[06:21] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:58] <willcooke> morning all
[08:05] <Laney> wtf
[08:05] <Laney> forgot to press enter
[08:05] <Laney> hi!
[08:11] <willcooke> Seems Amazon have revoked rclones API keys, so my backups havent been working for a few weeks
[08:14] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke, Laney
[08:14] <willcooke> morning oSoMoN
[08:31] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[08:31] <Laney> you good?
[08:38] <oSoMoN> Laney, yup, had a very good week-end! you?
[08:42] <Laney> oSoMoN: also good - went to visit the family & for a birthday meal
[08:42] <Laney> was nice and sunny
[08:42] <oSoMoN> twas mostly rainy here, but nice anyway
[08:43] <Laney> ah we've got that now http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5
[09:17] <andyrock> morning all
[09:23] <Trevinho> Hi guys...
[09:23] <Trevinho> I forgot to open IRC all day... But hackfest is going nicely.
[10:06] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[10:06] <Trevinho> hi Laney
[10:07] <Laney> you figured out what work needs doing?
[10:08] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah...
[10:09] <Laney> nice
[10:10] <Trevinho> Laney: here's a draft  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zW4pwxFG/20170605_180857.jpg
[10:10] <Laney> cool
[10:13] <Trevinho> willcooke: ^^ :-)
[10:15] <willcooke> Trevinho, nice one!
[10:15] <Trevinho> And submerged by various hidpi hw :-D
[10:15] <Trevinho> Can I bring one home? :-D
[10:15] <Trevinho> No joking, i've no space...
[10:17] <willcooke> Trevinho, was there Hidpi hardware available in the office then?
[10:18] <Trevinho> Yes... This place is just full of any laptop you might want
[10:18] <Trevinho> And upstairs they told me there are like 300 other pieces of hw...
[10:20] <Laney> nice
[10:20] <Laney> do you have something hidpi already?
[12:08] <jbicha> I'm working on removing UOA from evolution-data-server now
[12:08] <jbicha> *disabling*
[12:09] <Laney> nod
[14:22] <jbicha> Laney: is it ok for me to self-approve things like https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-session/dont-recommend-uoa/+merge/325081 ?
[14:23] <Laney> jbicha: If you test it and it's more or less trivial, I don't see why not
[14:23] <kenvandine> jbicha, bug 1695909
[14:23] <Laney> that's the kind of thing I would self approve for myself
[14:24] <kenvandine> i guess we can't use a try/catch around schema loading since it aborts :/
[14:24] <Laney> kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1695212
[14:24] <kenvandine> oh bugger
[14:24] <kenvandine> i just looked for a bug on it and didn't find one :)
[14:24] <Laney> no evidence anyone has worked on it yet
[14:24] <jbicha> kenvandine: that schema is used in a lot of places in the code so I was kind of hoping robert_ancell would fix it for us
[14:24] <Laney> so doesn't matter that much
[14:25] <kenvandine> jbicha, i don't think we can just use a try/catch for schemas
[14:25] <kenvandine> so a bit more invasive than i would like for a distro patch
[14:26] <jbicha> temporarily moving those schemas to a package that is in main is one workaround but that sounds heavy-handed
[14:27] <kenvandine> yeah, i don't like that idea either
[14:27] <kenvandine> although i don't have a solution myself either :/
[14:28] <kenvandine> Laney, i'm also not thrilled with unity being removed on upgrade just because we dropped it from ubuntu-desktop
[14:28] <kenvandine> Laney, any suggestions to prevent that?
[14:28] <jbicha> since Robert started this, I'm interested to hear what he thinks about fixign the gdm schema problem
[14:28] <kenvandine> jbicha, yeah
[14:29] <jbicha> kenvandine: I strongly disagree with you; I definitely don't want users to still have Unity installed unless they explicitly install it themselves afterwards
[14:29] <Laney> right, it's pretty much what I expect to happen
[14:30] <jbicha> for instance, LP: #1686081
[14:30] <kenvandine> seb128 and i had talked about leaving it around
[14:30] <jbicha> how would that help users?
