[00:10] <RBB> I have an Intel GPU laptop and a thing that runs 40-ish FPS on battery and 60-ish plugged in. I assume it is GPU power saving. Any suggestions to confirm and force the powersaving off if thats what it is?
[00:21] <luis30> is monday here yet..so the new kernel can come out for ubuntu 17.04 and my ubuntu can stop freezing lol
[00:23] <YankDownUnder> If your system is freezing NOW, what makes you think a new kernel is going to resolve the issue?
[00:25] <luis30> YankDownUnder, reading the trouble tickets...:P
[00:25] <luis30> bunch of people having same issues...it would not hurt if the people who help here would read them :)
[00:27] <YankDownUnder> luis30, Since I can only speak for myself - I concern myself with LTS versions, not interim versions. Stability and long term. Therefore, I narrow my vision into that realm. And unless something directly pertains to what I use and support for my biz and life, it's not a priority. Unless it piques my curiosity - otherwise, it's nearly meaningless - a trifle.
[00:28] <luis30> ubuntu 17.04 is lts
[00:28] <luis30> 16.10 was interim not zesty
[00:28] <YankDownUnder> luis30, Um...no. 17.04 is NOT an LTS version, my friend. 16.04 is an LTS version. 18.04 will be an LTS version. 14.04 was an LTS version...
[00:30] <luis30> interesting that ubuntu releases two non lts back to back...
[00:30] <luis30> they only release a lts every 2 years?
[00:30] <kostkon> luis30, yeap. that's 4 non lts releases
[00:31] <YankDownUnder> Yes. Very logical, really.
[00:31] <kostkon> or 3? whatever
[00:32] <luis30> YankDownUnder, not really logical to release a product that freezes for two months.
[00:33] <oerheks> why not?
[00:33] <luis30> why not what?
[00:33] <oerheks> * why not logical?
[00:34] <YankDownUnder> luis30, From a business perspective, I would *not* have used 17.04 - nor 16.10 - for anything other than a "toy" to play with. I'd have (as I do) used an established release - like 16.04...
[00:34] <luis30> i was talking abou the freezing
[00:34] <luis30> you may know that but a lot of people dont know that..
[00:34] <luis30> YankDownUnder,
[00:35] <luis30> YankDownUnder, they also promote it right there on the main download page...if its so insinificant put it somewhere else
[00:35] <ikonia> what ?
[00:35] <luis30> 17.04 zesty
[00:35] <ikonia> it's a really simple model, LTS = long term support - use this for stability/business critical
[00:36] <luis30> ikonia, well take it off the main page...
[00:36] <ikonia> non LTS, like 17.04 are there to bridge the development gaps to the next LTS
[00:36] <ikonia> why ?
[00:36] <hggdh> luis30: I have been using 17.0 since development started, and I have no freezes
[00:37] <luis30> well read the bug reports hggdh
[00:37] <hggdh> s/17.0/&4/
[00:37] <ikonia> luis30: why ?
[00:37] <luis30> some people are not reading it close and assuming coming from 16.10 that 17.04 is a lts..look https://askubuntu.com/questions/916156/cant-install-ubuntu-17-04-lts lol
[00:37] <ikonia> so ?
[00:38] <luis30> https://www.devmanuals.net/install/ubuntu/ubuntu-17-04-lts-Zesty-Zapus/installing-libfmt3-dev-on-ubuntu17.04.html
[00:38] <ikonia> you can't account for people not understanding their products
[00:38] <luis30> rofl
[00:38] <ikonia> so I'm not sure why you are laughing
[00:38] <ikonia> you didn't kow it wasn't LTS
[00:38] <ikonia> I'm not sure what's funny here ?
[00:38] <ikonia> I'm not sure what you want from the channel either ?
[00:39] <YankDownUnder> I believe I need more coffee...and to change my undies now...
[00:39] <luis30> well you could fix the freezing in 17.04 :P
[00:39] <Muimi> Loshki: I just don't have a USB drive or a DVD player on this PC....
[00:39] <solarbee> Every time I restart (16.04), my system "forgets" which monitor is primary and where they are positioned. Using nVidia 375.66 drivers, and save the config to /etc/X11/xorg.conf. How can I make it remember my settings permanently?
[00:39] <ikonia> luis30: "fix the freezing"
[00:39] <luis30> in fairness the fix is supposed to be out monday..if you guys read the bug reports you would know...
[00:40] <ikonia> luis30: you understand that for the majority there is no problem, so problems for the minority, will be specific use cases that need to be investigated and understood
[00:40] <oerheks> both urls are no bugreports
[00:40] <ikonia> luis30: why do we need to read the bug report ?
[00:40] <ikonia> you'd only read the bug report if you had an actual problem that you needed to reference
[00:40] <solarbee> Is /etc/X11/xorg.conf the correct path? (nvidia puts this in automatically)
[00:40] <ikonia> solarbee: thats right
[00:40] <luis30> ikonia, one bug report had 200 comments and like 20 duplicates and that is not the only duplicates it had..even the devs said it was effecting a lot of people read the bug reports
[00:40] <ikonia> luis30: I don't need to read the bug report
[00:41] <luis30> sadly you feel that wa
[00:41] <ikonia> luis30: please stop telling people to read random bug reports
[00:41] <luis30> way
[00:41] <luis30> random rofl
[00:41] <ikonia> please stop with this laughing nonsense
[00:41] <luis30> there is a big kernel fix coming out monday for it and you have no clue
[00:41] <ikonia> you're in a technical support/discussion channel for ubuntu please try to focus on that
[00:41] <ikonia> luis30: why would I have a clue about a bug that doesn't impact me
[00:41] <hggdh> luis30: if it is a kernel issue, why don't you bring it up on #ubuntu-kernel?
[00:41] <ikonia> I'm not going to sit reading bug reports randomly
[00:42] <oerheks> fud
[00:42] <luis30> impact you...wow there you go with the great tech support help attitude
[00:42] <ikonia> luis30: is there an official ubuntu bug report you'd like us to have a look at for you ?
[00:42] <solarbee> unity control center display settings pull up the correct config too, just can't figure out why it's wrong on boot every time
[00:42] <luis30> ikonia, its a major kernel update that required a lot of changes to fix that is why it was not rushed out...but if you had read you would know that too
[00:43] <hggdh> luis30: bug # please
[00:43] <luis30> hang one
[00:43] <luis30> hang on
[00:43] <ikonia> luis30: again, I'm not going to read random bug reports unless I have a reason to, so please post an official ubuntu bug report if you'd like us to comment / input to your problem
[00:43] <Loshki> Muimi: I don't think you need one. virtualbox is a free download off the network I believe, and then you also need to download an iso of ubuntu. You then configure virtualbox to read this iso directly. You don't need a USB drive or a DVD player for any of this, just a network connection. For more detailed advice on that portion, you should probably ask ##windows
[00:43] <luis30> hang on..
[00:43] <luis30> i had already posted it in here like a week ago ..i need to look again
[00:43] <luis30> hold on
[00:44] <ikonia> no rush
[00:44] <ikonia> it seems odd though that you are telling us / expecting us to read a bug report, you don't actually appear to have though, not sure how you expect us to read a bug report you haven't posted to us
[00:45] <ikonia> happy to look at it if you post it an have some expectation that the channel members can do something with it for you
[00:46] <luis30> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1674838  ....228 comments and look at list of duplicates
[00:47] <solarbee> ~/.config/monitors.xml is correct as well, and if I restart x there's no problem, only on boot ><
[00:48] <luis30> look at comment #209 by seth
[00:49] <ikonia> so thats intersting, I guess a simple question is do you still get the problem if you disable huge pages ?
[00:49] <ikonia> if it's a problem with huge pages it's going to be system specifc / config / workload specific
[00:49] <ikonia> or it would impact everyone
[00:50] <luis30> you talking to me?
[00:50] <ikonia> you're the one having the problem with this aren't you /
[00:50] <ikonia> ?
[00:50] <luis30> well your talking about huge pages...
[00:50] <luis30> that is not enough people for you?
[00:50] <luis30> did you read seths comment?
[00:50] <hggdh> luis30: the bug is fix released...
[00:51] <luis30> monday like i said before
[00:51] <ikonia> it's already in proposed
[00:51] <ikonia> I'm taking about huge pages as reading the docs that appears to tbe what is causing the problem
[00:51] <luis30> at least you guys read one bug report and now if somone comes in ...you will at least know how to guide them on that one..
[00:51] <annihilator> how do you install java?
[00:51] <annihilator> the easiest way
[00:51] <ikonia> luis30: guide them ?
[00:52] <luis30> ikonia, well you could tell them a fix is coming out
[00:52] <ikonia> no, because "a freeze" for someone is not the same problem as this
[00:52] <ikonia> (or it could be)
[00:52] <solarbee> sudo apt-get install default-jre
[00:52] <luis30> ikonia, this is a freeze rofl
[00:52] <ikonia> you'd have to understand the problem as I said, as problems for the minority are different than problems for the majority
[00:52] <ikonia> luis30: yes, and there are many reasons a system can freeze
[00:52] <ikonia> you don't point every freeze at that page
[00:53] <annihilator> thank you
[00:53] <hggdh> luis30: there are freezes and freezes. Not all freezes are due to the same defect
[00:53] <ikonia> luis30: are you still having this problem (or are you now using the poprose update)
[00:53] <ikonia> proposed update
[00:53] <annihilator> is flash better to be in chrome or as a system plugin?
[00:53] <luis30> ikonia, yes but you could at least have the knowledge that a fix is coming out for a particular type of bug that freezing because if someone would have come in with THIS bug you would not have been able to help them with a workaround
[00:54] <ikonia> luis30: how do we know what this bug is
[00:54] <luis30> ikonia, i was waiting on the release...to install
[00:54] <luis30> by reading ikonia
[00:54] <ikonia> luis30: there is no trigger for this bug, I've read it
[00:54] <ikonia> luis30: how often do you personally get this bug
[00:55] <luis30> ikonia, well you could tell someone to install the fix and see if it corrects like the devs are recommending
[00:55] <ikonia> (can you reproduce it easy/well ?)
[00:55] <ikonia> luis30: I'm not going to tell random people with problems to install random non-production packages
[00:55] <luis30> ikonia, sometimes once or twice a week sometimes two days in a row
[00:55] <ikonia> luis30: thats dissapointing, so it's not consistent
[00:55] <Muimi> About installing Linux: can I install it via my network?
[00:55] <ikonia> luis30: how often do you reboot your box
[00:55] <ikonia> Muimi: ubuntu or linux
[00:56] <Muimi> ubantu
[00:56] <luis30> ikonia, every time it freezes its a hard freeze
[00:56] <ikonia> Muimi: there is a network install option for it
[00:56] <Muimi> prove it
[00:56] <ikonia> luis30: would you be interested in trying to run your machine with huge pages disabled,
[00:56] <Muimi> just kidding
[00:56] <ikonia> Muimi: I don't have to probe it
[00:56] <ikonia> prove it
[00:56] <luis30> ikonia, its been doing it since the ubuntu 17.04 upgrade
[00:56] <Muimi> but does that mean if I mount it on another PC, I can install by being on the network somehow?
[00:56] <ikonia> luis30: see if the problem persists for you
[00:56] <ikonia> Muimi: no, it's not that simple
[00:56] <ikonia> Muimi: it's a specific network install process
[00:56] <Muimi> well, i'm a simple man really
[00:57] <ikonia> not just mount it on another machine
[00:57] <luis30> ikonia, well from the comments i read the fix that is coming out is fixing the problem
[00:57] <pagz> Loshki: thanks ill have a look at the logs
[00:57] <ikonia> it sounds like the kernel update will fix it, but I'm interest if actually disabling huge pages in the problem package makes it run ok
[00:58] <luis30> i probably wont install any more non lts ubuntu releases...i guess i learned this lesson the hard way :
[00:58] <luis30> :)
[00:59] <ikonia> thats up to you
[00:59] <luis30> but for the record 16.10 was fine..
[00:59] <luis30> for me at least
[01:00] <Phanes> hello
[01:00] <Phanes> what implementation / project is provided by the postgresql-client package
[01:02] <oerheks> ehh, postgresql-common provides postgresql-client
[01:09] <supakalafrag> I need a little help with JACK audio setup. Message: "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory", "Cannot connect to server request channel"
[01:11] <cabatage> can i get a link to the ubuntu phone
[01:11] <cabatage> anybody try it
[01:11] <cabatage> was it ever released?
[01:12] <ikonia> it's dead
[01:12] <ikonia> didn't happen
[01:15] <joules> just like unity
[01:15] <joules> oh wait...
[01:16] <joules> s/didn't/shouldn't/
[01:18] <cabatage> ...what? my boyfriend is... DEAD?
[01:18] <cabatage> but he used to play the bongos...
[01:18] <cabatage> ...on my ass
[01:27] <Muimi> what's the tool for burning the iso to usb?
[01:28] <Bashing-om> Muimi: ' dd' ?
[01:32] <kostkon> Muimi, startup disk creator?
[01:37] <az> hello, I've issue in the bios the computer keep beeping. the issue that the sound comes from the pc speaker and headphone not a speaker on the motherboard
[01:37] <Muimi> the help file says "put it on a usb drive'
[01:37] <az> how can I disable it?
[01:37] <Muimi> dosn't say anything bout special software
[01:37] <Muimi> or even that ubuntu need sto be the only thing on the driv
[01:38] <oerheks> !usb
[01:39] <oerheks> tons of howto's to find
[01:41] <Muimi> uh yeah but you should use official stuff
[01:41] <Muimi> so, that's the tutorial i'm looking at.  Says nothing about making the usb https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating_a_bootable_Ubuntu_USB_flash_drive_from_Ubuntu this is what i was looking for
[01:42] <Muimi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating_a_bootable_Ubuntu_USB_flash_drive_from_Windows
[01:43] <supakalafrag> az: I've seen this speaker beeping issue before... I think it has something to do with electrical interferance. Try moving speakers or other periferals around to see if the noise changes or stops.
[01:45] <az> supakalafrag, there was technician who supposedly fixed the computer. this started to happen. the issue that on Windows it goes after booting into it. on Ubuntu it keeps coming from everywhere. so I thought there should be a way to disable it
[01:47] <Muimi> It told me I need to download syslinux ldlinux.sys
[01:47] <Muimi> ldlinix.bss
[01:49] <supakalafrag> az: What was the technician fixing? If you can narrow down what hardware or software has been tinkered with, it could reveal what is causing the beeping issue.
[01:53] <az> supakalafrag, it was hardware issue then he said he removed the bios battery because of some issue
[01:58] <supakalafrag> az: So do you have a dual boot Linux/Windows machine? And the beeping issue is present in Linux, but not in Windows?
[01:59] <az> yes supakalafrag , it starts from booting and keep beeping in Ubuntu from sound output including headphone
[02:09] <supakalafrag> az: In Ubuntu Settings -> Sound... check if adjusting "choose a device for sound output" and "profile" options makes any change to the speaker issue.
[02:14] <az> supakalafrag, I tried to miss with them but no change
[02:17] <supakalafrag> az: Are your headphones plugged into your speaker setup or seperately into your PC?
[02:18] <az> it's a laptop with headphone plug supakalafrag
[02:30] <supakalafrag> az: Sounds very puzzling to me. I suspect that your friendly local technician may have touched more than just the motherboard battery. What's even more puzzling is that Windows is usually the OS with parental issues.
[02:32] <az> I'm puzzled too. he "fixed" the system that was not booting and delivered other issues like this
[02:32] <az> there was an issue with the battery and booting
[02:36] <luis30> how do i fix sound repeating itself over and over again even with sound turned down
[02:38] <supakalafrag> It definately sounds like a physical hardware problem. At the very least while you have the chance, use the beeping Linux OS to backup important documents/files etc to a usb drive.
[02:39] <YankDownUnder> If the sound is being generated by the system board, you cannot turn it down. Obviously, there is an issue with the system.
[02:40] <luis30> YankDownUnder, another issue with 17.04 i did not have with 16.10 or 16.04
[02:40] <luis30> YankDownUnder, any suggested fixes?
[02:45] <supakalafrag> YankDownUnder: Suggested fix number 1: Try to describe the nature of your issue.
[02:45] <luis30> saying there is a issue with the system is not a suggested fix
[02:46] <az> supakalafrag, I've a backup. I'm using this system right now. just looking for something to help disable that beeping maybe by check which thing is using the sound card
[02:46] <luis30> sound repeating over and over again...even when the gui sound is turned down..
[02:46] <luis30> i think i already stated that
[02:48] <luis30> do i need to reboot? i rebooted last night because of 17.04 freeze
[02:50] <kostkon> luis30, tried to lower your mic's input volume levels?
[02:50] <tgm4883> luis30: it's coming from your pc and not your speakers?
[02:51] <kostkon> well.. ok
[02:55] <luis30> wow thanks ubuntu 17.04 for another freeze in less than 24 hours..it froze ike 2 mins after the sound loop i guess they were related..
