| jbicha | duflu: you may want to check apport-symptoms which reports some audio bugs to 'alsa-base' | 01:18 |
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| jbicha | slightly outdated version is at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/apport/apport-symptoms/view/head:/symptoms/_audio_checks.py | 01:18 |
| duflu | jbicha, I was mindful of that, but after reviewing a couple thousand bugs really don't want to know right now. | 01:26 |
| duflu | Too painful | 01:26 |
| jbicha | no problem, the bugs will still be there :| | 01:33 |
| jbicha | that's a ridiculously large amount of work! | 01:34 |
| duflu | jbicha: If you get into a routine it's only days. But super monotonous | 01:39 |
| duflu | OK, weeks | 01:40 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 07:02 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks, ça va ? | 07:03 |
| didrocks | bonjour pitti, ça va, et toi ? | 07:04 |
| didrocks | (il fait chaud ici) | 07:04 |
| pitti | didrocks: ça va bien ! je savoure le printemps | 07:05 |
| didrocks | :) | 07:05 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh? pas ici, il y a du soleil et 20 degrees; je vais courier dans quelques instants | 07:05 |
| duflu | Morgen, bonjour, pitti, didrocks | 07:06 |
| pitti | hey duflu! | 07:06 |
| duflu | + seb128 | 07:06 |
| didrocks | pitti: aujourd'hui, ils prévoient 30 l'après-midi, il a fait jusqu'à 36 | 07:06 |
| didrocks | hey duflu, seb128! | 07:06 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:06 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks pitti duflu | 07:06 |
| duflu | Hi seb128 | 07:06 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128! | 07:07 |
| duflu | seb128: Would I need to be an admin to add a PPA here? https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth | 07:07 |
| didrocks | duflu: yeah, only admins can add PPAs to a team IIRC | 07:07 |
| seb128 | duflu, yes | 07:07 |
| didrocks | (you can then upload freely) | 07:07 |
| seb128 | I can create one for you if you want | 07:08 |
| seb128 | or set you as admin | 07:08 |
| seb128 | as you prefer | 07:08 |
| duflu | seb128: Yes please. Just called "bluez" with description BlueZ. Either way | 07:08 |
| seb128 | duflu, https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth/+archive/ubuntu/bluez | 07:09 |
| duflu | Ta | 07:09 |
| seb128 | yw | 07:10 |
| seb128 | being team owner is not enough to add a ppa, I had to add myself to the team as admin | 07:10 |
| seb128 | that's a bit stupid, if I can add admins I could as well create the ppa | 07:10 |
| duflu | Team owner sounds fancy | 07:11 |
| oSoMoN | good Friday desktoppers | 07:38 |
| didrocks | good Friday oSoMoN | 07:39 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 07:40 |
| Trevinho | Hey guys | 07:44 |
| Trevinho | Swapping my NH as per "weather reasons" 😅 | 07:45 |
| didrocks | Trevinhoooooo :) | 07:45 |
| Trevinho | http://www.cwb.gov.tw/V7e/prevent/fifows/index.htm? | 07:45 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: didrooooooks! | 07:46 |
| seb128 | hey oSoMoN, Trevinho | 07:46 |
| Laney | moin | 08:03 |
| willcooke | ahoy | 08:04 |
| didrocks | hey Laney, willcooke | 08:04 |
| seb128 | good morning u.k | 08:06 |
| seb128 | how is the island today? | 08:06 |
| flocculant | more and more isolated as the days go by :( | 08:06 |
| flocculant | but the weathers not too shabby ;) | 08:07 |
| jibel | I tried today's desktop iso and it boots to a black screen, no ubiquity-dm | 08:08 |
| seb128 | jibel, blame didrocks | 08:12 |
| seb128 | jibel, do ou have any log? | 08:13 |
| jibel | seb128, no, I cannot even switch to a console | 08:13 |
| jibel | I'll try to get some | 08:13 |
| seb128 | fun | 08:14 |
| duflu | Interesting. I have one laptop that can't start gnome-shell | 08:14 |
| willcooke | Laney, thank you for adding fwupd info to the news letter :) | 08:16 |
| jibel | the live session works, but it's unity7 and install ubuntu doesn't | 08:22 |
| jibel | didrocks, ^ | 08:23 |
