[00:10] I have an Intel GPU laptop and a thing that runs 40-ish FPS on battery and 60-ish plugged in. I assume it is GPU power saving. Any suggestions to confirm and force the powersaving off if thats what it is? [00:21] is monday here yet..so the new kernel can come out for ubuntu 17.04 and my ubuntu can stop freezing lol [00:23] If your system is freezing NOW, what makes you think a new kernel is going to resolve the issue? [00:25] YankDownUnder, reading the trouble tickets...:P [00:25] bunch of people having same issues...it would not hurt if the people who help here would read them :) [00:27] luis30, Since I can only speak for myself - I concern myself with LTS versions, not interim versions. Stability and long term. Therefore, I narrow my vision into that realm. And unless something directly pertains to what I use and support for my biz and life, it's not a priority. Unless it piques my curiosity - otherwise, it's nearly meaningless - a trifle. [00:28] ubuntu 17.04 is lts [00:28] 16.10 was interim not zesty [00:28] luis30, Um...no. 17.04 is NOT an LTS version, my friend. 16.04 is an LTS version. 18.04 will be an LTS version. 14.04 was an LTS version... [00:30] interesting that ubuntu releases two non lts back to back... [00:30] they only release a lts every 2 years? [00:30] luis30, yeap. that's 4 non lts releases [00:31] Yes. Very logical, really. [00:31] or 3? whatever [00:32] YankDownUnder, not really logical to release a product that freezes for two months. [00:33] why not? [00:33] why not what? [00:33] * why not logical? [00:34] luis30, From a business perspective, I would *not* have used 17.04 - nor 16.10 - for anything other than a "toy" to play with. I'd have (as I do) used an established release - like 16.04... [00:34] i was talking abou the freezing [00:34] you may know that but a lot of people dont know that.. [00:34] YankDownUnder, [00:35] YankDownUnder, they also promote it right there on the main download page...if its so insinificant put it somewhere else [00:35] what ? [00:35] 17.04 zesty [00:35] it's a really simple model, LTS = long term support - use this for stability/business critical [00:36] ikonia, well take it off the main page... [00:36] non LTS, like 17.04 are there to bridge the development gaps to the next LTS [00:36] why ? [00:36] luis30: I have been using 17.0 since development started, and I have no freezes [00:37] well read the bug reports hggdh [00:37] s/17.0/&4/ [00:37] luis30: why ? [00:37] some people are not reading it close and assuming coming from 16.10 that 17.04 is a lts..look https://askubuntu.com/questions/916156/cant-install-ubuntu-17-04-lts lol [00:37] so ? [00:38] https://www.devmanuals.net/install/ubuntu/ubuntu-17-04-lts-Zesty-Zapus/installing-libfmt3-dev-on-ubuntu17.04.html [00:38] you can't account for people not understanding their products [00:38] rofl [00:38] so I'm not sure why you are laughing [00:38] you didn't kow it wasn't LTS [00:38] I'm not sure what's funny here ? [00:38] I'm not sure what you want from the channel either ? [00:39] I believe I need more coffee...and to change my undies now... [00:39] well you could fix the freezing in 17.04 :P [00:39] Loshki: I just don't have a USB drive or a DVD player on this PC.... [00:39] Every time I restart (16.04), my system "forgets" which monitor is primary and where they are positioned. Using nVidia 375.66 drivers, and save the config to /etc/X11/xorg.conf. How can I make it remember my settings permanently? [00:39] luis30: "fix the freezing" [00:39] in fairness the fix is supposed to be out monday..if you guys read the bug reports you would know... [00:40] luis30: you understand that for the majority there is no problem, so problems for the minority, will be specific use cases that need to be investigated and understood [00:40] both urls are no bugreports [00:40] luis30: why do we need to read the bug report ? [00:40] you'd only read the bug report if you had an actual problem that you needed to reference [00:40] Is /etc/X11/xorg.conf the correct path? (nvidia puts this in automatically) [00:40] solarbee: thats right [00:40] ikonia, one bug report had 200 comments and like 20 duplicates and that is not the only duplicates it had..even the devs said it was effecting a lot of people read the bug reports [00:40] luis30: I don't need to read the bug report [00:41] sadly you feel that wa [00:41] luis30: please stop telling people to read random bug reports [00:41] way [00:41] random rofl [00:41] please stop with this laughing nonsense [00:41] there is a big kernel fix coming out monday for it and you have no clue [00:41] you're in a technical support/discussion channel for ubuntu please try to focus on that [00:41] luis30: why would I have a clue about a bug that doesn't impact me [00:41] luis30: if it is a kernel issue, why don't you bring it up on #ubuntu-kernel? [00:41] I'm not going to sit reading bug reports randomly [00:42] fud [00:42] impact you...wow there you go with the great tech support help attitude [00:42] luis30: is there an official ubuntu bug report you'd like us to have a look at for you ? [00:42] unity control center display settings pull up the correct config too, just can't figure out why it's wrong on boot every time [00:42] ikonia, its a major kernel update that required a lot of changes to fix that is why it was not rushed out...but if you had read you would know that too [00:43] luis30: bug # please [00:43] hang one [00:43] hang on [00:43] luis30: again, I'm not going to read random bug reports unless I have a reason to, so please post an official ubuntu bug report if you'd like us to comment / input to your problem [00:43] Muimi: I don't think you need one. virtualbox is a free download off the network I believe, and then you also need to download an iso of ubuntu. You then configure virtualbox to read this iso directly. You don't need a USB drive or a DVD player for any of this, just a network connection. For more detailed advice on that portion, you should probably ask ##windows [00:43] hang on.. [00:43] i had already posted it in here like a week ago ..i need to look again [00:43] hold on [00:44] no rush [00:44] it seems odd though that you are telling us / expecting us to read a bug report, you don't actually appear to have though, not sure how you expect us to read a bug report you haven't posted to us [00:45] happy to look at it if you post it an have some expectation that the channel members can do something with it for you [00:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1674838 ....228 comments and look at list of duplicates [00:46] Launchpad bug 1674838 in linux-hwe-edge (Ubuntu) "kernel BUG at /build/linux-7LGLH_/linux-4.10.0/include/linux/swapops.h:129" [Undecided,In progress] [00:47] ~/.config/monitors.xml is correct as well, and if I restart x there's no problem, only on boot >< [00:48] look at comment #209 by seth [00:49] so thats intersting, I guess a simple question is do you still get the problem if you disable huge pages ? [00:49] if it's a problem with huge pages it's going to be system specifc / config / workload specific [00:49] or it would impact everyone [00:50] you talking to me? [00:50] you're the one having the problem with this aren't you / [00:50] ? [00:50] well your talking about huge pages... [00:50] that is not enough people for you? [00:50] did you read seths comment? [00:50] luis30: the bug is fix released... [00:51] monday like i said before [00:51] it's already in proposed [00:51] I'm taking about huge pages as reading the docs that appears to tbe what is causing the problem [00:51] at least you guys read one bug report and now if somone comes in ...you will at least know how to guide them on that one.. [00:51] how do you install java? [00:51] the easiest way [00:51] luis30: guide them ? [00:52] ikonia, well you could tell them a fix is coming out [00:52] no, because "a freeze" for someone is not the same problem as this [00:52] (or it could be) [00:52] sudo apt-get install default-jre [00:52] ikonia, this is a freeze rofl [00:52] you'd have to understand the problem as I said, as problems for the minority are different than problems for the majority [00:52] luis30: yes, and there are many reasons a system can freeze [00:52] you don't point every freeze at that page [00:53] thank you [00:53] luis30: there are freezes and freezes. Not all freezes are due to the same defect [00:53] luis30: are you still having this problem (or are you now using the poprose update) [00:53] proposed update [00:53] is flash better to be in chrome or as a system plugin? [00:53] ikonia, yes but you could at least have the knowledge that a fix is coming out for a particular type of bug that freezing because if someone would have come in with