[02:56] <luis30> monday not here already? rofl
[02:57] <YankDownUnder> If the machine is consistently "beeping" - merely from a hardware perspective, there is an issue with CMOS/BIOS, or a connection to the motherboard/system board. That's the start. How to start testing? Blow out the CMOS/BIOS. Next step, checking the actual motherboard/system board.
[02:58] <luis30> i think this is that other bug related otherwise why would it have occured so close in time..
[02:58] <luis30> its not a beep its a sound loop
[02:59] <luis30> and this loop is kind of rare maybe like twice it happened..the freezing has been consistent but the fix is out for that
[03:01] <supakalafrag> az: Alas, the world is a finite place. Some times we have to cut our losses and move on with what data can be retained.
[03:05] <UNIcodeX> I've got connection sharing running from my machine with wireless connectivity, but how do I get it to assign a network address that's not on a different subnet?
[03:06] <UNIcodeX> it wants to use 10.42.0.x and my network is 192.168.0.x
[03:06] <mladoux> Fun times, running Ubuntu 17.04, I have sound, but apparently pulseaudio failed to start up, so I'm playing everything through alsa. Of course, all my mixers assume pulse... I'd like to get pulse back. I currently get this error when trying to start it: E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed. - I thought maybe it just hadn't been upgraded, but -- pulseaudio is already the newest version (1:10.0-1ubuntu2). I don't know too much
[03:06] <mladoux> about sound libraries, but I like the control pulse gives me for when doing screen casts and what not. I'd rather not learn a new audio library, but I have no idea what to look at next.
[03:07] <luis30> you too mladoux ubuntu 17.04 should come with a warning label
[03:08] <mladoux> Well, at least I still have sound, luis30, so it's not a total nightmare.
[03:08] <luis30> thats good
[03:09] <mladoux> yeah, my browser and movie players hooked into the currently running sound library no problem, but my streaming tools aren't happy because they rely on pulse to do audio stream mixing.
[03:10] <luis30> i c
[03:10] <mladoux> I'm sure it can be done with alsa, but I have no clue how, and my volume indicator in gnome thinks I have no sound devices.
[03:10] <kostkon> mladoux, i'm guessing you've already tried the deleting the config folder and restarting the daemon fix
[03:10] <luis30> mladoux, ive had that happen in 17.04 as well where the gnome was not showing any audio devices
[03:10] <mladoux> nope, I didn't want to break anything.
[03:10] <mladoux> kostkon, I'll try that now
[03:11] <kostkon> mladoux, it's in ~/.config
[03:11] <mladoux> I meant it when I said I know nothing about the audio libs
[03:11] <mladoux> thx
[03:11] <mladoux> kostkon, I kept finding docs from 2010 that only addressed no sound situations, so I didn't want to assume they applied without consulting someone
[03:12] <kostkon> !sound mladoux, this?
[03:12] <kostkon> hmm
[03:12] <kostkon> !sound
[03:12] <kostkon> forgot the |
[03:12] <mladoux> Kostkon, yay, deleting the `/.config/pulse folder seems to have fixed it
[03:12] <kostkon> mladoux, been there done that
[03:13] <kostkon> mladoux, classic pulse
[03:13] <mladoux> kostkon, yeah, I know that it's highly unlikely that I'd be the first person to have the issue, and it would be very likely someone here would have found and fixed it before
[03:13] <mladoux> yay, indicators working again after restarting gnome shell ( I love how I can do that without logging out )
[03:14] <mladoux> and now my sound scripts work again too, I'm a happy camper. I wish I could give you a beer
[03:14] <mladoux> you saved my day :P
[03:14] <kostkon> mladoux, yeah. it's an old issue, the only thing that has changed over the years is the location of the pulse config folder from ~/ to ~/.config
[03:14] <mladoux> yup
[03:15] <mladoux> of course, my keyboard media buttons don't work now, but I think they'll be fixed after a reboot, but I don't wish to reboot this second, so I'll deal with that later.
[03:15] <kostkon> mladoux, well one at a time no biggie
[03:16] <mladoux> I'm kind of working on a project right now, and am not at a good stopping point.
[03:18] <kostkon> mladoux, better safe than sorry yeah
[03:19] <kostkon> mladoux, and no reason to interrupt your train of though just for a bunch of silly keys your media apps probably have their own key combos anyway
[03:21] <supakalafrag> Anyone know thing about JACK audio setup. I am having some "issues"...
[03:22] <kostkon> !details
[03:22] <kostkon> still works
[03:22] <UNIcodeX__> I need to give a computer hooked to a shared network connection jack, an IP that is the same as my internal network and not a 10.42.0.x address.
[03:23] <UNIcodeX__> anyone able to help with this?
[03:23] <supakalafrag> repeat: I need a little help with JACK audio setup. Message: "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory", "Cannot connect to server request channel"
[03:24] <kostkon> supakalafrag, is this in Ubuntu studio?
[03:26] <supakalafrag> Na, Ubuntu 16.04 with Gnome.
[03:44] <vadi> How can I share my folder on the network so another computer can see it? I've enabled sharing in the Properties tab, but I'm having difficulty logging in to it from the other computer. Ubuntu Help mentions nothing about this at all and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaClientGuide is not helpful.
[03:48] <Jordan_U> supakalafrag: #ubuntu-studio may still be a good resource.
[03:54] <supakalafrag> I tried #ubuntustudio, but they all seem to have gone to sleep.
[03:55] <Jordan_U> supakalafrag: When do you receive that error message?
[03:56] <supakalafrag> When starting JACK
[03:57] <supakalafrag> ... in the message window.
[04:02] <threee> hey all, how well doen GNOME 3 scale vs Unity?
[04:03] <threee> does*
[04:03] <threee> Unity is doing a good job at scaling my tablet PC resolution.
[04:03] <threee> wondering if I'll lose that with GNOME 3?
[04:07] <supakalafrag> threee: Depends... user interface is a delicate and much debated topic. I prefer Gnome, but that doesn't mean I'm right. What's good for right handed people is not neccesarily right for left handed people.
[04:25] <Kali_Yuga> hi
[05:10] <Dresk|Dev> So, I'm at a crossroads here, I'm not sure which variant of Ubuntu to use.  I have been using Lubuntu, but when I just updated to 17.04, everything went to heck with systemd messing with dnsmasq, LXDE is now officially LXQT but Lubuntu still hasn't moved over, and I really don't want my GUI tied to my core distro.  Should I get Ubuntu server and just install LXQT?  Should I get vanilla Ubuntu and install LXQT?
[05:11] <EriC^^> Dresk|Dev: install ubuntu server and then lxqt
[05:12] <Dresk|Dev> EriC^^: Is Ubuntu Server updated as frequently as normal Ubuntu?
[05:12] <EriC^^> Dresk|Dev: it's the same thing, it's ubuntu without an installed de
[05:14] <juanonymous> Eric^^, what's de?
[05:14] <EriC^^> desktop environment
[05:14] <GWM> Hi, I am installing a ubuntu derivative (this is more a question of gparted and the linux file structure in general), I am installing a ubuntu derivative on a lenovo y700 on a UEFI system with GPD where 2 other windows partitions exist, my question is, do I have make a separate /boot partition and should it be EXT4 or "EFI System Partition"
[05:14] <EriC^^> GWM: no need for a separate /boot and ubuntu will use the efi partition you already have
[05:15] <Dresk|Dev> EriC^^: So is the setup for Ubuntu Server graphical in anyway or do I need to know my partitioning commands from CLI?
[05:15] <GWM> I unallocated 50Gb in the windows disk manager and I would, (this is the first time I install a desktop linux since 2010, I only use it on servers otherwise(
[05:15] <EriC^^> Dresk|Dev: i think it's more walk-through kind of setup, i've never installed it myself tbh
[05:15] <EriC^^> i dont think you need to know any cli commands to install it though
[05:16] <GWM> Anyway, am I good to go if I just make a swap equal to my RAM and the rest is allocated to / as EXT4?
[05:16] <GWM> Where will the bootloader go if I do so_
[05:16] <EriC^^> GWM: yup
[05:16] <EriC^^> GWM: it'll install to /boot/efi (on the same ext4) and partly in your efi partition
[05:16] <GWM> I cannot use the guided gparted part, it wants to use the entire disk which is unacceptable in my situation, seeing as this is a dual boot env
[05:16] <EriC^^> *sorry /boot/grub
[05:16] <tarball> Hello everybody, I am unable to mount my pendrive it gives error "can't read superblock"
[05:17] <EriC^^> tarball: how are you trying to mount it?
[05:17] <GWM> and /boot/ will be on /?
[05:17] <EriC^^> GWM: yup
[05:17] <luis30> Dresk|Dev, dont use 17.04
[05:17] <tarball> automatic ubuntu mount system form nautalius
[05:17] <Dresk|Dev> luis30: Explain?
[05:17] <EriC^^> tarball: is it an ext* filesystem?
[05:17] <GWM> I have enough PTSD from gparted on Linux DE since 2010, when UEFI and GPT was new and not  very well supported, it was in fact, the reason I had to give it up, software asides
[05:18] <EriC^^> tarball: has anything happened to the drive etc?
[05:18] <GWM> These days however, I am no longer a big gamer and can dual boot when that is really needed
[05:18] <luis30> EriC^^, bug after bug after bug
[05:18] <GWM> So I can choose freedom now
[05:18] <EriC^^> luis30: i think that was for Dresk|Dev ^
[05:18] <EriC^^> GWM: :D
[05:18] <luis30> oops
[05:18] <luis30> your right
[05:18] <luis30> kek
[05:18] <GWM> I should still use a swap file equal to my amount of DRAM right?
[05:18] <luis30> sorry
[05:18] <tarball> EriC^^: It's fat32, no physical damage
[05:19] <GWM> I have 8Gb so I should use 8192 or whatever it is, as a swap
[05:19] <EriC^^> GWM: on 16.04 yeah if you want hibernation,
[05:19] <luis30> Dresk|Dev, use 16.04 if you can
[05:19] <luis30> 16.04 is fine
[05:19] <EriC^^> GWM: if you dont want hibernation it's not really necessary
[05:19] <Dresk|Dev> luis30: I've had nothing but absolute hell with 17.04, the switch to systemd has royally messed up my software router, and yes, bugs ALL over, but I don't want to migrate from upstart again, I'd rather embrace what's going to happen
[05:19] <GWM> This is a ubuntu derivative of 16.04 LTS (KDE Neon)
[05:19] <luis30> Dresk|Dev, join the club...i said earlier in here 17.04 should come with a warning label
[05:19] <EriC^^> GWM: unless you can afford the hdd space then why not
[05:20] <GWM> I have a NVMe disk, I dont know what hibernation is
[05:20] <GWM> Windows 10 boots in literally 3 seconds from button on
[05:20] <GWM> I dont expect Linux to do worse
[05:20] <GWM> (SystemD may or may not hinder me here)
[05:20] <luis30> Dresk|Dev, i dont plan on back to 16.04 earlier but this maybe the last non lts release i use for ubuntu
[05:20] <EriC^^> GWM: well windows uses a cheat, it actually hibernates when you shutdown, when you restart it it really shuts down and restarts
[05:20] <luis30> earlier = either
[05:20] <Dresk|Dev> luis30: But ultimately we have to migrate to systemd, why hold off?
[05:21] <tarball> EriC^^: i just want to format this usb so it can work correctly but that gives read only error, gparted is also not working
[05:21] <GWM> No this is cold boot
[05:21] <GWM> I have disabled windows fast boot
[05:21] <GWM> Hisssss!
[05:21] <EriC^^> GWM: oh :D
[05:21] <EriC^^> tarball: ok type "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" paste the link it here
[05:22] <GWM> To make W10 useable one must use classic shell, and it configuring it is to make sure you use proper shutdown and not "shutdown"
[05:22] <EriC^^> Dresk|Dev: 16.04 is also systemd
[05:22] <tarball> EriC^^:  http://termbin.com/9uyw
[05:22] <GWM> I recommend NVMe SSDs all around
[05:22] <EriC^^> it's not so bad, you're right Dresk|Dev
[05:23] <EriC^^> well for me , a desktop user anyways :D
[05:23] <EriC^^> tarball: it's the 8gb disk?
[05:23] <GWM> Committing 44236Mb to EXT / and 8192Mb to swap, wish me good luck
[05:23] <tarball> EriC^^: yes the sdc one
[05:23] <GWM> If gparted or uefi shits itself at this point, I will be very sad
[05:24] <graphitemaster> Dresk|Dev, that or Debian is another reasonably choice, the testing stuff is more on par with Ubuntu package release cycles.
[05:24] <Dresk|Dev> EriC^^: Again, my philosophy is I'm about to start with a fresh install, why not use the latest version, even if it's buggy, but because I'm going to be forced to use systemd-resolved, etc. if I ever upgrade (and I need to stay kernel current due to my GPU)
[05:24] <GWM> (consider my a random third party troll, but I love systemD, sysvinit in all its glory but it's not as in depth)
[05:25] <EriC^^> tarball: ok, type "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=10000 && sync"
[05:25] <GWM> (for being a random third party troll I sure know at least parts of Linux, but my systemd experience is 100% server based and never DE)
[05:26] <Jordan_U> tarball: To be clear, that will wipe all data from the drive sdc .
[05:26] <tarball> that's okay. Jordan_U
[05:26] <GWM> "Boot loader Device for boot loader installation /dev/nvme0n1p7" /nvme0n1p7 is the partition that I put as EXT4 and /
[05:27] <GWM> That should work right?
[05:27] <EriC^^> GWM: choose the whole disk as the bootloader location
[05:27] <GWM> I want to be extra specific because it is a pain to setup W10 again
[05:27] <GWM> takes 4h to destroy all telemetry, all policies etc
[05:27] <EriC^^> GWM: and choose the efi partition and select it as use as efi partition
[05:27] <GWM> Back up there
[05:27] <GWM> Tehre was no talk about efi partitions earlier
[05:27] <GWM> only swap and /
[05:27] <tarball> EriC^^: any next step? because it's still not mounting?
[05:27] <EriC^^> tarball: after the command returns, type sudo fdisk /dev/sdc
[05:27] <Jordan_U> GWM: No. For UEFI it doesn't matter, for BIOS it should be /dev/mvme0n1 (The full disk, not a partition).
[05:28] <GWM> To clarify, I am on UEFI and GPT
[05:28] <Dresk|Dev> EriC^^: Is there a "headless" Ubuntu, as opposed to Ubuntu server, since Ubuntu server comes with a LOT of stuff I don't want, like OpenStack
[05:28] <EriC^^> tarball: once it loads type "o" press enter
[05:28] <Jordan_U> !minimal | Dresk|Dev
[05:28] <GWM> Should I specify where to put the bootloader on a specific partition or not
[05:28] <GWM> My logical mind tells me to put it on / since I am not using a separate partition for /boot
[05:29] <Dresk|Dev> Jordan_U: But what GUI does minimal want to use for Network Manager?  I assume gnome3?
[05:29] <GWM> and if I put it on / I should put it on /dev/nvme0n7 which is specified as / and EXT4
[05:29] <EriC^^> tarball: then press "n" and create a primary partition using the whole space (just keep hitting enter for defaults)
[05:30] <EriC^^> GWM: yes for the bootloader location choose the whole disk without any partition, the ubuntu installer knows what to do with it
[05:30] <GWM> nvme0n1p6 is swap, nvme0n1p1 is a ntfs partitions with windows recovery, nvme0n1p2 is a efi aprtition, nvme0n1p3 is unknown and 16Mb, 4 and 5 are the windows gpt partitions
[05:31] <EriC^^> GWM: you need to click on the efi partition and choose use as efi partition or the installer won't continue
[05:31] <GWM> There is no efi partition, asides what windows made (size 103mb, 33mb used)
[05:32] <GWM> ,/dev/nvme0n1p2 type: efi, size 103Mb, used 33Mb
[05:32] <GWM> Windows made that one though
[05:33] <GWM> Should I just tell the installer "Device for boot loader installation" and point it to the EFI partition windows made? /dev/nvme0n1p2?
[05:34] <GWM> nvme0n1p2 is detected as type EFI and size 103Mb
[05:34] <EriC^^> GWM: no, just /dev/nvme0n1
[05:34] <GWM> Alright
[05:35] <GWM> The beauty if GRUB fails to install is that I'll be here on a live usb to be in horror about it
[05:35] <GWM> someone also told me to get reload boot loader for uefi
[05:35] <GWM> or something like that
[05:35] <GWM> Post install issues anyway
[05:35] <EriC^^> refind maybe?
[05:35] <GWM> that was the one
[05:36] <GWM> But tha comes after making the nvidia blob work
[05:36] <GWM> (yes I accept non free software in my heart, please dont cast me out as a heretic)
[05:36] <GWM> Not my first choice, but you know, best tool available yadayada
[05:38] <GWM> Gparted has committed the partitions
[05:38] <GWM> Installer is running
[05:39] <GWM> Please don't destroy my boot loader, please :(
[05:39] <GWM> and by destroy I mean, leave me with a system that doesnt recognize any bootloader, windows or grub
[05:40] <GWM> I mean, in theory booting multiple systems should be so much easier with EFI/UEFI right_
[05:40] <GWM> So why am I terrified of installing my first linux UEFI install in about 7 years?