| willcooke | duflu, hey, have you got a link handy for the SRU bug for A2DP? Want to put it in the news letter | 08:26 |
| * duflu looks | 08:27 | |
| * willcooke looks as well | 08:27 | |
| willcooke | urgh LP timeouts | 08:27 |
| duflu | willcooke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1582213 | 08:27 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1582213 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Xenial) "[xenial] Bluetooth device doesn't play any sound in A2DP mode unless set to HSP/HFP first" [High,In progress] | 08:27 |
| willcooke | thanks duflu | 08:28 |
| duflu | Although there are people saying the related PPA doesn't work, more people have said it does work | 08:28 |
| Laney | willcooke: np | 08:30 |
| duflu | willcooke: I think that's the one thing not in thr 17.10 board, so it's slower to find :) | 08:31 |
| willcooke | duflu, also I was being lazy | 08:31 |
| seb128 | jibel, can you log out from the live session and pick GNOME? | 08:35 |
| seb128 | well, log out, look if GNOME is proposed as a session on the greeter | 08:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks is out for exercice so he's probably not going to reply before a while | 08:36 |
| seb128 | Laney do you know if keeping unity on the iso was wanted or if the seed changes were just not complete/enough? | 08:36 |
| Laney | I would have expected it to drop | 08:37 |
| Laney | what's keeping it? | 08:37 |
| seb128 | I don't know, I just diffed the manifest between yesterday's iso and today's | 08:38 |
| seb128 | I'm currently downloading the iso, another 10min or so | 08:39 |
| seb128 | there is a few extra things on the iso but nothing dropped | 08:41 |
| Laney | thanks | 08:42 |
| seb128 | but the tasks thing is always confusing to me, maybe those didn't get refreshed | 08:42 |
| Laney | I wouldn't be super surprised if there's some depends keeping it on | 08:42 |
| jibel | seb128, I can but I'm immediately but the session dies immediately | 08:42 |
| seb128 | jibel, can you share the journal log after that? | 08:42 |
| seb128 | or unsure if there is a specific session log? | 08:43 |
| seb128 | it's weird that nothing dropped | 08:44 |
| seb128 | 1 min download | 08:44 |
| Laney | ummmmmmmmmmmm | 08:45 |
| Laney | ok I think I found one reason | 08:45 |
| Laney | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/view/head:/live-build/auto/config#L236 | 08:46 |
| seb128 | ah | 08:47 |
| seb128 | that would be one reason | 08:47 |
| * Laney is fixing another debhelper regression, sorry | 08:50 | |
| willcooke | duflu, reading that bug report, comment #10 sounds like he's installed the PA Testing PPA and tested, but that was last updated 8 weeks ago, so is it the case that he's not testing your new fixes? | 08:54 |
| andyrock | good morning desktoppers | 08:55 |
| willcooke | duflu, ignore. I read the full report | 08:55 |
| duflu | willcooke, same fixes just a different changelog. That's what I was referring to earlier though. More people say it helps than otherwise but the evidence of that is scattered between multiple bugs and the other Trello board | 08:56 |
| willcooke | :) | 08:56 |
| duflu | When you have an over-subscribed bug, you can't give all users veto | 08:57 |
| duflu | It's still a relatively fragile area so I recommend to people to log their own bugs for clarity | 08:58 |
| duflu | And will do so again when the SRU is done | 08:58 |
| willcooke | thanks duflu | 08:59 |
| duflu | Actually, probably fragile for years to come. The reason is you're dealing with weak radios and a huge number of different devices | 09:03 |
| duflu | There will always be someone with something that's not working | 09:03 |
| koza | hey desktop folks | 09:04 |
| duflu | Morning koza | 09:04 |
| seb128 | hey koza | 09:04 |
| koza | duflu, speaking of a2dp and pa :-) | 09:04 |