THIS bug you would not have been able to help them with a workaround [00:54] luis30: how do we know what this bug is [00:54] ikonia, i was waiting on the release...to install [00:54] by reading ikonia [00:54] luis30: there is no trigger for this bug, I've read it [00:54] luis30: how often do you personally get this bug [00:55] ikonia, well you could tell someone to install the fix and see if it corrects like the devs are recommending [00:55] (can you reproduce it easy/well ?) [00:55] luis30: I'm not going to tell random people with problems to install random non-production packages [00:55] ikonia, sometimes once or twice a week sometimes two days in a row [00:55] luis30: thats dissapointing, so it's not consistent [00:55] About installing Linux: can I install it via my network? [00:55] luis30: how often do you reboot your box [00:55] Muimi: ubuntu or linux [00:56] ubantu [00:56] ikonia, every time it freezes its a hard freeze [00:56] Muimi: there is a network install option for it [00:56] prove it [00:56] luis30: would you be interested in trying to run your machine with huge pages disabled, [00:56] just kidding [00:56] Muimi: I don't have to probe it [00:56] prove it [00:56] ikonia, its been doing it since the ubuntu 17.04 upgrade [00:56] but does that mean if I mount it on another PC, I can install by being on the network somehow? [00:56] luis30: see if the problem persists for you [00:56] Muimi: no, it's not that simple [00:56] Muimi: it's a specific network install process [00:56] well, i'm a simple man really [00:57] not just mount it on another machine [00:57] ikonia, well from the comments i read the fix that is coming out is fixing the problem [00:57] Loshki: thanks ill have a look at the logs [00:57] it sounds like the kernel update will fix it, but I'm interest if actually disabling huge pages in the problem package makes it run ok [00:58] i probably wont install any more non lts ubuntu releases...i guess i learned this lesson the hard way : [00:58] :) [00:59] thats up to you [00:59] but for the record 16.10 was fine.. [00:59] for me at least [01:00] hello [01:00] what implementation / project is provided by the postgresql-client package [01:02] ehh, postgresql-common provides postgresql-client [01:09] I need a little help with JACK audio setup. Message: "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory", "Cannot connect to server request channel" [01:11] can i get a link to the ubuntu phone [01:11] anybody try it [01:11] was it ever released? [01:12] it's dead [01:12] didn't happen [01:15] just like unity [01:15] oh wait... [01:16] s/didn't/shouldn't/ [01:18] ...what? my boyfriend is... DEAD? [01:18] but he used to play the bongos... [01:18] ...on my ass [01:27] what's the tool for burning the iso to usb? [01:28] Muimi: ' dd' ? [01:32] Muimi, startup disk creator? [01:37] hello, I've issue in the bios the computer keep beeping. the issue that the sound comes from the pc speaker and headphone not a speaker on the motherboard [01:37] the help file says "put it on a usb drive' [01:37] how can I disable it? [01:37] dosn't say anything bout special software [01:37] or even that ubuntu need sto be the only thing on the driv [01:38] !usb [01:38] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [01:39] tons of howto's to find [01:41] uh yeah but you should use official stuff [01:41] so, that's the tutorial i'm looking at. Says nothing about making the usb https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating_a_bootable_Ubuntu_USB_flash_drive_from_Ubuntu this is what i was looking for [01:42] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating_a_bootable_Ubuntu_USB_flash_drive_from_Windows [01:43] az: I've seen this speaker beeping issue before... I think it has something to do with electrical interferance. Try moving speakers or other periferals around to see if the noise changes or stops. [01:45] supakalafrag, there was technician who supposedly fixed the computer. this started to happen. the issue that on Windows it goes after booting into it. on Ubuntu it keeps coming from everywhere. so I thought there should be a way to disable it [01:47] It told me I need to download syslinux ldlinux.sys [01:47] ldlinix.bss [01:49] az: What was the technician fixing? If you can narrow down what hardware or software has been tinkered with, it could reveal what is causing the beeping