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !enter | GWM
[05:42] <GWM> I apologize for the fragmented strings, I am autistic and is used to pushing out as much information in the shortest amount of time, my bad
[05:43] <GWM> Time to reboot and find out what bootloader works and does't work, wish me good luck
[05:45] <EriC^^> wb tarball
[05:45] <tarball> EriC^^:  sudo fdisk /dev/sdc returns fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: Read-only file system.         my network got disconnected
[05:45] <EriC^^> tarball: is there a read-only switch on the disk?
[05:45] <GWM> Alright, good news everyone, in the time I left to now I managed to reboot the medium, reinstall hexchat, configure it and type this sentence
[05:46] <definity> Hi
[05:46] <definity> How can i use Tmux to load on start up?
[05:46] <EriC^^> definity: what do you want exactly?
[05:46] <tarball> EriC^^:  no
[05:46] <EriC^^> a terminal that opens that has tmux running when you login?
[05:47] <EriC^^> tarball: that's odd, there isn't a filesystem yet so it shouldn't be read only
[05:47] <EriC^^> tarball: try to unplug the disk and plug it back in and see what "dmesg" says
[05:48] <definity> I want 2 programs to be loaded up into tmux on startup, I have done that but for somereason when i goto attach the session it says that there are no sessions, yet i can see tmux running by the ps command
[05:50] <definity> okay I found the problem
[05:50] <definity> becuase when it boots up it starts by spawning root, it loaded the tmux under root
[05:51] <EriC^^> definity: put it in your user's startup apps
[05:51] <tarball> EriC^^: dmesg is giving lot of errors should i use termbin?
[05:51] <EriC^^> tarball: sure
[05:52] <tarball> http://termbin.com/g4zz
[05:52] <definity> EriC^^: What dir is that in?
[05:53] <Dresk|Dev> Has systemd replaced the whole rcX.d structure and rc.local ?  Should I not be using rc.local for commands to be run at boot?
[05:53] <EriC^^> definity: which de are you using? searching for "startup" usually brings it up or you have to manually create a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart
[05:53] <definity> de?
[05:54] <EriC^^> Dresk|Dev: yeah, you create systemd units to load them
[05:54] <EriC^^> !systemd | Dresk|Dev
[05:54] <EriC^^> definity: desktop environment
[05:54] <definity> EriC^^: I'm on ssh
[05:55] <EriC^^> definity: oh, add it to your .profile but make something that checks for another instance and doesn't load it if it's already running
[05:55] <EriC^^> that's all i can think of, there might be a better way to do it.. hang on if someone responds
[05:56] <definity> Im using an upstart job atm, it works okay
[05:56] <GWM> I wrote on the shared hangouts I have with my friends on my succceses with this ubuntu derivative, they cast me out as a heretic for not prefering slackware with sysvinit
[05:56] <EriC^^> ok cool
[05:56] <GWM> Such is life
[05:57] <GWM> systemd is haram apparently
[05:57] <SwedeMike> GWM: "resistance is futile, you will be assimilated"
[05:58] <GWM> I have seen the gif yes, I've sent it a few times
[05:58] <Dresk|Dev> I've been using dnsmasq as my DHCP server and DNS server for as long as I can remember, and when I upgraded to 17.04 poor dnsmasq was massacred.  Does NetworkManager have like a built-in dnsmasq now, that is just as fully featured as the standalone?  How does systemd-resolved interfere with dnsmasq (because it seemed to interfere HEAVILY)?  Should I get rid of systemd-resolved?
[05:58] <GWM> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bZId5j2jREQ/U-vlysklvCI/AAAAAAAACrA/B4JggkVJi38/w426-h284/bd0fb252416206158627fb0b1bff9b4779dca13f.gif this one ys?
[05:58] <GWM> yes*
[05:59] <GWM> SwedeMike, I am a proponent of SystemD
[05:59] <GWM> The lone one in my group, I have told them the same
[06:00] <SwedeMike> GWM: everybody is running pulseaudio now, even though there was a lot of hubbub about it in the 00:ties. Now, I don't agree with some of the design choices for systemd but it seems it's the only thing in town that's gained wider adoption when it comes to changing how the system is run.
[06:00] <GWM> But trying to tell that to die hard slackware users, I'll grab sysvinit from their cold dead hands
[06:00] <GWM> Yes I have pointed that out to them, the irony is bitterly swallowed by them
[06:00] <GWM> At one point it got to the point one (tried) to turn purist to ALSA and Jack
[06:01] <GWM> ...It did not end well for him, PulseAudio prevailed
[06:02] <SwedeMike> now, running a DNS resolver in systemd? Yeah, I wouldn't do that. There are a few other things that I think perhaps systemd shouldn't do.
[06:02] <GWM> Who knew expensive wifi headsets liked PulseAudio more than Jack?
[06:02] <GWM> No I cannot advocate for that either
[06:02] <GWM> let dnsmasq or bind do its job
[06:03] <GWM> preferably, as an end user, dnscrypt running via dnsmasq
[06:03] <SwedeMike> DNS is hard, even though people think "how hard can it be?". dnsmasq has had its share of badness as well.
[06:03] <GWM> I once ran a tutorial to run internal BGP via dnsmasq
[06:04] <GWM> It ended... poorly.
[06:04] <SwedeMike> errr... BGP? Really? How?
[06:04] <GWM> Maybe not your standard user case though
[06:04] <GWM> dnsmasq is more used as an outlet for bgp
[06:04] <EriC^^> tarball: try "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" again
[06:04] <GWM> in that scenario
[06:04] <GWM> socket?
[06:04] <SwedeMike> GWM: "outlet"?
[06:05] <GWM> I am not too used to Linux terminology, I know some stuff but eh
[06:05] <GWM> all I can say dnsmasq and iBGP was involved and it was messy
[06:06] <GWM> You may ask "What does DNS have to do with a routing protocol?" well, nothing, and to justify what I did I can't give any reason
[06:06] <GWM> tangentally related? Both touches ISO layers above 4? Questions questions
[06:06] <SwedeMike> GWM: I still don't understand what you tried to do. I know exactly what iBGP is, I've been working with all kinds of ISP core/access/edge for close to 20 years, I just don't understand how dnsmasq comes into the picture.
[06:07] <GWM> SwedeMike, to be honest I don't even remember anymore, I think it was to advertise local services via iBGP and it used dnsmasq to do it, purely home lab enviorment stuff
[06:08] <GWM> maybe dnsmasq was used to direct all dns related stuff, it was some time ago
[06:08] <SwedeMike> GWM: typically people use ExaBGP or something to talk BGP, never heard anyone doing this with dnsmasq.
[06:09] <GWM> I dont know a lot about BGP, OSPF is my routing protocol
[06:09] <randomsheeple> greetings all, I have this well problematic to me 17.04 clean install (changed nothing) multiboot with windows, but boot is amazingly slow, the log jumps (gaps) from 10 sec to 100sec in one line.... my question is what to do
[06:09] <GWM> It was a random tutorial and I did it in a bunch of VMs as homelab stuff, what can I say, I am an idiot
[06:10] <tarball>  EriC^^:  http://termbin.com/r6kx
[06:10] <randomsheeple> then again maybe on 17.04 on dell T7910 it's expected to have a boot time of 158.881110 but really quite unusable
[06:11] <GWM> Sounds like systemd timeouts to me
[06:11] <GWM> but disregard me, I am an idiot
[06:12] <GWM> Now to find out how to mount NTFS partitions in Linux in the year of 2017, in 2009-2010 when I last used linux as DE it was NTFS-3G that was all the rage, and it was very very buggy
[06:12] <SwedeMike> randomsheeple: after it's done booting, do things work normally?
[06:13] <EriC^^> tarball: try sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=10000 && sync && partprobe /dev/sdc then run sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999 again
[06:14] <EriC^^> tarball: sorry add a sudo before partprobe
[06:14] <randomsheeple> swedemike: well not really i have this known bug where can'
[06:14] <randomsheeple> swedemike: can't install anything, stuff hangs, and I have the bug number but no idea how to circumvent
[06:15] <randomsheeple> swedemike: *installs hang... everything else works like a charm
[06:15] <randomsheeple> swedemike: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1688721
[06:15] <GWM> Hey NTFS works great, automagically mounted and R/W, sadly I need a new kernel so going by previous experience in this situation; RIP
[06:16] <SwedeMike> randomsheeple: doesn't it work to install things using apt-get install instead?
[06:16] <randomsheeple> nope
[06:16] <tarball> EriC^^:  should i run this command?        sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=10000 && sync && sudo partprobe /dev/sdc then run sudo parted - l | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:16] <randomsheeple> apparently i have no gconf
[06:16] <randomsheeple> so apt-get bugs out too
[06:18] <randomsheeple> swedemike: apt gets and installs wind up with :   E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:19] <randomsheeple> which really hampers everything, like I have to use browser based irc client since I can't install any others
[06:20] <randomsheeple> but really that bug will be fixed someday, however a boot time of 3 minutes is borderline maybe I'll step back off linux and back to windows
[06:20] <SwedeMike> randomsheeple: well, your problem sounds like it's specific to ubuntu 17.04, not a generic linux problem.
[06:22] <randomsheeple> yeah i just hoped the boot stuff would be somehow quantifiable since the boot log has clearly several huge gaps (in seconds)
[06:24] <SwedeMike> randomsheeple: there is a way to get the line-by-line text during boot, that would probably help in figuring out what's going on. Or is that what you mean by "boot log"?
[06:25] <randomsheeple> swedemike: well I'm not sure been off linux since the nineties.... but im looking at dmesg now for instance so that's what i mean by boot log in this, case also same or similar can be seen in the system log tool opening boot.log
[06:26] <randomsheeple> but it's like fine to 11.29 secs then it's all quiet and then tadaa 100.88
[06:26] <SwedeMike> randomsheeple: ok, there is a way to get into grub (hold down shift during boot, I think), from there it should be possible to turn off the splash screen and get linux to show everything during boot. You can also use the alt-shift-F keys to get into the different VTYs, just like in the 90ties. You hopefully won't have to edit modelines anymore though.
[06:26] <SwedeMike> randomsheeple: I haven't had the need to do this for a while, so my memory is rusty as well.
[06:27] <GWM> Question: What is the (I realize this is subjective) most popular OpenVPN client on Ubuntu?
[06:28] <Muimi> So, while trying to install Ubuntu, I ran into an issue.
[06:28] <randomsheeple> swedemike:is there any key to stop the boot sequence when something odd happens? or is any of the logs like complete enough anyway. I feel looking at the boot would not gain me anything
[06:28] <Muimi> I have all these partitions such as S4, S5, etc.
[06:29] <Muimi> And t
[06:29] <Muimi> well, I don't know which one is the drive I'm trying to use to install Ubuntu on
[06:29] <SwedeMike> randomsheeple: I believe one of the alt-shift-F4 or 5 or something has the classical bootup text, so you can see where it might take a long time to do something. "something odd" is hard to define. I don't know systemd well enough to know if it logs long startup times etc somewhere.
[06:30] <randomsheeple> swedemike: but rly my expectation is that that would not necessarily tell me more? I mean from dmesg I can already see after and before lines regarding these huge timegaps...
[06:32] <randomsheeple> well I shall boot and give it a whirl
[06:37] <EriC^^> tarball: yes
[06:44] <Muimi> so, i'm in windows
[06:45] <Muimi> is there a way I could de-partition drive E?
[06:45] <Muimi> So then the free space could be used for ubuntu?
[06:47] <EriC^^> Muimi: shrink it using the disk management tool
[06:48] <Muimi> ok
[07:46] <john_rambo>  please have a look at this >>>> https://ibb.co/fNPvyF and tell me how to get rid of it ....https://paste2.org/kg23vdA2
[07:57] <notadeveloper> is it possible to host cloudserver on my raspberry pi
[08:38] <knightwise> morning everyon e
[08:42] <yuui-tanabe> Hello.
[08:42] <knightwise> hey yuui-tanabe , how are you doing today
[08:45] <yuui-tanabe> I'm fine thank you. And you?
[08:46] <knightwise> doing ok. Managed to get 16.04 on my old imac
[08:47] <yuui-tanabe> Oh, i haven't enough time. bye bye.
[09:43] <dudeji> Hi , whenever i try to do ssh on usb-modem device , ( directly attached to laptop) , it stops working , but works when i create wifi and connect , ssh works fine , before ssh , usb-device works fine.
[09:44] <kaili> Hello. Do we have a tool to correct charset of filenames and folder's names ?
[09:44] <dudeji> has anybody noticed this issue ?
[10:11] <lovepreet> hi, how do I send logs via syslog to Graylog but also keep a local copy of the logs?
[10:13] <lovepreet> Using Ubuntu and Rsyslog Version 7.4
[10:18] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:19] <Zalabaslea> G'day BluesKaj
[10:19] <BluesKaj> Hi Zalabaslea
[10:20] <Zalabaslea> Hi!!!!!!!!
[10:23]  * BluesKaj needs more coffee
[10:59] <xsmltx> Hi, anyone please help me with this issue? Is the same issue posted on these forums: askubuntu.com : https://goo.gl/G2cRCE ***  linuxforums.org :  https://goo.gl/Oqd7ed *** linuxquestions.org : https://goo.gl/XLv9sd ***  ubuntuforums.org : https://goo.gl/fvYFqa ***  unix.stackexchange.com :  https://goo.gl/DNtXUT Excuse me, but it is a too long story to  tell it again from the beginning. Thank you.
[11:00] <BluesKaj> !crosspost | xsmltx
[11:01] <Haris> hello all
[11:01] <Haris> can we have mysql 5.6.x on 14.04 LTS ?
[11:01] <BluesKaj> xsmltx,  5 URLs, good luck with that
[11:01] <Haris> 5.6.x and 5.7.x ?
[11:03] <xsmltx> BluesKaj: thank you, it is the same issue for all of them, I will try to explain also on irc when I will be a little bit more free
[11:20] <Haris> guys ? how to have mysql 5.6.x or 5.7.x on 14.04 LTS ?
[11:25] <ppf> !info mysql trusty
[11:26] <ppf> !info mysql-server-5.6 trusty
[11:26] <ppf> Haris: ^
[11:43] <Haris> yep. already installed it. common sense told me, everyone may be quiet because its already supported
[11:43] <Haris> thank you all
[11:51] <Jakey3> where do i find logs for telnet
[11:51] <Jakey3> for refused connections?
[11:53] <SwedeMike> Jakey3: refused in what way? by what mechanism were they refused?
[11:56] <Jakey3> SwedeMike,
[11:56] <Jakey3> telnet 111.11.11.111 110
[11:56] <Jakey3> Trying 111.11.11.111...
[11:56] <Jakey3> Connected to 111.11.11.111.
[11:56] <Jakey3> Escape character is '^]'.
[11:56] <Jakey3> Connection closed by foreign host.
[11:56] <shahin> ?
[11:56] <MonkeyDust> Jakey3  next time, use a pastebin .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:57] <Jakey3> ok
[11:57] <SwedeMike> Jakey3: so you're looking into why pop3 is closing connection? Could be /etc/hosts.allow and hosts.deny issue. You can look into /var/log, there should be some log files there that might have information on reason.
[11:57] <Jakey3> yep
[11:58] <Jakey3> in syslog?
[11:59] <SwedeMike> Jakey3: it might be there, it depends on how the logging is set up.
[11:59] <Jakey3> pop3-login: Fatal: Can't load ssl_cert: There is no valid PEM certificate. (You probably forgot '<' from ssl_cert=<)
[12:39] <musician_pro> hi friends <3
[12:52] <damdai> i have 200,000.00 dollar to invest. what should i buy?
[12:53] <cfhowlett> damdai, wrong topic , wrong channel
[12:55] <HackerII> a new mouse
[12:58] <RalphBa> hi all
[12:59] <RalphBa> can anyone explain me, why purging the linux kernel stuff lead to apt wanting to install dracut, and if I include that in purge, it purges mysql-server?
[12:59] <RalphBa> I'm actually pissed off a bit since I simply want to convert a real ubuntu server 16.04 into a systemd container and I can do everything again bacause of that
[13:00] <RalphBa> WHY
[13:00] <cfhowlett> RalphBa, error messages would help: apt purge -s kernelname |  pastebinit
[13:01] <RalphBa> first I tried: apt purge --no-install-recommends linux-base linux-firmware linux-headers-* linux-image-* linux-signed-*
[13:01] <RalphBa> which wanted to install dracut
[13:02] <RalphBa> then to force it not to install
[13:02] <RalphBa> apt purge --no-install-recommends linux-base linux-firmware linux-headers-* linux-image-* linux-signed-* dracut
[13:02] <cfhowlett> RalphBa, no information =  no good answers.  paste the output of the command I sent you.  this will *NOT* execute a purge, it will only simulate
[13:02] <RalphBa> but oversaw that suddenly it wanted to purge mysql-server
[13:02] <RalphBa> and it happened
[13:03] <RalphBa> there are no errors
[13:03] <RalphBa> just unwanted behavior leading to loosing my confs
[13:04] <RalphBa> why "apt purge --no-install-recommends linux-base linux-firmware linux-headers-* linux-image-* linux-signed-* dracut" leads to a purged mysql-server deb? no error, just a dependency hell I assume
[13:06] <RalphBa> what dependency coud mysql have to the linuxkernel or the initramfs?
