[00:02] <Colombo> Hi, I am trying to give access to folder in my home folder to other users, but it didn't work.
[00:03] <Colombo> I created a new group
[00:03] <Colombo> assigned both users to said group and change the folder permission to group permission
[00:03] <Colombo> but users can't still access said folder, even the symlink I created is not accessible
[00:03] <Colombo> why I can access to folder and symlink.
[00:04] <Colombo> Is it because my home folder does not have read permission for this group and thus they can't access that folder?
[00:05] <Colombo> i.e., I did this https://askubuntu.com/questions/573138/want-to-share-folders-with-another-user-in-ubuntu-14-04
[00:12] <IntelCore> you want share /home
[00:12] <IntelCore> which is.. not ideal
[00:13] <Colombo> I want to share home/folder
[00:13] <IntelCore> Colombo, I know two ways to share files
[00:14] <Colombo> samba
[00:14] <Colombo> but samba is often buggy
[00:14] <IntelCore> If they are not in the same pc there are more advanced things to do
[00:14] <Colombo> they are on the same PC, on the same HD
[00:14] <Colombo> even on the same partition
[00:15] <IntelCore> well.. hmm
[00:15] <Colombo> so should I create a new folder in folder where are user folders
[00:15] <Colombo> i.e., home/user1, home/user2, home/sharedfolder?
[00:15] <Colombo> That could solve some issues
[00:16] <IntelCore> nFs shares.. possibly LDAP use
[00:17] <IntelCore> it is over networking, but idk if it work local machine
[00:19] <IntelCore> Colombo, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1785758
[00:21] <IntelCore> Colombo, that's prob not helping your question
[00:21] <Colombo> IntelCore: I was about to write it:)
[00:22] <IntelCore> colints,  http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/02/share-a-folder-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[00:23] <IntelCore> this for 14.04
[00:23] <Colombo> IntelCore: thats Samba, I would rather not used Samba, Samba seems to be really buggy
[00:24] <Colombo> when I was sharing between my notebook and desktop, setting up SSH server on desktop is easier than solving all the issues with samba
[00:25] <IntelCore> yea
[00:26] <IntelCore> Doesn't a guest get a desktop and full-apps to use?
[00:27] <IntelCore> Colombo, so you perscribe permissions for their use
[00:28] <IntelCore> They get their usr directory
[00:28] <Colombo> IntelCore: Yes, they get their home directory
[00:28] <Colombo> IntelCore: I am just trying to make my movie folder accessible to said user
[00:28] <IntelCore> so can the app/ files be put into a share directory?
[00:29] <Colombo> IntelCore: yes?
[00:29] <IntelCore> Yes
[00:29] <Colombo> IntelCore: I think that I will just give my GF my password, this seems to be the easiest solution. But I hoped for something better.
[00:29] <IntelCore> mp3, video, photos docs
[00:30] <Colombo> IntelCore: I hoped that there could be more... systematic solution, i.e., making folder actually shared by granting permission
[00:30] <Colombo> I thought that this shouldn't be problem on Linux, I thought that linux as multi-user system would be fine with that.
[00:30] <IntelCore> You yourself might have a super user single sign-on. also a sudo signon, and maybe a guest sign-on
[00:31] <IntelCore> sharing them video is easy
[00:31] <IntelCore> take a while to copy to a share directory
[00:32] <Colombo> thats why I wanted to just give rights, avoiding all the copy thing and just symlink
[00:32] <IntelCore> then u set permissions.. if so
[00:32] <IntelCore> gah.. idk if windo works that way either
[00:33] <IntelCore> i'fink, in that.. can share root
[00:33] <IntelCore> ver dangerous
[00:33] <bazhang> IntelCore, what is dangerous
[00:34] <IntelCore> trying share /home, or root
[00:34] <Colombo> home/user/specific_folder
[00:34] <Colombo> I gave permission to specific folder
[00:34] <Colombo> created new group, put both users into said group
[00:35] <Colombo> changed ownership of folder and all subfolders to that group
[00:35] <Colombo> user2 still can't access that folder even through created symlink
[00:35] <Colombo> it has nothing to do with windows
[00:35] <IntelCore> bazhang, And I just said move/copy video to a shared
[00:36] <bazhang> IntelCore, how is that dangerous, having a shared folder
[00:37] <IntelCore> no no.. share /root.. especialy windo roots c:
[00:37] <bazhang> IntelCore, keep the nonsense out of here please
[00:37] <IntelCore> well that is.. danger
[00:38] <bazhang> IntelCore, I will not ask you again
[00:38] <IntelCore> ?
[00:38] <bazhang> IntelCore, windows c: has nothing to do with ubuntu, dont even need to ever mention it here
[00:41] <IntelCore> yah know.. I have successfully helped others that visit. I don't think I will no more.  And, I'll find my own way..
[00:43] <bjrohan> I have just shrunk my hdd partition, and then installed Kali linux on that partition. How do I now update GRUB to access that partition?
[01:05] <joules> hi, where to get python 2.7.13?
[01:06] <zacky83> Hi everybody,  I have a ubuntu server 16.04 . it works , but whenever I remove the PCI graphic card , it does not work anymore , I am unable to access it via SSH
[01:06] <joules> zacky83: pc wont boot?
[01:07] <zacky83> joules pc will boot but  network light is off
[01:07] <joules> please check your bios configuration
[01:07] <zacky83> I wish I could start ubuntu server without any graphic card
[01:07] <joules> you can the OS doesn't care.
[01:07] <zacky83> joules what should I do in the BIOS ?
[01:09] <joules> check the MB manual. for "Halt on ..." or set the primary graphics card to onboard OR select a legacy bios boot mode.
[01:09] <zacky83> I already switched to onboard graphics
[01:09] <zacky83> what should I change ibn Halt on ?
[01:10] <joules> this really isn't a ubuntu related question.
[01:10] <joules> check ##hardware
[01:10] <joules> but if you are doing something funky with pci bus binds/unbinds!
[01:11] <joules> ya im psychic
[01:12] <zacky83> joules tell me what to do
[01:12] <joules> you unbind the pci bus where the ethernet nic is on!
[01:12] <joules> forget it.
[01:12] <zacky83> joules , how can I do this ?
[01:12] <GWM> Hi I got a Lenovo Y700 laptop that currently have 2 Windows partitions in GPT and installed in UEFI, SecureBoot is disabled, can I simply strip a part of the SSD and install an ubuntu variant on it without any issues?
[01:13] <GWM> Data loss of original windows partitions is unacceptable in mysetup and they must remain with all data intact
[01:13] <GWM> Simply want to dual boot and let GRUB or whatever bootloader is used these days
[01:13] <joules> zacky83: omg! own up to EXACTLY what you are doing.
[01:14] <joules> you cannot unbind the pci bus for your video card and expect other devices on that bus stop working.
[01:14] <GWM> I haven't had any experience with linux in the past 7 years or so on laptops with GPT and UEFI, last I used Linux I simply had BIOS
[01:14]  * joules applies for the IRC psychic award of the week.
[01:14] <zacky83> joules should I try to activate legacy bios boot mode
[01:15] <joules> zacky83: tell me what you are trying to do.
[01:15] <zacky83> joules .   my ubuntu server only works if I plug the PCI graphic card
[01:16] <joules> you have onboard graphics.
[01:16] <joules> done.
[01:16] <zacky83> if I unplug it , I can not access the PC with ssh because the network seems to be off
[01:16] <joules> how are you unpluging it.
[01:16] <GWM> I apologize, am I registered and can people see what I type? NickServe says I am logged in  but I got a msg from it saying I need to re-join after identifying
[01:16] <zacky83> I remove the PCI card once the ubuntu server is off
[01:16] <joules> GWM: #freenode
[01:17] <joules> zacky83: so attach a monitor to the onboard graphics.
[01:17] <GWM> So you can see what I type, which means nickserve have me logged in, thx
[01:17] <joules> =d
[01:17] <zacky83> joules , there is no onboard graphics
[01:17] <joules> OMFG
[01:18] <Drone4four> i borked my Apache vhost configuration for 3 tiny websites I administer.  i'm starting over. so i backed up my old /etc/apache2/.  How do I repopulate my default configuration files? I tried uninstalling and reinstalling apache with apt, but 000-default.conf is still not present inside /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[01:18] <Drone4four> how do i regen all those key files?
[01:18] <joules> Drone4four: hmm reinstall?
[01:18] <Drone4four> joules, i already did that, as i said
[01:18] <Drone4four> using apt
[01:18] <Drone4four> sudo apt-get remove apache2*
[01:19] <joules> Drone4four: apt-get install --reinstall
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[01:19] <Drone4four> thanks, joules. i'll try that now
[01:19] <zacky83> joules , now  I replugged the PCI  , I am in the BIOS : boot device is UEFI and LEGACY OPROM
[01:19] <GWM> Have you checked /etc/apache2/sites-available/default?
[01:20] <joules> Drone4four: I would backup /etc/apache2 and apt-get purge.
[01:21] <GWM> Oh well, I guess Linux UEFI/GPT is still something of voodoo
[01:21] <GWM> also aren't there files for apache in /etc/default?
[01:21] <zacky83> joules , I am completely lost
[01:24] <zacky83> but the NIC is not on the graphic card .... I can not understand
[01:24] <Drone4four> joules, that worked
[01:24] <Drone4four> thanks, Friend
[01:25] <joules> zacky83: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[01:28] <GWM> Did Nickserv at last accept me?
[01:28] <zacky83> joules , I don't know what to do to make ubunut server work without the pci card
[01:42] <GWM> Hi, anyone know anything about GPT/UEFI and if you can install ubuntu on existing SSD with 2 Windows partitions in GPT/UEFI, and not lose any existing Windows data? This might be a stupid question but last I used Linux on the desktop this was problematic, and I mostly use Linux for servers these days
[01:42] <GWM> Secureboot is disabled
[01:43] <bumblefuzz> when I try to set up a new device for bluetooth, ubuntu says there's no adapters found
[01:43] <thewillo> How can I make it so when I plug in a drive, it's accessible to all users not just the currently logged in one?
[01:43] <bumblefuzz> why does ubuntu not see my bluetooth adapter
[01:44] <thewillo> bumblefuzz, google search your bluetooth adapters model number + your ubuntu version. You'll find your answer, and probably a solution
[01:45] <bumblefuzz> how do I know what bluetooth adapter I have?
[01:46] <thewillo> depends on how it's connected to your motherboard
[01:47] <LjL> GWM, i've done that successfully, something like gparted can shrink one window partition, and ubuntu normally works fine from UEFI and a GPT partition
[01:47] <thewillo> if it's USB, you can use 'sudo lsusb -v'
[01:47] <irisl> Bumblefuzz, is it integrated or usb?
[01:47] <grazfather> hey guys, I am running 16.04 in a headless vm on vbox, but i need a gui for now. i have installed what i need and get to the login screen, but there are no users visible (I can only log in as guest). How do I make it so that my user 'vagrant' shows up?
[01:47] <thewillo> if it's PCI, lspci -v
[01:48] <bumblefuzz> integrated
[01:48] <GWM> I have W10 so I can just remove as much as I need from one partition and free it up
[01:48] <irisl> thewillo answer is correct
[01:48] <GWM> You've answered my question, thanks :)
[01:49] <GWM> Tomorrow I install Kubuntu, and hope my data isn't lost!
[01:49] <LjL> GWM, well afterwards the partition will still have to be shrunk using something like gparted anyway, just freeing space won't do the trick (unless the ubuntu installer can shrink the partition itself, i haven't actually installed *ubuntu* in a while)
[01:49] <thewillo> data lost? how is the data you are wanting to keep stored?
[01:49] <bumblefuzz> I don't know what I'm seeing
[01:49] <thewillo> personally, I use a different partition for /home, and another drive for media/important file storage
[01:50] <irisl> Pastebin, bumblefuzz
[01:50] <GWM> I mean Kubuntu would go on a third parition, and then preferably /home and /boot and on separate partitions as well, thank god for GPT allowing more than 4 partition tables
[01:50] <thewillo> GPT is good:D
[01:51] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24743383/
[01:51] <akik> GWM: mbr allows for more than 4 partitions in a partition table if that's what you meant
[01:51] <GWM> Last I installed Linux on dual boot (2009ish?) it was a paaaaaaaaain with MBR and enough partitions
[01:52] <GWM> oops, damn lenovo shortcuts
[01:52] <thewillo> akik is right... You can install windows(if you want it) and /boot as primary, then install linux to your extended partition
[01:52] <GWM> who makes a button to close current window and put it next to f5?
[01:52] <GWM> That's right, the geniuouses over at Lenovo
[01:52] <thewillo> GWM, better than acer
[01:52] <LjL> GWM, GPT can actually be easier if you don't have weird UEFI setups. i also suggest you check out the Refind bootloader. Ubuntu will just install GRUB by default like on BIOS systems, but Refind can start Linux as an EFI app directly and it's pretty cool
[01:53] <GWM> I have UEFI
[01:53] <GWM> Windows is installed as UEFI
[01:53] <LjL> GWM, yes, i know, or you wouldn't be using GPT
[01:53] <LjL> i mean literally UEFI setups that are *weird*
[01:53] <thewillo> what's the problem with UEFI GWM?
[01:53] <LjL> like for instance the computer i'm typing on right now has a 64bit processor but the UEFI is 32bit, and Ubuntu used to be pretty unhappy about that
[01:53] <GWM> Or well, it reports EFI in C:\Windows\Panther\setupact.log
[01:54] <GWM> I'm afraid I can't trust Lenovo on much, so why would UEFI be different?
[01:54] <GWM> thewillo: Nothing hopefully, I just have PTSD from 2009-2010 and Linux on desktops
[01:54] <thewillo> oh
[01:55] <LjL> GWM, it'll probably be alright, my computer is a bit special as it's one of those inexpensive half-tablet half-laptop things
[01:55] <GWM> I pretty much use Linux only for servers but now I've decided to try Kubuntu (or maybe kde-neon)
[01:55] <thewillo> Ubuntu supports UEFI fully
[01:55] <GWM> Can secureboot be enabled?
[01:55] <thewillo> My laptop though, does not comply with UEFI standards, and the only way to get linux to boot, is to have dual-boot enabled and tell WINDOWS not UEFI to look for grub
[01:55] <GWM> (Does it matter?)
[01:55] <bumblefuzz> anyone?
[01:56] <thewillo> Ubuntu can boot with secureboot
[01:56] <thewillo> but just... turn it off
[01:56] <GWM> It is off
[01:56] <irisl> I like kde, but God does it hog resourses
[01:56] <LjL> (at least until Microsoft invalidates the certificate for it for whatever reason)
[01:57] <thewillo> I like lxde... My lubuntu boots in 3 seconds from the time I tell grub to boot it, until it's fully loaded and running
[01:57] <GWM> This is a 850€ish lenovo ideapad 700 (Y700ISKI or something), that I put a 960 EVO NVMe in
[01:58] <GWM> I had hoped that NTFS-3g still works well and I can just share my windows D: with ubuntu without any problems
[01:58] <bumblefuzz> can anyone tell me wht kind of bluetooth adapter I have? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24743383/
[01:58] <thewillo> what do you mean share your windows?
[01:58] <thewillo> you want to install linux onto windows?
[01:58] <GWM> Mount my D: drive using NTFS-3g
[01:58] <GWM> or similar
[01:58] <iCherry> bumblefuzz, what flavour are you using?
[01:58] <GWM> Back in 2010ish it was ntfs-3g that was used to mount r/w windows partitions
[01:58] <GWM> but yeah, long time ago
[01:59] <LjL> GWM, i read/write NTFS routinely from Debian as i keep my SD cards as that for compatibility with Windows
[01:59] <bumblefuzz> ubuntu mate
[01:59] <irisl> Lsusb
[01:59] <irisl> Lspci
[01:59] <bumblefuzz> me?
[01:59] <thewillo> you can mount your windows paritition in ubuntu no problem, and if you use ext3 instead of ext4, there is drivers to mount your linux partitions in windows too
[01:59] <GWM> Yes
[02:00] <GWM> About that, on a NVMe SSD, are there any recommendations on EXT3 vs 4
[02:00] <thewillo> but the drivers are third-party, you have to download and install them
[02:00] <GWM> I've heard rumours that EXT3 works better
[02:00] <GWM> and will eh, consume the lifetime of the disk less
[02:00] <iCherry> bumblefuzz
[02:00] <GWM> Do we still make ReiserFS jokes?
[02:00] <iCherry> can you run " $rfkill list  " and paste the output?
[02:00] <GWM> It was a killer FS
[02:00] <LjL> GWM, i'm not sure about that, but do mount ext with relatime
[02:00] <thewillo> ext4 when it was newly added to linux, well, certain linux setups would cause data corruption, but ext4 support is perfect now in linux
[02:01] <sirru5h> bumblefuzz, 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0 xHCI
[02:01] <kostkon> GWM, you're talking about ext2 which lacks journaling
[02:01] <thewillo> ext4 can't be mounted on windows though unless there is a new driver I don't know about
[02:01] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24743486/
[02:02] <sirru5h> HCI denotes Host Controller Interface
[02:02] <GWM> LjL, is that bootloader available default instead of GRUB?
[02:02] <thewillo> but ext4 is faster than ext3, not sure by how much, but I read some reviews/blogs and everyone said ext4 is the most efficient/fastest partition type for typical users on linux
[02:02] <bumblefuzz> k
[02:02] <GWM> Or do I have to uninstall grub and then install it?
[02:02] <bumblefuzz> what does that mean?
[02:02] <GWM> Refind bootloader that is
[02:02] <LjL> GWM, no, but it's available as a package in Ubuntu, and no, you don't have to remove GRUB because UEFI supports having as many bootloaders at the same time as you can fit in the EFI ESP partition
[02:03] <sirru5h> bumblefuzz, you can google up  Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0 xHCI I found multiple threads
[02:03] <LjL> GWM, you just tell your UEFI setup which of them you want to load by default
[02:03] <sirru5h> I'm guessing that you have a HP ProBook?
[02:04] <LjL> GWM, in fact, technically you don't need a bootloader at all as you could just set a Linux kernel up to be booted directly by UEFI. but that's generally not too practical
[02:04] <GWM> All I say is that this is a lenovo laptop and they can never be trusted to have a sane implementation
[02:05] <iCherry> bumblefuzz, do you have a directory called " hci0 " in /sys/class/bluetooth   ?
[02:05] <GWM> at least it's the chinese government that have the backdoors and not the US
[02:05] <GWM> Oh right, intel ME, shit
[02:06] <bumblefuzz> iCherry: yep
[02:08] <bumblefuzz> is that the chinese backdoor for my bluetooth?