issue. [01:53] supakalafrag, it was hardware issue then he said he removed the bios battery because of some issue [01:58] az: So do you have a dual boot Linux/Windows machine? And the beeping issue is present in Linux, but not in Windows? [01:59] yes supakalafrag , it starts from booting and keep beeping in Ubuntu from sound output including headphone [02:09] az: In Ubuntu Settings -> Sound... check if adjusting "choose a device for sound output" and "profile" options makes any change to the speaker issue. [02:14] supakalafrag, I tried to miss with them but no change [02:17] az: Are your headphones plugged into your speaker setup or seperately into your PC? [02:18] it's a laptop with headphone plug supakalafrag [02:30] az: Sounds very puzzling to me. I suspect that your friendly local technician may have touched more than just the motherboard battery. What's even more puzzling is that Windows is usually the OS with parental issues. [02:32] I'm puzzled too. he "fixed" the system that was not booting and delivered other issues like this [02:32] there was an issue with the battery and booting [02:36] how do i fix sound repeating itself over and over again even with sound turned down [02:38] It definately sounds like a physical hardware problem. At the very least while you have the chance, use the beeping Linux OS to backup important documents/files etc to a usb drive. [02:39] If the sound is being generated by the system board, you cannot turn it down. Obviously, there is an issue with the system. === Piece_Maker is now known as Acou_Bass [02:40] YankDownUnder, another issue with 17.04 i did not have with 16.10 or 16.04 [02:40] YankDownUnder, any suggested fixes? [02:45] YankDownUnder: Suggested fix number 1: Try to describe the nature of your issue. [02:45] saying there is a issue with the system is not a suggested fix [02:46] supakalafrag, I've a backup. I'm using this system right now. just looking for something to help disable that beeping maybe by check which thing is using the sound card [02:46] sound repeating over and over again...even when the gui sound is turned down.. [02:46] i think i already stated that [02:48] do i need to reboot? i rebooted last night because of 17.04 freeze [02:50] luis30, tried to lower your mic's input volume levels? [02:50] luis30: it's coming from your pc and not your speakers? [02:51] well.. ok [02:55] wow thanks ubuntu 17.04 for another freeze in less than 24 hours..it froze ike 2 mins after the sound loop i guess they were related.. [02:56] monday not here already? rofl [02:57] If the machine is consistently "beeping" - merely from a hardware perspective, there is an issue with CMOS/BIOS, or a connection to the motherboard/system board. That's the start. How to start testing? Blow out the CMOS/BIOS. Next step, checking the actual motherboard/system board. [02:58] i think this is that other bug related otherwise why would it have occured so close in time.. [02:58] its not a beep its a sound loop [02:59] and this loop is kind of rare maybe like twice it happened..the freezing has been consistent but the fix is out for that [03:01] az: Alas, the world is a finite place. Some times we have to cut our losses and move on with what data can be retained. [03:05] I've got connection sharing running from my machine with wireless connectivity, but how do I get it to assign a network address that's not on a different subnet? [03:06] it wants to use 10.42.0.x and my network is 192.168.0.x [03:06] Fun times, running Ubuntu 17.04, I have sound, but apparently pulseaudio failed to start up, so I'm playing everything through alsa. Of course, all my mixers assume pulse... I'd like to get pulse back. I currently get this error when trying to start it: E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed. - I thought maybe it just hadn't been upgraded, but -- pulseaudio is already the newest version (1:10.0-1ubuntu2). I don't know too much [03:06] about sound libraries, but I like the control pulse gives me for when doing screen casts and what not. I'd rather not learn a new audio library, but I have no idea what to look at next. [03:07] you too mladoux ubuntu 17.04 should come with a warning label [03:08] Well, at least I still have sound, luis30, so it's not a total nightmare. [03:08] thats good [03:09] yeah, my browser and movie players hooked into the currently running