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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:21
willcookemorning all07:58
Laneywtf08:05
Laneyforgot to press enter08:05
Laneyhi!08:05
willcookeSeems Amazon have revoked rclones API keys, so my backups havent been working for a few weeks08:11
oSoMoNhey willcooke, Laney08:14
willcookemorning oSoMoN08:14
Laneyhey oSoMoN08:31
Laneyyou good?08:31
oSoMoNLaney, yup, had a very good week-end! you?08:38
LaneyoSoMoN: also good - went to visit the family & for a birthday meal08:42
Laneywas nice and sunny08:42
oSoMoNtwas mostly rainy here, but nice anyway08:42
Laneyah we've got that now http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng508:43
andyrockmorning all09:17
TrevinhoHi guys...09:23
TrevinhoI forgot to open IRC all day... But hackfest is going nicely.09:23
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Laneyhey Trevinho10:06
Trevinhohi Laney10:06
Laneyyou figured out what work needs doing?10:07
TrevinhoLaney: yeah...10:08
Laneynice10:09
TrevinhoLaney: here's a draft  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zW4pwxFG/20170605_180857.jpg10:10
Laneycool10:10
Trevinhowillcooke: ^^ :-)10:13
willcookeTrevinho, nice one!10:15
TrevinhoAnd submerged by various hidpi hw :-D10:15
TrevinhoCan I bring one home? :-D10:15
TrevinhoNo joking, i've no space...10:15
willcookeTrevinho, was there Hidpi hardware available in the office then?10:17
TrevinhoYes... This place is just full of any laptop you might want10:18
TrevinhoAnd upstairs they told me there are like 300 other pieces of hw...10:18
Laneynice10:20
Laneydo you have something hidpi already?10:20
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jbichaI'm working on removing UOA from evolution-data-server now12:08
jbicha*disabling*12:08
Laneynod12:09
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jbichaLaney: is it ok for me to self-approve things like https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-session/dont-recommend-uoa/+merge/325081 ?14:22
Laneyjbicha: If you test it and it's more or less trivial, I don't see why not14:23
kenvandinejbicha, bug 169590914:23
ubot5bug 1695909 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashes on startup without libgdm1 installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169590914:23
Laneythat's the kind of thing I would self approve for myself14:23
kenvandinei guess we can't use a try/catch around schema loading since it aborts :/14:24
Laneykenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/169521214:24
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1695212 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "[Desktop 20170602] gnome-shell fails to start. Black screen on boot." [Critical,Triaged]14:24
kenvandineoh bugger14:24
kenvandinei just looked for a bug on it and didn't find one :)14:24
Laneyno evidence anyone has worked on it yet14:24
jbichakenvandine: that schema is used in a lot of places in the code so I was kind of hoping robert_ancell would fix it for us14:24
Laneyso doesn't matter that much14:24
kenvandinejbicha, i don't think we can just use a try/catch for schemas14:25
kenvandineso a bit more invasive than i would like for a distro patch14:25
jbichatemporarily moving those schemas to a package that is in main is one workaround but that sounds heavy-handed14:26
kenvandineyeah, i don't like that idea either14:27
kenvandinealthough i don't have a solution myself either :/14:27
kenvandineLaney, i'm also not thrilled with unity being removed on upgrade just because we dropped it from ubuntu-desktop14:28
kenvandineLaney, any suggestions to prevent that?14:28
jbichasince Robert started this, I'm interested to hear what he thinks about fixign the gdm schema problem14:28
kenvandinejbicha, yeah14:28
jbichakenvandine: I strongly disagree with you; I definitely don't want users to still have Unity installed unless they explicitly install it themselves afterwards14:29
Laneyright, it's pretty much what I expect to happen14:29