[02:09] <Bashing-om> GWM: Pretty good SSD guide : https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd .
[02:09] <Langley> Hello, running Ubuntu Gnome 16.04, full screen windows open on the wrong (secondary) monitor. It worked fine when secondary was to the right of primary, but not now that it is above
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[02:10] <Vampire0> sry, wrong channel
[02:10] <iCherry> bumblefuzz, hmm, can you paste some logs?  run  " journalctl -xb | grep blue "
[02:12] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24743541/
[02:13] <bumblefuzz> iCherry: done
[02:13] <iCherry> well, theres definitely some errors there
[02:13] <bumblefuzz> okayyy
[02:13] <iCherry> hold on
[02:14] <bumblefuzz> sorry I'm noobish
[02:14] <iCherry> btw, from your logs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24743568/
[02:16] <iCherry> bumblefuzz, this is a COMPLETELY blind shot, but can you try to install this package, and see if it fixes anything?  http://people.canonical.com/~sforshee/lp1686815/linux-firmware_1.157.11~pre201704282144_all.deb
[02:17] <bumblefuzz> ok
[02:17] <bumblefuzz> ...and what is that?
[02:17] <iCherry> well, the errors were "firmware errors", so i simply googled it
[02:18] <iCherry> came up with an answer pointing to that
[02:19] <iCherry> bumblefuzz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1686815 relates to something different, but has the same error
[02:22] <bumblefuzz> iCherry: I get an error
[02:22] <iCherry> can you pastebin it?
[02:22] <bumblefuzz> no longer provides linux-firmware
[02:22] <bumblefuzz> it isn't cli
[02:23] <iCherry> ah
[02:23] <iCherry> hmm, ok
[02:23] <bumblefuzz> I used the package installer
[02:27] <iCherry> bumblefuzz, can you try this in terminal? " wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.161.1_all.deb " followed by " sudo dpkg -i linux-firmware_1.161.1_all.deb "
[02:28] <bumblefuzz> it's doing stufff
[02:28] <bumblefuzz> ok
[02:28] <bumblefuzz> done
[02:28] <iCherry> both of them?
[02:28] <bumblefuzz> yep
[02:29] <iCherry> alright, can you try running the bluetooth application again?
[02:29] <iCherry> and see if it works?
[02:30] <bumblefuzz> still doesn't work
[02:30] <akik> iCherry: probably needs to reload the blutooth module again
[02:31] <iCherry> bumblefuzz, " sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart " should restart bluetooth module, as akik said
[02:32] <bumblefuzz> still says no adapters found
[02:32] <iCherry> can you pastebin it/
[02:32] <iCherry> ?
[02:32] <bumblefuzz> I'm just using the bluetooth icon on my menubar
[02:32] <bumblefuzz> not a cli command
[02:33] <iCherry> did it restart though?
[02:33] <bumblefuzz> I can pastebin a command if you tell me what you want me to type
[02:33] <iCherry> the bluetooth restart command, mentioned above
[02:34] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24743774/
[02:34] <bumblefuzz> it restarted, yes
[02:35] <akik> i was thinking of modprobe -r module and modprobe module
[02:37] <iCherry> bumblefuzz, can you paste the whole output of " lspci -knn | grep Net -A2; lsusb "
[02:39] <bumblefuzz> iCherry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24743806/
[02:39] <jushur> any way to get the deault terminal to color url's?
[02:41] <iCherry> bumblefuzz, has bluetooth worked before?
[02:41] <bumblefuzz> nope
[02:41] <bumblefuzz> brand new laptop
[02:42] <iCherry> can you give the output of " uname -a "
[02:43] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24743835/
[02:45] <iCherry> im clueless
[02:46] <bumblefuzz> well, that makes two of us
[02:54] <jushur> bumblefuzz: what laptop is it? model name and full number. should be a sticker at bottom
[02:55] <bumblefuzz> Lenovo X270
[03:05] <jushur> bumblefuzz: what version of linux-firmware you have?
[03:07] <bumblefuzz> iCherry: don't know
[03:07] <bumblefuzz> jushur: don't know
[03:09] <jushur> bumblefuzz: apt show linux-firmware
[03:10] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24744037/
[03:12] <jushur> bumblefuzz: can you paste lsmod output to
[03:13] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24744050/
[03:13] <jushur> the linux-firmware is "suposed" to be new enough. but i have my doubts.
[03:14] <jushur> bumblefuzz: you have the hardware button toggled to enabled for bluetooth?
[03:16] <jushur> bumblefuzz: can you reboot the computer. as you upgraded firmware you should try a fresh cooldboot.
[03:17] <jushur> bumblefuzz: also you can take the newest firmware from that site.
[03:24] <Squarism> im on 14.04 - when i surf to http://localhost it says "Not Found: vhost: localhost /"
[03:24] <Squarism> so i assume i have a webserver running. But cannot figure out what
[03:25] <iCherry> Squarism
[03:25] <iCherry> can you run "ps aux" and look for "apache"
[03:25] <Squarism> dont have it running
[03:26] <Squarism> sudo ps aux | grep apache
[03:26] <Squarism> gives nothing
[03:26] <Squarism> ^iCherry
[03:26] <iCherry> well, apache is the most common
[03:26] <Squarism> listens says:
[03:26] <Squarism> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:80              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      -
[03:26] <Squarism> no pid associated
[03:27] <Squarism> netstat -l
[03:27] <Squarism> that is
[03:29] <iCherry> can you run
[03:30] <iCherry> apache2 --version
[03:30] <iCherry> to check if its installed
[03:40] <iCherry> Squarism?
[03:41] <Squarism> its not installed
[03:41] <iCherry> how about
[03:41] <iCherry> ps aux | grep -E 'httpd|apache'
[03:41] <iCherry> anything there?
[03:42] <iCherry> Squarism ^^
[03:43] <Squarism> nope
[03:43] <iCherry> lsof -Pni :80
[03:43] <iCherry> ?
[03:43] <sirru5h> has he tried lsof -i :port#
[03:44] <iCherry> Squarism, that last command might return your browser, but anything beside that?
[03:45] <Squarism> im giving up on it
[03:45] <iCherry> lsof -Pni :80
[03:45] <iCherry> does that give anything?
[03:47] <iCherry> Squarism if " lsof -Pni :80 " doesnt give anything,then its nothing
[03:47] <tgm4883> iCherry: 'ps aux | grep nginx'
[03:48] <iCherry> hm, on this same note
[03:49] <iCherry> same process, pid keeps changing
[03:49] <iCherry> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24744324/
[04:03] <flatloop> I'm having some trouble with my boot/grub on my Precise install.  Where is the best place to go for help?
[04:05] <sirru5h> hmm iCherry you should be able to stop the service
[04:07] <iCherry> sirru5h, whenever i try to kill it, it says there is no such project
[04:21] <jennie> hello, I am wondering how much lag I am getting in this Oracle virtual box Ubuntu 16.04 installation inside a Windows10x64 machine, 8gb ram and SSD on a laptop?
[04:21] <thewillo> jennie, it depends on your cpu
[04:21] <thewillo> some cpu's support hardware acceleration of virtual machines, some don't
[04:22] <jennie> thewillo: cpu is i5 6300 2.40ghz
[04:22] <jennie> 6300U*
[04:22] <thewillo> oh, then very little lag
[04:22] <thewillo> unless you configure the vm wrong and disable hardware acceleration, or have it disabled in your bios/UEFI firmware
[04:23] <jennie> how to configure it correctlyy? i went with default settings
[04:23] <thewillo> also, you need 2d and 3d hardware acceleration supported by your video card
[04:24] <jennie> This is Dell latitude E5570
[04:24] <thewillo> what kind of graphics chip does it have?
[04:25] <jennie> I have intel HD graphics 530
[04:25] <thewillo> Oh, then you should run lubuntu not normal ubuntu
[04:25] <thewillo> because normal ubuntu uses unity which is heavy on the graphical processing
[04:26] <thewillo> lubuntu is ubuntu, with lxde instead of unity, and it comes with lighter weight programs by default but you can install with apt-get all the same programs that normal ubuntu comes iwth
[04:26] <thewillo> *with
[04:26] <thewillo> they are the same distribution almost, and use the same software repositories
[04:27] <thewillo> anyways I gotta reboot, be back in a few
[04:30] <jennie> How can I download stuff from ubuntu software center, its asking for ubuntu ID and I do not liek to make one.
[04:30] <jennie> Earlier it was free
[04:30] <jennie> like no ID and all
[04:35] <flatloop> If my installation suddenly only boots to the memtest image, what is the best way to get this corrected and back to my Precise Pangolin?
[04:37] <kenrin> Select the non memtest image at the boot menu?
[04:38] <flatloop> @kenrin That's the rub, and I should have been more clear in my post, but there are no other options to choose from.
[04:39] <kenrin> Not even recovery ?  Probably going to have to boot with liveusb|cd and fix the menu listings then
[04:41] <flatloop> @kenrin thanks.  Once on the LIVE distro, is it as easy as "grub-install" to get things back on track?
[04:42] <kenrin> If you got only one hard-drive,  yes
[04:44] <kenrin> If you messed up something in /boot and deleted a kernel it might take a bit more work
[04:45] <flatloop> One system drive, and 3 spanned in a software RAID5, complications?
[04:47] <flatloop> I don't remember doing anything drastic, especially in /boot.  I was not home when the power went out and this was the problem that manifested.
[04:50] <kenrin> Just make sure you mount the system drive.  I think you need to specify the boot dir too
[04:52] <kenrin> something similar to:  grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sda
[04:52] <flatloop> Thanks @kenrin, I'm downloading the iso and making a bootable flash now.
[04:52]  * flatloop crosses his fingers
[04:54] <EriC^^> flatloop: what's the problem?
[04:54] <kenrin> Somehow his kernel and recovery got removed from grub
[04:55] <flatloop> What Kenrin said.
[04:55] <EriC^^> what error is he getting
[04:55] <kenrin> Just memtest at boot
[04:55] <EriC^^> oh
[04:55] <EriC^^> try hitting "c" and browse with "ls /boot" to see what you have there
[04:56] <flatloop> I tried just an ls and it doesn't like that command.
[04:56] <EriC^^> in the grub> prompt?
[04:57] <flatloop> Correct.
[04:57] <EriC^^> odd
[04:57] <kenrin> Thats why I don't like write-cache
[04:59] <flatloop> Okay my boot disk is done.  Shall return.  Thanks again kenrin.
[05:14] <RenegadeZed> hello, first time user of Lubuntu here. i'm having trouble. i'm a noob but i am somewhat resourceful. anyone able to provide me some help? i'm sure it will be a piece of cake for all of you :)
[05:15] <RenegadeZed> i had windows xp installed on my laptop, couldn't make it work. for some reasons internet explorer would just show msn.com and nothing else
[05:15] <RenegadeZed> so i got tired of it and installed lubuntu
[05:15] <RenegadeZed> all i get is a black screen after the lubuntu load screen tho
[05:16] <RenegadeZed> i've tried some stuff around the net.. nomodeset and such. i'm sure i haven't done anything correctly tho. i'm totally lost with linux/ubuntu
[05:16] <Squarism> is tntnet part of ubuntu?
[05:17] <Squarism> default web server so to speak?
[05:22] <kenrin> Black screen?  Can you drop to a shell and check|install your graphics drivers
[05:24] <RenegadeZed> yes, is there some info on how to do that step by step tho?
[05:24] <RenegadeZed> like i said, i'm a total newby to this
[05:25] <RenegadeZed> i'm just trying to get that thing working so that i can use my celestron neximage with my telescope.. gonna be my astro image grabber lol
[05:26] <darthanubis> what are the pc specs?
[05:26] <RenegadeZed> so boot, hold right shift, then recovery, then root
[05:27] <darthanubis> what video card?
[05:27] <RenegadeZed> @darthanubis a toshiba satellite m70 .. an old thing
[05:27] <darthanubis> what video card?
[05:28] <RenegadeZed> it's integrated, not sure how to check that
[05:29] <RenegadeZed> can't boot for now
[05:29] <darthanubis> google your pc model
[05:30] <RenegadeZed> it's amd for sure, i remember that,  ATI catalyst and all
[05:31] <darthanubis> what install media did you use?
[05:31] <darthanubis> usb stick, cdrom?
[05:32] <RenegadeZed> usb
[05:33] <darthanubis> how was it made?
[05:34] <darthanubis> RenegadeZed, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
[05:35] <darthanubis> Follow that to the letter and redo the usb stick. Install again. This time choose opensource video drivers
[05:35] <darthanubis> Let us know how you get on:)
[05:35] <RenegadeZed> hmm, i used rufus to use the iso on the usb
[05:36] <darthanubis> RenegadeZed, sorry
[05:37] <darthanubis> Install again. This time choose opensource video drivers
[05:37] <RenegadeZed> found it ATI RADEON® XPRESS 200M with 128MB DDR shared video memory
[05:38] <RenegadeZed> lubuntu can only be downloaded as an ISO?
[05:38] <darthanubis> right
[05:38] <kenrin> I know rufus needs to be write in DD mode
[05:38] <darthanubis> that's how install media comes, unless you have a linux running system already
[05:39] <RenegadeZed> ok so lubuntu.net and i choose download lubuntu desktop cd
[05:39] <RenegadeZed> x86
[05:39] <RenegadeZed> sorry, i'm gonna sound stupid, but i don't want to mess this up again lol
[05:40] <krytarik> RenegadeZed: DID you really install any drivers?
[05:40] <RenegadeZed> i'm not sure actually... like i said, i followed what ever was on screen
[05:40] <RenegadeZed> first time using anything with linux, ima noob
[05:41] <hateball> RenegadeZed: There's no option to install restricted video drivers during install
[05:43] <RenegadeZed> then i did something wrong, idk. i thought lubuntu was an entry level to linux lol
[05:43] <RenegadeZed> 1 min left till download complete
[05:45] <hipp>   /discon
[05:46] <hipp> d'oh
[05:46] <RenegadeZed> ok whats a dash?  /facepalm
[05:47] <hateball> RenegadeZed: -
[05:47] <hateball> RenegadeZed: Context is everything
[05:47] <RenegadeZed> Open the dash and search for Startup Disk Creator
[05:47] <kenrin> like a start menu
[05:47] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: To be clear, you installed Lubuntu and the installation seemed to go fine but on the first boot of your newly installed system you get a black screen?
[05:47] <RenegadeZed> i'm on windows 10 tho.. darth ?
[05:47] <RenegadeZed> yes jordan
[05:47] <hateball> RenegadeZed: On Windows 10 you would use something like Rufus
[05:47] <hateball> !usb
[05:48] <RenegadeZed> thanks hate
[05:48] <hateball> RenegadeZed: If you get the black screen problem again directly after install you can try booting with nomodeset
[05:48] <hateball> And then perhaps upgrading mesa
[05:50] <RenegadeZed> i tried nomodeset, with my very limited understanding and skill
[05:51] <RenegadeZed> didnt work lol
[05:51] <RenegadeZed> ok ive got rufus
[05:51] <RenegadeZed> now i open it, mount the iso on the usb
[05:51] <RenegadeZed> and boom?
[05:51] <kenrin> DD mode
[05:52] <RenegadeZed> dd image from the iso
[05:52] <RenegadeZed> i can only choose iso image
[05:55] <RenegadeZed> create a bootable disk using: freedos, iso image, dd image
[05:56] <RenegadeZed> if i choose dd image, the lubuntu iso file doesn't show
[05:56] <kenrin> after you hit start
[05:57] <RenegadeZed> ok so i leave it on freedos then hit start?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: For you, if the disk integrity check at boot (which you get to by pressing any key while the screen shows the "keyboard = accessibilty" symbol) succeeds when booting the installation media, it doesn't really matter how you created it. The resulting installation doesn't change depending on how you put the installer on the USB drive.
[06:00] <RenegadeZed> so far i have done everything like the first time.. which isn't good loll
[06:03] <RenegadeZed> ok it's done
[06:04] <RenegadeZed> so laptop's boot menu, choosing usb key
[06:05] <RenegadeZed> do i check disc for defects or install lubuntu
[06:05] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: Check disk for defects.
[06:08] <RenegadeZed> took a while but it's now checking
[06:10] <RenegadeZed> no errors found
[06:11] <RenegadeZed> do i install, any specific options? anything i gotta do before i press enter
[06:16] <hateball> RenegadeZed: you've managed to live-boot properly?
[06:17] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: Choose "Try before installing" (which will still allow you to run the installer).
[06:18] <RenegadeZed> ok
[06:19] <RenegadeZed> hateball: nope, just trying to install everything properly
[06:20] <RenegadeZed> and see if the bug happens again
[06:20] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: When you get to the option "Install third-party software for graphics and Wi-Fi hardware, flash, mp3, and other media" do *not* check it.
[06:20] <hateball> RenegadeZed: is this 16.04 or 17.04 btw?
[06:21] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: To be honest, I expect that the bug will happen again, but we'll see.
[06:23] <ElinKattunge> Hi
[06:23] <RenegadeZed> 17.04
[06:24] <hateball> RenegadeZed: is it booting to a desktop session properly now?
[06:24] <RenegadeZed> jordan, i went afk.. came back and i was booted, desktop if showing
[06:24] <RenegadeZed> trash and install lubuntu 17.04 on it
[06:24] <RenegadeZed> it's so beautiful
[06:24] <RenegadeZed> i'm crying
[06:25] <RenegadeZed> lol jk
[06:25] <hateball> RenegadeZed: Install, and like Jordan_U said dont check the tickbox for thirdparty stuff
[06:25] <ElinKattunge> Hi Jordan_U
[06:26] <RenegadeZed> i did check that thing on the first install, that's probably what effed me up.. it tried to install some drivers from ati or something?
[06:27] <RenegadeZed> so just to make sure, download updates: yes .. install third-party thingy: no
[06:27] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: Correct.
[06:27] <RenegadeZed> thanks jordan
[06:27] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: You're welcome.
[06:28] <hateball> If it's 17.04, it shouldnt try to install any drivers from AMD... since amdgpu is the new black
[06:28] <RenegadeZed> erase old ubuntu and resinstall (this is the equivalent of a fresh install?)
[06:29] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: Correct.
[06:29] <RenegadeZed> wait, i just saw erase disk, even better?
[06:29] <RenegadeZed> just to make sure.. lol
[06:30] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: Sure.
[06:30] <hhzhk2> 532500W000043
[06:31] <Jordan_U> hhzhk2: ?
[06:33] <RenegadeZed> it's a go
[06:33] <RenegadeZed> i'm so hyped
[06:34] <RenegadeZed> btw, if it's not too personal, where are you guys from?