[13:07] <RalphBa> well, however I assume noone can really offer me a way how to uninstall for containers unnecessary stuff while not killing the system. god thanks btrfs snapshots
[13:12] <andrewsh> hi everyone
[13:13] <andrewsh> Qt5 apps stopped using GTK+ theme, is there anything I can do?
[13:13] <andrewsh> qt5-gtk-platformtheme is installed
[13:13] <andrewsh> but even setting it explicitly doesn't do anything
[13:29] <vimar> HI
[13:45] <Jakey3>  i setup postfix and dovecot trying to get it to work in Thunderbird not having any luck?
[13:46] <RalphBa> hi again
[13:47] <compdoc> Thunderbird is great
[13:48] <RalphBa> so, can anyone help me? I have a real ubuntu server 16.04 installation which should run now as system container on a debian stretch. two problems. first how to pass dns to the container (ip itself works). second how to get rid of the linux-* stuff which is not needed since systemd is the top of the container
[13:49] <MonkeyDust> RalphBa  there's also #lxcontainers
[13:49] <RalphBa> well, want a minimal solution and for an archlinux guest systemd containers are working fine
[13:49] <RalphBa> so the ubuntu guy should too right?
[13:54] <RalphBa> what I am asking myself actually is, why the system depends on an initramfs? would like to purge linux-base without pat wanting to install dracut. as container there is no kernel and no initramfs required
[13:57] <Jakey3> how do i do a curl to pastebin?
[13:58] <vimar> Is anybody using Icq?
[13:58] <MonkeyDust> vimar  20 years ago, i was
[13:59] <vimar> same me ;-)
[13:59] <leftyfb> jackmcbarn_: Jakey3 install pastebinit , then you can pipe things to pastebinit
[13:59] <vimar> Nobody does use it today?
[13:59] <leftyfb> vimar: are you conducting a survey?
[13:59] <MonkeyDust> vimar  better ask in #ubuntu-offtopic, this is the support channel
[13:59] <Jakey3> leftyfb, i thought there was a curl method
[14:00] <Jakey3> ?
[14:00] <vimar> why you did you get to that conclusion leftyfb?
[14:00] <EriC^^> Jakey3: nc is easier, command | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:01] <sebsebseb> hi
[14:02] <vimar> hi sebsebseb
[14:02] <sebsebseb> vimar: hi
[14:02] <leftyfb> vimar: because you're asking if people use a particular piece of software, not for help with anything
[14:03] <leftyfb> that to me sounds like a survey
[14:03] <vimar> MonkeyDust: relax, that whay I do do ask here. You don't like it don't answer nobody does push you to answer.
[14:04] <MonkeyDust> vimar  what i'm saying is, your question is not for this channel
[14:04] <vimar> leftyfb: it's relevant with Ubuntu :-)
[14:04] <cfhowlett> vimar, state your specific support question please.
[14:04] <leftyfb> not in any sense of the manner. its also not asking for help in any way
[14:06] <vimar> MonkeyDust: in your opinion, to which you have the right but it doesn't mean you're right.
[14:06] <MonkeyDust> vimar  stop
[14:06] <leftyfb> vimar: you have yet to ask a support question what can we help you with?
[14:08] <vimar> cfhowlett: what a point if nobody does use it?  I'd ask if someone said is using Icq. This is a point, I've asked if anybody does use it why anybody answer for my question? LOL
[14:09] <cfhowlett> vimar clearly you are here to entertain yourself with needless arguing.  consider yourself /ignored
[14:09] <leftyfb> vimar: is there an issue with ubuntu we can help you with?
[14:09] <vimar> leftyfb: I've asked because I wanted find out what Ubuntu users would reccomend
[14:10] <MonkeyDust> vimar  ok, that's for #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:10] <vimar> Sorry fellas, but because of some individuals here many people doesnt like Ubuntu, linux. You guys are not newbe userfriedly :-(
[14:11] <vimar> You're
[14:11] <sebsebseb> vimar: missed what you were asking about since joined later but
[14:11] <sebsebseb> vimar: if your asking if peopole use icq with Linux
[14:12] <vimar> You  don't have much experience with customer service :-)
[14:12] <MonkeyDust> sebsebseb  his question is not ubuntu related
[14:12] <sebsebseb> well no not really, don't think the client is even available still after all tese years
[14:12] <leftyfb> vimar: pidgin and jabber are the only 2 icq clients in the official ubuntu repositories
[14:12] <sebsebseb> however
[14:12] <sebsebseb> I have seen like linicq or something availalbe in the past
[14:12] <sebsebseb> programs that can do icq
[14:12] <vimar> sebsebseb: no, sorry your'e listening
[14:12] <vimar> sebsebseb: no, sorry your'e reading beetweent words: Icq on Ubunt, not Linux only :-)
[14:12] <sebsebseb> vimar: whats your question?  anything to specific to a program and can be seen as off topic yes
[14:13] <vimar> sebsebseb: I remember Licq, but I used it long time ago
[14:13] <sebsebseb> vimar: yes lin icq or whatever may be out there still, probably not maintained any more, and for Ubuntu or other Linux distros
[14:13] <sebsebseb> vimar: you could maybe also run the real icq in wine now as well
[14:13] <vimar> I don't want wine
[14:14] <sebsebseb> plus alternative programs such as pidgin might have support still not sure now.   or even windows programs similar to pidgin such as trillian that again probably work in wine
[14:14] <leftyfb> vimar: pidgin and licq . take your pick
[14:14] <leftyfb> good luck
[14:14] <sebsebseb> that's about all the help your going to get for your question here right now though, espeically with others saying you were off topic too
[14:14] <vimar> leftyfb: I've seen some apps in repositorium that allows to use Icq among others communicators, thought there's perhaps some new Icq softw
[14:15] <sebsebseb> vimar: for Linux no I highly doubt it
[14:15] <sebsebseb> vimar: since icq is hardly used in general anymore as well
[14:15] <vimar> Then I see Icq just died
[14:15] <leftyfb> vimar: licq and pidgin. those are the options. try then and decide for yourself
[14:16] <sebsebseb> even skype is struggling keeping enough users  of it in Windows and Mac Android etc,  hence a new Skype, but this is really off topic now :d
[14:16] <sebsebseb> vimar: yeh icq is pretty much dead in general I think
[14:16] <sebsebseb> lack of users
[14:16] <vimar> Ok, thanks
[14:16] <sebsebseb> people have moved on to other ways to communicatiate,
[14:17] <vimar> for example?
[14:17] <MonkeyDust> vimar  by going outside and meet real people
[14:17] <leftyfb> !offtopic | vimar
[14:17] <vimar> I do that all the time fella
[14:17] <sebsebseb> vimar: depends, but I guess for example, if we were taking mobile, which we arne't,  propritary things uh such as whatsapp and whateer kik is I guess to
[14:18] <sebsebseb> vimar: yep what ways people communicatie now, is off topic
[14:20] <vimar> I see you calmed down guys a bit then: I do promote Linux in Europe( businesses, schools, magazines, individuals) and I hear a lot about support, help and also opinions about this channel and to be honest you don't have a pretty good opinion what makes people really not liking Linux and back to Windows just because of that.
[14:22] <vimar> If some question you take as not relevant: ignore it. Simply, that will make you not wasting you're time. Because of your arguments you waste your time what you're assuming you don't want. I know some whant to add +10 to its Ego but it doesn't help Ubuntu much. Thanks for reading. have a nice day
[14:22] <ducasse> vimar: stop
[14:23] <sebsebseb> Bischoop: you get who you get
[14:23] <sebsebseb> helping you at the time
[14:23] <sebsebseb> Bischoop: volunteers here
[14:23] <sebsebseb> non paid
[14:23]  * sebsebseb wonders why the name change but oh well
[14:23] <Bischoop> sebsebseb: you really think I'm not aware of that?
[14:24] <Bischoop> sorry but I think you talk offtopic, isnt?
[14:24] <sebsebseb> Bischoop: if you want to go back to Windows, since you felt you didn't quite get the #ubuntu support or chat that you wanted, from someone in this channel, thats up to you
[14:24] <leftyfb> Bischoop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[14:25] <leftyfb> Bischoop: it is not "us". Is is the guidelines of this official support channel. Please read through them to get a better understanding of how to utilize them method of support.
[14:25] <Bischoop> sebsebseb: I were not talking about myself ( problems with understanding what youre reading?)
[14:25] <sebsebseb> Bischoop: Microsoft would love you back, if you spend money on there stuff, if not, they woudn't really care that much probably
[14:26] <Bischoop> sebsebseb: buhahaha I'm using Linux since 90's fella LOL, even my son saw windows first time at school :-)
[14:27] <Bischoop> sebsebseb: I were using Windows 20 years ago only LOL
[14:27] <sebsebseb> Bischoop: then threatening to go back to Windows, since you didn't get the reacton you wanted from people here, is not that valid I guess
[14:27] <leftyfb> Bischoop: do you have a support question?
[14:27] <Bischoop> sebsebseb: I were talking about what people talk, again problems with understaning with reading?
[14:28] <leftyfb> Bischoop: do you have a support question?
[14:28] <Bischoop> leftyfb: why they do talk to me? They talk I do talk too :-)
[14:28] <ikonia> Bischoop: hi there, you're in #ubuntu, a channel for ubuntu technical support only, (check the topic) if you could please focus on that topic, it would be most appreciated
[14:28] <Bischoop> leftyfb: do you have support question?
[14:28] <Bischoop> sebsebseb: do you have support question?
[14:29] <leftyfb> Bischoop: If you do not have a support question or are helping someone else, then please take your discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:29] <ikonia> Bischoop: stop now
[14:29] <Bischoop> ikonia: Hi, this is Ubuntu support Channel. If you have any problems do not hesitate to ak
[15:31] <john_rambo> Does ppa-purge only removes the ppa or does it also uninstalls all the packages installed form the PPA ?
[15:31] <oerheks> it reverses, if possible, to the original packages, john_rambo
[15:32] <john_rambo> oerheks: Thanks
[15:32] <oerheks> else uninstalls
[15:55] <adesai_> Hi guys :)
[15:56] <adesai_> Could you help me with this issue I'm having?
[15:56] <compdoc> maybe
[15:57] <adesai_> After upgrading Linux kernel from 4.4 to 4.12, I cannot see the option to enable WiFi. iwconfig shows no wireless extension.
[15:57] <adesai_> I searched about it, but nothing seems to work
[15:57] <adesai_> compdoc: thanks
[16:04] <oerheks> adesai_, if you upgraded to the latest unstable 12 RC from mainline, you will need to build the driver or dkms yourself AFAIK
[16:06] <adesai_> oerheks: can you tell me how I should do that? Also, thanks for helping!
[16:07] <oerheks> It all depends on what wifi device, and why you installed that kernel
[16:07] <adesai_>  oerheks Do I just need to install dkms?
[16:08] <oerheks> It all depends on what wifi device .. start with that to find out
[16:09] <senaa> after install ubuntu
[16:10] <adesai_> Because I heard they had WiFi improvements in kernel 4.11
[16:10] <adesai_> And in Ubuntu, sometimes all of a sudden my WiFi network would be gone.
[16:10] <adesai_> So I thought that would have been fixed in it
[16:12] <senaa> how to install driver amd radeon r5?
[16:13] <mguy> senaa: what have you tried?
[16:15] <oerheks> as of 16.04, radeon r5 should be automatic have the openAMD gpu loaded, driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[16:15] <oerheks> els the openradeon??
[16:15] <oerheks> adesai_, still waiting for details about what wifi device ..
[16:16] <oerheks> but if you installed the 12 rc from mainline, you usually are on your own, it is just for testing
[16:20] <adesai_> When I'm running lspci, there's no detail for wireless
[16:21] <adesai_> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n
[16:22] <adesai_> Should I revert back to previous kernel?
[16:24] <rizonz> anyone running devboxes, including mysql, and store the data on USB from a VM ?
[16:26] <stantonk> i keep getting fail2ban emails about a certain IP repeat offender attempting to ssh. i've done `ufw deny from x.x.x.x to any`, yet i still see fail2ban attempts. i'm not sure where to start troubleshooting, is it possible the IP is spoofed?
[16:28] <andrewsh> anyone's got any thoughts on my Qt5 question?
[16:36] <skypce> hi all
[16:37] <skypce> do you know some plugin for integrate openjdk 8 to firefox?
[16:37] <skypce> time ago we can use icedtea
[16:37] <skypce> but now it is obsolete
[16:50] <slamd64> hello everyone
[16:50] <slamd64> hope someone can help me out
[16:50] <slamd64> sometimes ubuntu 16.04 just hangs at shutdown
[16:50] <slamd64> what can it be
[16:51] <sebsebseb> slamd64: oh
[16:51] <sebsebseb> slamd64: with what kind of computer, so cpu mainly if 32bit tor 64bit,  how much ram as well, and graphics card, that kind of thing
[16:51] <slamd64> dell latitude e7440 i7-4600u with 12 gb ram and 256 gb ssd
[16:52] <sebsebseb> slamd64: oh
[16:52] <sebsebseb> so a reasonably new computer?
[16:52] <sebsebseb> slamd64: should work well enough with that, but maybe,  this is more of a guess than anything else really, but maybe,  you have for example a swap partition that is massive, and for some reason instead of speeding things up, actsually slowing them down instead at times
[16:53] <sebsebseb> whats the graphics card?
[16:53] <slamd64> sebsebseb: yeah it's a laptop at work and I manually close all apps and sometimes it powers down and sometimes it says stopping services
[16:53] <slamd64> graphics card is intel
[16:53] <slamd64> hd4600
[16:53] <sebsebseb> intel works well now with linux in general
[16:53] <sebsebseb> slamd64: do you have to stay on 16.04, since being lts, or is it allowed to try out newer versions ?
[16:53] <sebsebseb> that aren't lts
[16:54] <sebsebseb> slamd64: the swap thing maybe thats to do with it,  in 17.04 they use a swap file instead
[16:54] <slamd64> sebsebseb: I have a requirement to have sophos endpoint av running which is limited to lts kernels. maybe it is the swap
[16:54] <sebsebseb> by default it would double your ram in swap space in older versions.
[16:54] <slamd64> I installer zram, can that be the problem
[16:55] <slamd64> because I use it for intesive tasks e.g. android studio
[16:56] <sebsebseb> slamd64: this is just after a quick google to check what  I am saying is probably or possibly correct, a google for:  can too much swap slow Linux down
[16:56] <sebsebseb> slamd64: and then this old link came up, just using this as an example really to go with the point etc, but yes: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1517051
[16:57] <sebsebseb> I wouold have thought a 24GB SWAP partition, double your RAM of 12GB,  is just over kill really, but by default the installer may have done that
[16:57] <yeats> slamd64: so the problem is just at shutdown? otherwise running normally?
[16:57] <sebsebseb> and swap is always going to be slower than ram to
[16:57] <slamd64> and thanks for tip, I will try to disable swap, it is sometimes really anoying. it is working really fast, better than preinstalled windows 10. I can even run whole day 2 android emulators without crashing.
[16:57]  * yeats doubts that swap has anything to do with it
[16:57] <sebsebseb> slamd64: for hibernation apparnatly need swap,  I guess for shut down and re booting if having swap that can be effected to a bit , I guess
[16:58] <sebsebseb> slamd64: I said that was a guess, at something that might have something to do with it, but yeats thinks otherwise
[16:58] <slamd64> I don't need hibernation. but sometimes I reach 12 GB of ram and want to prevent freezing
[16:58] <sebsebseb> yeats: seems its a new computer where things should just work, but still the issue, did you see the specs above ?
[16:58] <sebsebseb> also its 12gb ram in there
[16:59] <sebsebseb> stantonk: reaching 12gb ram running what?  most Linux programs in general don't use up that much ram really
[16:59] <sebsebseb> for slamd64
[17:00] <slamd64> sebsebseb: android emulators and gradle. they are really resource hungry
[17:00] <sebsebseb> android emulaters right yeah ok,  and whats gradle ?
[17:01] <yeats> sebsebseb: slamd64: sounds like something kernel-related - if swap were the problem there would be massive performance problems - doesn't sound like that's the problem
[17:01] <sebsebseb> which android emulater/
[17:01] <slamd64> i use pixel api 25
[17:01] <yeats> maybe acpi?
