[07:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:33] <knightwise> morning everyone :)
[08:39] <brobostigon> morning knightwise :)
[08:42] <knightwise> hey brobostigon  how you doin ?
[08:44] <brobostigon> not bad, going ring shopping with my fiance this afternoon, and you?
[08:44] <knightwise> Hoooo ! Good luck you :)
[08:44] <brobostigon> :) ty.
[08:44]  * knightwise having a day off at home. The sweety is out on a training course 
[08:44] <brobostigon> :)
[08:45] <knightwise> i'm sitting here , sipping tea and installing ubuntu on an old imac
[08:45] <knightwise> the nerd equivalent of a guys night out
[08:59] <knightwise> hey awilkins
[08:59] <knightwise> how are you doing man :)
[09:00] <awilkins> I'm ok. Bit frayed by all the election shit.
[09:00]  * awilkins apologises for swearing in a family channel
[09:01] <knightwise> awilkins: politics .. i know :)
[09:01] <awilkins> Started watching Tomorrowland (the George Clooney one) with my daughter yesterday. Was nice to have a bit of hope and optimism.
[09:02] <knightwise> Hmm tv show ?
[09:02] <knightwise> or a movie ?
[09:35] <awilkins> Movie, Disney
[09:35] <awilkins> 'tis on Netflix if you have access to it
[11:25] <eks> hi
[16:42] <daftykins> good ol' On Call https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/02/on_call/
[16:47] <DJones> Sheesh, thats daft
[16:49] <DJones> I'm waiting for the person who unplugged BA's system to explain what happened in "On Call", and the the person responsible for infrastructure to explain how 1 person was able to bring an internation business to a halt just by unplugging one cable (as seems to be being reported)
[16:49] <daftykins> :D
[17:15] <penguin42> DJones: I can see you can probably shut a data centre down fairly easily; why the other one didn't take over is the good question
[17:32] <penguin42> DJones: I know of a few cases of whole data centres losing power, it's not that odd
[17:47] <DJones> penguin42: I would have thought it'd be quite difficult, given UPS, backup power supplies etc, to take down an entire system, to me, that would suggest really bad management/control, yes "the cleaner" can walk in, unplug something while they hoover etc, but to wipe out an entire system suggests something is basicly wrong
[17:48] <penguin42> DJones: You'd think so, but the problem is that the UPSs in data centres are much more complex than your home thing
[17:49] <penguin42> DJones: I think typically you have generator->ups->data centre; the data centres UPSs can typically only do a few minutes which is supposed to be enough to get the generator up
[17:49] <DJones> I'd hipe they were more complex, unplugging one cable shouldn't bring down a system
[17:49] <DJones> s/hipe/hope/
[17:50] <penguin42> DJones: One data centre I used had an outage where a mains spike blew the breaker on the input to the UPS, the UPS cut in but because the generator could see the mains input, the generator didn't bother starting up, so the UPS drained
[17:51] <penguin42> DJones: An article I was reading a few weeks back said that the automatic transfer switches tend to be a bit paranoid as well; so if they think there's an electrical fault *inside* the datacentre they'll refuse to switch the generator in
[17:53] <penguin42> DJones: But the possibility if they're saying someone screwed up, I suspect is that they were intending to do some maintanence ON the ups, and somehow screwed up when they were switching the UPS in/out of circuit
[17:53] <DJones> I can understand that, but presumably when it something so mission critical, they pay people to keep an eye on thingslike this
[17:53] <penguin42> DJones: You don't have time to react though
[17:54] <penguin42> DJones: Also the heavy power side of the data centre is specialised enough that most datacentre guys don't directly deal with it, they should know how to start up the generator and/or bypass stuff, but anything more it's call up the serious electrical guys
[17:56] <penguin42> DJones: Also they said most machines have dual PSUs, which is true, but where are they connected? They're probably both connected to the UPS output (hopefully on different UPS modules if it's large enough)
[18:00] <penguin42> Damn, I can't find any pictures of 'The Planet's datacentre disaster - they had a UPS explosion that demolished their electrical room - taking 9000 servers offline
[18:00] <penguin42> (June 2008)
[20:21] <daftykins> O_O
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> -|-
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> \
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> damn....
[20:23] <daftykins> :)
[20:56] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38 neat
[20:57] <daftykins> i'm now in a swanky cottage apartment after being juggled around in my hotel, however it looks like the tilers will finish tomorrow :D
[20:57] <daftykins> new bathroom is looking ace
[21:00] <penguin42> daftykins: That's a nice vid; I think some of the Space-X stuff was done with GoPro's as well
[21:00] <zmoylan-pi> pity it was supposed to be the kitchen... :-P
[21:06] <daftykins> :D
[21:07] <daftykins> barely any room in my house has been untouched now
[21:10] <daftykins> shame insurance won't cover roof repair :(
[22:43] <sebsebseb> hi
[22:43] <penguin42> hey
[22:43] <sebsebseb> London problems again
[23:02] <diddledan> wtf london!
[23:03] <sebsebseb> diddledan: seems thats the thng now to use vechiles to...
[23:07] <Seeker`> Hope everyone here's ok
[23:09] <sebsebseb> diddledan: seems thats the thng now to use vechiles to...
[23:09] <sebsebseb> hi
[23:09] <sebsebseb> uh
[23:10] <sebsebseb> some typing issues
[23:10] <sebsebseb> I wanted to put probably in response to Seeker`
[23:10]  * sebsebseb thinks London is a place to try and avoide for the most part now
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> pretty much anywhere with crowds
[23:56] <Seeker`> not really any point trying to avoid places