[06:35] <bobdobbs> those of you running ubuntu 16.04 on the desktop and have their packages up-to-date: which version of chrome are you running?
[06:36] <bobdobbs> I've got chrome installed via a default channel. My version is 58.something
[06:36] <bobdobbs> but I understand that 59 has been out for some time
[06:38] <Jordan_U> bobdobbs: You understand wrong, unless you count the beta channel: https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/
[06:40] <bobdobbs> so 58 is the current version?
[06:41] <Jordan_U> bobdobbs: Correct.
[06:41] <bobdobbs> ah, I see
[06:41] <bobdobbs> I think I assumed that there was a distributed version 59 due to this: https://developers.google.com/web/tools/chrome-devtools/evaluate-performance/
[06:42] <bobdobbs> so I wonder what this version 59 is that they are talking about
[06:43] <Wegg> Does anyone know why VLC would behave differently on Ubuntu vs Debian?  On Debian I can view my baby's rtsp:// stream without issue.  On ubuntu it won't connect
[06:43] <bobdobbs> maybe it's a versioning thing and 59 was a dev build or something?
[06:44] <RenegadeZed> jordan: black screen again /sadface
[06:44] <Jordan_U> bobdobbs: 59 is still just in the beta channel, when it's declared stable it will move to the stable channel: https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel
[06:45] <bobdobbs> Jordan_U: thanks
[06:45] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: Hold shift during boot to get to the grub menu. Then select "advanced options for Ubuntu" then select the "Recovery mode" option. That should hopefully get you to something slightly better than just a black screen.
[06:47] <RenegadeZed> yup, i have a menu there
[06:50] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: OK. I think there should be an option to just continue booting. If so, select it.
[06:51] <RenegadeZed> same black screen, looks like the laptop is going in hibernate/sleep mode.. with the power button flashing orange
[06:56] <RenegadeZed> ok when recovery was loading i saw something error radeon, but it was too fast, i reloaded recovery and filmed the text
[06:57] <RenegadeZed> 15.793603 drm:radeon_init radeon error no ums support in radeon module!
[06:57] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: OK. Recovery mode automatically includes "nomodeset", so no use trying that separately.
[06:58] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: That error is actually because you booted with nomodeset.
[06:58] <RenegadeZed> oh lol
[06:58] <RenegadeZed> and i thought i was being clever XD
[06:59] <hateball> RenegadeZed, Jordan_U: So the install went fine, but after that it's black screen and nomodeset doesnt work either?
[07:00] <Jordan_U> hateball: Correct.
[07:00] <RenegadeZed> it was all good in the "try ubuntu from usb" thing
[07:00] <hateball> Jordan_U, RenegadeZed: Can you at least get to a recovery console?
[07:01] <hateball> Or was that broken as well? That'd be... bad
[07:01] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: If it were me, I would install openssh-server and ssh in from another machine to diagnose what's going wrong, but I need to leave now so I can't walk you through that.
[07:01] <hateball> If you can get a text console going we could try installing newer mesa from oibaf ppa
[07:01] <RenegadeZed> i can boot to grub
[07:01] <Jordan_U> hateball: The recovery mode menu comes up fine, it's only when RenegadeZed selects "Continue booting" from the recovery mode menu that he gets the black screen.
[07:04] <RenegadeZed> thanks for your help jordan, have a nice day!
[07:04] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: Adding "GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console" (without the quotes) to /etc/default/grub then running "sudo update-grub" may get things working.
[07:05] <RenegadeZed> where do i add that?
[07:05] <hateball> RenegadeZed: You'd need to have either a local shell or ssh
[07:05] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: The only difference that I can think of between booting the LiveUSB and booting the installed system is the mode that the bootloader puts the graphics card in before handing off to the kernel. This should make things closer to what you get in the LiveUSB with syslinux.
[07:07] <hateball> RenegadeZed: when you edit the grub line, can you remove "quiet splash" and only use nomodeset?
[07:07] <hateball> makes it easier to see messages
[07:07] <RenegadeZed> how do i edit the grub line
[07:08] <hateball> RenegadeZed: hold shift to get into grub, then press 'e' to edit
[07:08] <RenegadeZed> oh
[07:08] <Jordan_U> hateball: The recovery mode grub entry does this by default (and is easier for new users to use).
[07:08] <hateball> Jordan_U: ah, right
[07:08] <hateball> still, I am googling some other options to try, like "acpi_osi=Linux"
[07:09] <hateball> which requires editing the boot params
[07:11] <RenegadeZed> i'm also in #lubuntu explaining my problem
[07:12] <hateball> I can see that
[07:13] <hateball> crossposting is generally not very nice, when you're getting help somewhere
[07:13] <RenegadeZed> oh sorry
[07:19] <hateball> RenegadeZed: right, so, can hold left shift to get to grub menu and then be able to edit the bootline?
[07:19] <RenegadeZed> do you mean from recovery menu?
[07:19] <hateball> RenegadeZed: sure
[07:20] <RenegadeZed> yep im there
[07:24] <munsking> Hello, i have 2 drives in my machine, 1 1TB SSD (sda /) and 1 2TB HDD (sdb /media/black1/). i changed /etc/fstab to auto mount that 2tb drive, but after a while it becomes read-only which hangs my VM and messes up netbeans etc. my fstab looks like this
[07:24] <munsking> UUID=e4e11f70-cf3e-4c32-9150-36ef1c0076fe       /media/black1   ext4    defaults        0       2
[07:24] <munsking> (the ssd functions perfectly)
[07:25] <EriC^^> munsking: try to umount it right now and then do
[07:25] <EriC^^> sudo mount /media/black1
[07:26] <EriC^^> munsking: is there anything in "dmesg" about it?
[07:26] <munsking> EriC^^: that mounts it correctly
[07:26] <EriC^^> dmesg | grep -i " ro "
[07:27] <EriC^^> dmesg | grep -i "read.*only"
[07:27] <munsking> nope, that only shows 2 lines about /boot/vmlinuz
[07:27] <munsking> oh wait that did show something
[07:28] <munsking> and i mixed up the device names, the 2tb one is sda, ssd is sdb, but i went with the UUIDs anyway
[07:28] <EriC^^> ah
[07:29] <munsking> EXT4-fs error (device sda1): ext4_journal_check_start:56: Detected aborted journal
[07:29] <munsking> and right after that it remounts as read only
[07:30] <RenegadeZed> hateball are you still there?
[07:31] <EriC^^> munsking: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70077
[07:31] <munsking> https://pastebin.com/NS51ykdW
[07:32] <munsking> ah, i'll have a look at s.m.a.r.t.
[07:32] <EriC^^> munsking: try to unmount it them run sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1
[07:32] <EriC^^> munsking: also this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/aborted-journal-and-volume-remounted-read-only-812216/
[07:32] <hateball> RenegadeZed: Yep
[07:33] <hateball> RenegadeZed: Did you have any option to edit your bootline? It should say "press 'e' to edit" or some such
[07:33] <RenegadeZed> so after recovery menu then root?
[07:33] <munsking> EriC^^: ty, i'll have a look
[07:33] <EriC^^> RenegadeZed: in grub menu before pressing on recovery or anything
[07:33] <hateball> RenegadeZed: ^
[07:33] <RenegadeZed> oh geez
[07:34] <EriC^^> munsking: np, some guy also said it might be the controller
[07:35] <RenegadeZed> ok i got it
[07:35] <RenegadeZed> i so some codes
[07:35] <RenegadeZed> is that the matrix? the matrix is based on linux :O
[07:35] <RenegadeZed> i see some codes**
[07:39] <hateball> RenegadeZed: you should see a line that says "Ubuntu whatever", and to press 'e' to edit
[07:39] <RenegadeZed> the one with (recovery mode) or the normal one?
[07:39] <hateball> RenegadeZed: then you should have 4 or so lines, naviagte to the one containing quiet splash at the end and backspace those away. In their place you type: acpi_osi=Linux
[07:40] <hateball> RenegadeZed: normal. and then press... is it F10 to boot? it should say on the bottom
[07:40] <hateball> I must brb
[07:44] <RenegadeZed> done, same thing hateball
[07:48] <dudeji> if i use command date -d does it takes my time zone automatically ? and converts epoch timestamp to my time zone and gives me out put ?
[07:58] <hateball> RenegadeZed: and is it just pure black, no interesting feedback during boot?
[08:01] <RenegadeZed> i see the logo, then some line of codes that ends with "clean" and then goes black
[08:01] <RenegadeZed> it was booting fine with the usb key
[08:07] <hateball> RenegadeZed: at the point it goes black, can you press ctrl+alt+F1? Does that show a text login?
[08:08] <hateball> RenegadeZed: also, what is the exact model of your laptop? will make it easier to google
[08:09] <RenegadeZed> toshiba satellite m70
[08:09] <RenegadeZed> ctrl alt f1 doesnt work
[08:14] <nschoe> Hi everyone, I'm getting very frustrated: I'm running a docker container based on ubuntu:16.04 (no problem 'til here), but when I run `apt update` or `apt-get update`, it is _constantly_ stuck at '0% [Working]'
[08:14] <nschoe> And nothing happens for... hours.
[08:14] <hateball> RenegadeZed: hmmm... can you try using the parameter: radeon.modeset=0
[08:14] <hateball> RenegadeZed: starting to run out of ideas here :|
[08:15] <nschoe> This is very frustrating, and I don't understand where the problem comes from, can somebody help? I've scouted the ubuntu forums, seems like a recurrent bug that used to happen but was supposed to be fixed. :/
[08:15] <hateball> RenegadeZed: if that fails, replace "quiet splash" with "single" and see if that works
[08:17] <RenegadeZed> hateball where do i write radeon.modeset=0
[08:18] <hateball> RenegadeZed: grub -> edit, same place as before
[08:19] <hateball> RenegadeZed: backspace the quiet splash, and write that instead, boot with F10
[08:19] <RenegadeZed> ok
[08:21] <RenegadeZed> replacing with single has now a blinking ling to left
[08:21] <RenegadeZed> doesnt look like its going in sleep mode
[08:21] <RenegadeZed> but black screen
[08:21] <nschoe> Nobody for me '0% [Working]'?
[08:23] <vlt> nschoe: Does DNS reolution work?
[08:25] <hateball> RenegadeZed: ughhhhhh
[08:26] <RenegadeZed> modeset=0 gave me a tty1 window, then black screen
[08:27] <hateball> RenegadeZed: ok, maybe it tries to load the wrong module or something.. we can try using this bootline then: modprobe.blacklist=radeon
[08:31] <RenegadeZed> same thing
[08:31] <nschoe> vlt, yes it does.
[08:32] <RenegadeZed> gotta go to bed.. gotta work tomorrow.. will try my luck with irc when i wake up, before going to work
[08:33] <RenegadeZed> thanks for your time hateball
[08:33] <vlt> nschoe: Can you post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:33] <MrCrackPotBuilde> I'm having a problem with android studio on ubuntu 16.04. it says VT-x not supported but it is. I believe te problem is i have a windows 7 host virtualbox 5 and ubuntu runnig through the vm. Is there a fix i can use??
[08:35] <hateball> RenegadeZed: oh well, good luck
[08:35] <hateball> RenegadeZed: I havent used AMD for a decade+ due to... things like this :p
[08:35] <RenegadeZed> yeah its an old laptop i am trying to recycle for my astrophotography hobby lol
[08:38] <fallentree> hateball: running apt "inside" the docker container?
[08:39] <hateball> fallentree: sorry, no proper experience with docker
[08:39] <fallentree> hateball: well WHERE are you running apt?
[08:40] <fallentree> hateball: I'm sorry, I mistabbed, that was for nschoe ....
[08:41] <fallentree> nschoe: running apt "inside" the docker container?
[08:58] <dreamon_> hello. using xfce. menu bar of example firefox is shown in panelbar. I dont want this unity stuff. I want old fashion menubar on windowtop of firefox
[08:58] <dreamon_> how can I do?
[09:20] <YankDownUnder> dreamon_, https://askubuntu.com/questions/762137/applications-menu-missing-from-menu-bar
[09:28] <nschoe> fallentree, sirry for delay, was trying to diagnose with sysadmin
[09:28] <nschoe> fallentree, yes, `apt` inside the container
[09:29] <nschoe> fallentree, other colleagues don't have the problem. The only difference is the docker version, I'm updating now, see if this solves the pb
[09:34] <fallentree> nschoe: afaik docker containers are immutable, you can't update software inside them and should re-create the entire container with updated software
[09:35] <fallentree> at least, that's what they're designed for. if you want regular containers that you use as if they're VMs, you should use LXC or even better LXD.
[09:35] <nschoe> fallentree, no no I was talking about updating docker itself.
[09:36] <nschoe> fallentree, but alas it did not change anything.
[09:36] <fallentree> nschoe: that's contradicting the "yes apt inside the container". so which is it?
[09:36] <fallentree> if you're upgrading/updating docker software itself, you do it on the host side, not from within containers
[09:37] <nschoe> fallentree, okay let me clarify: I have instantiated a docker container, based on ubuntu:16.04 official image. Inside this container, I need to install software (for a test), so the plan is to run `apt update` and then `apt install my-package-name`, all of this inside the container.
[09:37] <nschoe> fallentree, all of this is perfectly possible, and I have done it a million times.
[09:37] <fallentree> nschoe: not gonna work, docker containers are designed to be immutable, ie. you have to use manifests and docker tools to create/update a container to use
[09:38] <nschoe> fallentree, when **I**'m doing this, it doesn't work. So I aksed a colleague to do it. And it worked. So we comapred and the only thing that was different was our docker version. So yes I just updated my docker verison and re-tried everything, and it still fails :/
[09:38] <nschoe> fallentree, no no, that's not a problem
[09:39] <nschoe> fallentree, I know docker, don't worry. The problem doesn't come from docker, as I said: I have a hundred containers runing right now, based on Ubuntu images, (on our remote server). Everythign works fine.
[09:39] <nschoe> It just so happens that *I* am getting this problem, for a reason I can't explain.
[09:39] <nschoe> you can totally update software inside a container.
[09:41] <nschoe> fallentree, by the way, after a lot of fidgeting, I have installed `apt-transport-https` and `apt-utils` which were missing. Now, `apt update` is not stuck on `0% [Working]` anymore, but I've got a `repostiry XXX does not have a Release file` :/
[09:41] <fallentree> well then good luck with that.
[09:42] <nschoe> you don't happen to have an idea?
[09:42] <nschoe> fallentree, because the repository is totally valid: we all use it here :/
[09:54] <faisal_> hi there, anyone knows if it is possible to restrict the bandwidth used by a service thats listening to incoming connections on a localport. for instance i have a service listening at localhost.localdomain:81 and anything connected to it, can go at full speed, i would like to restrict bandwidth to that service only to 5mbps. is it possible ? thanks a lot
[09:57] <mahdi_ja> hi all
[09:57] <mahdi_ja> any one work with icedtea plugin in ubuntu 16.04
[09:57] <SimonNL> faisal_: does this help.  https://www.google.nl/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=MnbKVfmjAaKx8wfC9aq4Cg&gws_rd=ssl#q=restrict+the+bandwidth+of+incoming+calls+linux
[09:58] <mahdi_ja> i install icedtea-8-plugin in ubuntu 16.04 but this plugin not add to firefox
[10:00] <faisal_> Hi SimonNL for the lmgtfy link, its appreciated, but my question is for the loopback interface, i forgot to mention works fine with a real interfce, but when ran on the lo interface, it seems to restrict the whole lo interface not just the one port i want, and i m thinking this could be by design as lo isnt a real interface
[10:01] <SimonNL> faisal_: sorry my knowledge is very limited.
[10:01] <faisal_> SimonNL:  np at all, i appreciate the help
[10:01] <faisal_> thanks
[10:11] <fallentree> faisal_: how are you limiting bandwidth, with tc?
[10:11] <faisal_> fallentree: yes
[10:12] <faisal_> fallentree: just realized im being stupid
[10:12] <faisal_> tc works with data we send
[10:12] <fallentree> faisal_: can you pastebin the qdisc?
[10:12] <faisal_> not whats received
[10:12] <faisal_> so ill try a few other things first
[10:12] <faisal_> might have figured it out
[10:14] <fallentree> faisal_: may I ask why do you need this?
[10:15] <faisal_> fallentree: no particular reason besides learning
[10:23] <jophish> Hi all
[10:23] <jophish> I've got an intermittent name resolution failure
[10:23] <jophish> other machines on this network seem to be working without issue
[10:23] <jophish> on this particular machine sometimes host/nslookup/dig/ping work
[10:23] <jophish> and other times they don't
[10:23] <jophish> What can I do to debug this?
[10:24] <jophish> nmcli device show  | grep IP4.DNS # This displays the correct server (192.168.1.1, the router running ddwrt)
[10:27] <jophish> Oh, it's important to know that the names I can't resolve are all on the LAN
[10:27] <jophish> external names are fine
[10:31] <fallentree> jophish: to debug this, when, say, ping doesn't work, you can check if it's dns issue by trying both hostname and ip address. if it's hostname, and it doesn't resolve (but sometimes does), check the journal, in particular the systemd-resolved service
[10:31] <fallentree> I've noticed that systemd-resolved has issues with some response packets and errors out while, say, bind happily accepts the response. I've seen that happen as of 16.10
[10:32] <jophish> fallentree: ip addresses work fine, it's definitely a dns issue :)
[10:32] <jophish> I'll check the logs
[10:34] <fallentree> you can also install dnsutils, and use dig to query the upstream directly.   dig <hostname> @192.168.1.1   when it doesn't resolve locally, that way you'll know if it's a local resolver issue or you're not getting proper info from the router
[10:35] <fallentree> so if the `host` command fails, but `dig @192.168.1.1` shows a valid reply, it's definitely the local resolver or config problem.
[10:36] <jinxi1> hi, can I use these images with KVM? http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/xenial/current/
[10:36] <fallentree> imho Ubuntu has had too much issues with DNS with last few releases, I'm always overriding it with a custom bind9 installation forced in resolv.conf, though in 17.04 I can't even do that, but have to use resolved.conf to specify my own upstream manually.
[10:37] <jophish> fallentree: using an explicit nameserver with dig works
[10:37] <jophish> so it is a local config
[10:38] <fallentree> jophish: try systemd-resolve <hostname>
[10:38] <jophish> I knew I shouldn't have rebooted my machine
[10:38] <jophish> resolve call failed: All attempts to contact name servers or networks failed
[10:38] <fallentree> jophish: which Ubuntu, btw?