[17:02] <sebsebseb> slamd64:  yeats could be kernel realted that's true
[17:02] <sebsebseb> slamd64: there are ways to run later kernels with ubuntu 16.04  and one way is more supported  but forgot what that was now
[17:02] <yeats> slamd64: you could try booting with "acpi=off" (edit from the GRUB menu on boot)
[17:02] <slamd64> thanks i will try that too
[17:22] <jer> i've got a pascal based 1080 ti which works great with the proprietary drivers once the system is up and running... however, when i boot, it locks up saying switching to evga fb or something like that, and my only way to resolve it is adding nomodeset to the end of my kernel load in grub. i use an ultrawide monitor, so it looks like crap the console; any way to fix this issue to get better fonts on my text
[17:22] <gde33> I have a lazy question, is there some program that allows external/usb drives be detected when I plug them in?
[17:22] <jer> console? (system has no embedded gpu)
[17:23] <kenrin> automount takes care of that gde33
[17:25] <kenrin> Typically they are mounted on access,  but I think you can change the settings in disks to startup instead
[17:26] <BluesKaj> jer, just one gpu ? evga is a brand of gpu iirc
[17:26] <gde33> wow one of them started beeping loudly, apparently it has a speaker
[17:27] <BluesKaj> or is the evga the 1080ti
[17:27] <jer> BluesKaj, no it's a zotac, this is something that's printed in the startup, i forget exactly what it is one sec let me reboot
[17:28] <kenrin> Probably says switching to vga failback
[17:28] <jer> ah yeah, says fb: switching to nouveaufb from EFI VGA
[17:28] <jer> sorry about that
[17:29] <BluesKaj> nouveau driver is defaault , additional drivers should give a recommended driver, should it not?
[17:30] <BluesKaj> I'm on kde/plasma so notg upt o speed on unity and gnome system settings options
[17:31] <jer> additional drivers? in what area am i gonna see that? (sorry, i have mostly been in linux server land for the last 13 years, don't remember a lot and what i do is probably out of date in gpu land)
[17:31] <kenrin> If you search the dash for "drivers" it should be there jer
[17:31] <gde33> kenrin: ahh I was using it with the wrong psu, the one on it was only 150 ma while the right one was 0.65 A :/
[17:31] <jer> ok thanks
[17:32] <gde33> it works now :) kinda cool how it complaint
[17:32] <kenrin> I've never had any luck with additional drivers section to be honest.  Always installed them from CLI
[17:34] <BluesKaj> kwn same here, I use an entry level gerforce210 gpu so i know the the nvidia-340 is the the driver to use and install via the konsole
[17:34] <BluesKaj> kenrin,^
[17:35] <jer> yeah i installed the 381.22 drivers in the console; and they've been working like a champ in the gui
[17:35] <jer> it's just startup i have to every time add nomodeset to my kernel load, which is annoying, and when i do, the text mode font at startup chars are extremely wide and short. look almost comical
[17:36] <BluesKaj> well, anyway gotta get back to the yardwork for a bit ...bbl
[17:36] <jer> thanks
[17:41] <Ice_Strike> I have logged as user
[17:41] <Ice_Strike> how do I login as root from normal user?
[17:42] <Fuchs> under ubuntu you don't
[17:42] <kenrin> sudo -i
[17:42] <Fuchs> you can use sudo, or sudo -i to keep it
[17:43] <Ice_Strike> what the difference between sudo and su?
[17:45] <letty> su gives you full root access
[17:45] <letty> sudo can limit you to certain programs
[17:48] <Ice_Strike> OH I see
[17:48] <Ice_Strike> Is it possible to login as root with private key?
[17:49] <Spec> you have the power to set it up the way you see fit, however, this is considered an extremely bad practice
[17:49] <letty> you should only be able to log in as root from the keyboard
[17:49] <fallentree> Ice_Strike: the difference is actually more involved. Running su requires root password. Running sudo requires the password of the user running it.
[17:50] <fallentree> Ice_Strike: in that anyone can run su, who knows the root pass. But only users listed as sudoers can run sudo.
[17:50] <letty> only people in wheel should be able to run su
[17:50] <fallentree> so sudo is aimed at executing something as another user, while su is aimed at generally changing to another user.
[17:51] <fallentree> letty: maybe, it's been a while since I used su directly
[17:51] <nomic> sudo su gives you root
[17:51] <nomic> username changes (root)
[17:51] <fallentree> yes because it executes su using sudoer escalated privilege. also sudo -i
[17:51] <Spec> su is root.root w/ setuid, pretty sure wheel is not relevant to su capabilities
[17:52] <sebsebseb> Ice_Strike:  sudo is mostly an Ubuntu thing, other distros tend to use su instead on terainl
[17:52] <sebsebseb> terminal
[17:52] <Spec> sudo typically has a default setting allowing users of 'wheel' group to use sudo unrestricted, though. not sure what defaults are on ubuntu currently
[17:52] <letty> Spec: i thought that was the very reason for the wheel group
[17:52] <fallentree> sebsebseb: really? I don't think that's the general case
[17:52] <Spec> letty: not for 'su'
[17:52] <letty> maybe not anymore
[17:52] <fallentree> sebsebseb: unless you mean Ubuntu installs sudo by default while other distros don't
[17:52] <sebsebseb> Ice_Strike: sudo is like an admin account in Windows kind of, well you put in your password for sudo to become roott/password  the one for your usual account
[17:53] <Ice_Strike> Ah I see, make sense now. thank you
[17:53] <letty> fallentree: slackware installs sudo by default but you have to configure it first
[17:53] <fallentree> with the exception that you're limited to run with sudo only that which is defined in sudoers file
[17:54] <sebsebseb> Ice_Strike: then you put in su  and become root in terminal in other distros usally and have a nromal user acccount as well
[17:54] <sebsebseb> Ice_Strike: Ubuntu is just one account by default,  but you can become root/admin when needing it using sudo
[17:54] <sebsebseb> or gksudo for graphical stuff
[17:55] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu doesn't even use a real root account by default to
[17:55] <sebsebseb> let's see fallentree agrees now :d
[17:55] <fallentree> that misconception that the root account doesn't exist in Ubuntu, again...
[17:55] <sebsebseb> it can exist sure
[17:55] <sebsebseb> but its not really used
[17:55] <sebsebseb> or it basicaly exists and gets used but via sudo
[17:55] <fallentree> no, not CAN, it exists, there's no Linux distro without root (uid=0)
[17:55] <Ice_Strike> I did sudo -i and I asked me the password
[17:55] <Ice_Strike> and I logged as root
[17:55] <fallentree> the only thing Ubuntu does it remove root pass so you can't log in DIRECTLY
[17:55] <Ice_Strike> seem to work
[17:56] <fallentree> also there's a difference if you execute stuff as root with or without changing the env with -l
[17:56] <fallentree> so root is a fully qualified user on Ubuntu, it just doesn't have a default password so you can't log in directly.
[17:56] <fallentree> anything else is a misconception about it.
[17:56] <Ice_Strike> what does "sudo root" mean when excuting that from normal user?
[17:57] <fallentree> there's no "sudo root" unless "root" is an executable in your PATH
[17:57] <Ice_Strike> Aha
[17:57] <fallentree> you mean "sudo <some-executable>", and that changes your UID to 0 and executes the file.
[17:58] <Spec> "sudo su -" is how i become root if i need to be root
[17:58] <Spec> the 'su -' lets you become root with reading root profiles/envs, which is useful for things like putting sbin in  your path
[17:58] <fallentree> or sudo -i
[17:58] <SchrodingersScat> Ice_Strike: sudo lets you do things as other users, so sudo -u root <program> may be valid, although repetitive
[17:58] <Spec> yes, sudo -i is probably better
[17:59] <Ice_Strike> Just for experiment
[17:59] <Ice_Strike> I just typed: su
[17:59] <Ice_Strike> and pressed enter
[17:59] <Ice_Strike> and it asking me for password
[17:59] <Ice_Strike> when i enter root passed it failed
[17:59] <fallentree> yes, root's password which in Ubuntu is not defined by default, so you can't become root by using nonexistent root's password.
[17:59] <Spec> Ice_Strike: when you do that, it's asking for your root password (which probably doesn't exist)
[18:00] <Ice_Strike> Ahh I see
[18:00] <Ice_Strike> I get it.
[18:00] <Spec> you can set it if you feel compelled to introduce risk
[18:00] <Ice_Strike> Just learning =)
[18:00] <Spec> win 30
[18:00] <Spec> ww!
[18:00] <Ice_Strike> sudo -i act like a root
[18:00] <fallentree> but when you "sudo su", you escalate to root using your user's password (that's the subtle difference) and execute su to become root, but since you're uid=0 already from sudo, you're not asked for root's pass.
[18:01] <Ice_Strike> even there is no root password
[18:01] <fallentree> much confuse, so convolute :)
[18:01] <SchrodingersScat> Ice_Strike: correct, and you can decide who gets sudo privileges on your machine.
[18:01] <Ice_Strike> Is there a video tutorial about this
[18:02] <fallentree> probably, google will know better :)
[18:03] <SchrodingersScat> Ice_Strike: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ubuntu+sudo+tutorial
[18:03] <akik> Ice_Strike: sudo -i = sudo su - = become root (know user password) su - = become root (know root password)
[18:05] <Ice_Strike> "sudo su -" and "sudo -l" is the same?
[18:05] <akik> Ice_Strike: it does the same thing (that is -i, not -l)
[18:06] <Ice_Strike> cool :)
[18:06] <Ice_Strike> SchrodingersScat thanks for the link bro
[18:06] <SchrodingersScat> Ice_Strike: yep, have fun.
[18:08] <Ice_Strike> WIll Ubuntu desktop ever become popular like windows?
[18:11] <akik> Ice_Strike: we can only hope
[18:12] <RenegadeZed> hello
[18:13] <RenegadeZed> i'm having no network available on my fresh install, plugged in with a wire
[18:13] <RenegadeZed> lubuntu 17.04
[18:13] <fallentree> Ice_Strike: probably not in the way you expect :)
[18:14] <Ice_Strike> only if Linus is serious about it
[18:14] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: no network at all, or just DNS resolving doesn't work? (known issue on 17.04)
[18:14] <RenegadeZed> also to make the system boot i have to add acpi=off before the quiet splash line
[18:14] <Ice_Strike> and I think the driver system on Windows is reliable
[18:14] <Ice_Strike> It just work
[18:14] <kenrin> Ubuntu would have to convince PC makers to only ship ubuntu and not give users a choice,  Thats what Linus said about how android got so popular anyway,  But that is pretty offtopic for this chan
[18:14] <fallentree> Ice_Strike: it's not in his power :)
[18:15] <RenegadeZed> is there any permanent fix to my problems?
[18:16] <Muimi> so if I use dskmgmt.msc and create unpartitioned space....
[18:16] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: no network at all, or just DNS resolving doesn't work? (known issue on 17.04)
[18:16] <Muimi> two questions: I can use the Linux FS (what is it FAT32) on the same HDD that has the NTFS partitions without damaging my hdd?
[18:16] <RenegadeZed> fallentree, how do i make the difference between both? i'm new to this, so noob skills/knowledge of ubuntu
[18:16] <Muimi> And: how do I identify the unpartitioned space while installing ubuntu?
[18:16] <Muimi> @all
[18:17] <fallentree> Muimi: what's dskmgmt.msc? Linux FS, it's not FAT32, ther are several filesystems "native" to linux, most popular is ext4 which Windows can't read without special programs. Linux, however, can read and write NTFS if you need to exchange files between two systems on the same drive.
[18:17] <kenrin> You want to use vfat for the install ?
[18:18] <RenegadeZed> kenrin, hello :)
[18:18] <Muimi> One more.  So, some of my APPs on Windows are supposed to target the drives that will be removed when I create the unpartitioned space.  Will there be any potential to damage the drive (such as the Windows app trying to write data to the Linux partition)
[18:18] <fallentree> Muimi: also, no linux FS will "damage" the drive
[18:18] <Muimi> Oh.  I do want to exchange files, but is there a disadvantage to using ntfs?
[18:19] <fallentree> Muimi: how about we go back to square one and you say what's the end goal you want to achieve. all this sounds like a lot of XY problems.
[18:19] <Muimi> Seems terribly convenient to be able to transfer files back and forth between the two os's.
[18:20] <Muimi> Take over the world.
[18:20] <fallentree> Linux can access NTFS just fine
[18:20] <Muimi> But in the meanwhile, I'm trying to install Ubuntu.
[18:20] <pavlushka> how to autorun a bash script at boot as normal user?
[18:20] <fallentree> Muimi: install in dual-boot with windows, on the same HDD?
[18:20] <Muimi> I guess you could say my end goal is to have Microsoft Word on Ubuntu. :D
[18:21] <Muimi> Yes, a dual boot.  I am also going to eventually remove this Win installation because I think it's severely damaged.
[18:21] <Muimi> install a new version of Windows, and then I'll have Win and Ubuntu.
[18:22] <iw1042> pavlushka: you could probably put it in .bash_login or .bash_profile
[18:22] <fallentree> Muimi: well, yeah you can allocate unpartitioned space from Windows, and then install Ubuntu to that, using a native linux FS like ext4. Windows generally won't touch that partition unless you run programs that do something with it.
[18:22] <pavlushka> iw1042: does systemd supports that?
[18:23] <pavlushka> -s
[18:23] <fallentree> Muimi: the other way around, Linux wont touch or mount windows (NTFS) partitions unless you explicitly state so. So yes, it is possible to damage each other's filesystems unless you know what you're doing.
[18:23] <iw1042> if you use bash as your shell it should be fine, .bash_profile runs every time you boot when the initial shell is loaded
[18:23] <fallentree> Muimi: my advice? IF you can spare a new drive, just buy a new drive and install Ubuntu on that. It will spare you a lot of grief related to dual boot and all
[18:23] <iw1042> pavlushka
[18:24] <RenegadeZed> 2 questions: i have to add acpi=off before quiet splash in the "edit" menu of ubuntu (from grub) to be able to start properly, otherwise i get a black screen and my computer goes into sleep/hibernate mode (and no HDD light blinking, so no activity)
[18:24] <RenegadeZed> question 1. how do i permanently fix this, so that i don't have to add the line everytime i boot?
[18:24] <RenegadeZed> question 2. no internet on the laptop, and i'm plugged in directly, how can i fix this?
[18:25] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: for the second one, have you tried pinging an IP rather than going to a  webpage to test it?
[18:25] <fallentree> Muimi: also not the difference between "damage the filesystem" (as in modify or delete files it shouldn't), and "damage the drive" (as in physical damage to it), the latter being virtually impossible to do unless the drive is already faulty in some way
[18:25] <Muimi> I don't understand-- AHHH
[18:25] <RenegadeZed> pinging google doesn't seem to work
[18:25] <Muimi> No, I can't buy a new drive.  THere's no space in the box
[18:25] <iw1042> try 8.8.8.8
[18:26] <RenegadeZed> ping 8.8.8.8?
[18:26] <iw1042> yeah, google's dns server
[18:26] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: ping -c 3 8.8.8.8
[18:26] <Muimi> This laptop is like welded closed, man.
[18:27] <Muimi> so, I thought I could make like 300-400 gigs of unpartitioned space for Linux, you know?
[18:27] <Muimi> And I just wanted to do it really simple: one partition for everything.
[18:27] <fallentree> Muimi: then you're in for a carnival ride of dual boot, efi, grubs, etc... :)
[18:27] <Muimi> like linux and all my files go onto one partition
[18:27] <fallentree> Muimi: sure, linux can work just fine with that one partition
[18:27] <Muimi> I don't plan to use Windows unless I absolutely have to, really.
[18:27] <Muimi> But that would be pretty rare.  For example, do some C# or something.
[18:27] <kenrin> Why not just erase windows and run it inside a VM ?
[18:28] <iw1042> thats what I would do
[18:28] <iw1042> I switched to linux full time and realized I didnt need windows
[18:28] <Muimi> Every time I use a VM, it ends up being damaged, and then I can't recover the files on it.
[18:28] <fallentree> definitely prefered over dual-boot imho
[18:28] <kenrin> Sounds like a personal problem
[18:28] <Muimi> Well, I probably could recover them, but it would be a huge process.
[18:28] <kenrin> "damaged"
[18:29] <Muimi> Yeah.  Like I set up ubuntu in an  oracle VB and made some programs.  Put it asside, didn't use it for about 4 months....
[18:29] <Muimi> Came back, and it was broken.  No idea why
[18:29] <fallentree> Muimi: that's more a problem of VB and/or underlying filesystem on _windows_
[18:29] <Muimi> not just one, but all of them were broken
[18:29] <Muimi> so you recommend using ext4
[18:29] <RenegadeZed> fallentree, alt f?
[18:29] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: ?
[18:30] <Muimi> I'm just wondering: how do I identify the unpartitioned space on the hdd while I'm installing Ubuntu?
[18:30] <RenegadeZed> can't remember where to add that line of code lol, fallentree
[18:30] <kenrin> It should list it as unpartioned or raw space
[18:30] <fallentree> Muimi: it will autodetect
[18:30] <iw1042> you can usually see what the partition is named
[18:30] <iw1042> that too
[18:30] <Muimi> Probably what I'll do is remove Windows after I get everything transfered over to Ubuntu.  But it's going to take a lot of time.
[18:30] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: what line of code?