| koza | duflu, i have patches for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1283003 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1438510 that need review but now Im not sure if you have not addressed it already with one of your a2dp fix | 09:05 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1283003 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Xenial) "Bluetooth headset/speakers listed but not selectable in Sound settings" [High,In progress] | 09:05 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1438510 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Xenial) "[regression] Bluetooth audio no longer supports A2DP (stuck in HSP/HFP mode)" [High,In progress] | 09:05 |
| duflu | koza: More patches are great, but those one was listed as already fixed before I got here. I expect some people will still have very similar issues and will require additional bug reports. But I was aiming to release the original (mature) code unmodified before anything else | 09:07 |
| duflu | *but that one | 09:07 |
| duflu | No one said it was perfect, but it is two months mature | 09:08 |
| koza | oh, now i see, fixe released | 09:08 |
| jamesh | gnome-shell is a lot nicer to use with two monitors with workspaces-only-on-primary set to false | 09:09 |
| jamesh | although I can see how having it set to true is probably correct for a laptop plugged in to a projector | 09:09 |
| seb128 | bah | 09:18 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell screwed his "no gdm" patch | 09:18 |
| seb128 | jibel, didrocks, Laney, gnome-shell aborts on start on the daily due org.gnome.login-screen schemas not being installed | 09:18 |
| jibel | seb128, I filed bug 1695212 if you want to add more info | 09:19 |
| ubot5 | bug 1695212 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Desktop 20170602 - black screen on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695212 | 09:19 |
| seb128 | jibel, you can reassign to gnome-shell and assign to robert_ancell | 09:20 |
| duflu | seb128: What's the missing package? | 09:20 |
| jibel | sure | 09:20 |
| seb128 | duflu, libgdm1 | 09:21 |
| seb128 | duflu, due to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.24.2-0ubuntu5 | 09:21 |
| Laney | doh | 09:22 |
| duflu | seb128: Coool. You just fixed my laptop | 09:23 |
| seb128 | duflu, :-) | 09:23 |
| jamesh | okay. I've got builds of gnome-builder with my Snapcraft plugin in a PPA here: https://launchpad.net/~jamesh/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-builder-snap-plugin/+packages | 09:31 |
| seb128 | jamesh, nice, do you have some notes somewhere about what the plugin is doing/how it's working? | 09:39 |
| jamesh | seb128: I'm writing a post to the Snapcraft forum about it right now. | 09:40 |
| seb128 | excellent | 09:40 |
| jamesh | seb128: but the short answer is to click "Open..." and then select your snapcraft.yaml file, and then click "build" | 09:40 |
| seb128 | sounds like easy and as it should be | 09:41 |
| jamesh | seb128: that will run "snapcraft build" for you. There is an item in the hamburger menu to go the rest of the way to build a snap package, which will open the file manager pointing at it on success | 09:41 |
| jamesh | you'll get build output at the bottom of the IDE, as with other build systems. | 09:42 |
| seb128 | nice | 09:43 |
| seb128 | I'm going now for early lunch but I try that once I'm back in an hour :-) | 09:43 |
| * duflu -> dinner, weekend | 09:52 | |
| jamesh | duflu: going to the SOTA festival on Monday? | 09:53 |
| duflu | Not that I know of | 09:53 |
| duflu | What is that?... | 09:53 |
| jamesh | free music festival at Elizabeth Quay | 09:53 |
| duflu | Oh bugger me. Yes | 09:54 |
| jamesh | I enjoyed last year's one | 09:54 |
| duflu | jamesh: I saw Tired Lion a while back. Quite good too | 09:54 |
| duflu | But Karnivool... yes | 09:55 |
| jamesh | and Drapht and Gyroscope and Abbe May and Bob Evans and ... | 09:55 |
| didrocks | yeah, the manifest confirmed that unity is still in the iso (even if not from the metapackage): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/artful-desktop-amd64.manifest | 09:56 |