sound library no problem, but my streaming tools aren't happy because they rely on pulse to do audio stream mixing. [03:10] i c [03:10] I'm sure it can be done with alsa, but I have no clue how, and my volume indicator in gnome thinks I have no sound devices. [03:10] mladoux, i'm guessing you've already tried the deleting the config folder and restarting the daemon fix [03:10] mladoux, ive had that happen in 17.04 as well where the gnome was not showing any audio devices [03:10] nope, I didn't want to break anything. [03:10] kostkon, I'll try that now [03:11] mladoux, it's in ~/.config [03:11] I meant it when I said I know nothing about the audio libs [03:11] thx [03:11] kostkon, I kept finding docs from 2010 that only addressed no sound situations, so I didn't want to assume they applied without consulting someone [03:12] !sound mladoux, this? [03:12] kostkon: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:12] hmm [03:12] !sound [03:12] If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [03:12] forgot the | [03:12] Kostkon, yay, deleting the `/.config/pulse folder seems to have fixed it [03:12] mladoux, been there done that [03:13] mladoux, classic pulse [03:13] kostkon, yeah, I know that it's highly unlikely that I'd be the first person to have the issue, and it would be very likely someone here would have found and fixed it before [03:13] yay, indicators working again after restarting gnome shell ( I love how I can do that without logging out ) [03:14] and now my sound scripts work again too, I'm a happy camper. I wish I could give you a beer [03:14] you saved my day :P [03:14] mladoux, yeah. it's an old issue, the only thing that has changed over the years is the location of the pulse config folder from ~/ to ~/.config [03:14] yup [03:15] of course, my keyboard media buttons don't work now, but I think they'll be fixed after a reboot, but I don't wish to reboot this second, so I'll deal with that later. [03:15] mladoux, well one at a time no biggie [03:16] I'm kind of working on a project right now, and am not at a good stopping point. [03:18] mladoux, better safe than sorry yeah [03:19] mladoux, and no reason to interrupt your train of though just for a bunch of silly keys your media apps probably have their own key combos anyway [03:21] Anyone know thing about JACK audio setup. I am having some "issues"... [03:22] !details [03:22] Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel. [03:22] still works [03:22] I need to give a computer hooked to a shared network connection jack, an IP that is the same as my internal network and not a 10.42.0.x address. [03:23] anyone able to help with this? [03:23] repeat: I need a little help with JACK audio setup. Message: "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory", "Cannot connect to server request channel" [03:24] supakalafrag, is this in Ubuntu studio? [03:26] Na, Ubuntu 16.04 with Gnome. [03:44] How can I share my folder on the network so another computer can see it? I've enabled sharing in the Properties tab, but I'm having difficulty logging in to it from the other computer. Ubuntu Help mentions nothing about this at all and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaClientGuide is not helpful. [03:48] supakalafrag: #ubuntu-studio may still be a good resource. [03:54] I tried #ubuntustudio, but they all seem to have gone to sleep. [03:55] supakalafrag: When do you receive that error message? [03:56] When starting JACK [03:57] ... in the message window. [04:02] hey all, how well doen GNOME 3 scale vs Unity? [04:03] does* [04:03] Unity is doing a good job at scaling my tablet PC resolution. [04:03] wondering if I'll lose that with GNOME 3? [04:07] threee: Depends... user interface is a delicate and much debated topic. I prefer Gnome, but that doesn't mean I'm right. What's good for right handed people is not neccesarily right for left handed people. [04:25] hi [05:10] So, I'm at a crossroads here, I'm not sure which variant of Ubuntu to use. I have been using Lubuntu, but when I just updated to 17.04, everything went to heck with systemd messing with dnsmasq, LXDE is now officially LXQT but Lubuntu still hasn't moved over, and I really don't want my GUI tied to my core distro. Should I get Ubuntu server and just install LXQT? Should I get vanilla Ubuntu and install LXQT? [05:11] Dresk|Dev: install ubuntu server and