jbichafor instance, LP: #168608114:30
ubot5Launchpad bug 1686081 in xorg (Ubuntu) "If -synaptics is installed, GNOME Mouse & Touchpad Settings doesn't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168608114:30
kenvandineseb128 and i had talked about leaving it around14:30
jbichahow would that help users?14:30
kenvandinejust so they aren't forced to make the switch immediately to get a working session14:31
kenvandinewillcooke, or was it you that said you didn't want unity removed on upgrade?14:32
kenvandineeither willcooke or seb128 said that14:32
kenvandinei would have expected it to show up as a suggestion to remove with autoremove14:32
kenvandinebut hadn't thought about it much14:32
jbichahaving Unity7 installed for upgraders isn't really a solution to GNOME not working14:33
* willcooke reads backlog#14:34
kenvandinetrue14:34
kenvandineoh, it was a question that came  up in the OMG interview, so it must have been willcooke :)14:35
willcookeI think we agreed upgrade to 17.10 would keep U7 as alternate session (ie. not removed on upgrade), but that we would probably want to change that for 18.04.14:35
kenvandineright14:35
kenvandinewillcooke, so when we dropped unity from the seed, it was getting removed on upgrade14:35
kenvandinealthough we ran into a nasty problem with gnome-shell without gdm and had to add unity back to the seed as a quick fix14:36
jbichawillcooke: I don't think the Ubuntu Desktop team agreed to keep Unity7 installed for upgraders14:36
LaneyThen you don't want to drop it from the seed, and we want to stop dropping Unity related code14:36
LaneyI don't remember this agreement fwiw14:36
kenvandinewillcooke, libgdm1 provides a gsettings schema that the shell needs14:36
willcookeI might be misremembering then.  Laney shall we disuss this on Thursday?14:38
LaneyDunno, probably want to talk about it in public14:39
LaneyI don't know what conversations everyone's had so I can't say that it didn't get talked about14:39
kenvandinemaybe talk about it in the team meeting14:40
* kenvandine doesn't really have an opinion14:40
willcookethat sounds like a good idea, let's talk about it tomorrow14:40
Laneybut the normal thing would be that it gets autoremoved by apt autoremove or the release upgrader14:40
Laneyok14:40
kenvandineLaney, yeah, i thought it would have showed in autoremove suggestions14:40
kenvandinebut apparently it actually got removed on dist-upgrade14:41
Laneythat is what happened14:41
kenvandinei didn't try it myself14:41
kenvandineoh, on friday someone was complaining that it was removed14:41
Laneythey autoremoved14:41
kenvandinei assumed on dist-upgrade14:41
kenvandineok14:41
kenvandinecool14:41
Laneythe graphical tool will do this by default though14:41
kenvandineah14:41
kenvandinethat's tidy :)14:41
Laneyso the effect is that same as what you thought we'd agreed not to do14:41
Laneymore or less14:42
kenvandineyeah, i don't think i was around for that discussion.  just based it on what willcooke had told me :)14:42
Laneyokies14:42
jbichayes, it showed up in autoremove14:42
Laneylot of moving parts, easy to get crossed wires14:42
LaneyI think the disservice would be to promote an unmaintained desktop14:43
kenvandinei suspect we aren't going to be able to truely drop the libgdm1 need though14:43
kenvandinebut we'll see if robert has ideas14:43
Laneythat looks hard to fix to me14:43
kenvandineyeah14:43
kenvandinegsettings is not forgiving14:43
Laneywell14:43
Laneyyou could put if (gdm) around all of it14:44
Laneyanything that touches the setting14:44
kenvandineah... better than try/catch :)14:44
kenvandinebut still, ugly14:44
Laneythe whole thing is ugly to me14:44
Laneyand I'm worried that the amount of occurrences of gdm in the code means that it's quite deeply integrated14:45
kenvandineyeah14:45
Laneythen again, you can run gnome-shell from ligthdm currently and it more or less works14:45
kenvandinei think it's just the screen locking14:46
Laneyin that case you don't get gdm running14:46