[18:30] <RenegadeZed> the ling to ping google
[18:30] <Muimi> It detects like 50 partitions, an my PC only has 5.
[18:31] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: just in the terminal
[18:31] <fallentree> Muimi: 5 that you know of :)
[18:31] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: yeah start the terminal and type that there.
[18:32] <RenegadeZed> ok.. but how do i start the terminal, sorry ima noob, fallentree, iw1042
[18:32] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: are you on ubuntu rn?
[18:32] <kenrin> Hit dash, type terminal.  one should pop up RenegadeZed
[18:32] <RenegadeZed> lubuntu
[18:32] <iw1042> yeah what kenrin said
[18:32] <kenrin> Oh lubutnu,  you'll have to find it in the menu
[18:33] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: should be under system tools or something similar
[18:33] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: Ctrl+Alt-T according to google
[18:33] <RenegadeZed> fallentree, network is unreachable
[18:34] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: try "sudo systemctl status network"
[18:34] <Muimi> god this is so stressful
[18:34] <RenegadeZed> unit network.service could not be fun, iw1042
[18:35] <Muimi> I feel like I'm gonna break my PC by even unpartitioning space, let alone installing an OS and trying to move files
[18:35] <RenegadeZed> found**
[18:35] <Muimi> Is there an Ubuntu version of MS Office?
[18:35] <kenrin> There is libreoffice
[18:35] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: is that in a VM or physical machine? Can you copy&paste output of commands?
[18:35] <Muimi> i don't like libreoffice.
[18:35] <fallentree> Muimi: no
[18:35] <Muimi> MS Office is definitely the best thing out there.
[18:35] <RenegadeZed> fresh install from usb to the HDD
[18:35] <fallentree> Muimi: unless you cound Office365
[18:35] <fallentree> s/cound/count
[18:36] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: whoops, that was for CentOS/RHEL. Try the same thing but with network-manager
[18:36] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: so sudo systemctl status network-manager
[18:36] <Muimi> MS Office (offline) later than 2007
[18:36] <fallentree> then, no
[18:36] <Muimi> in dskmgmt.msc I "delete disk" to open the partition space?
[18:37] <fallentree> Muimi: what's dskmgmt.msc?
[18:37] <Muimi> disk management in windows
[18:37] <Muimi> it's more useful to know how to access it
[18:37] <fallentree> should ask in #windows then :)
[18:37] <Muimi> bye
[18:37] <RenegadeZed> iw1042, what should i be looking for? it did send back some lines
[18:37] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: did it say it was active?
[18:38]  * Muimi rides a large flying trout away, slapping each of your faces on the way out
[18:38] <fallentree> network can be active with it being broken at teh same time
[18:38] <RenegadeZed> loaded and active yup, iw1042
[18:38] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: can you take screenshots and post them with a phone or something?
[18:38] <iw1042> fallentree: I just wanted to see if it would be that easy of a fix
[18:38] <RenegadeZed> screeny of the codes? i can if you need me to for sure
[18:38] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: in particular, when you run `ifconfig` does it return two paragraphs, one starting with lo and another with something like enp3s0 ?
[18:39] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: 'ip a' does the same thing
[18:39] <fallentree> it's ugly tho
[18:39] <kenrin> ifconfig is deprecated though
[18:39] <iw1042> yeah
[18:39] <fallentree> it is, but still installed, and I'm oldschool
[18:40] <kenrin> Ocasionally it won't show some things
[18:40] <RenegadeZed> how do i reset to terminal for new lines ?
[18:40] <iw1042> I just like ip a because its faster to type
[18:40] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: can you elaborate? "reset to terminal"?
[18:41] <RenegadeZed> i got a bunch of codes written doesn't seem like i can input anythig
[18:41] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: ctrl + c
[18:41] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: what did you do to get that?
[18:41] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: yeah are you in vim or something?
[18:42] <RenegadeZed> iw1042, it worked thanks
[18:42] <RenegadeZed> sorry guys im a noob lol
[18:42] <iw1042> Yeah no problem, you're fine. This is the right channel for it
[18:42] <RenegadeZed> the program ifconfig is not currently installed
[18:42] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: maybe better if you posted a screenshot of the terminal when you type `ip a`
[18:43] <iw1042> ^
[18:43] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: btw which ubuntu? I just assumed 17.04
[18:43] <kenrin> What you wanna bet that his NIC just needs the enabled slider bar clicked
[18:44] <fallentree> possible :)
[18:44] <fallentree> but shouldn't it be enabled by default?
[18:44] <iw1042> It's always nice when it's something super easy like that
[18:44] <RenegadeZed> hmm, what would be the faster way to share that screeny with you guys? fallentree, iw1042
[18:44] <RenegadeZed> can i type fall, iw for your names to be lit up? or the full names only?
[18:44] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: fall<tab>
[18:44] <iw1042> I can tab complete names
[18:44] <iw1042> yeah
[18:45] <iw1042> and probably imgur
[18:45] <RenegadeZed> thanks
[18:45] <fallentree> yeah imgur, I think there's an app for that?
[18:45] <RenegadeZed> fallentree: lubuntu 17.04 yes
[18:46] <RenegadeZed> fallentree: iw1042: http://renegadezed.imgur.com/all/
[18:47] <RenegadeZed> damn sorry, i thought i copied last one lol
[18:47] <iw1042> yeah nothing there now
[18:48] <RenegadeZed> iw1042: fallentree: http://i.imgur.com/FvSdH0h.jpg
[18:48] <RenegadeZed> try this please?
[18:48] <fallentree> I think kenrin will win that bet :)
[18:48] <iw1042> looking like it haha
[18:49] <kenrin> I always forget to hit onboot during installation
[18:49] <iw1042> fallentree: kenrin: to me it looks like there isnt a device getting an ip
[18:49] <iw1042> kenrin: I know how to enable it on centos, not sure if its the same with ubuntu
[18:49] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: is there a network icon, like two arrows in opposite directions, on the .... whatsitcalled... status bar? icon tray?
[18:50] <RenegadeZed> the network thing at the bottom right (tray) keeps "loading" in circles then stops.. then goes on again
[18:50] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: can you right click it or something to get to its menu?
[18:51] <RenegadeZed> left click fallentree
[18:51] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: ok, so is there something under "Ethernet Network"?
[18:51] <RenegadeZed> theres some grayed out
[18:51] <RenegadeZed> ethernet network is grayed out
[18:51] <kenrin> Hit the slider button
[18:52] <fallentree> kenrin: in lubuntu?
[18:52] <RenegadeZed> slider? kenrin
[18:52] <kenrin> Don't know,  shouldn't networkmanager be the same everywhere?
[18:53] <fallentree> I don't know, I also don't have any sliders in Unity
[18:53] <fallentree> I think that's gnome3 specific
[18:53] <RenegadeZed> fallentree: iw1042: kenrin: http://i.imgur.com/Py1tzlS.jpg
[18:54] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: what happens if you click on aute ethernet?
[18:54] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: what happens when you click "Auto Ethernet"?
[18:54] <fallentree> lol
[18:54] <iw1042> haha
[18:54] <RenegadeZed> says self destruction in 5 seco
[18:54] <RenegadeZed> lol jk
[18:54] <fallentree> oh, shi- !!!
[18:55] <RenegadeZed> same thing, endless loop of loading icon
[18:55] <iw1042> what about edit connections? anything that looks useful in there?
[18:55] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: okay, pls screenshot of terminal, command `journalctl -n 40` and make that terminal maximized
[18:55] <fallentree> (might need to sudo that)
[18:55] <iw1042> also, do you have a different ethernet cable you can try? RenegadeZed
[18:56] <RenegadeZed> the one plugged into my main pc iw1042
[18:56] <iw1042> well that won't work haha, do you know for a fact that the one you're trying to use works?
[18:56] <fallentree> (stupid side-question, is it plugged on the other side?)
[18:57] <fallentree> (( as in, make sure it really is plugged in, not just half-plugged or something ))
[18:58] <fallentree> though I think if it weren't, that ip output would show nocarrier or something (or was that ifconfig)
[18:58] <RenegadeZed> fallentree: http://i.imgur.com/ZWwH4SY.jpg
[18:59] <RenegadeZed> fallentree: yes, it is, i have a greenlight showing on my laptop too, so it's detecting a plugged in ethernet cable
[18:59] <fallentree> otoh suspects in order of likely: bad cable, no dhcp on the router side (or mac not allowed), weird chipset with broken driver
[18:59] <iw1042> fallentree: do you know why its multicast?
[18:59] <fallentree> aha! dhcp request timeout!
[19:00] <iw1042> o shit yeah, thats it
[19:00] <RenegadeZed> when the laptop was on windows xp, i couldn't use internet explorer to connect to the internet.. it was only able to connect to msn.com lol not sure if its helpful fallentree iw1042
[19:01] <iw1042> fallentree: would the best thing to do here to scan the network for an open IP and just set it manually to bypass DHCP?
[19:01] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: it is, sounds like constrained network
[19:01] <fallentree> iw1042: it could be a quick test
[19:01] <iw1042> I forget arp scan syntax lol
[19:02] <RenegadeZed> fallentree: it's a router from videotron, montreal, quebec, canada
[19:02] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: no idea what that means to this problem, though.
[19:02] <pmitros> Hello. I downloaded a Windows 8.1 ISO file from Microsoft. I wanted to write it to a USB stick. I just used dd (dd if=/home/pmitros/Downloads/Win8.1_English_x64.iso of=/dev/sde). When I try to boot from it, the computer tells me the USB stick is not bootable. I think I'm missing some step. Any ideas?
[19:03] <iw1042> pmitros: you might have to write it to a speific partition if the usb has them?
[19:03] <RenegadeZed> this isnt a windows forum tho pmitros
[19:03] <Ichimusai> dd is not for burning iso actually.
[19:03] <iw1042> Ichimusai: then what is it for? I use it for work all the time
[19:03] <pmitros> Renegade: The question is about how to write a bootable ISO from Ubuntu.
[19:04] <RenegadeZed> all good :)
[19:04] <fallentree> pmitros: the answer is dd or cp. but iirc windows ISOs were never that simple, required something special, can't remember what now. maybe ask in #windows.
[19:04] <Ichimusai> iw1042: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1306867
[19:04] <pmitros> Renegade: If I happened to have a non-Ubuntu computer, there are appropriate forum posts describing the steps. It's the combination of Windows ISO and Ubuntu machine that's the problem.
[19:04] <iw1042> yeah I've had issues with windows iso's and dd in the past as well
[19:05] <fallentree> no the problem is in windows iso. there is no tool in Ubuntu that would make this different.
[19:05] <frostschutz> pmitros, the question is, was that iso file made with usb sticks in mind. whether it works or not depends on the iso file, not which method you use to write to usb (as long as you write it)
[19:05] <pmitros> When I Googled around, a lot of people had to write some kind of UEFI headers or similar for making it bootable.
[19:05] <pmitros> But the steps were specific to Linux bootloaders.
[19:05] <iw1042> Ichimusai: so dd works for linux isos but not windows?
[19:05] <frostschutz> pmitros, you can verify the iso was written correctly: `cmp /dev/usbstick yourfile.iso` should say `EOF on yourfile.iso`
[19:05] <iw1042> Ichimusai: I didn't know that
[19:05] <fallentree> oh yeah, i remember. I had to unpack the iso, copy its contents to an NTFS partition on the stick, then add grub with a manual entry that chainloads the partition....
[19:05] <Ichimusai> iw1042: dd is god for making verbadim copies of block devices, that's not always the same thing.
[19:05] <RenegadeZed> have you tried to use rufus with the iso option instead of the dd option?
[19:06] <pmitros> I have not tried rufus
[19:06] <iw1042> Ichimusai: that's interesting, is there something else you recommend for linux iso's? dd has always worked for me in the past
[19:07] <Ichimusai> iw1042: wodim works even with UEFI devices.
[19:07] <Ichimusai> iw1042: growisofs is also alright
[19:08] <pmitros> Hmmm. Rufus claims to require windows, so it doesn't seem to be useful for me.
[19:08] <pmitros> fallen: Do you know if there's a writeup of that somewhere? That seems complex.
[19:08] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: you can try forcign a temporary static IP to see if the problem is only in dhcp
[19:08] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: let's assume your network is the usual consumer 192.168.0.0/16
[19:09] <iw1042> Ichimusai: thats good to know, thanks. I'll probably keep using dd until it doesnt work anymore though haha
[19:09] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: `sudo ip addr add 192.168.1.97 dev enp4s6`   -- that last number is made up, far enough from beginning and the end of /24
[19:10] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: then try   `ping -c 3 192.168.1.1`
[19:10] <pmitros> fallentree: Holy crap. What you're describing appears to be correct, and insanely complex. I found instructions for MacOS. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/pro-tip-how-to-create-a-bootable-usb-drive-to-install-windows-on-os-x/
[19:10] <iw1042> classic windows, making things super difficult
[19:10] <fallentree> pmitros: I had to do it after failing with unetbootin or whatsit, and a myriad of "how to" for ubuntu Q&As
[19:11] <fallentree> pmitros: it's not complex at all and makes sense. the only complex part is grub config, but turned out, its autodetect and OS prober found it automagically, I just had to select the proper line when rebooting into USB
[19:12] <fallentree> in fact I was in for a rough fight with it, but was pleasantly surprised how easy i twas. Mind you, that was win 8.1 and no EFI things
[19:12] <pmitros> fallentree: I am installing Windows 8.1
[19:12] <Ichimusai> iw1042: In order to make an iso file bootable for both disc and usb you have to do some black magick inside the iso file.
[19:13] <RenegadeZed> fallentree: network unreachable
[19:13] <Ichimusai> iw1042: dd can't do this, it needs some more logic :)
[19:13] <iw1042> makes sense
[19:13] <Ichimusai> iw1042: Different boot systems, and for UEFI it must NOT look like a massa storage device.
[19:13] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: hrm... then you'd have to find out the ip space your network is using
[19:14] <RenegadeZed> how?
[19:14] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: any chance that the router simply requires every device allowed manually through its MAC address? It's not unusal for wifis, for example
[19:14] <RenegadeZed> can i netstat -r in windows 10
[19:14] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: no, but you can check your IP addr in windows :)
[19:14] <fallentree> then just reuse that one in Ubuntu with the above ip addr command
[19:15] <RenegadeZed> 184.161.70.61
[19:15] <fallentree> uh that's a public IP
[19:15] <fallentree> your router assigned your computer a public IP directly?
[19:15] <RenegadeZed> hmm, you mean gateway6
[19:15] <Thete> Anyone know how to install ubuntu to a secondary drive without it destroying my windows EFI boot record?
[19:15] <RenegadeZed> ?*
[19:15] <Thete> I did not have this problem on previous versions of buntu
[19:15] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: nope, that's something elsee
[19:15] <RenegadeZed> when i type ip on google i get 184.161.70.61
[19:16] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: eh yeah, that's the public IP of the router on the WAN side. we need your IP on the LAN side, and by your I mean your computer's
[19:16] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: you have to do it throught the windows command prompt
[19:16] <iw1042> ipconfig I think?
[19:16] <RenegadeZed> ok ill try that iw1042
[19:16] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: if you have a windows machine in that network, just rightclick-or-whatsit something something to get the network info, or run a terminal too and try ipconfig  (not IF but IPconfig)
[19:17] <fallentree> ipconfig /a     iirc
[19:17] <RenegadeZed> IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.186    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
[19:17] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: is the 186 one
[19:17] <fallentree> I was close :)  so try that ip addr command, use 192.168.0.97 for address
[19:18] <Thete> I should not have to repair my EFI bootloader for win 10 just cause I install buntu 17.04
[19:18] <fallentree> (or anything as long as it's not 186 which is your windows' ip)
[19:18] <fallentree> Thete: dual-boots have always been a mess IMHO. if you can spare another drive, that's the most painless approach.
[19:18] <iw1042> There could be more stuff on his network that it could conflict with
[19:18] <Thete> this has happened to me twice now
[19:18] <RenegadeZed> i did ping -c 3 192.168.0.66 and it gave me some codes
[19:19] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: from ubuntu?
[19:19] <fallentree> where did .66 come from?
[19:19] <RenegadeZed> yes, i used 66 as last numbers, was wondering if i could use 666 actually fallentree
[19:19] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: no, those numbers run from 1 to 255
[19:19] <RenegadeZed> oh /sadface lol
[19:19] <fallentree> RenegadeZed: so pinging yourself is not what you want. try the router, probably 192.168.0.1
[19:20] <fallentree> or simply... try pinging out. ping -c 3 8.8.8.8  that's google's dns
[19:20] <RenegadeZed> unreachable when i do 192.168.0.1
[19:20] <fallentree> if that works, it means what I thought it meant, dhcp is somehow broken or requires authorization
[19:20] <RenegadeZed> google unreachable
[19:20] <iw1042> when you try 8.8.8.8 it says google is unreachable?
[19:21] <RenegadeZed> nope network unreachable
[19:21] <RenegadeZed> sorry
[19:21] <fallentree> the router is unreachable?