then lxqt [05:12] EriC^^: Is Ubuntu Server updated as frequently as normal Ubuntu? [05:12] Dresk|Dev: it's the same thing, it's ubuntu without an installed de [05:14] Eric^^, what's de? [05:14] desktop environment [05:14] Hi, I am installing a ubuntu derivative (this is more a question of gparted and the linux file structure in general), I am installing a ubuntu derivative on a lenovo y700 on a UEFI system with GPD where 2 other windows partitions exist, my question is, do I have make a separate /boot partition and should it be EXT4 or "EFI System Partition" [05:14] GWM: no need for a separate /boot and ubuntu will use the efi partition you already have [05:15] EriC^^: So is the setup for Ubuntu Server graphical in anyway or do I need to know my partitioning commands from CLI? [05:15] I unallocated 50Gb in the windows disk manager and I would, (this is the first time I install a desktop linux since 2010, I only use it on servers otherwise( [05:15] Dresk|Dev: i think it's more walk-through kind of setup, i've never installed it myself tbh [05:15] i dont think you need to know any cli commands to install it though [05:16] Anyway, am I good to go if I just make a swap equal to my RAM and the rest is allocated to / as EXT4? [05:16] Where will the bootloader go if I do so_ [05:16] GWM: yup [05:16] GWM: it'll install to /boot/efi (on the same ext4) and partly in your efi partition [05:16] I cannot use the guided gparted part, it wants to use the entire disk which is unacceptable in my situation, seeing as this is a dual boot env [05:16] *sorry /boot/grub [05:16] Hello everybody, I am unable to mount my pendrive it gives error "can't read superblock" [05:17] tarball: how are you trying to mount it? [05:17] and /boot/ will be on /? [05:17] GWM: yup [05:17] Dresk|Dev, dont use 17.04 [05:17] automatic ubuntu mount system form nautalius [05:17] luis30: Explain? [05:17] tarball: is it an ext* filesystem? [05:17] I have enough PTSD from gparted on Linux DE since 2010, when UEFI and GPT was new and not very well supported, it was in fact, the reason I had to give it up, software asides [05:18] tarball: has anything happened to the drive etc? [05:18] These days however, I am no longer a big gamer and can dual boot when that is really needed [05:18] EriC^^, bug after bug after bug [05:18] So I can choose freedom now [05:18] luis30: i think that was for Dresk|Dev ^ [05:18] GWM: :D [05:18] oops [05:18] your right [05:18] kek [05:18] I should still use a swap file equal to my amount of DRAM right? [05:18] sorry [05:18] EriC^^: It's fat32, no physical damage [05:19] I have 8Gb so I should use 8192 or whatever it is, as a swap [05:19] GWM: on 16.04 yeah if you want hibernation, [05:19] Dresk|Dev, use 16.04 if you can [05:19] 16.04 is fine [05:19] GWM: if you dont want hibernation it's not really necessary [05:19] luis30: I've had nothing but absolute hell with 17.04, the switch to systemd has royally messed up my software router, and yes, bugs ALL over, but I don't want to migrate from upstart again, I'd rather embrace what's going to happen [05:19] This is a ubuntu derivative of 16.04 LTS (KDE Neon) [05:19] Dresk|Dev, join the club...i said earlier in here 17.04 should come with a warning label [05:19] GWM: unless you can afford the hdd space then why not [05:20] I have a NVMe disk, I dont know what hibernation is [05:20] Windows 10 boots in literally 3 seconds from button on [05:20] I dont expect Linux to do worse [05:20] (SystemD may or may not hinder me here) [05:20] Dresk|Dev, i dont plan on back to 16.04 earlier but this maybe the last non lts release i use for ubuntu [05:20] GWM: well windows uses a cheat, it actually hibernates when you shutdown, when you restart it it really shuts down and restarts [05:20] earlier = either [05:20] luis30: But ultimately we have to migrate to systemd, why hold off? [05:21] EriC^^: i just want to format this usb so it can work correctly but that gives read only error, gparted is also not working [05:21] No this is cold boot [05:21] I have disabled windows fast boot [05:21] Hisssss! [05:21] GWM: oh :D [05:21] tarball: ok type "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" paste the link it here [05:22] To make W10 useable one must use classic shell, and it configuring it is to make sure you use proper shutdown and not "shutdown" [05:22] Dresk|Dev: 16.04 is also systemd [05:22] EriC^^: http://termbin.com/9uyw [05:22] I recommend NVMe SSDs all around [05:22] it's not so bad, you're right Dresk|Dev [05:23] well for me , a desktop user anyways :D [05:23] tarball: it's the 8gb disk? [05:23] Committing 44236Mb to EXT / and 8192Mb to swap, wish me good luck [05:23] EriC^^: yes the sdc one [05:23] If gparted or uefi shits itself at this point, I will be very sad [05:24] Dresk|Dev, that or Debian is another reasonably choice, the testing stuff is more on par with Ubuntu package release cycles. [05:24] EriC^^: Again, my philosophy is I'm about to start with a fresh install, why not use the latest version, even if it's buggy, but because I'm going to be forced to use systemd-resolved, etc. if I ever upgrade (and I need to stay kernel current due to my GPU) [05:24] (consider my a random third party troll, but I love systemD, sysvinit in all its glory but it's not as in depth) [05:25] tarball: ok, type "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=10000 && sync" [05:25] (for being a random third party troll I sure know at least parts of Linux, but my systemd experience is 100% server based and never DE) [05:26] tarball: To be clear, that will wipe all data from the drive sdc . [05:26] that's okay. Jordan_U [05:26] "Boot loader Device for boot loader installation /dev/nvme0n1p7" /nvme0n1p7 is the partition that I put as EXT4 and / [05:27] That should work right? [05:27] GWM: choose the whole disk as the bootloader location [05:27] I want to be extra specific because it is a pain to setup W10 again [05:27] takes 4h to destroy all telemetry, all policies etc [05:27] GWM: and choose the efi partition and select it as use as efi partition [05:27] Back up there [05:27] Tehre was no talk about efi partitions earlier [05:27] only swap and / [05:27] EriC^^: any next step? because it's still not mounting? [05:27] tarball: after the command returns, type sudo fdisk /dev/sdc [05:27] GWM: No. For UEFI it doesn't matter, for BIOS it should be /dev/mvme0n1 (The full disk, not a partition). [05:28] To clarify, I am on UEFI and GPT [05:28] EriC^^: Is there a "headless" Ubuntu, as opposed to Ubuntu server, since Ubuntu server comes with a LOT of stuff I don't want, like OpenStack [05:28] tarball: once it loads type "o" press enter [05:28] !minimal | Dresk|Dev [05:28] Dresk|Dev: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [05:28] Should I specify where to put the bootloader on a specific partition or not [05:28] My logical mind tells me to put it on / since I am not using a separate partition for /boot [05:29] Jordan_U: But what GUI does minimal want to use for Network Manager? I assume gnome3? [05:29] and if I put it on / I should put it on /dev/nvme0n7 which is specified as / and EXT4 [05:29] tarball: then press "n" and create a primary partition using the whole space (just keep hitting enter for defaults) [05:30] GWM: yes for the bootloader location choose the whole disk without any partition, the ubuntu installer knows what to do with it [05:30] nvme0n1p6 is swap, nvme0n1p1 is a ntfs partitions with windows recovery, nvme0n1p2 is a efi aprtition, nvme0n1p3 is unknown and 16Mb, 4 and 5 are the windows gpt partitions [05:31] GWM: you need to click on the efi partition and choose use as efi partition or the installer won't continue [05:31] There is no efi partition, asides what windows made (size 103mb, 33mb used) [05:32] ,/dev/nvme0n1p2 type: efi, size 103Mb, used 33Mb [05:32] Windows made that one though [05:33] Should I just tell the installer "Device for boot loader installation" and point it to the EFI partition windows made? /dev/nvme0n1p2? [05:34] nvme0n1p2 is detected as type EFI and size 103Mb [05:34] GWM: no, just /dev/nvme0n1 [05:34] Alright [05:35] The beauty if GRUB fails to install is that I'll be here on a live usb to be in horror about it [05:35] someone also told me to get reload boot loader for uefi [05:35] or something like that [05:35] Post install issues anyway [05:35] refind maybe? [05:35] that was the one [05:36] But tha comes after making the nvidia blob work [05:36] (yes I accept non free software in my heart, please dont cast me out as a heretic) [05:36] Not my first choice, but you know, best tool available yadayada [05:38] Gparted has committed the partitions [05:38] Installer is running [05:39] Please don't destroy my boot loader, please :( [05:39]