Laneyso ... if that's the case maybe it's not as bad as it looks?14:46
kenvandineyeah14:46
* Laney is a bit of an idiot here14:46
Laney:)14:46
kenvandinebut we wanted to drop the depends just to speed up the mir :)14:46
kenvandineMIR14:46
Laneyright14:47
kenvandinebut robert was a little trigger happy there i guess :)14:47
LaneyI'm kind of wondering out loud if hacking it out more is a workable solution14:47
Laney2017-06-05 15:42:34 - INFO: Processed gstreamer1.0-plugins-good/1.12.0-1ubuntu1/amd64, components: 0, hints: 114:48
Laneyweeeeeeeeee14:48
kenvandine:)14:48
jbichahalfline seemed open to the idea of GNOME switching to LightDM but we needs Robert's new greeter work and the CLA issue to be cleared up for that to really be considered14:48
kenvandinethat would be very cool14:51
jbichaI guess I need a member of ~indicator-applet-developers to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-session/dont-recommend-uoa/+merge/325081 for bileto to let me publish15:24
Laney.15:24
jbichathx15:25
Laneynp!15:25
jbichaI put some screenshots in ~/Pictures in Unity 17.04 but I can't find them by searching in Unity's Dash16:09
jbichaunity-lens-photos is supposed to show local photos too, isn't it?16:09
jbichaoh, you have to import photos into Shotwell first! :|16:26
jbichakenvandine: can you review the 2 MPs from https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2794 ?16:58
kenvandinejbicha, sure16:59
kenvandinejbicha, done17:01
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jbichakenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/libunity/drop-uoa-recommends/+merge/32509919:29
jbichahttps://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/unity/drop-uoa-recommends/+merge/32509719:29
kenvandinejbicha, approved the uoa one... not sure how i feel about skipping the tests19:32
kenvandinei guess it makes sense... just makes my skin crawl a little ;)19:33
jbichawe can ask other people tomorrow about it, but the libunity approval is helpful19:33
kenvandinejbicha, yeah, ask someone else... i don't want to get shot :)19:34
kenvandineif nobody else does it, give me a shout though19:34
kenvandinejbicha, btw i re-assigned the gdm3 MIR to security and had a chat with them about the situation19:35
jbichaok19:36
kenvandinejbicha, still looking forward to seeing what robert thinks, but I'm assuming we're going to need gdm19:37
kenvandinedidn't want to wait until tomorrow19:37
jbichaI'm guessing he had the day off yesterday (Monday) since I didn't see him around earlier19:37
kenvandineyeah19:37
willcookeHe gets a day off for the queens birthday19:38
willcookeThere's a thin line between that and Hamburgler's birthday19:39
willcooke;D19:39
kenvandinewillcooke, lol19:41
jbichathat's ridiculous, she wasn't even born in June!19:41
willcookeVery much like Hamburgler, no one is actually sure of the official date so best to take two days off a year to be sure.19:48
kenvandinewow... an evince bug I filed in 2005 was just marked as fixed :)19:49
kenvandineoh wait, no it was fixed long ago but the bug was just edited :)19:50
kenvandineweird19:50
jbichakenvandine: L_aney said no on disabling Unity's tests19:50
kenvandinekind of how i felt :)19:51
kenvandinealthough i kind of feel like how much should we care since we are dropping unity19:51
kenvandinebut if they passed before, we should keep them passing19:52
LaneyIt built 5 days ago.19:52
LaneyWhat would break between now and then?19:52
LaneyThat's a bit concerning19:52
willcookeright, calling it a night.20:27
willcookenight all20:27
jbichait is libunity being rebuilt that led Unity to FTBFS21:15
jbichawell it builds on zesty21:56
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jbichaxnox: I had to re-do my merge today to include the indicator-datetime changes you didn't want to push23:29
jbichahttps://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-datetime/dont-recommend-ubuntu-system-settings/+merge/32511923:29
jbichait's helping you get rid of unity8 stuff :|23:29

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