[10:39] <jophish> fallentree: 16.10
[10:39] <fallentree> jophish: try forcing DNS=192.168.1.1 in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[10:39] <Aginor> jophish: what's the computer's ip address?
[10:39] <fallentree> jophish: need to systemctl restart systemd-resolved.service after changing that conf
[10:39] <Aginor> jophish: it might pay to check that your computer is on the network and able to talk to your router
[10:40] <fallentree> Aginor: it does, read scrollback
[10:40] <jophish> Aginor: it is on the network I can connect to other machines without a problem with their ip address
[10:40] <jophish> I've also got connections open to them which haven't stopped working
[10:40] <Aginor> ok
[10:40] <Aginor> sorry :)
[10:40] <jophish> fallentree: I'll give that a go, thanks
[10:40] <jophish> Aginor: no problem, thanks anyway :)
[10:40] <jophish> fallentree: although would that explain why the error is transient?
[10:41] <jophish> hmm, it's started working again now without me changing anything...
[10:41] <fallentree> jophish: let me know when you find out :) that's the DNS issues I've had since 16.10 and so I always force my local bind9 as resolver (and because I also use custom blacklists, etc...)
[10:41] <Aginor> jophish: did you just renew your dhcp lease?
[10:43] <jophish> Aginor: I don't think so, how can I check?
[10:43] <fallentree> yeah the blame is probably somewhere in the dhcp update chain, because if you force DNS= then it always works
[10:43] <fallentree> (except for those reply packets systemd doesn't like)
[10:44] <jophish> I don't think that the dhcp lease ever expires
[10:44] <jophish> at least that's what the router sayd
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Greetings all
[10:45] <jophish> ah, it's stopped again
[10:45] <fallentree> jophish: did you try forcing DNS= ?
[10:45] <jophish> I'll fiddle with resolved.conf
[10:45] <Aginor> jophish: I'm trying to figure that one out myself right now :)
[10:46] <fallentree> jophish: another option could be to set DNSSEC=no, it appears that 17.04 is having huge issues with it, and disabling DNSSEC for resolved fixed those. But then.... no DNSSEC which is kinda bad.
[10:46] <fallentree> really running your own resolver, bind or unbound, is the best solution. systemd-resolved is a pile of...
[10:46] <jophish> fallentree: that didn't work sadly. (I did restart the service)
[10:47] <Aginor> jophish: have a look in /var/lib/NetworkManager, it'll have a file that's called something like dhclient-<uuid>-<iface>.lease
[10:48] <rafaelcenteio> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 16.04. When I activate the Intel Virtualization Technology, I come up with no sound (dummy output). This happens when using a Logitech sound device. Here's the paste with lshw, lspci and uname -a. Thanks.
[10:48] <fallentree> jophish: it's possible you're having the same issue I had, it simply hates SOME dns replies and errors out on them.
[10:48] <rafaelcenteio> https://pastebin.com/2whdSimD
[10:48] <fallentree> jophish: you can verify that with tcpdump. observe if the packets are sent AND received, but reslolved still errors out, that's the same problem then.
[10:48] <fallentree> jophish: "tcpdump -n port 53"
[10:49] <Aginor> +1 for sniffing the network
[10:50] <Aginor> jophish: there's also wireshark if you want a pretty interface
[10:51] <fallentree> a bit of overkill to just verify the packets are sent and received. :)   sudo tcpdump -n port 53 | grep -P "A\?| A "   should do    then try `host <hostname>` in another shell
[10:51] <jophish> no packets are sent with systemd-resolv
[10:51] <Aginor> it might be worth actually checking the responses too (errors, or not), etc
[10:52] <fallentree> jophish: maybe it's caching the response, try restarting resolved first
[10:52] <rafaelcenteio> I don't know exactly the model of the sound device, but I'm almost sure it is z213 Logitech.
[10:52] <jophish> fallentree: nothing
[10:52] <fallentree> Aginor: dig worked fine, so the upstream sends valid replies
[10:52] <jophish> 'host name' does send packets
[10:52] <jophish> and (at the moment) resolves correctly
[10:52] <fallentree> (but indeed, you can verify that by inspecting the contents of replies with wireshark or tcpdump, I think it's -X)
[10:53] <fallentree> jophish: can you ping by hostname?
[10:54] <jophish> fallentree: nope
[10:54] <Aginor> jophish: do be carful sharing a packet trace if you're unfamiliar with sanitising them, they may contain critical/private information you do not want to share with someone else
[10:54] <fallentree> jophish: so, `host` resolves, but ping by hostname doesn't work?
[10:54] <Aginor> jophish: so if in doubt, don't :)
[10:55] <jophish> This is the output of 'ping ed' https://gist.github.com/700dcca956150e01da97e1c11d56f376 (in tcpdump)
[10:55] <jophish> fallentree: correct
[10:55] <fallentree> jophish: you're getting NXDOMAIN replies
[10:56] <jophish> Aginor: will do, thanks
[10:56] <fallentree> and you're using 8.8.8.8
[10:56] <jophish> fallentree: yeah, just seen that
[10:56] <fallentree> which kinda makes sense as google wouldn't know about your LAN names :)
[10:56] <jophish> I wonder why it's not using the router
[10:56] <fallentree> where is 8.8.8.8 set up?
[10:58] <jophish> fallentree: I think it's from the router
[10:59] <fallentree> jophish: double check: the networkmanager connection settings, /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[11:00] <fallentree> if it's from the router then it's coming via dhcp. bad router set up then.
[11:00] <jophish> fallentree: as far as I know the router is sending 192.168.1.1 first
[11:00] <jophish> the other machines work fine
[11:00] <jophish> https://gist.github.com/4f39fdc4887f539b85a515735c23c3f6
[11:00] <jophish> those configs look ok to me
[11:02] <fallentree> jophish: according to resolved.conf manpage, if FallbackDNS is not set, a compiled list of DNS servers is used instead. I don't know if the commented default is THE compiled list, if it is, then that would explain it.
[11:02] <fallentree> jophish: which means, uncomment FallbackDNS= in resolved.conf and specify 192.168.1.1
[11:02] <jophish> fallentree: still doesn't explain why it's not using DNS
[11:02] <jophish> fallentree: I'll try that
[11:03] <fallentree> jophish: FallbackDNS would explain it. resolved fails on default then falls back to, well, FallbackDNS :)
[11:03] <fallentree> if 8.8.8.8 is part of that compiled list, that's the cause.
[11:03] <jophish> fallentree: still nothing from systemd-resolve (and still no tcpdump output)
[11:03] <fallentree> but it doesn't solve WHY primary query is failing.
[11:04] <jophish> fallentree: 'host ed' does query 192.168.1.1
[11:05] <fallentree> jophish: please pastebin `systemd-resolve --status`
[11:05] <jophish> fallentree: https://gist.github.com/5a75040e42407831aedbea494c803a10
[11:06] <fallentree> jophish: add office.myrtlesoftware.com  to Domains=  in resolved.conf, restart systemd-resolved.service, try again
[11:09] <jophish> fallentree: ah, now I get some tcpdump output
[11:09] <jophish> although it's only checking jet.office.myrtlesoftware.com
[11:09] <jophish> and not jet.
[11:10] <fallentree> well I don't know what the lookup policy is with systemd-resolved when it sees non-fqdn hostname, but this at least shows that it forwards using specified search domain
[11:11] <fallentree> jophish: to clarify, `dig jet @192.168.1.1` responds with the IP of jet?
[11:11] <jophish> fallentree: yes
[11:11] <fallentree> which means the router is doing the job properly resolving non-fqdn names. so it's possible systemd-resolved has no clue without telling it to search through Domains=
[11:12] <fallentree> in my configs I always explicitly set up my own DNS= resolver, and my own Domains= for search, ignoring resolv.conf, dhcp or NM, the last two not even being able to set up DNS in 17.04
[11:13] <fallentree> so I guess specifying the search through Domains= is your solution, though you'd have to manually change it should it change upstream as it won't come over dhcp
[11:13] <fallentree> thing is, systemd reall hijacked a lot of stuff and there's now a split-brain situation in Ubuntu. some tools work with resolve.conf (the `host` command), some things rely on systemd-resolved's config (any resolving, like pinging by hostname), it's a huge mess and I think it's best to configure everything through resolved.conf so there's no doubt about it.
[11:14] <jophish> fallentree: hmm, Domains= didn't seem to work
[11:15] <fallentree> oh I thought you said you had tcpdump output, I thought that was in response to Domains= setting
[11:15] <jophish> interestingly, systemd-resolve works fine for 'hoogle.hydra' for which the router has a special rule for
[11:16] <jophish> fallentree: sorry, I got tcpdump output for Domains=office.myrtlesoftware.com
[11:16] <fallentree> that's correc then. what do you mean by "Domains= didn't seem to work"?
[11:16] <jophish> ah, I left it blank
[11:17] <fallentree> yeah, Domains= in resolved.conf has the function of "search" in resolv.conf
[11:17] <jophish> although I get tcpdump output for jet.office.ms.com the router doens't know where that is
[11:17] <jophish> fallentree: oh
[11:17] <fallentree> jophish: you get NXDOMAIN from the router?
[11:17] <jophish> yeah
[11:17] <fallentree> but dig @192.168.1.1 responds with an IP?
[11:18] <jophish> fallentree: for jet, but not for jet.office.ms.com
[11:18] <jophish> jet.office.ms.com is not something we're using
[11:18] <fallentree> ooh I see
[11:18] <fallentree> oh I assumed because it's in your resolve.conf ouput
[11:18] <fallentree> that explains it then
[11:18] <jophish> sorry if I wasn't clear
[11:18] <fallentree> you have search in resolv.conf, which means any non-fqdn query will be attached to that.
[11:19] <jophish> should I remove that then?
[11:19] <fallentree> I don't know, was it set by dhcp?
[11:19] <jophish> oh, I shouldn't edit that my hand
[11:19] <jophish> fallentree: yes, I think so
[11:19] <fallentree> then it's routers fault. it's advertising a search domain it has no clue how to resolve
[11:20] <jophish> fallentree: all the other machines seem to work fine though
[11:20] <jophish> I'll change the router though
[11:20] <jophish> ah, systemd-resolve jet fails on the other machines too
[11:20] <jophish> they must have something else going on
[11:21] <fallentree> it's quite possible the router is not replying to your IP properly, as it's possible to set "views" with dns servers, which is different responses for same query, to different IPs
[11:21] <jophish> hmm, seems unlikely
[11:22] <fallentree> jophish: in 16.10 systemd-resolved is not the sole resolver yet, it goes through dnsmasq which, iirc, is querying resolved. at any rate you had 127.0.1.1 in your tcpdump, that's systemd-resolved if I'm not mistaken
[11:23] <jophish> what a mess
[11:24] <fallentree> .... which is why I run my own resolver on Ubuntu :)
[11:24] <fallentree> in my case, systemd-resolved (even on 16.10, actually that's where it started) simply couldn't accept replies for SOME domains from my router. no idea why, it deems them broken.
[11:24] <fallentree> I spent two days convincing my ISP that their resolvers are broken until I realized that 16.04 works fine, 16.10+ doesn't, so I gave up and installed bind :)
[11:25] <jophish> fallentree: do you know of a good guide for setting up bind9 or something?
[11:25] <jophish> I don't think my config is complicated, basically I'd like to just do whatever dhcp told me to :)
[11:26] <jophish> ..., systemd-resolve is working now
[11:26] <jophish> ah, just for one domain
[11:26] <jophish> perhaps I put it in the cache some other way
[11:26]  * fallentree explodes and disappears in a poof of smoke.
[11:26] <jophish> thanks for all the help fallentree :)
[11:26] <fallentree> you can flush caches
[11:26] <jophish> I'll let you know if I puzzle it out
[11:27] <fallentree> systemd-resolve --flush-caches
[11:27] <jophish> hmm, still works
[11:28] <jophish> although there's nothing on tcpdump still
[11:33] <fallentree> jophish: but... if you specify that domain in Domains= of resolved.conf, and then ping jet (just jet) by hostname, it should work fine, no?
[11:33] <fallentree> oh, no you said the router couldn't resolve the fqdn
[11:33] <fallentree> well, good luck untangling that one, I'm out of ideas.
[11:34] <jophish> thanks for all the help, fallentree!
[11:35] <fallentree> except... setting just FallbackDNS=192.168.1.1 in your resolved.conf. Leave Domains= empty so it doesn't attach jet to fqdn, leave DNS= empty so it comes over dhcp (unless you know it'll always be 192.168.1.1)
[11:35] <fallentree> that would solve that 8.8.8.8 problem, as it should always send requests to 192.168.1.1
[11:35] <fallentree> uh, leave Domains= empty, I meant comment it out, and DNS= too, leave them UNSET rather than empty
[11:38] <ppf> so, fill me in, what's the problem?
[11:39] <thewillo> is there a way to compress ram in ubunut?
[11:39] <ppf> thewillo: "compress ram"?
[11:39] <fallentree> jophish: although come to think of it, I think the root of the problem is your router advertising a search domain but not resolving by it. dhcp sets that search in resolv.conf and whatever you do with just "jet" SHOULD get queried out as fqdn... which the router responds with NXDOMAIN
[11:39] <thewillo> yeah, you've never heard of the concept of compressing the data in ram?
[11:40] <thewillo> it can be useful for some things but is significantly performance degrading
[11:40] <thewillo> Windows does it... when I don't want it to... lol
[11:40] <ppf> well, yes, compressing data i've heard of
[11:40] <ppf> !info zram
[11:41] <ppf> !search zram
[11:41] <ppf> helpful ...
[11:41] <thewillo> lol
[11:41] <ppf> !info zram-config
[11:41] <fallentree> thewillo: I believe you should look up "Ubuntu zram" in google
[11:41] <fallentree> oh, beaten by ppf :)
[11:41] <thewillo> fallentree, thanks:D I will google it
[11:42] <lovepreet>  Hi, trying to setup Graylog. Have successfully installed it and the rest api is working as expected. But the web interface is not working which uses the same rest api. Can anyone help?
[11:42] <fallentree> I don't think it's a package but kernel module
[11:42] <ppf> fallentree: it is, but you need to turn it on
[11:42] <ppf> that's what  that package does
[11:42] <anchnk> hi, I am using i3 as a window manager and I would like to know what would be the cleanest way to use dunst instead of notify-osd as dbus'notification client ?
[11:42] <anchnk> is it to kill the notify-osd daemon and then launch dunst process or can i replace notify-osd ?
[11:43] <ppf> anchnk: #i3
[11:43] <fallentree> ppf: hmm yeah, zram-config, it seems
[11:43] <anchnk> ppf thx
[11:43] <thewillo> hrm, zram.... Not exactly what I need
[11:43] <thewillo> but good to know it's there
[11:43] <thewillo> thanks
[11:44] <thewillo> wait... I have an SSD now... swap will be much faster than it used to be
[11:45] <thewillo> I was running a hdd until recently, i just realized how much better it will be for swap
[11:46] <fallentree> sounds like the solution to your problem is... just adding moar RAM :)
[11:46] <thewillo> fallentree, yep... but that's $200
[11:46] <fallentree> or perhaps experiment with higher swappiness settings, to earlier page out what the kernel thinks is unused pages
[11:46] <ppf> for what, 1TB of ram?
[11:47] <fallentree> add ECC to that. 1TB of ECC :)
[11:47] <thewillo> no, for 2 sticks of 8gb 1866mhz ddr3 ram for my laptop from a brand I trust
[11:47] <fallentree> ah, here come arbitrary constraints :)
[11:49] <thewillo> Well, if I'm buying ram I'll do the upgrade I planned to do next month, which is go from 8gb 1600mhz to 16gb 1866mhz...
[11:49] <thewillo> I'll just borrow the moneys from the bank i guess... It's the responsible thing to do
[11:50] <fallentree> thewillo: just note that swapping frequently on an SSD is going to add a lot to that "LSB written" killer of SSDs :)
[11:50] <thewillo> fallentree, that's why i bought the extended warranty
[11:50] <fallentree> yeah, gotta support the money changers yacths. the summer is coming on the northen hemisphere, those yacths need prepping.
[11:50] <thewillo> because I don't trust NAND storage
[11:51] <fallentree> bakcups, backups, backups.
[11:52] <fallentree> s/LSB/LBAs   oh my mind is somewhere else
[11:52] <thewillo> yeah, I have automated backing up
[11:53] <thewillo> I have a script that backs up everything I do
[11:53] <thewillo> my friend wrote it
[12:00] <annihilator> im unable to get hp printer drivers. can anyone help please?
[12:00] <hateball> annihilator: If you're using a standard Ubuntu install you should already have hplip installed
[12:01] <hateball> annihilator: What is your printer model? How have you tried installing it?
[12:01] <annihilator> ok nvm
[12:01] <annihilator> i feel like an idiot
[12:01] <annihilator> i just went to printers......and it was there
[12:02] <hateball> It's nice like that, using HP printers
[12:02] <annihilator> LOL
[12:04] <annihilator> it is a network printer and it still auto populated
[12:05] <hateball> the wonders of bonjour
[12:05] <annihilator> so true
[12:05] <hateball> great at home, a curse anywhere else
[12:05] <annihilator> lol
[12:06] <fallentree> you mean avahi :)
[12:09] <hateball> fallentree: I do
[12:09] <thewillo> is there a way in ubuntu to force my cpu's clock multiplier? my chip is locked but in windows i have a tool that I can use to force it to always stay at the full turbo frequency
[12:09] <thewillo> I can't do it via firmware, because firmware is featureless and disappointing
[12:10] <fallentree> thewillo: switch cpufreq to performance profile, I suppose.
[12:10] <thewillo> would that force turbo to stay on? I know both heat and power requirements are met
[12:11] <fallentree> it'll clock the CPU at maximum frequency advertised by it. does that include turbo? I don't know.
[12:14] <fallentree> thewillo: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq   does that list the turbo frequency ?
[12:14] <thewillo> the maximum frequency the cpu can do is 2.7ghz, which is it's turbo frequency, but by deafault it watches for power consumption to not go over it's TDP, but I was monitoring the settings in windows 10, and when I forced the clock multiplier, it adjusted the voltage automatically
[12:14] <thewillo> yes, that lists the max
[12:15] <thewillo> it lists 2.7ghz, the advertised speed is 2.2ghz with 2.7ghz turbo
[12:15] <fallentree> thewillo: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ?
[12:15] <thewillo> performance
[12:17] <fallentree> then it should be maxed out already. cat cpuinfo_cur_freq at that path, instead of scaling_governor
[12:17] <thewillo> nah it's sitting at 2.2ghz
[12:18] <fallentree> thewillo: what about scaling_driver at that path?
