[01:18] <jbicha> duflu: you may want to check apport-symptoms which reports some audio bugs to 'alsa-base'
[01:18] <jbicha> slightly outdated version is at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/apport/apport-symptoms/view/head:/symptoms/_audio_checks.py
[01:26] <duflu> jbicha, I was mindful of that, but after reviewing a couple thousand bugs really don't want to know right now.
[01:26] <duflu> Too painful
[01:33] <jbicha> no problem, the bugs will still be there :|
[01:34] <jbicha> that's a ridiculously large amount of work!
[01:39] <duflu> jbicha: If you get into a routine it's only days. But super monotonous
[01:40] <duflu> OK, weeks
[07:02] <didrocks> good morning
[07:03] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[07:04] <didrocks> bonjour pitti, ça va, et toi ?
[07:04] <didrocks> (il fait chaud ici)
[07:05] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien ! je savoure le printemps
[07:05] <didrocks> :)
[07:05] <pitti> didrocks: oh? pas ici, il y a du soleil et 20 degrees; je vais courier dans quelques instants
[07:06] <duflu> Morgen, bonjour, pitti, didrocks
[07:06] <pitti> hey duflu!
[07:06] <duflu> + seb128
[07:06] <didrocks> pitti: aujourd'hui, ils prévoient 30 l'après-midi, il a fait jusqu'à 36
[07:06] <didrocks> hey duflu, seb128!
[07:06] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:06] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti duflu
[07:06] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:07] <pitti> bonjour seb128!
[07:07] <duflu> seb128: Would I need to be an admin to add a PPA here? https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth
[07:07] <didrocks> duflu: yeah, only admins can add PPAs to a team IIRC
[07:07] <seb128> duflu, yes
[07:07] <didrocks> (you can then upload freely)
[07:08] <seb128> I can create one for you if you want
[07:08] <seb128> or set you as admin
[07:08] <seb128> as you prefer
[07:08] <duflu> seb128: Yes please. Just called "bluez" with description BlueZ. Either way
[07:09] <seb128> duflu, https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth/+archive/ubuntu/bluez
[07:09] <duflu> Ta
[07:10] <seb128> yw
[07:10] <seb128> being team owner is not enough to add a ppa, I had to add myself to the team as admin
[07:10] <seb128> that's a bit stupid, if I can add admins I could as well create the ppa
[07:11] <duflu> Team owner sounds fancy
[07:38] <oSoMoN> good Friday desktoppers
[07:39] <didrocks> good Friday oSoMoN
[07:40] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:44] <Trevinho> Hey guys
[07:45] <Trevinho> Swapping my NH as per "weather reasons" 😅
[07:45] <didrocks> Trevinhoooooo :)
[07:45] <Trevinho> http://www.cwb.gov.tw/V7e/prevent/fifows/index.htm?
[07:46] <Trevinho> didrocks: didrooooooks!
[07:46] <seb128> hey oSoMoN, Trevinho
[08:03] <Laney> moin
[08:04] <willcooke> ahoy
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke
[08:06] <seb128> good morning u.k
[08:06] <seb128> how is the island today?
[08:06] <flocculant> more and more isolated as the days go by :(
[08:07] <flocculant> but the weathers not too shabby ;)
[08:08] <jibel> I tried today's desktop iso and it boots to a black screen, no ubiquity-dm
[08:12] <seb128> jibel, blame didrocks
[08:13] <seb128> jibel, do ou have any log?
[08:13] <jibel> seb128, no, I cannot even switch to a console
[08:13] <jibel> I'll try to get some
[08:14] <seb128> fun
[08:14] <duflu> Interesting. I have one laptop that can't start gnome-shell
[08:16] <willcooke> Laney, thank you for adding fwupd info to the news letter :)
[08:22] <jibel> the live session works, but it's unity7 and install ubuntu doesn't
[08:23] <jibel> didrocks, ^
[08:26] <willcooke> duflu, hey, have you got a link handy for the SRU bug for A2DP?  Want to put it in the news letter
[08:27]  * duflu looks
[08:27]  * willcooke looks as well
[08:27] <willcooke> urgh LP timeouts
[08:27] <duflu> willcooke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1582213
[08:28] <willcooke> thanks duflu
[08:28] <duflu> Although there are people saying the related PPA doesn't work, more people have said it does work
[08:30] <Laney> willcooke: np
[08:31] <duflu> willcooke: I think that's the one thing not in thr 17.10 board, so it's slower to find :)
[08:31] <willcooke> duflu, also I was being lazy
[08:35] <seb128> jibel, can you log out from the live session and pick GNOME?
