[17:48] <marcoceppi> _thumper_ rick_h wallyworld are we expecting cross model relations in 2.2?
[17:51] <rick_h> marcoceppi: I think 2.3. The flag is still on right and we're up to rc1. balloons can you confirm? ^
[17:51] <marcoceppi> cool, and 2.3 is off in the Fall-ish?
[17:53] <rick_h> marcoceppi: yea, late summer I'd guess. The team's been doing 3-4mo in the 2.x so far
[17:54] <balloons> marcoceppi, I really really hope it doesn't take that long for 2.3. cmr for single controller for 2.2
[17:54] <rick_h> balloons: oh is the flag off? /me missed it go by
[17:54] <marcoceppi> just trying to build out some timelines for long running open source projects building on top of Juju
[17:55] <balloons> rick_h, yea it's still there. Most of the work is on the feature branch now which is looking towards 2.3
[18:02] <jam> balloons: shall we meet in appear.in/john-nicholas ?
[20:58] <thumper> morning
[21:14] <hml> thumper: morning or afternoonjjj
[21:18] <wallyworld> marcoceppi: cmr is usable in 2.2 with the feature flag (tested with all major clouds). still a lot of polish and refinement to add though. but 2.2 has acls and does work across regions; also uses proper firewall rules to limit ingress to just the required models etc
[21:19] <wallyworld> marcoceppi: it hasn't had a huge amount of testing, so would like to get lots of feedback from real world
[21:34] <wallyworld> rick_h: re bug 1596893.... i think we should also support show-action-status <name> without the --name flag? i would think we could filter on 'id starts with <arg> or name == <arg>'?
[21:34] <mup> Bug #1596893: show-action-status should accept the action name as a filter as wel <2.0> <usability> <juju:In Progress by ecjones> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1596893>
[21:35] <rick_h> wallyworld: that's what I was thinking, but I understand it's a bit of magic I guess. I was trying to think of where else we do uuid/string magic and I guess maybe in models/controllers
[21:36] <rick_h> wallyworld: is it going out in 2.2 behind a flag or is the flag going to be removed?
[21:36] <wallyworld> rick_h: is what?
[21:36] <rick_h> wallyworld: cmr
[21:36]  * rick_h reads backwards there
[21:36] <wallyworld> rick_h: in 2.2 it is behind a flag
[21:36] <rick_h> wallyworld: is there CMR docs for the flag stuff?
[21:37] <wallyworld> rick_h: there's not really docs yet; i can do some
[21:37] <rick_h> wallyworld: ok, I'm looking to put together a juju show wed around 2.2 features/etc. If you're interested I can see about putting together a post about CMR and help push it out there.
[21:37] <rick_h> wallyworld: maybe mention it during the show and then put out a blog post on testing it and how to provide feedback/testing results?
[21:37] <wallyworld> rick_h: yeah, i think so but am worried about not enough internal testing and that external folks might get something a bit raw
[21:38] <rick_h> wallyworld: I can keep it clear it's early.
[21:38] <rick_h> wallyworld: but understand.
[21:38] <wallyworld> rick_h: ok, sgtm
[21:39] <rick_h> wallyworld: shoot me the latest in spec/notes and I'll test it out tomorrow and see what I can get ready for wed show
[21:39]  * rick_h runs to violin
[21:39] <wallyworld> will do
[22:08] <thumper> babbageclunk: morning
[22:08] <thumper> babbageclunk: I'm likely to lose internet shortly as I'm moved from ADSL to fibre
[22:10] <balloons> wallyworld, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1696005
[22:10] <mup> Bug #1696005: sslOnNormalPorts is deprecated <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696005>
[22:10] <babbageclunk> thumper: morning too! Sorry, bit of a slow start today.
[22:10] <wallyworld> ta
[22:10] <thumper> babbageclunk: no worries, did you want to chat now?
[22:10] <babbageclunk> thumper: sure, why not
[22:10] <thumper> the chorus folk are here now drilling
[22:11] <babbageclunk> thumper: oh cool
[22:11] <babbageclunk> thumper: jumped into 1:1
[23:34] <thumper> hmm...
[23:34] <thumper> fibre is on
[23:39] <babbageclunk> thumper: you seem faster on irc