[12:18] <thewillo> it does go up to 2.7, but not stay there
[12:18] <thewillo> intel_pstate
[12:19] <fallentree> yeah... I guess you could try installing cpufreqd and set the performance profile. I don't know if there's a way to do so without it, never toyed with it in that detail.
[12:19] <fallentree> then it'll use cpufreq, not pstates
[12:19] <thewillo> I have cpufreqd on and set to performance
[12:20] <thewillo> i wonder if I can force it by modding the kernel
[12:21] <thewillo> well, I know I can
[12:21] <thewillo> but I wonder if it's a good idea
[12:21] <fallentree> thewillo: there's also /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/turbo_pct and other elements on that path, maybe google for it and see if you can sysctl your way into permanent turbo freq
[12:21] <thewillo> fallentree, thanks
[12:22] <fallentree> chances are the settings are settable from the userland with sysctl, no need to recompile the kernel
[12:22] <thewillo> i'll try that, and if no luck... well I guess I'm making another contribution to linux kernel
[12:22] <TheLawyer> After using multiple terminals and close them all, I try to history grep some commands and found out that history is not showing all what I was doing. are ther any suggestions what i was doing wrong?
[12:22] <TheLawyer> or is it just the nature of ubuntu history!!!
[12:22] <fallentree> thewillo: worst case, you could rebuild the kernel and set the governor directly, unconditionally, to acpi and performance
[12:22] <fallentree> but that's still all settable from the userland anyway
[12:23] <fallentree> TheLawyer: I'd say it's the nature of shell history with multiple shells in general
[12:23] <thewillo> fallentree, yeah, but I have to check what my windows tool sets the voltage to when it's fully loaded to keep it stable,
[12:23] <thewillo> the windows tool does it automatically
[12:24] <thewillo> (scales the voltage)
[12:24] <thewillo> so if I watch the windows tool and load it at 2.7ghz, I'll know what voltage to enforce
[12:24] <fallentree> sounds like a ticket for the fry your cpu movie night :)
[12:25] <fallentree> thewillo: btw, to use cpufreq, the scaling_driver must not be pstate, iirc
[12:25] <hateball> TheLawyer: each time you exit a shell, it overwrites bash_history
[12:25] <fallentree> the defaults are to choose automagically, and you can also block the intel_pstate from being engaged with a kernel command line option, so it's all acpi and cpufreq
[12:26] <thewillo> actually, not that I enabled cpufreqd(I installed it and forgot to enable/start it since this convo started)
[12:26] <thewillo> *now that I enable it, it's staying CLOSE to 2.7
[12:26] <hateball> TheLawyer: other shells like zsh lets you keep persistent history across sessions
[12:26] <thewillo> like 2.55-2.65 while loaded
[12:26] <fallentree> thewillo: installing it starts it and enables it automatically
[12:27] <fallentree> thewillo: question, though. why do you need this? modern CPUs are well capable of automatically setting the right frequency for the task.
[12:27] <thewillo> fallentree, when I tried to use cpufreqd-get it said it wasn't running
[12:27] <fallentree> the scaling overhead is insignificant
[12:27] <thewillo> I just want faster compile times
[12:28] <fallentree> you're not going to see any significant difference
[12:28] <hateball> That's what distcc is for!
[12:28] <thewillo> 2.2 vs 2.7... I think I'll see a difference on a project that takes 7 hours to compile normally
[12:28] <ppf> CPU is _not_ the bottleneck
[12:29] <fallentree> indeed.
[12:29] <lavinho> good afternoon
[12:29] <lavinho> ubuntu 17.04 crashes
[12:29] <lavinho> how to solved ?
[12:29] <thewillo> that is a lot of info there you gave to help solve your problem
[12:30] <fallentree> lavinho: pastebin the output of  `sudo journalctl -p err -n 40`  please
[12:30] <lavinho> what ?
[12:30] <hateball> !paste | lavinho
[12:31] <SchrodingersScat> lavinho: yes, check your logs.  There's at least one known issue that's been causing a lot of trouble ;(
[12:31] <fallentree> thewillo: 2.2 vs 2.7 is 8% difference. That would reflect in the 8% of compiling time difference ONLY if it were only cpu bound, but it isn't. you're going to see much less % of improvement
[12:31] <fallentree> SchrodingersScat: the swapops one?
[12:32] <lavinho> https://pastebin.com/LHZQh7Hg
[12:32] <ppf> fallentree: i concur with your opinion, but you might recheck those numbers :)
[12:32] <SchrodingersScat> fallentree: yessssss. is that fixed now?
[12:32] <thewillo> so if i'm compiling to and from a ramfs the ram is the bottleneck?
[12:33] <ppf> yes
[12:33] <fallentree> ppf: oh lol I misread the calc
[12:33] <fallentree> yah 20% more like it
[12:33] <fallentree> still not gonna be 20% of compile time
[12:33] <fallentree> SchrodingersScat: the new kernel is coming up on June 5th, they said, or you can use the one from zesty-proposed
[12:34] <lavinho> hateball, https://pastebin.com/LHZQh7Hg
[12:34] <SchrodingersScat> fallentree: mine actually hasn't crashed in a while, I'll just deal with it.
[12:35] <fallentree> SchrodingersScat: I disabled swap, but someone in the bug thread said it didn't stop the crash
[12:37] <fallentree> lavinho: that shows logs since last boot (and lots of errors there). also check /var/log/kern.log for error entries right before boot starts with "jun 02 13:23:16"
[12:40] <lavinho> how to solved ?
[12:40] <fallentree> thewillo: well with files in RAM yeah the CPU is becoming a bottleneck
[12:41] <fallentree> lavinho: start with identifying the problem by checking the logs, especially right before it crashed and rebooted
[12:42] <fallentree> thewillo: but good part of the cpu activity is shuffling data around, so increasing cpu freq ain't gonna help much. you need more cores. either by adding chips, upgrading existing one, or use distcc as advised
[12:45] <thewillo> fallentree, I need a whole new computer lol
[12:45] <thewillo> I need to get a proper compiling rig on my local network
[12:47] <lavinho> https://pastebin.com/YcDvubJP
[12:47] <fallentree> thewillo: and if the cost-benefit allows it, you can always spawn temporary AWS instances with lots of cpu for that distcc :)
[12:48] <fallentree> lavinho: your last boot was 13:23:16, so you need to look into kern.log for entries before that time
[13:02] <lavinho> no understand
[13:27] <wadie> Does anyone have any experience with Lenovo battery conservation mode on Ubuntu ?
[13:27] <wadie> It's the mode where battery stays around 55%-60%
[13:35] <TheLawyer> ty fallentree , hateball ... is it possible to change this behavior of bash shell and let it keep all history?
[13:39] <hateball> TheLawyer: you can save all history, but the last shell will still overwrite the previous
[13:40] <hateball> TheLawyer: say you have 10 things in bash history, and open 2 shells. then you run 20 different commands in each shell. only the last shell you close gets those 20 commands saved to the global history
[13:51] <OlofL> Why do I have two of some gnome apps?? http://imgur.com/a/CQpDm
[14:01] <BluesKaj> OlofL, looks like they're just listed twice
[14:35] <sdx23> mh!
[15:14] <parsnip> is there a proper way to have an init script  like `taskdctl start` occur on reboot?
[15:18] <grazfather> hey guys, I am running 16.04 in a headless vm on vbox, but i need a gui for now. i have installed what i need and get to the login screen, but there are no users visible (I can only log in as guest). How do I make it so that my user 'vagrant' shows up?
[15:20] <lucidguy> Where is is logrotate told to rotate the syslog.. I don't see it in /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog  ???
[15:20] <wadie> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2362825&p=13652018#post13652018
[15:21] <lucidguy> There are a few other files being rotated also not mentioned in that file
[15:24] <nacc> lucidguy: what version of ubuntu?
[15:26] <lucidguy> nacc: forget it .. found it.  It was in the file, first line just missed it.
[15:26] <lucidguy> nacc: thanks for responding.
[15:30] <nacc> lucidguy: ah yeah, ok :)
[15:38] <jophish> ls
[15:39] <jophish> I mean, hello
[15:39] <jophish> fallentree: this is happening on other computers too
[15:39] <jophish> I was incorrect in my assumption earlier
[15:40] <jophish> I have four *identical* machinnes
[15:40] <jophish> set up yesterday
[15:40] <john_rambo> Please have a look at this image and and tell me how to fix this https://postimg.org/image/5jwwogrct/
[15:41] <jophish> some can resolve hydra, others cant
[15:42] <nacc> john_rambo: do what it tells you?
[15:42] <jophish> everything always works with 'dig something @192.168.1.1'
[15:43] <john_rambo> nacc, I did apt-get update / upgrade there's nothing left to upgrade
[15:44] <nacc> john_rambo: try `sudo apt-get -f install`
[15:45] <john_rambo> nacc, https://paste2.org/BkFJBa8P
[15:54] <swati_27> Hi.
[15:54] <swati_27> Anyone can please tell me how to access data in HDD partition in ubuntu?
[15:54] <swati_27> using only command line? (I've lost GUI, and I wish to transfer all data to pendrive from New Volume)
[15:57] <akik> swati_27: basically create a mountpoint and mount the storage device into that mountpoint
[15:58] <swati_27> i created a mount point in Desktop/nv
[15:58] <akik> swati_27: use lsblk to see your storage devices
[15:58] <swati_27> i already know the name of partition i want to copy
[15:58] <swati_27> dev/sda5
[15:58] <akik> swati_27: then "sudo mount /dev/sdxn /home/username/Desktop/nv"
[15:59] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aaBpGAJ7/
[16:00] <jophish> So, my dns resolution for local names is very sporadic
[16:00] <akik> swati_27: so it's already mounted?
[16:00] <jophish> I've managed to capture a tcp trace where it starts working in the middle: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/910a6cf31a0210541e64c6a14654af7e
[16:00] <jophish> two failed requests, and two succeeding ones
[16:00] <swati_27> i am not sure akik
[16:01] <jophish> for some reason Ubuntu is deciding not to use two of the DNS servers
[16:01] <akik> swati_27: look into /proc/mounts to see
[16:01] <swati_27> not a directory
[16:01] <akik> swati_27: use cat or less to open it
[16:02] <swati_27> opened
[16:02] <swati_27> it's mounted at a different folder in Desktop
[16:03] <swati_27> but when i ls in folder, it gives nothing
[16:03] <swati_27> akik: it's available now.. Sorry for trouble.
[16:03] <swati_27> akik: Thank you so much.
[16:06] <jophish> fallentree: you might be interested in this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/910a6cf31a0210541e64c6a14654af7e
[16:06] <jophish> I just can't understand why ubuntu would decide from time to time to not use those DNS servers
[16:08] <fallentree> jophish: it's not, you're getting NXDOMAIN from the router
[16:08] <jophish> fallentree: I can't see that
[16:09] <jophish> in the first two lookups, 192.168.1.1 isn't mentioned
[16:09] <jophish> in the last two it's working OK
[16:10] <fallentree> jophish: line 26, your PC is asking for A of faye. line 27, response is given. line 28, resolved (127.0.1.1) is forwarding to requester at 127.0.0.1
[16:10] <jophish> fallentree: yeah, faye and jet worked ok
[16:10] <fallentree> jophish: but before that
[16:10] <jophish> but ed and spike failed, and they never even queried 192.168.1.1
[16:11] <fallentree> jophish: line 20 asked for fqdn, the router responded with NXDOMAIN at line 23
[16:11] <fallentree> jophish: so your router responds with NXDOMAIN to fqdn requests, and with A to non-fqdn requests
[16:12] <jophish> sure, but in the lower two requests my machine eventually asks for faye.
[16:12] <jophish> and it queries 192.168.1.1
[16:12] <fallentree> jophish: for some reason, systemd-resolved is also asking fallback servers (which can't answer of course), probably because it's getting NXDOMAIN from the router
[16:12] <jophish> but that doesn't happen  at all in the other two
[16:13] <jophish> sorry if I'm being dense
[16:13] <fallentree> jophish: it's probably caching NXDOMAIN from before so you don't see the same in this output, you can try turn off the systemd-resolved caching in resolved.conf and see again
[16:14] <jophish> fallentree: ah, so it *could* still be a router issue
[16:14] <fallentree> jophish: from what I understand your problem, and you can verify with dig @192.168.1.1, requesting non-fqdn responds okay, but fqdn doesn't
[16:14] <jophish> fallentree: yes, that's correct
[16:14] <fallentree> jophish: so if your router responds with NXDOMAIN for fqdn requests, that's bad config on the router because it advertises that domain via dhcp for "search"
[16:15] <fallentree> it shouldn't advertise it and then respond to NXDOMAIN for requests
[16:15] <jophish> I wonder what the dnsmasq option is for responding to those
[16:16] <fallentree> jophish: to cut out fallbackdns from polluting your cache with NXDOMAIN (which have a TTL as well!), set FallbackDNS=192.168.1.1, turn off caching, and try again
[16:16] <fallentree> I have to leave now, will be back later.
[16:16] <jophish> cool, thanks fallentree
[16:41] <steven> can I set different dpi
[16:41] <steven> dpi's for different monitors?
[16:43] <ppf> dpi is a physical property of the screen
[16:43] <steven> yeah but I can still change the dpi settings in my OS
[16:43] <steven> and I h ave different screens, they have a different DPI
[16:44] <steven> the OS just assumes it has 96, but thats not the case for one screen so I wanna tell the system to use a different dpi setting on that screen
[16:44] <steven> makes sense ppf ?
[16:46] <nacc> steven: it's not easy, and it often leads to bad behavior -- there is a AskUbuntu question that has a summary, let me see if i can find it
[16:47] <steven> I know how to get the right dpi nacc
[16:47] <nacc> steven: oh then why are you asking us?
[16:47] <steven> just wondering whether I can set the DPI for one monitor only, cos so far all I can see is xrandr --dpi $value
[16:47] <nacc> steven: my comment wasn't about the 'right DPI', but about differing dpi per monitor
[16:47] <steven> but I want that value for only one output device
[16:47] <steven> oh, yeah ok than sorry. go on nacc :D
[16:49] <nacc> steven: https://askubuntu.com/questions/393400/is-it-possible-to-have-two-different-dpi-configurations-for-two-different-screen is what i recall -- i don't think you can set the dpi per monitor in X itself
[16:50] <steven> oh he just scales it
[16:51] <nacc> steven: yeah, i think that's the best solution currently -- but i'm not sure (nor am I an expert)
[16:56] <Jack3k3> hey all, I was using nomachine before in my virtualbox ubuntu machine but recently its become fairly laggy
[16:57] <Jack3k3> any ideas on what would cause this? besides a crappy internet connection (which I don't seem to have)
[17:03] <ppf> Jack3k3: no idea, but are you aware that vbox has a builtin remote desktop?
[17:09] <Jack3k3> no i wasnt
[17:10] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[17:10] <Jack3k3> but i did get some better performance by disableing some on the fly encoding and network speed adjustments
[17:10] <Jack3k3> so should be fine
[17:10] <philm88> Hey all. I'm trying to set up a rsyslog.d rule that will create per-container log files for docker containers. This is my rsyslog.d/10-docker.conf: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9023383 -- I did a service rsyslog restart but docker is still logging to /var/log/syslog - anyone spot anything I've missed or know how to debug this?
[17:16] <nacc> philm88: what version of ubuntu?
[17:20] <philm88> nacc: 16.04
[17:23] <nacc> philm88: hrm, the syntax you are using isn't mentiond at all on http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man5/rsyslog.conf.5.html
[17:24] <nacc> philm88: are you sure it's correct? (or where did you derive it from)?
[17:25] <philm88> nacc: ... I may or may not....more may than may not...have just blindly copied it from a github gist
[17:25]  * philm88 reads tfm and starts again
[17:26] <nacc> philm88: sorry for that! i'm just wondering if rsyslog is seeing your file, and saying ... 'welp, can't use this!'
[17:26] <nacc> philm88: I genuinely don't know
[17:27] <philm88> I kept an eye on the various logs to see if syslog did chuck a 'welp' in there - but it made no mention of the config file so I just assumed it was ok with it
[17:30] <nacc> philm88: yeah, given the level rsyslog operates at (and given it is the logger itself), I'm not sure how it handles bad conf. you could also run rsyslogd in debug mode, in the foreground
[17:31] <nacc> philm88: oh! ther is also `rsyslogd -N`
[17:33] <philm88> nacc: thanks, I'll give that a go
[17:36] <MWM> I am tryig to find the correct procedure to remove the stock gpu driver from 16.04 so I can install the driver package directly from AMD.
[17:36] <MWM> so fat I have done:  lshw -c video to find what the stock driver is but I am not sure if I have found the correct package to remove.
[17:52] <RenegadeZed> hello, how do i fix a black screen after a fresh install of lubuntu. was booting just fine from the usb key in "try" mode
[17:52] <RenegadeZed> laptop is toshiba satellite m70 .. graphic is radeon xpress 200m
[17:52] <nacc> !nomodeset
[17:52] <nacc> RenegadeZed: --^ try that
[17:53] <RenegadeZed> tried nomodeset yesterday, doesn't work
[17:53] <RenegadeZed> it's by default what recovery menu uses
[17:54] <vimar> Hi
[17:56] <ioria> RenegadeZed, which lubuntu version ?
[17:57] <RenegadeZed> last one, which is 17.04 iirc
[17:57] <ioria> RenegadeZed, are you fully upgraded ?
[17:58] <RenegadeZed> what do you mean?
[17:58] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:58] <RenegadeZed> i'm a noob btw, don't assume i know anything about lubuntu, i started 2 days ago
[17:59] <RenegadeZed> where do i need to enter these?
[17:59] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  in terminal
[17:59] <RenegadeZed> root&
[17:59] <RenegadeZed> ?*
[17:59] <RenegadeZed> is the terminal ctrl alt f1?
[18:00] <RenegadeZed> i can't access it, when the screen goes black, the computer looks like it's in hibernating mode, power button flashing orange, no light to show HDD activity
[18:00] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  you can find it in  menu or alt+f2 and type lxterminal
[18:00] <ioria> RenegadeZed, ha, ok
[18:01] <Jordan_U> RenegadeZed: Did you ever try adding GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console to /etc/default/grub then running "sudo update-grub"?
[18:01] <tgm4883> ioria: finding it in the menu would be pretty difficult with a black screen ;)
[18:01] <RenegadeZed> jordan! good morning!
[18:01] <ioria> tgm4883, yep, sy
[18:01] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  i'd try to open a console ?
[18:01] <RenegadeZed> havent tried that, how would a noob do these things? hold shift for grub, then ?
