[04:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:29] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[04:30] <Bashing-om> Hiya lotuspsychje ! Got your hip wadders on ? It may get deep in main :)
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[04:33] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Good day in the neighborhood :D
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> 2 days of work left
[04:41] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Then it is lotuscomputers full time ?
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: nono, my boss has avoided confrontation
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: so for now..the sea has calmed down
[04:42] <EriC^^> ?
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah i was angry at my boss the other day
[04:42] <EriC^^> why?
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: he told me to go wipe the floor in de middle shift
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: and its always opening shift guy, that has to do it
[04:43] <EriC^^> oh
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so i ran off, without looking back that day
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> did my hours and didnt wipe the floor lol
[04:44] <EriC^^> :D
[04:44] <EriC^^> so in 2 more days no more work?
[04:44] <EriC^^> for good?
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: no i mean 2 days in a row left to work
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> ill continue as long as i can EriC^^
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> cause full time business costs too much for now
[04:45] <EriC^^> oh ok
[04:45] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: lotuspsychje That ^ was wishful think'n :)
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but lotuscomputers starts to run good
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> 4th invoice
[04:46] <EriC^^> nice
[04:47] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: We look forward to the day ya get an apprentice :)
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: whats apprentice mean
[04:49] <Bashing-om> One that is learning .. he does the grunt work for ya; taking the load off you .
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> right
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> well 2 new ppl have applyed for the kitchen job
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> lets see what that gives..
[04:50] <Bashing-om> :P
[04:53] <EriC^^> :D
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> 4 jobs @ canonical
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> https://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> seems like they have trimmed a lot
[04:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Since convergence is no longer the goal, I guess one can expect "cuts" .
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[05:19] <Bashing-om> This is  my backside  headed to bed :)
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> laterz guys, work
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> have a nice sunday
[06:43] <ducasse> hi all
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:54] <daftykins> heya \o
[13:54] <daftykins> all well, BluesKaj?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> hi daftykins, yeah except for my debian install which just kernel panicked
[13:56] <daftykins> d'aww!
[13:56] <daftykins> i wonder what that's about
[13:56] <BluesKaj> no major updates or upgrades
[13:59] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj, daftykins good to see ya, sorry to hit and run but i have to mow again before it gets way too hot.  bbl...
[14:00] <BluesKaj> dunno , may have to reinstall to / ... never had a kernel panick before and didn't pay much attention the workarounds or solutions when it happened to others
[14:00] <daftykins> pauljw: enjoy!
[14:01] <BluesKaj> panic even
[14:02] <BluesKaj> assume it could be any number of things going wrong
[14:02] <EriC^^> hey daftykins BluesKaj
[14:02] <daftykins> \o
[14:02] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[14:02] <daftykins> BluesKaj: nothing in kernel logs? i'd probably be memtesting too o0
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hey EriC^^
[14:02] <daftykins> not bad here cheers, down at my house atm where the tiler is grouting the bathroom :)
[14:03] <EriC^^> cool
[14:03] <BluesKaj> daftykins,  it's on the same ssd as my kubuntu installation/dual boot
[14:03] <EriC^^> you're staying at home for good now?
[14:04] <daftykins> EriC^^: nah i'm in a holiday cottage up at the hotel until the 16th
[14:04] <BluesKaj> daftykins,  remos still ongoing , nice :-)
[14:04] <daftykins> there's nowhere to sleep, here :) every room is full of crap
[14:04] <BluesKaj> renos even :-)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> oh lord
[14:04] <daftykins> hehe well i'd love to be finished but we uncovered too many surprises
[14:04] <daftykins> and i'm spending too much :(
[14:05] <BluesKaj> moneypit ?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> property brothers !
[14:09] <BluesKaj> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_Brothers   ...these guys are supposedly the answer to moneypit nightmares
[14:10] <BluesKaj> if you have "the coin"
[14:12] <daftykins> hehe
[14:28] <BluesKaj> raining here, a good day to relax and muck about with the pc :-)
[14:29] <daftykins> ooh yes, that they are
[14:30] <BluesKaj> got all my yard work done the last few days so i deserve it
[14:33] <BluesKaj> wife agrees, but wait til the weather clears, then she'll conjure up some tasks ...guaranteed :-)
[14:34] <daftykins> XD such is the way with 'the management'
[14:35] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:55] <Cat_tech3> hi guys
[14:59] <daftykins> lo
[15:00] <Cat_tech3> i have difficulty trying to determine where i should ask this
[15:00] <Cat_tech3> but i am trying to build a new system with an amd ryzen 7 cpu and would like to have ubuntu on it
[15:00] <Cat_tech3> it has a 1050 ti gpu
[15:01] <daftykins> so, what's the problem? things haven't *really* been smoothed out for Linux on most motherboards yet
[15:02] <Cat_tech3> i have both seen amd ryzen 7 linux systems
[15:02] <Cat_tech3> and 1050 ti i assume has better driver support
[15:02] <Cat_tech3> for linux
[15:04] <daftykins> than what o0
[15:04] <daftykins> i'd definitely always go nvidia
[15:05] <Cat_tech3> would this support ubuntu you think?