[08:35] <seb128> well, log out, look if GNOME is proposed as a session on the greeter
[08:36] <seb128> didrocks is out for exercice so he's probably not going to reply before a while
[08:36] <seb128> Laney do you know if keeping unity on the iso was wanted or if the seed changes were just not complete/enough?
[08:37] <Laney> I would have expected it to drop
[08:37] <Laney> what's keeping it?
[08:38] <seb128> I don't know, I just diffed the manifest between yesterday's iso and today's
[08:39] <seb128> I'm currently downloading the iso, another 10min or so
[08:41] <seb128> there is a few extra things on the iso but nothing dropped
[08:42] <Laney> thanks
[08:42] <seb128> but the tasks thing is always confusing to me, maybe those didn't get refreshed
[08:42] <Laney> I wouldn't be super surprised if there's some depends keeping it on
[08:42] <jibel> seb128, I can but I'm immediately but the session dies immediately
[08:42] <seb128> jibel, can you share the journal log after that?
[08:43] <seb128> or unsure if there is a specific session log?
[08:44] <seb128> it's weird that nothing dropped
[08:44] <seb128> 1 min download
[08:45] <Laney> ummmmmmmmmmmm
[08:45] <Laney> ok I think I found one reason
[08:46] <Laney> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/view/head:/live-build/auto/config#L236
[08:47] <seb128> ah
[08:47] <seb128> that would be one reason
[08:50]  * Laney is fixing another debhelper regression, sorry
[08:54] <willcooke> duflu, reading that bug report, comment #10 sounds like he's installed the PA Testing PPA and tested, but that was last updated 8 weeks ago, so is it the case that he's not testing your new fixes?
[08:55] <andyrock> good morning desktoppers
[08:55] <willcooke> duflu, ignore.  I read the full report
[08:56] <duflu> willcooke, same fixes just a different changelog. That's what I was referring to earlier though. More people say it helps than otherwise but the evidence of that is scattered between multiple bugs and the other Trello board
[08:56] <willcooke> :)
[08:57] <duflu> When you have an over-subscribed bug, you can't give all users veto
[08:58] <duflu> It's still a relatively fragile area so I recommend to people to log their own bugs for clarity
[08:58] <duflu> And will do so again when the SRU is done
[08:59] <willcooke> thanks duflu
[09:03] <duflu> Actually, probably fragile for years to come. The reason is you're dealing with weak radios and a huge number of different devices
[09:03] <duflu> There will always be someone with something that's not working
[09:04] <koza> hey desktop folks
[09:04] <duflu> Morning koza
[09:04] <seb128> hey koza
[09:04] <koza> duflu, speaking of a2dp and pa :-)
[09:05] <koza> duflu, i have patches for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1283003 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1438510 that need review but now Im not sure if you have not addressed it already with one of your a2dp fix
[09:07] <duflu> koza: More patches are great, but those one was listed as already fixed before I got here. I expect some people will still have very similar issues and will require additional bug reports. But I was aiming to release the original (mature) code unmodified before anything else
[09:07] <duflu> *but that one
[09:08] <duflu> No one said it was perfect, but it is two months mature
[09:08] <koza> oh, now i see, fixe released
[09:09] <jamesh> gnome-shell is a lot nicer to use with two monitors with workspaces-only-on-primary set to false
[09:09] <jamesh> although I can see how having it set to true is probably correct for a laptop plugged in to a projector
[09:18] <seb128> bah
[09:18] <seb128> robert_ancell screwed his "no gdm" patch
[09:18] <seb128> jibel, didrocks, Laney, gnome-shell aborts on start on the daily due org.gnome.login-screen schemas not being installed
[09:19] <jibel> seb128, I filed bug 1695212 if you want to add more info
[09:20] <seb128> jibel, you can reassign to gnome-shell and assign to robert_ancell
[09:20] <duflu> seb128: What's the missing package?
