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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.07:46
knightwisemorning everyone :)08:33
brobostigonmorning knightwise :)08:39
knightwisehey brobostigon  how you doin ?08:42
brobostigonnot bad, going ring shopping with my fiance this afternoon, and you?08:44
knightwiseHoooo ! Good luck you :)08:44
brobostigon:) ty.08:44
* knightwise having a day off at home. The sweety is out on a training course 08:44
brobostigon:)08:44
knightwisei'm sitting here , sipping tea and installing ubuntu on an old imac08:45
knightwisethe nerd equivalent of a guys night out08:45
knightwisehey awilkins08:59
knightwisehow are you doing man :)08:59
awilkinsI'm ok. Bit frayed by all the election shit.09:00
* awilkins apologises for swearing in a family channel09:00
knightwiseawilkins: politics .. i know :)09:01
awilkinsStarted watching Tomorrowland (the George Clooney one) with my daughter yesterday. Was nice to have a bit of hope and optimism.09:01
knightwiseHmm tv show ?09:02
knightwiseor a movie ?09:02
awilkinsMovie, Disney09:35
awilkins'tis on Netflix if you have access to it09:35
ekshi11:25
daftykinsgood ol' On Call https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/02/on_call/16:42
DJonesSheesh, thats daft16:47
DJonesI'm waiting for the person who unplugged BA's system to explain what happened in "On Call", and the the person responsible for infrastructure to explain how 1 person was able to bring an internation business to a halt just by unplugging one cable (as seems to be being reported)16:49
daftykins:D16:49
penguin42DJones: I can see you can probably shut a data centre down fairly easily; why the other one didn't take over is the good question17:15
penguin42DJones: I know of a few cases of whole data centres losing power, it's not that odd17:32
DJonespenguin42: I would have thought it'd be quite difficult, given UPS, backup power supplies etc, to take down an entire system, to me, that would suggest really bad management/control, yes "the cleaner" can walk in, unplug something while they hoover etc, but to wipe out an entire system suggests something is basicly wrong17:47
penguin42DJones: You'd think so, but the problem is that the UPSs in data centres are much more complex than your home thing17:48
penguin42DJones: I think typically you have generator->ups->data centre; the data centres UPSs can typically only do a few minutes which is supposed to be enough to get the generator up17:49
DJonesI'd hipe they were more complex, unplugging one cable shouldn't bring down a system17:49
DJoness/hipe/hope/17:49
penguin42DJones: One data centre I used had an outage where a mains spike blew the breaker on the input to the UPS, the UPS cut in but because the generator could see the mains input, the generator didn't bother starting up, so the UPS drained17:50
penguin42DJones: An article I was reading a few weeks back said that the automatic transfer switches tend to be a bit paranoid as well; so if they think there's an electrical fault *inside* the datacentre they'll refuse to switch the generator in17:51
penguin42DJones: But the possibility if they're saying someone screwed up, I suspect is that they were intending to do some maintanence ON the ups, and somehow screwed up when they were switching the UPS in/out of circuit17:53
DJonesI can understand that, but presumably when it something so mission critical, they pay people to keep an eye on thingslike this17:53
penguin42DJones: You don't have time to react though17:53
penguin42DJones: Also the heavy power side of the data centre is specialised enough that most datacentre guys don't directly deal with it, they should know how to start up the generator and/or bypass stuff, but anything more it's call up the serious electrical guys17:54
penguin42DJones: Also they said most machines have dual PSUs, which is true, but where are they connected? They're probably both connected to the UPS output (hopefully on different UPS modules if it's large enough)17:56
penguin42Damn, I can't find any pictures of 'The Planet's datacentre disaster - they had a UPS explosion that demolished their electrical room - taking 9000 servers offline18:00
penguin42(June 2008)18:00
daftykinsO_O20:21
zmoylan-pi-|-20:22
zmoylan-pi\20:22
zmoylan-pidamn....20:22
daftykins:)20:23
daftykinshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38 neat20:56
daftykinsi'm now in a swanky cottage apartment after being juggled around in my hotel, however it looks like the tilers will finish tomorrow :D20:57
daftykinsnew bathroom is looking ace20:57
penguin42daftykins: That's a nice vid; I think some of the Space-X stuff was done with GoPro's as well21:00
zmoylan-pipity it was supposed to be the kitchen... :-P21:00
daftykins:D21:06
daftykinsbarely any room in my house has been untouched now21:07
daftykinsshame insurance won't cover roof repair :(21:10
sebsebsebhi22:43
penguin42hey22:43
sebsebsebLondon problems again22:43
diddledanwtf london!23:02
sebsebsebdiddledan: seems thats the thng now to use vechiles to...23:03
Seeker`Hope everyone here's ok23:07
sebsebsebdiddledan: seems thats the thng now to use vechiles to...23:09
sebsebsebhi23:09
sebsebsebuh23:09
sebsebsebsome typing issues23:10
sebsebsebI wanted to put probably in response to Seeker`23:10
* sebsebseb thinks London is a place to try and avoide for the most part now23:10
zmoylan-pipretty much anywhere with crowds23:13
Seeker`not really any point trying to avoid places23:56

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