[18:02] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  as you said, ctrl alt f1
[18:02] <RenegadeZed> ctrl alt f1 doesnt work in grub
[18:02] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  not in grub
[18:03] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  boot the system, wait a minute, and try to open a console
[18:03] <RenegadeZed> computer isnt responding when screen goes black, tried ctrl alt f1 already
[18:04] <RenegadeZed> but, jordan_u how do i add the console thing to the default/grub thing
[18:04] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  your card is supported by radeon, so there should be something else .... try Recovery from grub -> advanced options -> root shell
[18:05] <RenegadeZed> booting recovery as we speak
[18:05]  * pavlushka crossed his finger on this
[18:05] <RenegadeZed> in root
[18:05] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  and if you can't open a console it's not only a graphic issue, i guess
[18:06] <tgm4883> I think the "power button flashing orange, no light to show HDD activity" would indicate it's not a graphics issue and that the computer is going to sleep/hibernate
[18:06] <RenegadeZed> tgm yep, it looks and feels like this, not sure why
[18:07] <RenegadeZed> but it boots perfectly fine with the "try mode" from usb key
[18:07] <tgm4883> ACPI issues maybe?
[18:07] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  you can try acpi=off
[18:07] <RenegadeZed> i type that in root?
[18:07] <tgm4883> ioria: +1
[18:07] <jazmanZzZ> Hey. The past month or so, certain sites (reddit / imgur / freecodecamp) won't load (intermintent). Pinging doesnt resolve their hostnames. I tried switching to google nameservers via resolv.conf but no change.
[18:07] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  but it does not explain the behaviour ...
[18:08] <jazmanZzZ> The problem happens.. I don't know, 3 or 4 times a month. After 20 in to 1 hourish, the sites come back up as normal
[18:08] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  no, you need to set it in the grub kernel line
[18:08] <jazmanZzZ> The only real info I have about the problem is that when I can't access reddit, I also cannot access imgur
[18:09] <RenegadeZed> just a reminder, im a noob, i need specific details, don't assume i know where to type stuff lol
[18:09] <RenegadeZed> ok so pressed e on ubuntu from grub to edit
[18:10] <RenegadeZed> replace quiet splash?
[18:10] <pavlushka> I think that's a good idea for troubleshooting
[18:11] <spider_x> RenegadeZed: I remember there being a GUI program to edit the grub stuff, like changing the background image and so on.
[18:11] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  you'll something like this : https://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[18:11] <SummitRidge> hey, how do i, using only CLI, set it up so a volume auto mounts on startup?
[18:12] <RenegadeZed> by default recovery has nomodeset in it
[18:12] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  why ?
[18:12] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  ho, yes
[18:12] <SummitRidge> because nomodeset is a neccesary flag for some systems ioria
[18:12] <pavlushka> SummitRidge: set mountpoints for that patition on /etc/fstab
[18:12] <ioria> SummitRidge, yeah
[18:12] <SummitRidge> i remember my system used to not boot with an nvidia gpu before installing the nvidia closed driver
[18:13] <SummitRidge> without nomodeset
[18:13] <SummitRidge> pavlushka, thank you, can it be mounted into any location i want, say, /home/myuser/directory name here?
[18:13] <SummitRidge> instead of in /mnt?
[18:14] <RenegadeZed> Jordan_U, are you available?
[18:14] <ioria> RenegadeZed, have you tried resume from recovery menu ?
[18:14] <pavlushka> SummitRidge: yes, create the directory you wish and set that as your partition mount point
[18:14] <RenegadeZed> yes, ioria, in fact we tried a lot of stuff yesterdat OMG
[18:14] <RenegadeZed> it booted
[18:14] <SummitRidge> what permissions should the directory have?
[18:15] <RenegadeZed> acpi=off added before quiet splash
[18:15] <ioria> RenegadeZed, ok, if desktop loads, open lxterminal so we can have a look at your sys
[18:16] <pavlushka> RenegadeZed: you better remove that "quiet splash"
[18:16] <RenegadeZed> hmm looks like the direct wire connection to internet isnt working
[18:17] <RenegadeZed> how do i open a lxterminal?
[18:17] <RenegadeZed> first time on the actual desktop lol
[18:17] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  you can find it in  menu -> system settings or alt+f2 and type lxterminal
[18:18] <solarbee> Every time I restart (16.04), my system "forgets" which monitor is primary and where they are positioned. Using nVidia 375.66 drivers, and they save the config to /etc/X11/xorg.conf. How can I make it remember permanently?
[18:19] <RenegadeZed> ok now that lxterminal is opened, what do i do? im so excited XD
[18:19] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  sudo lshw -C Video | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:20] <pavlushka> SummitRidge: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[18:20] <ioria> RenegadeZed, ha, no connection ?
[18:20] <SummitRidge> ok pavlushka i've partitioned the second drive with fdisk, i now have /dev/sdb1, so sudo nano /etc/fstab and add an entry for /dev/sdb1 pointed to the folder i made in /home?
[18:20] <SummitRidge> how do i mount it myself afterwards so i dont have to restart the system?
[18:20] <RenegadeZed> ioria, kept getting a disconnect message
[18:21] <RenegadeZed> turned off the wifi for now, thought it was effing up the wired connection
[18:21] <RenegadeZed> but still nothing
[18:21] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  suso systemctl restart network-manager
[18:21] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  sudo systemctl restart network-manager
[18:22] <pavlushka> SummitRidge: for now you just mount that to that folder manually like this, "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /location_of_your_desired_folder"
[18:23] <SummitRidge> pavlushka, thanks, i'm not familiar with the commandline, as much as i should be
[18:23] <pavlushka> SummitRidge: me too :p
[18:23] <SummitRidge> just picked up a cheap dedicated server from sys, setting up the second disk since i dont need raid1
[18:23] <RenegadeZed> it's doing the circle dance at the bottom
[18:23] <SummitRidge> if you choose not to use raid1 the second disk is left unpartitioned
[18:23] <SummitRidge> so... having to sort this out
[18:24] <RenegadeZed> and keeps showing that black window that says network disconnected
[18:24] <pavlushka> SummitRidge: aha
[18:24] <RenegadeZed> i'll go get another ethernet cable gimme a few seconds
[18:24] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  it's your router set for dhcp ?
[18:25] <GP_MikeD> I have a strange issue where some users have group X as their secondary group, but cannot view a directory with X as the group and permissions rwxrwx---    .... can anyone explain the reason?
[18:25] <ioria> RenegadeZed, you can try a static/manual connection
[18:25] <SummitRidge> er.... i have no idea what partition type the new disk is now using
[18:25] <SummitRidge> fdisk just says Linux when i -l it lol
[18:26] <pavlushka> GP_MikeD: that X group has no ownership to that folder I guess
[18:26] <SummitRidge> pavlushka,  any idea on that one?
[18:26] <GP_MikeD> pavlushka, it does. It's group X
[18:27] <nacc> GP_MikeD: they need permissions all the way up the path too
[18:27] <nacc> GP_MikeD: you need to provide more details (an example) really
[18:27] <GP_MikeD> If I change the users' primary group to X, then they can enter the dir without issue
[18:27] <pavlushka> GP_MikeD: you can check that by "sudo ls -l /that_folder"
[18:27] <ElectrumGuy> hi, why is this crontab not working: @reboot sh ~/startup_scripts/startup_sockshub1.sh
[18:27] <ElectrumGuy> however, if I do ~/startup_scripts/startup_sockshub1.sh the script starts up fine.
[18:28] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: don't use relative paths in a crontab
[18:28] <ElectrumGuy> nacc, i'll try it without one.
[18:28] <ElectrumGuy> lets see.
[18:28] <SummitRidge> pavlushka, ok, i think i have a valid fstab entry, can you double check my work for me pretty please?
[18:28] <RenegadeZed> ioria, everything is stock from videotron, not sure if anything is set for linux
[18:29] <ElectrumGuy> nacc, it is still not starting.
[18:29] <GP_MikeD> OK, here's my example            drwxrwxr-x  44 500 gotprint  44 Jun  2 04:36 2017-06-02
[18:29] <RenegadeZed> how do i make a static manual connection6
[18:29] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: did you change ~ ?
[18:29] <ElectrumGuy> I have the same command in /etc/rc.local and it works fine, but it starts it as root.
[18:29] <GP_MikeD> gotprint is the group
[18:29] <ElectrumGuy> I want to start it as a user.
[18:29] <SummitRidge> pavlushka, this is what i have /dev/sdb1       /home/summitridge/driveD ext4 defaults  0 2
[18:29] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: then use the system crontab and specify the user to run as
[18:29] <ElectrumGuy> nacc, I have the absolute path: @reboot sh /home/jorged/startup_scripts/startup_sockshub1.sh
[18:29] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  click on the network icon -> edit connection -> ipv4 tab -> manual
[18:29] <GP_MikeD> Sorry, 1 level deeper
[18:29] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: sh is a relative path
[18:30] <GP_MikeD> Example:    drwxrwx--- 4 500 gotprint 4 Jun  1 19:59 40006157
[18:30] <ElectrumGuy> so I'll need to specify that, ok.
[18:30] <GP_MikeD> gotprint is the group for the directory
[18:30] <ElectrumGuy> nacc, do you know the absolute path for shell?
[18:30] <ElectrumGuy> on ubuntu 14.04?
[18:30] <nacc> GP_MikeD: use a pastebin, show the permissions of hte directory, group membership, etc. of all the path members
[18:30] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: `which sh`
[18:31] <GP_MikeD> when a user has gotprint as a secondary group, they have no permissions to that dir. However, when I change the user's primary group to gotprint, it works.
[18:31] <ElectrumGuy> thank you.
[18:31] <nacc> GP_MikeD: are the users logging out/in after the group membership change(s)
[18:32] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  the you need to pick an ip , set netmask 255.255.255.0 , enter your router ip (gateway) and set dns 8.8.8.8
[18:32] <ElectrumGuy> nacc, so on the user I want to run this script on
[18:32] <ElectrumGuy> I am doing "crontab -e"
[18:32] <ElectrumGuy> first line is this: @reboot /bin/sh /home/jorged/startup_scripts/startup_sockshub1.sh
[18:32] <ElectrumGuy> but it still refuses to start.
[18:32] <ElectrumGuy> My goal is to run that .sh script as a specific user (jorged).
[18:33] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: and you are testing this by rebooting?
[18:33] <ElectrumGuy> yes sudo @reboot
[18:33] <ElectrumGuy> sudo reboot*
[18:33] <johnnyfive> Howdy, I have a bunch of questions about how apt-get behaves when looking for updates to a package. Is this the right place to ask, or is there another, more specific channel, I should go to?
[18:33] <GP_MikeD> yes
[18:33] <nacc> johnnyfive: what are your questions?
[18:33] <ElectrumGuy> nacc, I am doing sudo reboot so yes.
[18:34] <RenegadeZed> how does one find the gateway ip
[18:34] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: hrm
[18:34] <ElectrumGuy> If I can use /etc/rc.local I know that works
[18:34] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  it's your router ...
[18:34] <ElectrumGuy> but I do not want to run it as root
[18:34] <ElectrumGuy> I want to run it as jorged.
[18:35] <johnnyfive> I have a scenario where I want to compile a bunch of the repo myself, and then host a private repo of those packages. No patches to software, just compiled slightly differently, resulting in new hashes for the same version of each package.
[18:35] <RenegadeZed> its a router provided by my ISP
[18:35] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: do you see anything in the logs (syslog) about reboot jobs being skipped or othewrise?
[18:35] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  yes, and it has an ip
[18:35] <RenegadeZed> which i don't know lol
[18:35] <johnnyfive> If I point apt-get to my repo, and tell it to reinstall some packages, will there be some issues b/c the SHA's are no longer the same compared to other repos?
[18:36] <RenegadeZed> i'm trying 192.168.1.1 in browser address
[18:36] <ElectrumGuy> nacc, I do not. If I did su - jorged -c commandhere in rc.local
[18:36] <ElectrumGuy> would it run that command as jorged?
[18:36] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  yeah
[18:36] <RenegadeZed> doesnt work
[18:36] <RenegadeZed> whats the netstat command prompt in windows again?
[18:36] <johnnyfive> And are there any other gotchas in that scenario I may be overlooking?
[18:37] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  run   'route'   in terminal   (without quotes)
[18:37] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: also, do you have a file /var/run/crond.reboot ?
[18:37] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: You couldn't just replace the debs. You'd need to regenerate the rest of the repo stuff
[18:37] <letty> ElectrumGuy: try @reboot sleep 5 && ...
[18:37] <johnnyfive> tgm4883, that's planned as well
[18:37] <RenegadeZed> route not installed
[18:37] <nacc> johnnyfive: you're not going to reversion the debs?
[18:38] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: then I don't see why there would be an issue. You'd need to trust them as well
[18:38] <johnnyfive> nacc, no
[18:38] <nacc> johnnyfive: if you're going to reversion the debs, then I don't understand your question at all
[18:38] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  and please highlight  the nick of the person you're talking to
[18:38] <nacc> johnnyfive: then you're doing it wrong.
[18:38] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: I'm not sure why you wouldn't reversion the debs
[18:38] <tgm4883> nacc: +1
[18:38] <nacc> johnnyfive: as you're lying about what you are doing
[18:38] <ElectrumGuy> letty, trying it.
[18:38] <nacc> johnnyfive: lying to apt, that is :)
[18:38] <johnnyfive> We are? It's the same software, just recompiled
[18:38] <nacc> johnnyfive: which is *not* the same software.
[18:39] <nacc> johnnyfive: same source package, different binary package
[18:39] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: you need to add a revision
[18:39] <nacc> johnnyfive: so you should rev it
[18:39] <RenegadeZed> ioria how do i do that? highlight your name
[18:39] <tgm4883> something like 5.8-0ubuntu1+johnnyfive
[18:39] <ElectrumGuy> letty, that worked!!!!
[18:39] <RenegadeZed> i think i'm connmected to internet
[18:39] <johnnyfive> Ok, so then we're lying to apt-get. The issue is we can't revision, because we may make 100s of the same package recompiled
[18:39] <letty> ElectrumGuy: woot
[18:39] <johnnyfive> that'd create a dependency nightmare
[18:39] <tgm4883> I think that would be the correct addition
[18:39] <nacc> johnnyfive: even rebuilds require a new version
[18:39] <ElectrumGuy> letty, I bet its because its on a ssd?
[18:39] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  ping www.google.com
[18:40] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: no it wouldn't create a dependency nightmare
[18:40] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: oh do you have /home on its own partition?
[18:40] <ElectrumGuy> no.
[18:40] <letty> ElectrumGuy: no idea why but i find things work @reboot better after a small sleep
[18:40] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: out of curiosity, why are you recompiling a bunch of packages anyway
[18:40] <johnnyfive> No? I guess I should read up on revision for debs
[18:40] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: cron runs @reboot jobs right when cron starts
[18:40] <letty> especially if they are network related
[18:40] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: read `man 5 crontab`
[18:40] <Sleaker> having a wierd issue on a customized kickstart.
[18:40] <johnnyfive> tgm4883, binary scrambling for security
[18:40] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: @reboot runs *really* early in the system process (before anything is mounted potentailly)
[18:41] <nacc> johnnyfive: and you understand that you are not supported here once you do this?
[18:41] <Sleaker> ethernet detection works on the base 14.04.5 disk, but in my customized version the driver fails to load with unknown symbol errors.
[18:41] <johnnyfive> nacc, yes, we've already done it for the entire centos repo
[18:41] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: what security does that add?
[18:41] <johnnyfive> next up is ubuntu/debian
[18:41] <ElectrumGuy> nacc, does crontab run the commands in it in sequence or in parallel?
[18:42] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: i believe in the order listed
[18:42] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: the file is parsed in that order, at least
[18:42] <RenegadeZed> ioria name or service not know
[18:42] <RenegadeZed> known*
[18:42] <nacc> johnnyfive: so you're shadowing an entire distribution?
[18:42] <johnnyfive> yes
[18:42] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  you're not connected
[18:42] <nacc> johnnyfive: then do whatever you want, it's not really an ubuntu topic :)
[18:43] <nacc> johnnyfive: you're going to rebuild all of ubuntu, you can do what you want with it
[18:43] <nacc> johnnyfive: but you need to host the entire repository, including all the hashes
[18:43] <johnnyfive> uh, well understanding how ubuntu works is an ubuntu topic, that's all i'm trying to understand
[18:43] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  you need your router ip  to set it as gateway
[18:43] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: nacc he doesn't need to host the entire repository. Just everything that he rebuilds
[18:43] <johnnyfive> yea, we are planning on it, I just am trying to understand how apt-get will behave when pointed at a repo that has all the packages/hashes recompiled/recomputed
[18:44] <nacc> tgm4883: oh true
[18:44] <RenegadeZed> i can get that form my PC on windows?
[18:44] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: it wouldn't care as long as you add the signatures to the PC's you're going to update
[18:44] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  yes
[18:44] <nacc> tgm4883: how does that work for by-hash? if they don't reversion, won't the two repositories disagree about the hash for the same versioned package?
[18:44] <pavlushka> Where's my client SummitRidge :(
[18:45] <tgm4883> nacc: oh, good point. Hmm, I'm not sure how that would be handled
[18:45] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  but also in its manual
[18:45] <tgm4883> nacc: I guess another reason to add a revision
[18:45] <johnnyfive> Exactly my question...
[18:45] <Sleaker> anyone able to help or point in direction on how to resolve the net issue?
[18:45] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  netstat -r
[18:45] <nacc> johnnyfive: right, but that question itself is not a 'supported' ubuntu thing -- you don't rebuild and not reversion in ubuntu
[18:45] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: that was not really your question. If you're hosting the entire repository then it doesn't matter
[18:46] <nacc> johnnyfive: you can probably post a forum (askubuntu) question about apt -- but i really don't think it will work without changing the version. Also, how would apt know which version to install if it sees two packages with the same version?
[18:46] <nacc> johnnyfive: i guess you can pin your repo higher?
[18:46] <johnnyfive> well in centos you can tell it to prioritize a specific repo
[18:46] <nacc> johnnyfive: that might be how it would resolve, but i'm not sure
[18:46] <johnnyfive> which is what I assumed we could do in ubuntu
[18:46] <tgm4883> nacc: if he's hosting the entire repo, then it doesn't matter.
[18:46] <RenegadeZed> ioria why the netmask keeps chaning in my options even tho i made it 255.255.255.0
[18:46] <nacc> tgm4883: right
[18:47] <nacc> johnnyfive: i guess try it and see?
[18:47] <nacc> johnnyfive: should be possible to try it with one package
[18:47] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  netstat -r     what's the output ?