[15:06] <Cat_tech3> the cpu+gpu combi
[15:09] <daftykins> like i said Ryzen isn't ace on Linux yet, bit early
[15:10] <Cat_tech3> :(
[15:11] <oerheks> ryzen works from kernel 4.10 and up, and that budget 1050 should work fine too
[15:11] <BluesKaj> I have seen some users who had success wih ubuntu on the ryzen cpu..forgot which graphics they came with... presumably amd gpus
[15:12] <daftykins> there are still some motherboards that go wildly bad on it, heard of MSI and gigabyte ones being odd
[15:12] <BluesKaj> MSI is junk IME , on any OS
[15:13] <daftykins> yipyip
[15:13] <Cat_tech3> GIGABYTE Aorus GA­AX370­Gaming 5 (rev. 1.0),
[15:13] <Cat_tech3> this is the mobo i wanted to go with it
[15:13] <Cat_tech3> but i see your note on being troublesome
[15:13] <BluesKaj> in Canada they're distributed by what seems like the russian mafia
[15:14] <daftykins> BluesKaj: XD
[15:14] <Cat_tech3> found this reddit : https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6247wx/ubuntu_has_issues_installing_to_gigabyte_ryzen/
[15:17] <daftykins> picture might be a bit brighter come October when 17.10 will be out, assuming you'd risk non-LTS at all
[15:19] <Cat_tech3> is debian any better>\
[15:19] <Cat_tech3> ?
[15:19] <daftykins> no it's all about the Linux kernel
[15:19] <daftykins> it's a platform issue :)
[15:20] <oerheks> so none of us here have ryzen?
[15:22] <daftykins> nah
[15:25] <Cat_tech3> we need a tester
[15:25] <daftykins> hmm? i already said i've seen folks with issues
[15:25] <Cat_tech3> someone just noted that switching to slower ram fixed the issue
[15:25] <daftykins> AMD only just pushed out a huge important BIOS update for manufacturer's to integrate into their motherboards
[15:25] <Cat_tech3> ryzen 7 has a ram speed maximum
[15:25] <daftykins> everything has a maximum :P it got tweaked with the update i mention
[15:26] <Cat_tech3> yes but there was an article about a mobo update from AMD
[15:26] <Cat_tech3> that raised the maximum ram speed compatibility for the cpu
[15:26] <Cat_tech3> was at 3200 max normally
[15:27] <Cat_tech3> and i just read about the ryzen 7 x370 mobo + linux issue being solved by someone using slower ram (2400)
[15:27] <daftykins> that's what i just said XD
[15:28] <daftykins> and that makes no sense, slowing RAM for an OS
[15:28] <daftykins> anyway, i've always been against Gigabyte :)
[15:28] <Cat_tech3> who knows why it works for him, i can think of one possibility
[15:29] <Cat_tech3> he tested it with 17.04 btw
[15:32] <Cat_tech3> it has the linux 4.10 kernel
[15:33] <Cat_tech3> https://superuser.com/questions/1189362/ryzen-7-unable-to-install-ubuntu-or-debian
[15:33] <daftykins> like i said, October'd be a better goal
[15:33] <Cat_tech3> the guys who claims that he fixed the issue
[15:33] <Cat_tech3> i know, but i am willing to help people that are stuck already
[15:34] <daftykins> i've not heard any issues with install, just panics and instability
[15:34] <Cat_tech3> i have read multiple people with installation issues
[15:35] <daftykins> right, but dated when... :)
[15:35] <Cat_tech3> so a shout out to anybody in this room with a ryzen 7 or who knows somebody who does, please bring him/her in
[15:36] <Cat_tech3> or relay to test it with the 4.10 kernel and slower ram 2400   , to see if it fixes something
[15:45] <immu> BluesKaj, hi
[15:47] <Cat_tech3> does anyone know a different channel, where we might have luck finding someone
[16:07] <immu> for what?
[16:08] <baizon> Cat_tech3: i got a ryzen 5 and kernel 4.11
[16:08] <Cat_tech3> baizon: how are things running
[16:09] <Cat_tech3> immu: talking about ryzen 7 cpu's and linux issues
[16:09] <baizon> Cat_tech3: everything is perfect
[16:09] <baizon> damn fast :)
[16:09] <Cat_tech3> baizon: can you give us your full system specs
[16:10] <baizon> Cat_tech3: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X | Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 | Crucial Ballistix Sport LT8GB, DDR4-2400, CL16-16-16 | Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB | ASUS DUAL-RX-480-O4G
[16:11] <Cat_tech3> version of ubuntu?