[09:20] <jibel> sure
[09:21] <seb128> duflu, libgdm1
[09:21] <seb128> duflu, due to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.24.2-0ubuntu5
[09:22] <Laney> doh
[09:23] <duflu> seb128: Coool. You just fixed my laptop
[09:23] <seb128> duflu, :-)
[09:31] <jamesh> okay.  I've got builds of gnome-builder with my Snapcraft plugin in a PPA here: https://launchpad.net/~jamesh/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-builder-snap-plugin/+packages
[09:39] <seb128> jamesh, nice, do you have some notes somewhere about what the plugin is doing/how it's working?
[09:40] <jamesh> seb128: I'm writing a post to the Snapcraft forum about it right now.
[09:40] <seb128> excellent
[09:40] <jamesh> seb128: but the short answer is to click "Open..." and then select your snapcraft.yaml file, and then click "build"
[09:41] <seb128> sounds like easy and as it should be
[09:41] <jamesh> seb128: that will run "snapcraft build" for you.  There is an item in the hamburger menu to go the rest of the way to build a snap package, which will open the file manager pointing at it on success
[09:42] <jamesh> you'll get build output at the bottom of the IDE, as with other build systems.
[09:43] <seb128> nice
[09:43] <seb128> I'm going now for early lunch but I try that once I'm back in an hour :-)
[09:52]  * duflu -> dinner, weekend
[09:53] <jamesh> duflu: going to the SOTA festival on Monday?
[09:53] <duflu> Not that I know of
[09:53] <duflu> What is that?...
[09:53] <jamesh> free music festival at Elizabeth Quay
[09:54] <duflu> Oh bugger me. Yes
[09:54] <jamesh> I enjoyed last year's one
[09:54] <duflu> jamesh: I saw Tired Lion a while back. Quite good too
[09:55] <duflu> But Karnivool... yes
[09:55] <jamesh> and Drapht and Gyroscope and Abbe May and Bob Evans and ...
[09:56] <didrocks> yeah, the manifest confirmed that unity is still in the iso (even if not from the metapackage): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/artful-desktop-amd64.manifest
[09:56] <didrocks> maybe pulled by a libunity or a gir, we will need to rdepends at some point
[10:03] <didrocks> ubuntu-session depends on unity-settings-daemon which depends on unity which brings the rest…
[10:04] <didrocks> seb128: here you go ^
[10:10] <Laney> didrocks: It's livecd-rootfs (too?), I linked a line in the source that manually installs it
[10:13] <jamesh> seb128, willcooke: I've put some notes about the gnome-builder PPA here: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapcraft-plugin-for-gnome-builder/868
[10:18] <willcooke> jamesh, merci
[10:22] <didrocks> Laney: oh, interesting
[10:25] <darkxst> hey desktoper's how is the GNOME transition going ?
[10:29] <Laney> jamesh: good work - are you going to propose it upstream?
[10:29] <jamesh> Laney: yes
[10:29] <Laney> didrocks: you want to look into that?
[10:29] <Laney> jamesh: ♥
[10:30] <jamesh> Laney: there's no support for out of tree plugins, so it is the path of least resistance.
[10:30] <Laney> darkxst: we've turned off the motorway and now we're on the country road
[10:30] <Laney> bumpy
[10:30] <Laney> but I think I can see some tarmac in the distance
[10:30] <Laney> jamesh: yeah, don't blame him for not wanting to maintain a plugin API
[10:32] <jbicha> darkxst: gdm3 is not in main and we've got LP: #1695212 as fallout from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.24.2-0ubuntu5
[10:52] <didrocks> Laney: if you have time, be my guest :)
[10:52] <didrocks> Laney: I'm not even sure we need ubuntu-session, but they were some settings schemas in it that we may need to transition
[10:52] <Laney> umm, I was asking if you would do it :P
[10:52] <Laney> I actually don't see the depends from usd to unity
[10:54] <didrocks> Laney: oh, well, depends on the timeline, still working on the amazon stuff and I think the theming things for snap was more of a priority
[10:54] <didrocks> Laney: I won't be before next Tuesday (Monday is off in France)
[10:54] <didrocks> if we deprioritize the rest
[10:54] <didrocks> but yeah, if nobody wants to tackle this before, I can
[11:59] <willcooke> oki dokey - off for the afternoon.  Have a good weekend all. o/
[12:00] <Laney> laters
[15:43] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone!