| didrocks | maybe pulled by a libunity or a gir, we will need to rdepends at some point | 09:56 |
| didrocks | ubuntu-session depends on unity-settings-daemon which depends on unity which brings the rest… | 10:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: here you go ^ | 10:04 |
| Laney | didrocks: It's livecd-rootfs (too?), I linked a line in the source that manually installs it | 10:10 |
| jamesh | seb128, willcooke: I've put some notes about the gnome-builder PPA here: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapcraft-plugin-for-gnome-builder/868 | 10:13 |
| willcooke | jamesh, merci | 10:18 |
| didrocks | Laney: oh, interesting | 10:22 |
| darkxst | hey desktoper's how is the GNOME transition going ? | 10:25 |
| Laney | jamesh: good work - are you going to propose it upstream? | 10:29 |
| jamesh | Laney: yes | 10:29 |
| Laney | didrocks: you want to look into that? | 10:29 |
| Laney | jamesh: ♥ | 10:29 |
| jamesh | Laney: there's no support for out of tree plugins, so it is the path of least resistance. | 10:30 |
| Laney | darkxst: we've turned off the motorway and now we're on the country road | 10:30 |
| Laney | bumpy | 10:30 |
| Laney | but I think I can see some tarmac in the distance | 10:30 |
| Laney | jamesh: yeah, don't blame him for not wanting to maintain a plugin API | 10:30 |
| jbicha | darkxst: gdm3 is not in main and we've got LP: #1695212 as fallout from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.24.2-0ubuntu5 | 10:32 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1695212 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "[Desktop 20170602] gnome-shell fails to start. Black screen on boot." [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695212 | 10:32 |
| didrocks | Laney: if you have time, be my guest :) | 10:52 |
| didrocks | Laney: I'm not even sure we need ubuntu-session, but they were some settings schemas in it that we may need to transition | 10:52 |
| Laney | umm, I was asking if you would do it :P | 10:52 |
| Laney | I actually don't see the depends from usd to unity | 10:52 |
| didrocks | Laney: oh, well, depends on the timeline, still working on the amazon stuff and I think the theming things for snap was more of a priority | 10:54 |
| didrocks | Laney: I won't be before next Tuesday (Monday is off in France) | 10:54 |
| didrocks | if we deprioritize the rest | 10:54 |
| didrocks | but yeah, if nobody wants to tackle this before, I can | 10:54 |
| willcooke | oki dokey - off for the afternoon. Have a good weekend all. o/ | 11:59 |
| Laney | laters | 12:00 |
| oSoMoN | have a good week-end everyone! | 15:43 |
| * didrocks is going off too, have a good one! | 15:47 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, you too | 15:47 |
| didrocks | happy Monday off seb128 :) | 15:47 |
| seb128 | k, enough for this week | 17:08 |
| Laney | me too | 17:08 |
| Laney | laters! | 17:08 |
| Laney | have a good weekend everyone | 17:08 |
| seb128 | have a nice w.e everyone | 17:09 |
| seb128 | enjoy Laney | 17:09 |
| seb128 | see you on tuesday, monday is off in France | 17:09 |
| Beret | hrm | 18:15 |
| Beret | today's daily doesn't work for me - I get an ubuntu splash and the sound of something starting but no screen refresh | 18:15 |
| Beret | anyone tried today's artful daily? | 18:15 |
| jbicha | Beret: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-June/004967.html LP: #1695212 | 18:16 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1695212 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "[Desktop 20170602] gnome-shell fails to start. Black screen on boot." [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695212 | 18:16 |
| Beret | jbicha, thanks | 18:17 |
| gQuigs | also Unity is still on the image? | 18:35 |
| jbicha | gQuigs: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/06/02/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t08:44 | 18:37 |
| gQuigs | jbicha: thanks! | 18:38 |
| rbasak | I just autoremoved and this made my Artful system unusable. | 18:40 |