[19:21] <fallentree> (brb, gotta go run some errands)
[19:21] <RenegadeZed> yeah 192.168.0.1 is unreachable
[19:22] <iw1042> does the output of ip a have the ip you assigned manually now?
[19:23] <RenegadeZed> inet 192.168.0.66/32 yup iw1042
[19:23] <iw1042> That's really weird
[19:24] <RenegadeZed> lemme do a call to videotron ;)
[19:24] <iw1042> and the network options in the status bar still don't to anything?
[19:25] <RenegadeZed> enp4s6 shows up
[19:25] <iw1042> can you click on it or still just the loading icons?
[19:25] <RenegadeZed> when i click on it says connection activation failed
[19:26] <iw1042> that's different
[19:26] <iw1042> I'm not really sure what else to try, tbh
[19:26] <Thete> fallentree: it is going to a spare drive, but for some reason, during install grub is completely overwriting the EFI records that are already there, I guess I could try disabling the primary drive and let it install it to an EFI partition on the secondary
[19:26] <Thete> another question, I can't get ubuntu installer to load with a 1080 TI, video signal just cuts out during boot
[19:27] <Thete> is there a way to force text mode install?
[19:29] <xsmltx> Any idea please someone where to place these two commands to automatically start when Linux boots up at the very beginning? "sudo ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off speed 100 duplex full" + "sudo dhclient eth0" ? Thank you.
[19:29] <tomich> hello. I updated totem today and it broke. anyone else had this issue?
[19:29] <tomich> (totem:15017): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_strsplit: assertion 'string != NULL' failed
[19:29] <tomich> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[19:36] <generic> not one day without a firefox crash
[19:36] <generic> beeing the worst is although the kernel is running the system gets slowed to beeing almost unuseable
[19:36] <FMan> it never crashes for me, but today it wanted me to download an update from Google Play on Windows 10
[19:37] <generic> havent seen crashes on windows either
[19:37] <generic> but crashes on ubuntu and gentoo all the time
[19:37] <FMan> it doesn't crash for me on Ubuntu either
[19:37] <generic> i wonder if it crashes on android too
[19:37] <FMan> you may be doing it wrong
[19:38] <generic> what can I do wrong ? open fb ?
[19:38] <RenegadeZed> fallentree: back
[19:38] <FMan> I don't know about that: I have used the built-in Android browser
[19:38] <generic> android-x86 crashed too
[19:38] <FMan> somehow you open it in an incomaptible way
[19:39] <generic> if i remember correctly
[19:39] <FMan> or maybe Firefox just really, really hates you
[19:39] <generic> each and every day ?
[19:40] <RenegadeZed> iw1042: i connected with wifi XD
[19:40] <FMan> perhaps you are too generic and need to be more specific
[19:40] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: Oh nice! was that an option all along or did it only work recently?
[19:40] <RenegadeZed> called the support from videotron, he told me to restart the laptop
[19:40] <generic> RenegadeZed: did you change your mac-address ?
[19:40] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: and that did it? haha
[19:40] <iw1042> should have recommended that
[19:40] <generic> RenegadeZed: oops lan-cards have mac-address too
[19:40] <RenegadeZed> iw1042: it wasnt working at all, thats why i was trying to plug the wire in
[19:41] <iw1042> ohh gotcha
[19:41] <RenegadeZed> he did a full remote reboot of all my hardware (router etc)
[19:41] <RenegadeZed> not sure if it helped
[19:41] <iw1042> probably didn't hurt
[19:41] <RenegadeZed> it's weird that my wifi works but the plugged in wire doesn't
[19:42] <RenegadeZed> ok just gotta fix my last problem now
[19:42] <generic> FMan: i have very little bandwith and I actually notice when a trojan is using parts of it :)
[19:42] <FMan> lol
[19:42] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: what was the other problem again?
[19:43] <RenegadeZed> if anyone interested, fresh lubuntu install, black screen when booting, looks like my computer goes in hibernate/sleep mode.. no hdd light blinking, so no activity from hdd when on black screen
[19:44] <generic> sounds like uefi problem
[19:44] <generic> new laptop ?
[19:44] <RenegadeZed> only thing to fix it is everytime i boot i have to put acpi=off before the quiet splash command in grub.. any way of permanently fixing this without having to enter the command manually everytime
[19:45] <RenegadeZed> really old laptop generic
[19:45] <generic> edit grub.conf
[19:45] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | RenegadeZed
[19:45] <RenegadeZed> fromlxterminal?
[19:45] <generic> nomodeset isn't a good idea if you wanna run x
[19:45] <RenegadeZed> nomodeset doesn't work.. lol.. everytime someone thinks it's the ultimate answer XD
[19:46] <generic> RenegadeZed: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[19:46] <RenegadeZed> oh generic, ima noob tho. all the knowledge i have on linux/ubuntu/lubuntu is 2 days old..
[19:46] <RenegadeZed> ;)
[19:47] <RenegadeZed> where to i put that in?
[19:47] <Bashing-om> generic: ^ a fact , But if it is graphics related , can then look at the situation and perhaps install the proper driver for the display :)
[19:47] <generic> RenegadeZed: use editor on /boot/grub/menu.lst
[19:48] <generic> RenegadeZed: nano / vi
[19:48] <generic> RenegadeZed: emacs
[19:48] <RenegadeZed> so reboot on grub holding shift?
[19:48] <generic> RenegadeZed: ??
[19:48] <generic> RenegadeZed: lxterminal is fine
[19:49] <RenegadeZed> oh ok thanks
[19:49] <RenegadeZed> yeah everything you write sounds kind of chinese XD
[19:49] <generic> too generic ..
[19:50] <Bashing-om> RenegadeZed: If it is a ACPI issue, have you considered " < TJ-> ACPI == Advanced Configuration and Power Interface. It provides a way for the PC firmware (UEFI/BIOS) to declare to an Operating System how to control its platform-specific hardware.  ACPI provides several in-firmware 'tables'. One such is the Differentiated Services Description Table (DSDT).
[19:53] <RenegadeZed> back sorry
[19:53] <generic> RenegadeZed: /boot/grub/grub.cfg is better maybe
[19:53] <RenegadeZed> si y'a de la poussiere ça peut etre un probleme
[19:53] <RenegadeZed> sorry WC
[19:53] <generic> i don't know which one is prefered
[19:54] <RenegadeZed> permission denied.. sudo?
[19:54] <generic> sure
[19:54] <generic> necrit pas sans sudo
[19:55] <RenegadeZed> command not found6
[19:55] <generic> gedit ?
[19:55] <iw1042> or vi
[19:55] <iw1042> comes with everything
[19:56] <RenegadeZed> gedit not installed
[19:56] <Bashing-om> RenegadeZed: SOP, if ya gonna edit a file .. make a back up 1st . Never can tell what "might" happen :)
[19:56] <RenegadeZed> vi works
[19:56] <generic> :
[19:56] <iw1042> RenegadeZed: do you know how to use vi/vim?
[19:56] <RenegadeZed> nope
[19:57] <generic> might wanna look for the word quiet
[19:57] <fl0k1> someone tried anbox on ubuntu 4.10.0-21?
[19:57] <iw1042> okay well I'm not sure what change you're going to be making but I can help you exit and save haha
[19:57] <generic> what was it i for insert
[19:57] <generic> i think
[19:57] <iw1042> yep
[19:57] <generic> then you can edit
[19:58] <iw1042> and then ESC and :wq to exit and save
[19:58] <The_Woodsman> if i'm booting a PC from a flash drive with ubuntu installed, what file format should the flash drive have? NTFS, right?
[19:59] <generic> no
[19:59] <The_Woodsman> generic: what should it be?
[19:59] <generic> usually fat
[20:00] <generic> but you might wanna use https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows (rufus)
[20:01] <Bashing-om> The_Woodsman: "  ubuntu installed," I would think the default file system ext4 in this use case .
[20:02] <The_Woodsman> yeah i guess saying "ubuntu installed" was incorrect. it's just a flash drive with the .iso on it but then when i tried to boot i realized i didn't format the drive
[20:02] <The_Woodsman> generic: thanks for that link. i'll give it a shot
[20:03] <Bashing-om> The_Woodsman: :) generic's link should get ya going .
[20:03] <generic> Bashing-om: think its possible to install grub on any filesystem
[20:06] <Bashing-om> generic: Sure one can . Depends on what grub ( GRand Unified Bootloader) is booting up .
[20:06] <generic> Bashing-om: but then execution is transfered from bootsector to partition(start?)
[20:07] <generic> Bashing-om: grub reads fs-information ?
[20:07] <RenegadeZed> iw1042:
[20:07] <Bashing-om> generic: About the best boot turorial I have seen: https://iam.tj/kb/pc/boot/#a_bootloader
[20:07] <RenegadeZed> iw1042: it was for the acpi=off problem.. i don't want to have to type it everytime i boot the laptop
[20:08] <generic> Bashing-om: i can remember the multiboot-header though..
[20:08] <generic> Bashing-om: nice diagram
[20:09] <Bashing-om> RenegadeZed: Turning ACPI off may not be the best solution . We can try changing the DSDT; see then .
[20:10] <RenegadeZed> Bashing-om: only solution that worked tho ;)
[20:10] <RenegadeZed> but yeah im ok with everything
[20:10] <RenegadeZed> gotta leave and get my gf at work in 20ish minutes tho
[20:11] <generic> Bashing-om: so the first part of grub is below 0x1fe ?
[20:11] <Bashing-om> RenegadeZed: All I am saysibg is that disabling " Advanced Configuration and Power Interface" can have serious consequences .
[20:12] <generic> Bashing-om: and then loaded to 0x7c00 ?
[20:12] <Bashing-om> generic: stage one of grub resides in sector 0 of the hard drive .
[20:13] <RenegadeZed> Bashing-om: it took 2 days, with about 5 different persons, until someone said to try acpi=off.. only thing that worked and made me boot into lubuntu for the first time.. it wasn't a permanent fix
[20:13] <RenegadeZed> but like i said, if you have any, true permanent fix, i'm up for it
[20:13] <Bashing-om> generic: stage 1.5 and 2 are where ever grub's config files may be located .
[20:14] <generic> Bashing-om: but these are somewhere in sector 1-2047 i suppose
[20:15] <RenegadeZed> software update is installing stuff atm
[20:15] <generic> Bashing-om: finally i have an answer why i cant use the first 2048 sectors on flashdrives
[20:16] <generic> Bashing-om: thought it was reserved for installing trojans :)
[20:17] <Bashing-om> RenegadeZed: Let's play with some optiopns . Pastebin : sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows " . see about if can have Linux pretend to be the latest Windows versions table to match the hardware .
[20:18] <Bashing-om> generic: LOL .. Welcome to open source where there are no secrets :)
[20:18] <generic> Bashing-om: why the hell is my firefox crashing all day long then :(
[20:18] <RenegadeZed> Bashing-om: in lxterminal right?
[20:19] <hanshenrik> any chance howdoi could be backported to 16.04? https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=howdoi
[20:19] <Bashing-om> generic: FF crashing. could be any number of things , Got enough ram for what you do ?
[20:20] <generic> Bashing-om: 2G not sure but there isn't much stuff opened
[20:20] <generic> Bashing-om: seems to be javascript related
[20:20] <schahermacher> i am on ubuntu from usb i am unable to open live stream in youtube through firefox
[20:20] <schahermacher> any way around that?
[20:21] <generic> schahermacher: apt-get install flash-installer
[20:21] <RenegadeZed> Bashing-om: software updater is installing updates, am i going to throw a stick in it's front wheel if i use that command while it's going 60km/h on it's bicycle?
[20:22] <hanshenrik> schahermacher, try chrome?
[20:22] <hanshenrik> ( https://google.com/chrome )
[20:22] <generic> schahermacher: apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[20:22] <MrGrymReaper> Hello everyone.
[20:22] <hanshenrik> generic, youtube's live streams are in html5, not flash
[20:22] <Bashing-om> RenegadeZed: Yeah . In terminal execute the command, and copy and paste the output to a pastebin site . Give the link back here .
[20:23] <generic> schahermacher: i think you need mesa for running html5
[20:23] <hanshenrik> (that said, the only Flash player that has been stable/performant in linux for me, has been Chrome's pepperflash)
[20:23] <generic> schahermacher: see if glxinfo throws error
[20:23] <MrGrymReaper> Does anyone know why the DVBLogic TVButler 100tc doesn't have a set of hardware interface, files in /dev/dvb (or the dvb folder)?
[20:23] <schahermacher> generic: what's mesa?
[20:23] <RenegadeZed> sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT says sudo: strings: command not found
[20:24] <generic> schahermacher: opengl library
[20:24] <Bashing-om> RenegadeZed: Will not interfere, but may slow down the process . No rush on my part to see the result .
[20:25] <schahermacher> generic: how to install it, packages you mentioned above are not found apparently
[20:25] <RenegadeZed> Bashing-om: i have to run away a couple hours. thanks for the help, hope to see you around again
[20:25] <Bashing-om> Renegade334: K ,, this is a laptop machine right ?
[20:27] <schahermacher> generic: how do i install that?
[20:27] <generic> schahermacher: usually mesa is installed on a linux-system already
[20:27] <schahermacher> generic: i can
[20:28] <MrGrymReaper> Can anyone please create for me udev rules for the DVB-T tuner of the DVBLogic TVButler (recognised under linux as TS Aggregator)?
[20:28] <schahermacher> generic: i can't get plugins installed, playback is still unavailable
[20:28] <generic> schahermacher: apt-cache search mesa
[20:28] <Bashing-om> Renegade334: Command as given is valid : my result : http://termbin.com/3kwq .
[20:32] <generic> schahermacher: why not try apt-get install flashplugin-installer :)
[20:38] <akik> Bashing-om: RenegadeZed left
[20:38] <ldsh> Hi, when I write a text in my browser (like an email or so), where is the temporary text saved (before the message is sent)?
[20:39] <Bashing-om> akik: Thanks .. smart filter in use and I do not catch the quits .
[20:41] <ldsh> I should probably said cached.
[20:41] <generic> ldsh: guess you're not gonna find out unless you do some serious code-reading
[20:41] <generic> ldsh: about:cache ??
[20:42] <MrGrymReaper> Does anyone please have a tsaggregator udev rules file?
[20:42] <generic> ldsh: but i don't think you'll find something there
[20:43] <ldsh> generic, My issue is that my browser crashed when I was writing a long text, and I'm wondering if it would be possible to copy back this text (the browser is still in non responding mode).
[20:44] <generic> ldsh: i tried to grep a phrase i entered on dpaste.de in .mozilla
[20:44] <generic> ldsh: and to my surprise i found it
[20:45] <generic> ldsh: go to .mozilla
[20:45] <generic> ldsh: and use grep -r phrase *
[20:45] <generic> ldsh: you need one word from the text though
[20:45] <ldsh> generic, Good idea, I made a capture of the end of the message I was writing, so this should work :)
[20:46] <generic> ldsh: and use grep -r "end of message" *  then
[20:47] <generic> ldsh: sessionrestore-backup/recovery.bat was one hit
[20:47] <generic> ldsh: sessionrestore-backup/recovery.js was the other one
[20:48] <generic> ldsh: find . -name recovery.bat -print might get you there
[20:49] <generic> ldsh: at least I'm not the only one with non-responsive browsers here
[20:49] <generic> ldsh: let me guess you're using firefox ?
[20:50] <ldsh> generic, I'm using Firefox and have this issue since the last upgrade (to 04.17)
[20:50] <ldsh> generic, That's pretty annoying...
[20:51] <generic> ldsh: don't tell me stuff i already know :(
[20:51] <kjwehf> hey gais
[20:52] <generic> ldsh: works fine on windows tough
[20:52] <ldsh> generic, With what do you read the recovery.bak file?
[20:52] <generic> ldsh: less ?
[20:52] <ldsh> generic, Was working fine for me under linux too.
[20:53] <generic> ldsh: no problem at all some years ago
[20:55] <generic> ldsh: /home/username/.mozilla/firefox/profilestring.default/sessionstore-backups/recovery.bat
[20:55] <generic> ldsh: there is only one profile so its easy to find
[20:56] <ldsh> generic, grep doesn't seem to find it. But when looking inside the file, I don't see much spaces, and lots of random looking letters.
[20:57] <generic> ldsh: open it with gedit and search for a word/phrase
[20:58] <generic> ldsh: or open it with firefox :)
[20:59] <generic> ldsh: could be that the backup wasn't written though
[20:59] <ldsh> generic, It is written, and big (1.4 MB), but dosn't seem to contain the words :s
[21:01] <generic> ldsh: omg 1.4 mb there is something fishy
[21:01] <generic> ldsh: make a backup
[21:02] <generic> ldsh: mine is 32k
[21:03] <ldsh> generic, And Firefox is currently using 2.8GO in ram (Stil do not want to close, I tried to kill it without success)
[21:03] <generic> ldsh: lol
[21:03] <teward> ldsh: I presume you did `sudo killall -9 firefox` ?