[18:47] <johnnyfive> yep, already in the works ;)
[18:47] <RenegadeZed> ioria 192.168.0.186
[18:47] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: if you host the entire repo, rebuild parts of it, and then recreate the repo parts, Then it would work fine as long as you A) Add the signing stuff to the pc's you're going to update. and B) Disable the official repos
[18:48] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  try that as gateway
[18:48] <johnnyfive> That's what I was hoping for. Thanks nacc tgm4883 !
[18:48] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: anything outside of that is both A) going to need you to figure it out, and B) is off topic for this channel I would guess
[18:48] <johnnyfive> That's all I was looking for
[18:48] <nacc> tgm4883: yep, that seems right
[18:48] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  and your ip  should be like 192.168.0.188
[18:48] <tgm4883> I'm still unsure of why one would want to scramble their binaries, which is an honest question
[18:49] <nacc> johnnyfive: the conflict would only exist if you had the same binary package in two repos, i think
[18:49] <SummitRidge> pavlushka,  success!
[18:49] <SummitRidge> i had to chmod the mount point so i could actually write to it, for some reason
[18:49] <SummitRidge> but i got it working
[18:50] <SummitRidge> man, remembering all this shit about *nix is sorta hard
[18:50] <johnnyfive> tgm4883, I don't understand all of it myself tbh, but from what I understand it changes the memory footprint for every package, reducing known attack vectors
[18:51] <nacc> johnnyfive: did you mean address randomization?
[18:51] <johnnyfive> Is that not what I said?
[18:51] <RenegadeZed> i've tried a lot of combinations
[18:51] <nacc> johnnyfive: binary scrambling would be... changing the binary you run
[18:51] <RenegadeZed> not much working
[18:51] <nacc> johnnyfive: address randomization happens at runtime
[18:51] <RenegadeZed> ioria, maybe the driver for networking isn't installed properly? idk
[18:51] <nacc> johnnyfive: on my intuitive reading of the terms :)
[18:52] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  cable should work out of the box
[18:52] <nacc> johnnyfive: also, the kernel already does aslr in ubuntu (afaik)
[18:52] <johnnyfive> Yes, ASLR however has many caveats
[18:52] <tgm4883> johnnyfive: yea binary randomization means something completely different to me
[18:53] <ioria> RenegadeZed,  can you ping your router ?
[18:54] <johnnyfive> All I know is Chris Fraser of LCC fame wrote a new compiler that scrambles the end result in a way that reduces the attack vectors for known exploits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCC_(compiler)
[18:54] <johnnyfive> I myself am learning the technology as well, so that's all I got. Thanks for the tips!
[18:57] <hackel> Is there any way to enable unattended-upgrades for snaps?
[18:57] <RenegadeZed_> ioria, doesn't look to be working
[18:57] <RenegadeZed_> ioria, says unreachable
[18:58] <RenegadeZed_> great lol
[19:01] <Zalabaslea> hi im running ubuntu 17.04
[19:12] <buhduh> exit
[19:13] <mzaza> Hello, I installed NodeJS on a server and add the reposotories for yarn and installed it. Then I un-installed yarn and tried installing npm, however I get this error when trying to install it. https://pastebin.com/ryXhfmP7
[19:16] <badet0s> any recommendations for a good supported wifi usb adapter ?
[19:17] <nacc> mzaza: more than likel you didn't purge everyting from this external repo (I don't know what yarn is)
[19:18] <dm_comp> badet0s: I have this one and it does the job https://www.amazon.com/Panda-300Mbps-Wireless-USB-Adapter/dp/B00EQT0YK2
[19:18] <mzaza> nacc: I found a file in source.list.d for called yarn.list and I went ahead and deleted it. I didn't find any thing for yarn in source.list and I will try updating the repo.
[19:19] <badet0s> dm_comp: thx
[19:19] <nacc> mzaza: um, that's not how you delete a repository
[19:19] <nacc> mzaza: well, i mean it literally is, but it's not what you watned to do
[19:19] <Jordan_U> mzaza: Deleting an entry in sorces.list.d doesn't remove any of the packages you installed from that repo.
[19:19] <nacc> mzaza: all you did was remove apt's knowledge of your repository
[19:19] <nacc> mzaza: every package from that repo that you installed is still installed
[19:19] <nacc> Jordan_U: said far more concisely :)
[19:20] <mzaza> nacc: Jordan_U what should I do :D ?
[19:21] <Jordan_U> mzaza: Add the entry back then use ppa-purge which will remove all packages from that repo (or revert them to the versions in the default repositories, take note of that possibility!) and will then remove the source from sources.list.d/ .
[19:23] <mzaza> Jordan_U: I will try that out. Thanks ;)
[19:30] <Jordan_U> mzaza: You're welcome.
[19:40] <mzaza> Jordan_U: I try ppa-purge -h https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian/
[19:40] <mzaza> Jordan_U: https://yarnpkg.com/lang/en/docs/install/, that's the step i followed for installation
[19:42] <ioria> mzaza, have you tried sudo apt purge yarn ?
[19:42] <mzaza> ioria: Yes, I did that and it caused me some problem while trying to install npm.
[19:43] <ioria> !info npm
[19:43] <mzaza> ioria: https://pastebin.com/ryXhfmP7
[19:44] <ioria> mzaza, so if you run apt purge yarn   what you got ?
[19:44] <Sleaker> hmm so no one knows anything about the installer media in here and can help with driver detection issues?
[19:48] <Jordan_U> mzaza: OK, and did ppa-purge report success?
[19:48] <mzaza> Jordan_U: No, I could even use it.
[19:48] <mzaza> *couldn't
[19:48] <ioria> it's not a ppa, i guess
[19:48] <Jordan_U> mzaza: Why did you pass "-h"?
[19:48] <mzaza> https://yarnpkg.com/lang/en/docs/install/
[19:50] <mzaza> ioria: That's what I get while using apt purge https://pastebin.com/4WiqPbjJ and the problem I mentioned earlier stil persists.
[19:50] <mzaza> Jordan_U: That's the steps i followed while installing yarn https://yarnpkg.com/lang/en/docs/install/
[19:50] <Jordan_U> mzaza: Looks like ppa-purge really only does expect ppas, and that repository is not a ppa.
[19:51] <Jordan_U> mzaza: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[19:51] <ioria> mzaza,  and sudo apt autoremove ?
[19:53] <wadie> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2362825&p=13652018#post13652018
[19:53] <Jordan_U> mzaza: You can use https://serverfault.com/questions/252333/list-all-packages-from-a-repository-in-ubuntu-debian to find all of the packages you need to remove or revert from that repository with a little modification, but unfortunately I need to leave now so I cannot help you further today.
[19:55] <mzaza> ioria: nothing go uninstalled.
[19:55] <ioria> mzaza,  dpkg -l | grep yarn
[19:57] <mzaza> ioria: nothing
[19:57] <ioria> mzaza,  dpkg -l | grep npm
[19:59] <mzaza> ioria: nothing too
[19:59] <mzaza> ioria: but there is nodejs and i purged it too
[20:01] <ioria> mzaza,  apt-cache policy nodejs
[20:02] <mzaza> ioria: https://pastebin.com/64hjVFKX
[20:03] <ioria> !info nodejs xenial
[20:03] <mzaza> ioria: and that's for yarn https://pastebin.com/DFBKSNy3
[20:03] <wadie> can someone give advice on limiting the battery charge ?
[20:04] <ioria> mzaza,  have you removed the .list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d  ?
[20:05] <mzaza> ioria: I did remove the list of yarn and then re-downloaded it again. So now it's still there. Regarding nodejs I didn't delete any source.
[20:05] <ioria> mzaza,  are you on xenial ? yes ?
[20:08] <ioria> mzaza,  you need to remove the source in /etc/apt/sources.list or in sources.list.d
[20:10] <DaemonFC> Hey guys, I had a problem with bug 1670336 where it doesn't set up an encrypted swap file in a way that it can be used later and the system hangs for a couple of minutes on reboot. I used the workaround provided to get the system to boot without hanging, but the system still leaves an error that it "failed to activate /swapfile".
[20:10] <DaemonFC> Any idea on how to fix this? (I suppose that Ubuntu should release new installers because this is breaking a feature of the installer quite badly.
[20:16] <coffeeguy> hi i'm running ubuntu 16.04 in vm on windows 10 host, i keep getting ubuntu system error dialog box with a report option..is there anything i can do Or just keep updating till the bug is fixed?
[20:16] <ikonia> depends why you're getting the error/whats failing
[20:16] <coffeeguy> running unity and it usually pops up on start up
[20:17] <coffeeguy> hm how would i find that our sys log?
[20:17] <ikonia> syslog is a good option, the xlog is good too (your session not the overall one) normally you get a bit of detail on the popup too
[20:17] <m0d> happy friday guyz
[20:17] <Ichimusai> m0d: Back at ya! :)
[20:22] <m0d> thanks.
[20:25] <coffeeguy> hmm i'm going to reboot ubuntu and see if i get the error again on startup ty
[20:25] <wadie>  My laptop is usually connected to power and therefore I would like it to stop charging around 80% or maybe stay in the range of 55%-60%..any ideas ?
[20:26] <ikonia> wadie: it's not going to happen
[20:26] <ikonia> wadie: that is hardware controlled over software normally
[20:27] <senaa> fer
[20:27] <ikonia> your hardware should control the charging cycle/battery conditioning
[20:27] <Zta> How do I run the disk partitioning tool used during the installation of my Ubuntu Server?
[20:27] <wadie> ikonia, then what is this http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html
[20:28] <wadie> I've seen some solutions for this, but I need something that works for 16.04 on lenovo ideapad
[20:28] <ikonia> wadie: what about it ?
[20:30] <wadie> ikonia, TLP has a battery charge threshold feature for thinkpads and IBMs
[20:30] <wadie> so it exists. it's possible.
[20:30] <ikonia> yes, and that page says it works with 16.04
[20:30] <wadie> but I guess not ideapad
[20:30] <ikonia> however as I've said, this is not the norm, and I wouldn't be surprised if this broke on a regular basis
[20:30] <wadie> that was my questions
[20:30] <ikonia> the thinkpads are quite uninuqe in what IBM providers
[20:30] <ikonia> provides
[20:30] <wadie> ikonia, it exists on Lenovo settings windows 7, 8.1 and 10
[20:30] <ikonia> and how much is open/known
[20:31] <Betlehem> hmmm
[20:31] <wadie> and it works on all lenovo laptops
[20:31] <ikonia> wadie: you're not using windows though....
[20:31] <Ichimusai> Zta: Read the guide http://ubuntuserverguide.com/2013/02/manual-disk-partition-guide-for-ubuntu-server-edition.html
[20:31] <wadie> but you said it's related to hardware..so it's not ;)
[20:31] <ikonia> wadie: no, I didn't say that
[20:32] <wadie>  your hardware should control the charging cycle/battery conditioning
 wadie: that is hardware controlled over software normally
[20:32] <Zta> Ichimusai: That's the tool I want. How do I start it from the shell?
[20:32] <ikonia> wadie: thats right, it's "normally controller via hardware over software"
[20:32] <wadie> so basically you don't know of an alternative for Ubuntu, correct ?
[20:32] <DaemonFC> wadie, The Lenovo Companion on Windows installs a system service that stops the battery from charging to more than 60% if that's what you want it to do, but there is no such utility for Linux. The battery still can't be overcharged on a modern system because the hardware won't allow it.
[20:33] <wadie> DaemonFC now that's a better answer :)
[20:33] <ikonia> wadie: there are thinkpad tools for Linux yes, however as I've said, you'll find they will be hit and miss and are targeted at the thinkpad
[20:33] <wadie> DaemonFC, did you check TLP that I linked to ?
[20:33] <ikonia> and again the battery is normally controlled via hardware so I'm not sure what you're trying to do
[20:34] <DaemonFC> So, basically, it'll stop at 100% no matter what OS you use, but I don't think there's a way to keep it below 100% if you're plugged in. The battery itself stops you from charging to 100% if you're just a few % below though. This seems to confuse Linux distributions because they will say something like "96% charged 12 minutes to full".
[20:34] <DaemonFC> Then the time keeps going up.
[20:34] <DaemonFC> But it's harmless. It's the same thing as Windows saying "Plugged in, not charging.".
[20:35] <wadie> DaemonFC, except for when the battery is heating on 100% then it's not healthy
[20:35] <wadie> usually it's not a problem to have a 100% all the time
[20:35] <DaemonFC> The battery stops taking a charge and the laptop starts running off of AC at or near 100% though.
[20:35] <DaemonFC> So it shouldn't reach a point where oerheating is a concern.
[20:35] <wadie> DaemonFC, I've read otherwise from different sources
[20:36] <DaemonFC> The 60% option in Windows with Lenovo is there because the battery wear is slightly less if you don't store it with a full charge all the time.
[20:36] <wadie> and I guess there's a reason Lenovo would offer such a feature..
[20:36] <DaemonFC> It toggles a setting on the battery's firmware though. That's all it does.
[20:36] <wadie> the battery's lifespan would be maximized I guess
[20:36] <DaemonFC> So someone could _probably_ write a program for other operating systems that does that.
[20:37] <wadie> hmm ok
[20:37] <coffeeguy>  iknonia i think i fixed it , i set the ubuntu guest to a set resolution?? i dunno i don't get system error at start up also there was an update yesterday
[20:37] <wadie> thanks for the explanation, I appreciate DaemonFC :)
[20:37] <DaemonFC> Lenovo is pretty openly hostile towards Linux though, so if you can even install it at all, it's hit or miss.
[20:37] <ikonia> coffeeguy: excellent, well done
[20:37] <coffeeguy> :)
[20:38] <wadie> I hate it when people here say what you're trying to do isn't possible, what you want doesn't make sense and stuff like that..you either understand and try to explain or don't say anything
[20:38] <wadie> DaemonFC, true
[20:38] <DaemonFC> After my complaint to the Illinois Attorney General, they released new BIOS firmware for 3 laptops and made the Yoga 910 capable of installing Linux by toggling storage mode, but I heard from someone else that he got a laptop with no BIOS fix available, so they might be at it again.
[20:38] <DaemonFC> Fly by night company through and through.
[20:38] <ikonia> wadie: is what you want to do possible on linux on your hardware ?
[20:38] <wadie> It is ikonia
[20:38] <ikonia> wadie: how do you do it ?
[20:39] <DaemonFC> wadie, You may want to use powertop's auto-tune and set it to run on each boot to optimize the tunable settings.
[20:39] <Sleaker> really really need help with this.
[20:39] <DaemonFC> I managed to get the battery power consumption down quite a bit vs. defaults. That will probably save you more wear than anything.
[20:39] <wadie> ikonia, DaemonFC can explain it better for you if you really wanna know :)
[20:39] <ikonia> wadie: no, I'd like you to explain
[20:39] <ikonia> wadie: as so far I've not seen any information that shows how you can do it on linux on your hardware
[20:39] <Sleaker> Trying to debug why a customized ubuntu kickstart isn't loading network drivers but the original 14.04.5 disk does.
[20:40] <nacc> Sleaker: is it the same kernel/initrd in both cases?
[20:40] <Sleaker> i get mii_ethtool_sset module not found errors on my kickstart, but the kernel images look indentical.
[20:40] <Sleaker> nacc yes
[20:40] <DaemonFC> The way I understand it the "stop at 60%" thing is just something in the battery firmware that the Lenovo Cmpanion toggles.
[20:40] <Betlehem> :<
[20:40] <ikonia> DaemonFC: interesting so "firmware" as in hardware controlled interaction
[20:40] <Sleaker> copied the vmlinuz/initrd/squashfs from the new 14.04.5 to mine.
[20:40] <DaemonFC> That's what one of their moderators said on their forums anyway.
[20:40] <DaemonFC> ikonia, It appears that way.
[20:40] <Sleaker> and all of the udebs. regenerated the udeb pacakges.gz
[20:41] <Sleaker> they all load, then ethdetect fails in the debian-installer.
[20:41] <ikonia> DaemonFC: so what I've just told wadie that he is attempting to mock me for being "wrong" about, interesting
[20:41] <wadie> didn't say wrong..I said not helpful
[20:41] <nacc> Sleaker: in your system's case, is the 'mii' module loaded?
[20:41] <wadie> saying impossible
[20:41] <ikonia> wadie: how is telling you the truth not helpful
[20:41] <DaemonFC> The battery has onboard firmware now that has tunable settings, but good luck getting Lenovo to tell anyone exactly how that works.
[20:41] <wadie> you can say I'm not sure
[20:41] <ikonia> wadie: but I was sure about what I said and I still am
[20:41] <DaemonFC> Maybe someone could figure it out, is what I was trying to say.
[20:41] <Sleaker> nacc nope.
[20:42] <Sleaker> modprobe mii gives module not found
[20:42] <nacc> Sleaker: that is the reason for the missing symbol error -- if you load it, does your module load?
[20:42] <nacc> Sleaker: hrm, that seems wrong
[20:42] <Sleaker> agree.
[20:42] <nacc> Sleaker: let me double check in 14.04
[20:42] <Sleaker> thanks
[20:42] <DaemonFC> ikonia, It seems to work well enough in Linux with default settings, but if you want to switch from Windows, I would strongly recommend changing the "stop at 60%" thing to "off" first.
[20:43] <ikonia> DaemonFC: I don't disagree, I run thinkpads with linux all the time, hence why I'm confident with what I've said
[20:43] <DaemonFC> Or else you might get stuck with a laptop that only charges to 60% with no way to back that out without installing Windows and Lenovo Companion again!
[20:43] <Sleaker> nacc  there's no mii.ko on mine, but there is on the base image.
[20:43] <wadie> ikonia, again it's possible even if it's not easily available right now. and if you knew how it works then you could've explained like DaemonFC did so maybe I could look into it further from there.. just saying, because this isn't the first time I see such respond where if the answer isn't simple enough then it's a "what you want doesn't make sense" kinda response
[20:43] <nacc> Sleaker: so .. they aren't the same :)
[20:43] <nacc> Sleaker: that's the bug, not sure why it happens -- but solve that and it should all work
[20:44] <DaemonFC> I'm not sure if it's persistent or not, but I wouldn't want to dive in and then find out later.
[20:44] <wadie> ikonia, so you do say it can work..you said impossible :)
[20:44] <ikonia> wadie: how do you know it's possible ?
[20:44] <Sleaker> well is the mii.ko even in initrd?
[20:44] <ikonia> wadie: no, I'm not saying it "can work"
[20:44] <ikonia> wadie: please tell me how you do this in linux ?