| rbasak | I put the autoremoved packages back and this got me Unity back. | 18:40 |
| rbasak | Presumably this is related to the seed change, but I don't see this mentioned in Laney's announcemnet? | 18:41 |
| gQuigs | rbasak: what packages got autoremoved? | 18:41 |
| jbicha | ""We are aware of a bug in the daily ISOs which is causing GNOME Shell to fail to start" | 18:41 |
| rbasak | gQuigs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24751024/ | 18:42 |
| rbasak | jbicha: I dind't use a daily ISO. | 18:43 |
| rbasak | (well, I did, but not a recent one) | 18:43 |
| jbicha | rbasak: what desktop did you last log in as? | 18:43 |
| rbasak | The default. Presumably Unity. I've never changed it. | 18:43 |
| rbasak | After the autoremove (and reboot) I seemed to have Nautilus running but no window manager, with seemingly no ability to start a terminal. | 18:44 |
| jbicha | as a workaround, you can install libgdm1 and make sure you log in to GNOME | 18:44 |
| rbasak | I just put the packages back, and that seemed to work. | 18:44 |
| rbasak | I'm on vacation for a week now, and I'm running out of time to fix it, so I think I'll leave it as it is for now :-/ | 18:44 |
| jbicha | I'm still running zesty to better do SRU verification, maybe next week I'll switch to artful | 18:45 |
| gQuigs | this is my guess at the key package lost - unity-scopes-master-default | 18:46 |
| rbasak | Sure, though if Unity was unseeded, that is presumably deliberate. | 18:48 |
| rbasak | I don't understand what the intented plan is for the dist-upgrade/autoremove path. | 18:48 |
| rbasak | *intended | 18:48 |
| rbasak | Laney: ^ | 18:48 |
| jbicha | personally, I think Unity should be autoremoved | 18:49 |
| rbasak | Sure, but GNOME needs to be made to work first. | 18:49 |
| rbasak | Otherwise, IMHO, a revert is appropriate. | 18:49 |
| jbicha | why bring back Unity7? | 18:50 |
| jbicha | we're not even at Alpha 1 yet | 18:50 |
| rbasak | There are benefits to having developers actually use the development release. | 18:50 |
| rbasak | Please don't deliberately break the development release. Find a way to develop while keeping things rolling - for example by getting GNOME working before breaking Unity. | 18:51 |
| jbicha | we did not deliberately break the development release | 18:51 |
| rbasak | Sure, but deciding not to revert *is* deliberately breaking it when that happens. | 18:52 |
| jbicha | but this is tricky to solve today | 18:52 |
| rbasak | Not reverting changes the situation from accidental to deliberate. | 18:52 |
| jbicha | we only change default desktops every 6 years so this is a highly unusual situation | 18:53 |
| rbasak | So revert, ask ubuntu-devel@ for an exception, and then try again. | 18:54 |
| jbicha | I don't have upload rights for ubuntu-meta but you could probably go ahead and add the unity pkgs back to ubuntu-desktop | 18:54 |
| jbicha | and we can try again next week | 18:55 |
| rbasak | I don't really want to interfere (except by speaking) without others from the desktop team here :-/ | 18:55 |
| jbicha | kenvandine: do you want to weigh in? | 18:55 |
| rbasak | Also I can't stand by any change. I will need to disappear offline shortly. | 18:56 |
| jbicha | I'd like some other Desktop Team member to help with this decision! :) | 18:56 |
| * kenvandine reads back | 18:57 | |
| Beret | I consider the GNOME switch enough of a special case to push through with getting GNOME shell working rather than moving back to Unity7 | 18:57 |
| Beret | I understand, sympathize, and agree with having the development release always working | 18:58 |
| Beret | but this is not a usual course | 18:58 |
| jbicha | the bug is that gnome-shell needs gdm's schemas so the best fix is to tell gnome-shell not to do that but that's a bit complex | 18:59 |
| kenvandine | ugh | 18:59 |
| kenvandine | i thought robert had tested it without gdm installed | 18:59 |
| jbicha | unfortunately, he still had libgdm1 installed :( just not the gir pkg | 19:00 |