[21:03] <generic> ldsh: firefox is fucking the kernel bigtime :)
[21:03] <teward> !language | generic
[21:04] <ldsh> teward, no, just a "kill pid"
[21:06] <generic> ldsh: should have said brute forcing
[21:06] <ldsh> Strange, seems that what is causing the issue with firefox also prevent the system monitor to run.
[21:07] <teward> ldsh: try `kill -9` then - normally `kill` is sending a SIGTERM - a code 15, whereas a kill -9 will usually torpedo the process running instantly without giving it a chance to die off gracefully
[21:08] <Skylo> hi guys. I have a problem with a wifi usb adapter. Since 4.2 there should be a driver in the kernel . I just update and ran a custom driver before. Now i wanna use the kernel driver, but I'm not finding any info how to let ubuntu know .
[21:08] <Skylo> i removed the driver from modules (i guess) since when i run lsmod there is none
[21:08] <ldsh> teward, Doesn't seem to help stop freezing. Seems I'll have to reboot
[21:08] <generic> skylo: unplug and plug the thing and see dmesg
[21:09] <teward> ldsh: no, but it'll kill firefox.  I'd check dmesg though for any odd reports, and as for 'freezing' I came in late, what exactly is happening on your environment?
[21:09] <teward> Firefox and everything freezes up?
[21:09] <generic> ldsh: make a backup of that bak file
[21:10] <generic> teward: happens to me too seems that the input-loop is bugged
[21:10] <ldsh> generic, done
[21:10] <Skylo> generic: i did... it seems to find it.. since i see no timestamp
[21:11] <generic> skylo: so what does it say ? there should be information about the wifi-adapter
[21:11] <Skylo> generic: yeah it tells me the vendor id etc. product, manufacturer... last 15 something lines are from my wifi
[21:11] <ldsh> teward, I was writing a long tewt, then Firefox just stop responding. With sometimes a windows asking me if I want to force quitting, but ether continue or quit do the same: nothing really change.
[21:13] <Skylo> generic: but not shown in iwconfig
[21:13] <ldsh> teward, The choice I have are "wait" and "force to quit", and the windows is telling me the software is not responding
[21:13] <Skylo> lsusb shows it as ralink
[21:13] <generic> skylo: firmware missing ?
[21:14] <ldsh> teward, "INFO: rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU" in dmesg
[21:14] <Skylo> generic: must be... i run ubuntu 14.04 and update kernel from 3.x to 4.2 ... since 4.2 there should be a driver for my card already in the kernel but it doesnt seem to load
[21:14] <ldsh> teward, also this: CPU: 1 PID: 2823 Comm: firefox Tainted: P      D    OEL  4.10.0-21-generic #23-Ubuntu
[21:14] <Skylo> any ways to check if it is installed or manually reinstall modules
[21:15] <generic> skylo: download the latest firmware and place it in /lib/firmware
[21:15] <Skylo> generic: you mean from my vendor?
[21:16] <generic> skylo: not vendor-specific rather hardware-specific
[21:17] <generic> ldsh: old kernel but still firefox using silly amounts of memory
[21:17] <teward> he left heh
[21:18] <teward> i was about to say that sounds like his CPU is pretty old and not powerful if it's got stalls going on
[21:18] <Skylo> generic: thing is , the driver for my hardware are old. 3.0 kernel old... iLinux (Kernel version 2.6~3.16) driver is from 2015
[21:18] <Skylo> since this is an old kernel , i updated to 4.2 and thought all was set after that
[21:19] <generic> skylo:lsmod doesnt show a wifi module i suppose?
[21:20] <Skylo> generic: no , i uninstalled my custom drivers and since then nothing
[21:21] <Skylo> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1090
[21:21] <generic> Skylo: find out what's inside of that thing broadcom/intel etc
[21:21] <ldsh> teward, Also, when I reboot after this crash, the computer do not completely turn off. Screen is black, but it never start back. I have to force extinction (5 sec on power), than start back.
[21:21] <Skylo> its mediatek
[21:21] <Skylo> generic: mediatek mt7601u
[21:22] <ldsh> teward, Here is the dmesg output: https://pastebin.com/sktCZnFz
[21:22] <generic> Skylo:Ok, cool. See you have a applied the backport patch to rpi-4.1.y. Also need to make sure the Linux distribution (raspbian????) supplies the firmware for an out-of-the-box experience. The driver needs to load /lib/firmware/mt7601u.bin to
[21:23] <Skylo> generic: im not using a raspberry im on PC
[21:23] <Skylo> but i try to get that firmware file
[21:24] <Skylo> generic: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/drivers/net/wireless/mediatek/mt7601u here you see where IT SHOULD be
[21:26] <generic> skylo:http://topics.mediatek.com/en/downloads1/downloads/?sort=product
[21:26] <generic> ldsh: http://topics.mediatek.com/en/downloads1/downloads/?sort=product
[21:26] <generic> ldsh: dammit
[21:26] <generic> ldsh: [38078.005924] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! [firefox:2823]
[21:27] <generic> ldsh: firefox bruteforcing your kernel :)
[21:27] <Skylo> generic: Server not found  . Thx for your help this far btw
[21:28] <generic> skylo: search it on mediatek.com
[21:29] <Skylo> generic: to do what. i dont find any .po file in the archive from their site
[21:30] <Skylo> hm.bin
[21:30] <generic> skylo: to place the firmware in /lib/firmware
[21:32] <generic> skylo: maybe there is no more firmware needed .. see if you can find a "the module is called ... " in kernel
[21:33] <Skylo> generic: i try to find the file
[21:34] <Skylo> generic: i find none in the vendor package... with Mt7601 something.bin...
[21:35] <generic> skylo: https://www.mediatek.com/products/connectivity-and-networking/home-networking these are actually more than just a network-chip
[21:35] <generic> skylo: firmware should be on the chip i suppose
[21:36] <Skylo> generic: ya ... usb and all
[21:38] <Skylo> generic: quick reboot, lets try
[21:41] <Skylo> hmm
[21:42] <Skylo> generic: doesnt seem to have done anything at all that i copied the firmware
[21:43] <generic> skylo: from what i see here https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/drivers/net/wireless/mediatek/mt7601u there is no firmware needed
[21:43] <generic> skylo: try modprobe mt7601u
[21:43] <generic> skylo: and see dmesg
[21:44] <generic> skylo: maybe dmesg|grep firmware
[21:44] <Skylo> last was [  307.774982] usbcore: registered new interface driver mt7601u
[21:44] <Skylo> wat does modprobe do?
[21:45] <generic> skylo: load a kernel module
[21:45] <Skylo> lsmod
[21:45] <generic> skylo: list kernel modules
[21:45] <Skylo> now its in lsmod
[21:45] <generic> skylo: try ifconfig -a
[21:46] <Skylo> generic: nothing there
[21:46] <generic> skylo: not even loopback ?
[21:46] <Skylo> nothing i want there to be :D
[21:47] <generic> skylo: maybe dmesg|grep firmware
[21:47] <Skylo> loopback, eth1 and eth2 (internet via android) is there
[21:47] <Skylo> noting for dmesg grep fw
[21:47] <generic> skylo: dpaste your dmesg
[21:48] <Skylo> https://thepasteb.in/p/qjhLwJDDGNPhB
[21:49] <Skylo> i cant say why it doesnt show in iwconfig
[21:49] <generic> skylo: dpaste is a bit short
[21:50] <Skylo> generic: oh i didnt think you want all the 100+ lines
[21:50] <generic> skylo: did you do make modules_install ?
[21:50] <generic> skylo: i think the kernel still tries to run the old driver
[21:51] <Skylo> generic: never heard of that
[21:51] <Skylo> old driver was named mt7601utar or sth
[21:51] <Skylo> now only mt7601 it seems
[21:51] <generic> skylo: see in /lib/modules and delete the old kernel modules
[21:52] <Skylo> you mean for 3.16 kernel?
[21:52] <msev-> how would i fix chromium being extremly slow to load on ubuntu gnome :)
[21:52] <msev-> while firefox is up right away
[21:52] <generic> skylo: you can delete all of them
[21:53] <generic> skylo: and then run make modules_install in /usr/src/...
[21:53] <generic> skylo: that is if you built your own kernel
[21:54] <Skylo> i updated it via apt-get tbh
[21:54] <generic> skylo: ok then see if you can purge the old kernel stuff
[21:55] <Skylo> generic: you talking gibberish for me right now... purge? how to make modules_install ?
[21:56] <generic> skylo: apt-get purge 3.xx
[21:56] <generic> skylo: apt-get purge linux-3.headers etc
[21:57] <Skylo> etc
[21:57] <generic> skylo: you must see yourself i don't know what packets are on your machine ..
[21:58] <Skylo> it was a fresh install some hours ago
[21:58] <generic> skylo: paste the rest of the dmesg ..
[21:58] <generic> skylo: might be easier
[21:59] <generic> skylo: ok so there is no 3.x modules in /lib/modules ?
[21:59] <generic> skylo: only one directory ?
[21:59] <Skylo> its still running purge
[22:00] <generic> skylo: ouch remember and reinstall
[22:00] <generic> skylo: if it's 3.something
[22:00] <Skylo> generic: remember? ;)
[22:01] <generic> skylo: uparrow ?
[22:01] <Skylo> generic: it has fiinished the first purge
[22:02] <generic> skylo: I suppose it purged more than that
[22:02] <Skylo> dkmes not found
[22:02] <Skylo> :D
[22:02] <Skylo> ups
[22:02] <Skylo> lost a g
[22:03] <Skylo> https://thepasteb.in/p/NxhVywAmZo9IN
[22:04] <MrGrymReaper> I have a device which is a DVBLogic TVButler and was identified as a "TS Aggregator" from "ITE Tech, Inc". udev though has not generated the appropriate device access files. Can someone please provide guidance on what to do next? Though uninterested in using DVBLink software.
[22:04] <generic> skylo: make sure you have a linux-image installed ...
[22:04] <Skylo> generic: ????
[22:05] <generic> skylo: make sure you have a linux-image-4.4-81 ? .. whatever number .. but there is x86-smp etc
[22:05] <generic> skylo: might wanna use synaptic
[22:06] <generic> skylo: Ubuntu 4.8.4-
[22:06] <generic> skylo: fresh install ??
[22:07] <generic> skylo: 14.04 ?
[22:07] <Skylo> generic: yep yep
[22:07] <Skylo> generic: y
[22:09] <generic> skylo: never seen such a short dmesg ..
[22:10] <Skylo> what to do with synaptic
[22:10] <generic> skylo: make sure you have a kernel image installed..
[22:11] <generic> skylo: apt-get install linux-4.2.0-42-generic
[22:11] <generic> skylo: apt-get might do the job too
[22:13] <MrGrymReaper> I'm currently having trouble accessing a recognised tuner under linux-4.8-hwe-16.04-generic kernel? It doesn't have a listing in /dev/dvb how can a cause the creation of a listing?
[22:14] <Skylo> did autoremove too
[22:14] <generic> skylo: but you can see other linux images in synaptic quite easy
[22:14] <generic> skylo: apt-get install linux-4.2.0-42-generic then
[22:14] <Skylo> linux-image-4.2.0-42-generic is already the newest version.
[22:14] <generic> skylo: ok reboot it :)
[22:14] <Skylo> cya
[22:18] <Skylo> hmmm
[22:18] <Skylo> lsmod shows no driver now
[22:18] <Skylo> Generic: what do I do next :D  me the noob
[22:19] <Skylo> never tried to install any drivers in linux
[22:21] <generic> skylo:modprobe
[22:22] <Skylo> generic: missing parameters?
[22:22] <generic> skylo:modprobe mt6001u
[22:22] <generic> skylo:modprobe mt6201u
[22:22] <Skylo> ok
[22:23] <Skylo> maybe reconnect the usb?
[22:23] <generic> skylo: no need
[22:24] <Skylo> and now should it work?
[22:24] <generic> skylo: try ifconfig -a
[22:24] <Skylo> nothing wlan'y there
[22:25] <Skylo> :(
[22:25] <generic> skylo: lsmod shows the module ?
[22:25] <jsdhjsadhada> Hellow guys, Im a little but worried cause today I received an E-Mail to my E-Mail which is configured on Thunderbird. The thing is that this E-Mail is from a guy which works as a distributor of tickets to party where I live The strange thing is that the E-Mail was a forward E-Mail and had a "button" which in theory gave you two free entrances to the party. Obviously I didn't press the button and moved the E-Mail to my junk folder. Can I
[22:25] <jsdhjsadhada> have been hacked? I'm worried that my E-Mail account got spoofed
[22:26] <generic> go ask tuhunderbirdos
[22:27] <Skylo> generic: ya, but i forgot to module rebuild from kernel
[22:27] <Skylo> what was the cmd again...
[22:27] <Fenix_Peregrino_> generic:how can I contact him? is thunderbirds?
[22:27] <generic> Skylo: you cant rebuild the kernel that you didn't build in the first place ..
[22:27] <Skylo> hmmm
[22:27] <generic> Fenix_Peregrino_: /join #thunderbird
[22:28] <Skylo> generic: i mean the old driver works, but i doesnt support certain stuff like monitoring... newer driver should be in 4.2 kernel, but doesnt load for me... can I reinstall 4.2.0 with modules somehwo
[22:29] <Fenix_Peregrino_> generic: thanks!
[22:29] <sebsebseb> Fenix_Peregrino_: a scam email of some sort of fake possibly
[22:30] <Skylo> is there a way to manually install the driver, old driver was located in /etc/Wireless/ somehow
[22:30] <generic> skylo: what's the output of lsmod
[22:31] <Fenix_Peregrino_> sebsebseb: Yes I believe so :( The thing is I have the doubt if with only opening the E-Mail my E-Mail was spoofed or not... I didn't opened the link that E-Mail had but I did read what it said... :(
[22:31] <Skylo> https://thepasteb.in/p/Vmh0QzDg9QZs4
[22:31] <Skylo> seems fine
[22:31] <generic> skylo: think so
[22:32] <generic> skylo: i suppose you need a firmware image
[22:32] <sebsebseb> Fenix_Peregrino_: I  think main thing is to not click on a link in a dodgy email, or open up an attachment in it
[22:32] <Skylo> generic: a "generic" one?
[22:32] <sebsebseb> Fenix_Peregrino_: opening up the email itself,  and more so when running Linux for example, instead of that insecure OS windows for example
[22:32] <sebsebseb> Fenix_Peregrino_: your probably mostly ok
[22:32]  * sebsebseb sometimes opens up emails in Thunderbird with Ubuntu or whatever distro, that are a bit dodgy
[22:32] <generic> Skylo: a new one that works with the new kernel
[22:33] <generic> Skylo: but then dmesg doesn't beg for one
[22:33] <sebsebseb> Fenix_Peregrino_: potentially a email could maybe have something in it, that would infect Windows at least, but with a Linux distro not as likely
[22:33] <Skylo> where? support is crappy
[22:35] <generic> Skylo: usually there is a message in dmesg if its not found so study dmesg :)
[22:36] <generic> Skylo: does iw list do anything ?
[22:36] <Skylo> generic: nothing
[22:36] <Fenix_Peregrino_> sebsebseb: I agree, do you know any way to check If there has been an infection?
[22:36] <generic> Skylo: lack of firmware it seems
[22:37] <Skylo> is there a way to get the kernel 4.2 reinstalled with all modules
[22:37] <sebsebseb> Fenix_Peregrino_: why such paranoia
[22:37] <sebsebseb> Fenix_Peregrino_: most Desktop Linux users don't even run anti virus in it
[22:37] <generic> Skylo: install a newer ubuntu i have mt6201u.bin in /lib/firmware
[22:38] <YankDownUnder> Oooooooo oooooo oooooo! I have discount subscriptions to a very special LINUX version of ANTI-VIRUS! It's only $99.00 AUD per year! (sarcasm)
[22:38] <Skylo> i need 7601u
[22:38] <sebsebseb> Fenix_Peregrino_: and the anti virus that does exist for Linux, just scans for Windows viruses or pretty much, that won't infect Linux
[22:39] <sebsebseb> Fenix_Peregrino_: I think clamav for example won't pick up many LINUX viruees, and malicoisu software like that for Linux is so rare, most of it was just profe of concept, and won't even run with modern versions
[22:39] <sebsebseb> Fenix_Peregrino_: for peace of mind install and try clamav or something lke that if you want
[22:39] <sebsebseb> !virus
[22:40] <oerheks> upgrade to 16.04, would be a solid solution.
[22:40] <generic> https://ufile.io/buprm
[22:41] <generic> cya
[22:45] <YankDownUnder> Dang...no GNU/linux AV sales this month...maybe I should sell swamp land instead... ;)
[22:52] <iCherry> #rip london crash
[23:36] <azizLIGHT> ive added some vpns to network manager, where is this info stored on the filesystem?
[23:39] <SemiNus> Hello
[23:50] <YankDownUnder> azizLIGHT, You may find them under /etc/NetworkManager
[23:55] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[23:57] <OnkelTem> Folks, I can't connect to my phone using ADB. This is what gets into logs: https://apaste.info/vQnN but then adb devices prints empty list
[23:57] <OnkelTem> I tried changing cables, ports - no difference