[16:11] <baizon> Cat_tech3: no ubuntu
[16:11] <baizon> thats why i have 4.11 kernel
[16:11] <Cat_tech3> which distro
[16:11] <baizon> and thats why i dont use ubuntu, because i have such new hardware
[16:11] <baizon> Cat_tech3: Manjaro KDE
[16:11] <baizon> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ManjaroLinux "Gellivara" 17.0.1 • CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X Six-Core Processor (2,20GHz) • Memory: 7,6 GiB Total (5,9 GiB Free) • Storage: 1,4 TB / 2,1 TB (716,6 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Spectra8 CardB Input2 • Uptime: 38m 29s
[16:12] <Cat_tech3> did you compile the kernel yourself?
[16:12] <baizon> Cat_tech3: nope
[16:13] <Cat_tech3> very handy information baizon
[16:13] <Cat_tech3> i am thrilled to know the same distro, how it will perform on a ryzen 7 cpu
[16:13] <Cat_tech3> and funny you use 2400 ram :D
[16:14] <Cat_tech3> which fixed it for that guy with his ryzen 7 issues
[16:14] <Cat_tech3> might be a fix for the whole ryzen platform on linux
[16:14] <Cat_tech3> 4.10+ kernel and 2400 mhz ram
[16:15] <baizon> well i did check the compatibility list, and also had to upgrade my bios first
[16:16] <baizon> with no upgrade i had very strange numbers with my cpu
[16:16] <Cat_tech3> to the latest version?
[16:19] <Cat_tech3> which bios version did you flash it to
[16:25] <baizon> Cat_tech3: from F1 to F4
[16:27] <Cat_tech3> are there any specific things you changed in the bios?
[16:32] <baizon> Cat_tech3: nope
[16:32] <Cat_tech3> thank you very much for this info
[16:37] <Cat_tech3> now we need someone with a ryzen 7 to test it :D
[17:10] <Cat_tech3> baizon, when you said it gave you freaky numbers
[17:10] <Cat_tech3> what kind
[17:10] <baizon> temp
[17:10] <baizon> for exmaple
[17:10] <baizon> it was at 70°C, but after the bios upgrade it was as smooth 32°C
[17:11] <Cat_tech3> yes there was an issue with +20 difference sensor reporting
[17:11] <Cat_tech3> have you checked dmesg output for any errors?
[17:11] <Cat_tech3> after the fix
[17:13] <baizon> Cat_tech3: only this AMD-Vi: Event logged [IO_PAGE_FAULT device=09:00.0 domain=0x0003 address=0x000000f40040d600 flags=0x0010]
[17:14] <Cat_tech3> baizon: https://askubuntu.com/questions/805008/errors-showing-while-booting-16-04-amd-vi-event-logged-io-page-fault
[17:15] <baizon> thanks :)
[17:29] <Cat_tech3> baizon, care to join me on this journey to help get this big issue fixed sooner?
[17:29] <Cat_tech3> i would recon thens of thousands are affected by this issue
[17:52] <immu> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ryzen-Compiler-Issues
[17:52] <Cat_tech3> yes that's another issue
[17:52] <Cat_tech3> but a lot of people can't even boot  or run there system for a couple of hours
[17:55] <immu> did you try a upstream kernel
[18:00] <Cat_tech3> it's not me that is having the issue
[18:01] <Cat_tech3> i don't have a ryzen cpu
[18:01] <Cat_tech3> altho i am in the process of ordering a new machine with one
[18:01] <Cat_tech3> but this sortof stops me doing it
[18:59] <immu> BluesKaj, hi
[19:00] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[19:00] <immu> how are you doing BluesKaj
[19:00] <BluesKaj> ok here, and you?
[19:13] <immu> i am good too BluesKaj , so whats up
[19:22] <Cat_tech3> f it, i am going intel
[19:23] <daftykins> XD
[19:23] <Cat_tech3> 5820K 6 core 12 threads
[19:23] <Cat_tech3> should run linux good enough
[19:23] <daftykins> that's a very poor choice to make at this point
[19:24] <daftykins> gotta run, laters
[19:24] <BluesKaj> Cat_tech3, probly better off with i3,i5, or i7 cpu
[19:25] <Cat_tech3> the 5820K is i7
[19:25] <Cat_tech3> why is that a poor choice?
[19:26] <BluesKaj> dunno what daftykins meant by that comment
[19:28] <Cat_tech3> it's either that or the i7 6800K 6core 12 threads
[19:57] <Cat_tech3> yeah sticking with the 5820K, don't see any issues with that and running linux