| kenvandine | it would be easy enough to add unity back in parallel for now | 19:00 |
| kenvandine | i'll do that | 19:00 |
| jbicha | thanks | 19:00 |
| rbasak | kenvandine: thanks. Don't forget an ubuntu-meta update please. | 19:01 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 19:02 |
| kenvandine | jbicha, should i add unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center back? | 19:02 |
| jbicha | yes, r_basak's proposal is that we want Unity to keep working until gnome-shell works | 19:03 |
| kenvandine | do they conflict at all ? | 19:03 |
| * kenvandine doesn't recall | 19:03 | |
| jbicha | not really, lots of people have both Unity and GNOME Shell installed | 19:04 |
| kenvandine | ok | 19:04 |
| kenvandine | just making sure | 19:04 |
| jbicha | I mean there's the -synaptics/-libinput problem but that's not been an issue for several months | 19:04 |
| jbicha | *that has been an issue | 19:05 |
| kenvandine | jbicha, i had just been testing the daily live image and noticed shell wasn't starting | 19:07 |
| jbicha | we may want to do a dh_migrations script to try to force the session switch from "Ubuntu" to "GNOME" before we drop Unity7 next time | 19:07 |
| kenvandine | was starting to debug it :) | 19:07 |
| kenvandine | this explains it | 19:07 |
| Beret | ype | 19:08 |
| kenvandine | jbicha, i committed the seed change, once it propagates i'll update ubuntu-meta | 19:08 |
| Beret | it's because libgdm1 isn't there | 19:08 |
| jbicha | kenvandine: I thought I heard you were going to be looking into migrations? | 19:08 |
| kenvandine | just when it comes time to deal with default extensions | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | i wasn't doing anything yet | 19:09 |
| jbicha | ok | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | but might need to do something sooner for this | 19:09 |
| jbicha | I don't think I've worked with dh_migrations before | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | didrocks did some stuff when migrating to unity years ago | 19:10 |
| jbicha | kenvandine: I don't think it needs to propogate; I think the Unity stuff is still in main: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.html | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | or maybe between old unity versions | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | jbicha, no, the seed change needs to be distributed to mirrors | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | takes 20 to 30 minutes | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | after commit it to bzr | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | then i need to refresh the meta packages | 19:11 |
| jbicha | I never had to wait after bzr pushing ubuntu-gnome's seed before running ./update for ubuntu-gnome-desktop | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | the wiki still says you need to | 19:12 |
| kenvandine | i'll wait just in case :) | 19:12 |
| jbicha | link? | 19:12 |
| kenvandine | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement | 19:12 |
| kenvandine | <snip> | 19:13 |
| kenvandine | If any of the ubuntu-meta, kubuntu-meta, edubuntu-meta, or xubuntu-meta source packages build a metapackage for the seed you changed, run the update script in the appropriate source package and upload it (after your changes have been effected in the seeds archive; you will need to wait about 20 minutes for these changes to propagate to the public mirror). | 19:13 |
| kenvandine | </snip> | 19:13 |
| jbicha | but last edited 3 years ago | 19:14 |
| kenvandine | true :) | 19:14 |
| jbicha | oh, didrocks *wrote* dh_migrations, session-migration so let's have him take care of it ;) | 19:21 |
| kenvandine | yes he did :) | 19:21 |
| kenvandine | jbicha, rbasak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/1.385 | 19:24 |
| rbasak | Thank you! | 20:05 |
| rbasak | autoremove no longer wants to remove stuff, so I think I'm unbroken. Thanks all. | 22:04 |
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