[20:44] <wadie> you don't know it's impossible..you could've said I'm not sure
[20:44] <ikonia> wadie: do you know it's possible
[20:44] <wadie> we're still discussing this
[20:45] <DaemonFC> wadie, I've been running the Yoga 900 ISK2 for about a year and my battery still charges to 93%. That's with me storing it at 100% quite often and mostly on AC.
[20:45] <wadie> better than eliminating any chance of finding a solution
[20:45] <ikonia> wadie: yes we are because you are making statements that are incorrect,
[20:45] <DaemonFC> The battery will definitely last you 4-5 years before it becomes a pain in the butt, and then you could just flip it over and unscrew the bottom of the case and the battery and change it out with a replacement part.
[20:45] <ikonia> wadie: there isnt' a solution, it's hardware controlled interaction and these devices are not "open source" - the thinkpads are a minor exception due to IBM's work before lenovo took over, and even then it breaks a lot
[20:45] <ikonia> wadie: so at this moment in time "it's impossible"
[20:46] <ikonia> until someone reverse engineers the software and the apci calls for apm interaction with your lenvo device....it's not going to happen
[20:46] <ikonia> which I'm pretty sure no-one is looking at doing as no-one really cares about what youa re asking for because it's not a real problem
[20:47] <DaemonFC> Oh, good luck with that. Lenovo's "press release" before they gave up because the AG was looking into them at my request read off like they were offended that anyone would want to run Linux instead of Windows 10.
[20:47] <DaemonFC> And, for the record, you *can* flip it over in GNOME and use it as a tablet.
[20:47] <wadie> I'll look into it further..but you see, now you gave a better explanation because I'm not a kid who is ok with a this is impossible answer..we are here to discuss the matter
[20:47] <DaemonFC> So that part of their press release was an outright lie.
[20:47] <ikonia> wadie: "it's impossible"
[20:47] <ikonia> wadie: that is the answer,
[20:48] <wadie> thank you for your precious time ikonia
[20:48] <Sleaker> nacc the initrd doesn't even have the mii on it, so it's not that
[20:48] <ikonia> you're welcome
[20:48] <nacc> Sleaker: no i mean the symbol that is missing is provided by the mii.ko module
[20:48] <nacc> Sleaker: so it clearly is present in the base installer, whether in the initrd or not
[20:48] <DaemonFC> Lenovo's nutty firmware went beyond simply hiding AHCI storage mode from a user that shouldn't be playing with things.
[20:48] <Sleaker> right.
[20:48] <Sleaker> I just don't know where it gets extracted from.
[20:48] <DaemonFC> They wrote new code to keep you from toggling it with an EFI variable too.
[20:49] <DaemonFC> So I doubt anyone is ever going to walk up to Lenovo and ask how ACPI stuff works and get an answer other than "Your 360 degree hinge was designed specifically for Window 10.".
[20:49] <nacc> Sleaker: ok, can you clarify again? with the base ubuntu image, your network card works. You made a new image based off of the 14.04.5 one, and network doesn't work? In the base ubuntu image, is mii loaded (lsmod | grep mii)? In your image is mii loaded?
[20:50] <Sleaker> nacc yes, and no. in that order
[20:50] <DaemonFC> I'm telling people now to just go after the Dell XPS developer edition and they know it'll work.
[20:50] <Sleaker> mii.ko is not even extracted when I check what files are present on the booted ramdisk in my installer env.
[20:50] <Sleaker> but it is present in the base 14.04.5 one.
[20:51] <nacc> Sleaker: so then it's not the same initrd and kernel? :)
[20:51] <Sleaker> it is?
[20:51] <nacc> Sleaker: what changes are you making to the base image?
[20:51] <Sleaker> adding packages to pool
[20:52] <Sleaker> and rebuilding the dists pacakge list.
[20:52] <nacc> Sleaker: such as ...?
[20:52] <Sleaker> custom packages.
[20:52] <Sleaker> irrelevant since .debs dont' get installed until after package selection.
[20:53] <akik> DaemonFC: which lenovo yoga model is now getting the treatment by lenovo?
[20:53] <nacc> Sleaker: so, to be clear, in the base ubuntu installer, you can drop to a shell and do `sudo modprobe -r mii; sudo modprobe mii`? But in your installer enviroment, you can't?
[20:53] <Sleaker> sudo doesn't even exist in the d-i :-/
[20:53] <Sleaker> modprobe -r mii wont work on the base image since it's in-use.
[20:54] <ikonia> nacc: do you really need/want mii ?
[20:54] <nacc> Sleaker: you know what i meant, i think
[20:54] <nacc> ikonia: Sleaker's card needs it
[20:54] <ikonia> really ?
[20:54] <ikonia> it actually "needs" it ?
[20:54] <nacc> ikonia: dunno, pcnet32 something something
[20:54] <ikonia> is it an old card ?
[20:54] <nacc> ikonia: yeah, i'd assume it's old if using that driver
[20:54] <Sleaker> ikonia: it's necessary for pcnet32 VMware to detect properly in the d-i environment.
[20:54] <nacc> Sleaker: ok, but i meant basically the module is present in the one
[20:54] <nacc> Sleaker: so bisect it down
[20:55] <nacc> Sleaker: figure out what chagne you are making is breaking it
[20:55] <Sleaker> nacc hard to bisect when I don't know where the mii module even comes from
[20:55] <nacc> Sleaker: alternatively, try to rebuild the base image withotu modification and see if you break it too
[20:55] <nacc> Sleaker: no, that's not true at all
[20:55] <nacc> Sleaker: you have some set of changes, you can bisect in them for a behavior without knowing the source of the behavior
[20:55] <nacc> Sleaker: that's the whole point of bisecting your changes
[20:56] <Sleaker> ...
[20:57] <nacc> Sleaker: let's say you are making 5 changes to the base image. You've tested with all 5 changes. It's broken (that's one endpoint). So go and only make one change (or like I said, no changes) and see if it's broken (but still rebuild the image).
[20:57] <nacc> Sleaker: then you figure out if you have any good datapoints
[20:58] <nacc> Sleaker: it could also be something you're breaking in your image build process
[20:58] <nacc> Sleaker: in any case, the issue is the lack of mii.ko in your image, which is a problem in your image (not ubuntu)
[20:58] <Sleaker> correct.
[20:58] <Sleaker> it would be helpful to know where the mii.ko gets loaded from.
[20:58] <DaemonFC> akik, I do not recall. I read it on their forums.
[21:00] <senaa> How to exec in bash not directly exit?
[21:00] <senaa> example
[21:00] <nacc> Sleaker: what you've been saying doesn't make sense to me. If you need mii.ko for networking to work in your env, then you konw it's on the initrd (installer initrd, I think you mean)
[21:00] <senaa> exec curl .......
[21:00] <nacc> Sleaker: as the only other source of data for the installer is the network (or an ISO i guess)
[21:01] <senaa> exec curl .......
[21:01] <Sleaker> nacc, I verified the 14.04.5 initrd does not contain the mii.ko
[21:01] <DaemonFC> akik, I just skimmed it again. Two affected models. 710S Plus-13IKB  and Miix 720, apparently.
[21:02] <DaemonFC> No "Linux BIOS" and forces the RAID controller. Same problem mine had when I bought it.
[21:02] <nacc> senaa: that isn't a clear example to me
[21:03] <DaemonFC> Unfortunately, since I don't own either model, I can't file a consumer complaint with the Illinois Attorney General because I haven't been harmed. I would encourage people who are affected to contact their state's Attorney General office. They usually have a "consumer affairs" division or something similar to that.
[21:03] <nacc> Sleaker: i just verified that at least the 14.04.5 installer initrd absolutely has mii.ko init
[21:04] <nacc> *in it
[21:04] <nacc> Sleaker: the netboot installer, i meant
[21:04] <nacc> Sleaker: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/initrd.gz
[21:04] <DaemonFC> Looks like the 710 Plus-13IKL is also affected.
[21:04] <Sleaker> hmmm.
[21:04] <nacc> Sleaker: which installer are you using?
[21:04] <Sleaker> standard server one.
[21:04] <DaemonFC> Lenovo is like a weed. You pull one and two more grow in its place. :P
[21:04] <nacc> DaemonFC: i would like to know how you verified the initrd does or does not contain a module?
[21:04] <Sleaker> non-netboot.
[21:04] <Sleaker> nacc, cpio the files into a directory and check the modules directory.
[21:06] <DaemonFC> Anyway, back to my question from a while back. Does anyone know how to make Ubuntu 17.04 activate an encrypted swap file?
[21:06] <DaemonFC> Ubuiquity creates one, apparently using the wrong settings.
[21:08] <nacc> Sleaker: any chance you can md5sum the initrd -- want to make sure i'm looking at the same one
[21:08] <Sleaker> 3d1ecd1fabd5699ef45613673e1e565  initrd.gz
[21:10] <Sleaker> my inclination is that it's a udeb that's not correctly getting selected by the d-i system
[21:10] <Sleaker> fyi, this *was* working prior to the upgrade.
[21:10] <Sleaker> ie: I have a 14.04.1 image that works fine with the customizations
[21:10] <Sleaker> just need to get updated to the new 4.4 kernel
[21:11] <Jordan_U> senaa: What is your end goal?
[21:11] <nicomachus> hi all. I'm trying to unzip a .zip archive and am getting an error I've never seen before: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24752305/
[21:12] <senaa> so i want to run the first command without exit and then continue with the second
[21:12] <nicomachus> mediainfo shows it as a .zip file
[21:12] <Sleaker> or if it's on the netboot image, I could probably just use that one.
[21:13] <Jordan_U> nicomachus: Please pastebin the output of "file so_young_digital_single.zip".
[21:13] <nicomachus> so_young_digital_single.zip: Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract
[21:13] <nicomachus> Jordan_U: ^
[21:13] <Jordan_U> nicomachus: Where did you get this file from?
[21:14] <ElectrumGuy> is there anyway to have a single xvfb instance, and have ALL my selenium python tests use that single one instead of every single python test script using its own?
[21:14] <nicomachus> Jordan_U: it's a digital download of a single for an album that I pre-ordered. They emailed the link.
[21:14] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: that sounds like a question for a different channel? python or selenium or ...
[21:14] <ElectrumGuy> its a mix really.
[21:15] <nacc> Sleaker: well, it's weird that the base image works
[21:15] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: still, not really an ubuntu support question
[21:15] <ElectrumGuy> but ubuntu has xvfb :(
[21:15] <Jordan_U> senaa: It is very difficult to understand what you're trying to ask. Is English your first language? If not, what is your first language?
[21:16] <nacc> ElectrumGuy: but your question isn't about xvfb, it's about python and selenium
[21:16] <ElectrumGuy> its about using xvfb with python but I get your point
[21:16] <Sleaker> nacc i agree.
[21:16] <nicomachus> Jordan_U: additionally: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24752331/
[21:18] <Jordan_U> nicomachus: It's odd that a single audio file would be distributed as a .zip file. Do you expect it to have multiple files? Are other people who have ordered and received this able to unzip it?
[21:18] <Sleaker> nacc the txt.cfg from isolinux loads /install/initrd.gz too, I don't see anywhere that it would even try to load the netboot image.
[21:18] <nacc> Sleaker: sure, i wasn't necessarily saying it was -- but i was just looking at initrds i can while i wait for the iso to download :)
[21:18] <annihilator> is there a big different between stock ubuntu and ubuntu gamepack?
[21:19] <annihilator> besides the obvious
[21:19] <nicomachus> Jordan_U: it should only be one file. They delivered the other singles as .zip's when I ordered last week and they didn't give any trouble. I'll ask around and see if anyone could open it.
[21:19] <nacc> annihilator: you would have to ask them, it's not an official flavor
[21:19] <annihilator> ah ok
[21:20] <annihilator> if its not an official flavor then im not worried ill just make my own gamepack LMAO
[21:20] <senaa> Jordan_U: I want to exec bash script without exit. when I  run the first command with and then continue with the second
[21:21] <Jordan_U> annihilator: It is not an official flavor, and so they shouldn't have "ubuntu" in their name. Also, it is not supported here, which would be a pretty big downside to using it IMHO.
[21:21] <nacc> senaa: don't use exec in that case?
[21:21] <nicomachus> Jordan_U: actually, the weird part is that when I click the download link it's downloading 9.2 MB
[21:21] <nacc> senaa: do you understand what `exec` does?
[21:22] <annihilator> which is easier install flash or using chrome?
[21:22] <Jordan_U> nicomachus: Maybe download the link with wget, which is more reliable than many other download managers.
[21:23] <Jordan_U> nicomachus: If it fails part way through the download, you can use "wget -c http://example.com/stuff" to continue the download where it left off.
[21:24] <Sleaker> annihilator: imo they are the same.
[21:24] <Jordan_U> annihilator: What do you need flash for?
[21:26] <nicomachus> Jordan_U: I can't download again. One time use link.
[21:26] <nicomachus> I emailed someone at Atlantic records. Thanks for the help anyway.
[21:27] <Jordan_U> nicomachus: You're welcome. Good luck.
[21:35] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[21:36] <psychoticwarrior> howdy whats up
[21:37] <CountryfiedLinux> My laptop has an AMD A10-8700p. Would it be a good idea to install Ubuntu on this or should I get an Intel-based laptop for that?
[21:37] <Betlehem> not needed
[21:38] <Betlehem> if u want speed egt a ssd
[21:38] <CountryfiedLinux> I have an SSD.
[21:39] <Betlehem> on the AMD? well i use AMD and ubuntu 17.04 is doing well... AMD Vision E350
[21:39] <CountryfiedLinux> What I don't have is a GPU officially supported by AMD. How are the free drivers for my card compared to the AMD proprietary on Windows?
[21:39] <Betlehem> propietary drivers are better
[21:40] <CountryfiedLinux> oh ok thanks
[21:40] <CountryfiedLinux> I suppose Ubuntu would be better suited on an Intel-based laptop.
[21:40] <Betlehem> im sorry im not the best person to ask you just wait
[21:40] <Betlehem> let me see
[21:40] <Betlehem> i use a lowned ati 6000 series integrated gddr 256 or 512
[21:41] <Betlehem> gddr: 3. without ubuntu amd64-microcode graphics arent fast
[21:41] <nacc> Sleaker: ok, so i did some digging -- i have no idea for sure, but this is what i see
[21:42] <nacc> Sleaker: the base server install iso's initrd.gz does not contain a mii.ko
[21:42] <Sleaker> yaaah _/
[21:42] <Sleaker> :-/
[21:42] <nacc> Sleaker: but the install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/initrd.gz *does*
[21:42] <Sleaker> right
[21:43] <nacc> Sleaker: presumably that gets loaded when you are in the server iso and configure networking (or something like that?)
[21:43] <Sleaker> not sure how?
[21:43] <Sleaker> I have that one on my system anyhow.
[21:43] <nacc> Sleaker: probably by d-i itself, in ubuntu, but i'm really not sure either
[21:43] <Sleaker> or rather on the image
[21:43] <Sleaker> i didn't see it in the squashfs either in case that gets loaded.
[21:44] <nacc> Sleaker: right, i agree not there
[21:44] <Sleaker> F6 + enter even shows it's loading /install/initrd.gz from grub.
[21:45] <DaemonFC> "<Betlehem> propietary drivers are better"
[21:46] <DaemonFC> I'm just happy that I don't need any to run this computer.
[21:46] <Betlehem> for amd yes
[21:46] <DaemonFC> FGLRX was not a pleasant experience.
[21:46] <Betlehem> that i mention worrs fine, k. i will try a game
[21:46] <Betlehem> ATI 200 FPS nvida 60
[21:46] <Betlehem> did that said something
[21:47] <DaemonFC> I was using the open source radeon drivers when I did have an AMD card because of all the bugs in the proprietary one.
[21:47] <DaemonFC> Losing a few fps on something is preferable to having the entire desktop crash like it's Windows 98 all over again.
[21:48] <Betlehem> few is not x3
[21:48] <Sleaker> nacc do you know if ubuntu has a package search feature like debian.packages.org?
[21:48] <Betlehem> but yeah everybody likes INTEL or nVidia... i agree
[21:48] <genii> Sleaker: https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[21:49] <DaemonFC> KDE was carrying around dozens of workarounds for AMD's proprietary driver (at least at the time) and it also dropped you back down to the OpenGL 1 backend.
[21:49] <DaemonFC> And the tearing was painful to see.
[21:50] <DaemonFC> I certainly hope that they've gotten it into better shape than it was in the last time I encountered it.
[21:51] <Sleaker> worst case I guess I just add the mii.ko to the initrd manually lol.
[21:52] <Sleaker> seems shoddy though
[21:52] <nacc> Sleaker: you should see if in 14.04.1 it's in the initrd?
[21:53] <nacc> Sleaker: i understand that /install/initrd.gz is being loaded -- that's the base installer env. I'm saying that once you tell theinstaller that you want networking (or when it tries to configure it), maybe it uses the netboot initrd's contents to load some extra modules? i'm really not sure
[21:53] <Sleaker> it's not
[21:54] <Sleaker> to your first question.
[21:55] <skinnymg1> hola everyone
[21:55] <Betlehem> holitas vecino
[21:57] <Betlehem> woot!
[22:06] <Sleaker> debian installer is so cryptic it's annoying :(
[22:15] <Sleaker> yah, so using the netboot image technically works for getting the mii loaded, but it also wont use any of the modules on the disc.
[22:15] <Sleaker> so it tries to download everything which wont work for what I need :-/
[22:37] <pagz> anyone able to point me in the right direction to reset/remove mysql password, im following a guide from ubuntu but getting this error https://pastebin.com/z3T4LUf7
[22:58] <Loshki> pagz: "[1]+  Exit 1 sudo /usr/sbin/mysqld --skip-grant-tables --skip-networking" <-- I think this means your mysql server crashed. You need to fix that first.
[23:02] <Muimi> Isn't it possible to install ubuntu from within windows?
[23:02] <nacc> pagz: don't run it in the background
[23:02] <nacc> pagz: just have two terminals open
[23:03] <nacc> pagz: you can see that lin 9 indicates an error
[23:03] <nacc> pagz: so the sql server failed to start
[23:05] <Loshki> pagz: next step, look at the mysql logs and see if it says why it won't stay up
[23:26] <keepOwn> :Д
[23:34] <Muimi> ANy problem with using Wubi?
[23:34] <Dreaman> :)~
[23:35] <Dreaman> no but old
[23:37] <YankDownUnder> Wubi isn't supported any longer - nor is being developed. There are better tools.
[23:49] <Loshki> Muimi: And wubi was dodgy even when it *was* supported. Consider running it under virtualbox instead...
[23:55] <vimar> Hi