[15:47]  * didrocks is going off too, have a good one!
[15:47] <seb128> didrocks, you too
[15:47] <didrocks> happy Monday off seb128 :)
[17:08] <seb128> k, enough for this week
[17:08] <Laney> me too
[17:08] <Laney> laters!
[17:08] <Laney> have a good weekend everyone
[17:09] <seb128> have a nice w.e everyone
[17:09] <seb128> enjoy Laney
[17:09] <seb128> see you on tuesday, monday is off in France
[18:15] <Beret> hrm
[18:15] <Beret> today's daily doesn't work for me - I get an ubuntu splash and the sound of something starting but no screen refresh
[18:15] <Beret> anyone tried today's artful daily?
[18:16] <jbicha> Beret: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-June/004967.html LP: #1695212
[18:17] <Beret> jbicha, thanks
[18:35] <gQuigs> also Unity is still on the image?
[18:37] <jbicha> gQuigs: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/06/02/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t08:44
[18:38] <gQuigs> jbicha: thanks!
[18:40] <rbasak> I just autoremoved and this made my Artful system unusable.
[18:40] <rbasak> I put the autoremoved packages back and this got me Unity back.
[18:41] <rbasak> Presumably this is related to the seed change, but I don't see this mentioned in Laney's announcemnet?
[18:41] <gQuigs> rbasak: what packages got autoremoved?
[18:41] <jbicha> ""We are aware of a bug in the daily ISOs which is causing GNOME Shell to fail to start"
[18:42] <rbasak> gQuigs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24751024/
[18:43] <rbasak> jbicha: I dind't use a daily ISO.
[18:43] <rbasak> (well, I did, but not a recent one)
[18:43] <jbicha> rbasak: what desktop did you last log in as?
[18:43] <rbasak> The default. Presumably Unity. I've never changed it.
[18:44] <rbasak> After the autoremove (and reboot) I seemed to have Nautilus running but no window manager, with seemingly no ability to start a terminal.
[18:44] <jbicha> as a workaround, you can install libgdm1 and make sure you log in to GNOME
[18:44] <rbasak> I just put the packages back, and that seemed to work.
[18:44] <rbasak> I'm on vacation for a week now, and I'm running out of time to fix it, so I think I'll leave it as it is for now :-/
[18:45] <jbicha> I'm still running zesty to better do SRU verification, maybe next week I'll switch to artful
[18:46] <gQuigs> this is my guess at the key package lost - unity-scopes-master-default
[18:48] <rbasak> Sure, though if Unity was unseeded, that is presumably deliberate.
[18:48] <rbasak> I don't understand what the intented plan is for the dist-upgrade/autoremove path.
[18:48] <rbasak> *intended
[18:48] <rbasak> Laney: ^
[18:49] <jbicha> personally, I think Unity should be autoremoved
[18:49] <rbasak> Sure, but GNOME needs to be made to work first.
[18:49] <rbasak> Otherwise, IMHO, a revert is appropriate.
[18:50] <jbicha> why bring back Unity7?
[18:50] <jbicha> we're not even at Alpha 1 yet
[18:50] <rbasak> There are benefits to having developers actually use the development release.
[18:51] <rbasak> Please don't deliberately break the development release. Find a way to develop while keeping things rolling - for example by getting GNOME working before breaking Unity.
[18:51] <jbicha> we did not deliberately break the development release
[18:52] <rbasak> Sure, but deciding not to revert *is* deliberately breaking it when that happens.
[18:52] <jbicha> but this is tricky to solve today
[18:52] <rbasak> Not reverting changes the situation from accidental to deliberate.
[18:53] <jbicha> we only change default desktops every 6 years so this is a highly unusual situation
[18:54] <rbasak> So revert, ask ubuntu-devel@ for an exception, and then try again.
[18:54] <jbicha> I don't have upload rights for ubuntu-meta but you could probably go ahead and add the unity pkgs back to ubuntu-desktop
[18:55] <jbicha> and we can try again next week
[18:55] <rbasak> I don't really want to interfere (except by speaking) without others from the desktop team here :-/
[18:55] <jbicha> kenvandine: do you want to weigh in?
[18:56] <rbasak> Also I can't stand by any change. I will need to disappear offline shortly.
[18:56] <jbicha> I'd like some other Desktop Team member to help with this decision! :)
[18:57]  * kenvandine reads back
[18:57] <Beret> I consider the GNOME switch enough of a special case to push through with getting GNOME shell working rather than moving back to Unity7
[18:58] <Beret> I understand, sympathize, and agree with having the development release always working
[18:58] <Beret> but this is not a usual course
[18:59] <jbicha> the bug is that gnome-shell needs gdm's schemas so the best fix is to tell gnome-shell not to do that but that's a bit complex
[18:59] <kenvandine> ugh
[18:59] <kenvandine> i thought robert had tested it without gdm installed
[19:00] <jbicha> unfortunately, he still had libgdm1 installed :( just not the gir pkg
[19:00] <kenvandine> it would be easy enough to add unity back in parallel for now
[19:00] <kenvandine> i'll do that
[19:00] <jbicha> thanks
[19:01] <rbasak> kenvandine: thanks. Don't forget an ubuntu-meta update please.
[19:02] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:02] <kenvandine> jbicha, should i add unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center back?
[19:03] <jbicha> yes, r_basak's proposal is that we want Unity to keep working until gnome-shell works
[19:03] <kenvandine> do they conflict at all ?
[19:03]  * kenvandine doesn't recall
[19:04] <jbicha> not really, lots of people have both Unity and GNOME Shell installed
[19:04] <kenvandine> ok
[19:04] <kenvandine> just making sure
[19:04] <jbicha> I mean there's the -synaptics/-libinput problem but that's not been an issue for several months
[19:05] <jbicha> *that has been an issue
[19:07] <kenvandine> jbicha, i had just been testing the daily live image and noticed shell wasn't starting
[19:07] <jbicha> we may want to do a dh_migrations script to try to force the session switch from "Ubuntu" to "GNOME" before we drop Unity7 next time
[19:07] <kenvandine> was starting to debug it :)
[19:07] <kenvandine> this explains it
[19:08] <Beret> ype
[19:08] <kenvandine> jbicha, i committed the seed change, once it propagates i'll update ubuntu-meta
[19:08] <Beret> it's because libgdm1 isn't there
[19:08] <jbicha> kenvandine: I thought I heard you were going to be looking into migrations?
[19:09] <kenvandine> just when it comes time to deal with default extensions
[19:09] <kenvandine> i wasn't doing anything yet
[19:09] <jbicha> ok
[19:09] <kenvandine> but might need to do something sooner for this
[19:09] <jbicha> I don't think I've worked with dh_migrations before
[19:10] <kenvandine> didrocks did some stuff when migrating to unity years ago
[19:10] <jbicha> kenvandine: I don't think it needs to propogate; I think the Unity stuff is still in main: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.html
[19:10] <kenvandine> or maybe between old unity versions
[19:10] <kenvandine> jbicha, no, the seed change needs to be distributed to mirrors
[19:10] <kenvandine> takes 20 to 30 minutes
[19:10] <kenvandine> after commit it to bzr
[19:11] <kenvandine> then i need to refresh the meta packages
[19:11] <jbicha> I never had to wait after bzr pushing ubuntu-gnome's seed before running ./update for ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[19:12] <kenvandine> the wiki still says you need to
[19:12] <kenvandine> i'll wait just in case :)
[19:12] <jbicha> link?
[19:12] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
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[19:13] <kenvandine> If any of the ubuntu-meta, kubuntu-meta, edubuntu-meta, or xubuntu-meta source packages build a metapackage for the seed you changed, run the update script in the appropriate source package and upload it (after your changes have been effected in the seeds archive; you will need to wait about 20 minutes for these changes to propagate to the public mirror).
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[19:14] <jbicha> but last edited 3 years ago
[19:14] <kenvandine> true :)
[19:21] <jbicha> oh, didrocks *wrote* dh_migrations, session-migration so let's have him take care of it ;)
[19:21] <kenvandine> yes he did :)
[19:24] <kenvandine> jbicha, rbasak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/1.385
[20:05] <rbasak> Thank you!
[22:04] <rbasak> autoremove no longer wants to remove stuff, so I think I'm unbroken. Thanks all.