[14:31] <kenvandine> just so they aren't forced to make the switch immediately to get a working session
[14:32] <kenvandine> willcooke, or was it you that said you didn't want unity removed on upgrade?
[14:32] <kenvandine> either willcooke or seb128 said that
[14:32] <kenvandine> i would have expected it to show up as a suggestion to remove with autoremove
[14:32] <kenvandine> but hadn't thought about it much
[14:33] <jbicha> having Unity7 installed for upgraders isn't really a solution to GNOME not working
[14:34]  * willcooke reads backlog#
[14:34] <kenvandine> true
[14:35] <kenvandine> oh, it was a question that came  up in the OMG interview, so it must have been willcooke :)
[14:35] <willcooke> I think we agreed upgrade to 17.10 would keep U7 as alternate session (ie. not removed on upgrade), but that we would probably want to change that for 18.04.
[14:35] <kenvandine> right
[14:35] <kenvandine> willcooke, so when we dropped unity from the seed, it was getting removed on upgrade
[14:36] <kenvandine> although we ran into a nasty problem with gnome-shell without gdm and had to add unity back to the seed as a quick fix
[14:36] <jbicha> willcooke: I don't think the Ubuntu Desktop team agreed to keep Unity7 installed for upgraders
[14:36] <Laney> Then you don't want to drop it from the seed, and we want to stop dropping Unity related code
[14:36] <Laney> I don't remember this agreement fwiw
[14:36] <kenvandine> willcooke, libgdm1 provides a gsettings schema that the shell needs
[14:38] <willcooke> I might be misremembering then.  Laney shall we disuss this on Thursday?
[14:39] <Laney> Dunno, probably want to talk about it in public
[14:39] <Laney> I don't know what conversations everyone's had so I can't say that it didn't get talked about
[14:40] <kenvandine> maybe talk about it in the team meeting
[14:40]  * kenvandine doesn't really have an opinion
[14:40] <willcooke> that sounds like a good idea, let's talk about it tomorrow
[14:40] <Laney> but the normal thing would be that it gets autoremoved by apt autoremove or the release upgrader
[14:40] <Laney> ok
[14:40] <kenvandine> Laney, yeah, i thought it would have showed in autoremove suggestions
[14:41] <kenvandine> but apparently it actually got removed on dist-upgrade
[14:41] <Laney> that is what happened
[14:41] <kenvandine> i didn't try it myself
[14:41] <kenvandine> oh, on friday someone was complaining that it was removed
[14:41] <Laney> they autoremoved
[14:41] <kenvandine> i assumed on dist-upgrade
[14:41] <kenvandine> ok
[14:41] <kenvandine> cool
[14:41] <Laney> the graphical tool will do this by default though
[14:41] <kenvandine> ah
[14:41] <kenvandine> that's tidy :)
[14:41] <Laney> so the effect is that same as what you thought we'd agreed not to do
[14:42] <Laney> more or less
[14:42] <kenvandine> yeah, i don't think i was around for that discussion.  just based it on what willcooke had told me :)
[14:42] <Laney> okies
[14:42] <jbicha> yes, it showed up in autoremove
[14:42] <Laney> lot of moving parts, easy to get crossed wires
[14:43] <Laney> I think the disservice would be to promote an unmaintained desktop
[14:43] <kenvandine> i suspect we aren't going to be able to truely drop the libgdm1 need though
[14:43] <kenvandine> but we'll see if robert has ideas
[14:43] <Laney> that looks hard to fix to me
[14:43] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:43] <kenvandine> gsettings is not forgiving
[14:43] <Laney> well
[14:44] <Laney> you could put if (gdm) around all of it
[14:44] <Laney> anything that touches the setting
[14:44] <kenvandine> ah... better than try/catch :)
[14:44] <kenvandine> but still, ugly
[14:44] <Laney> the whole thing is ugly to me
[14:45] <Laney> and I'm worried that the amount of occurrences of gdm in the code means that it's quite deeply integrated
[14:45] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:45] <Laney> then again, you can run gnome-shell from ligthdm currently and it more or less works
[14:46] <kenvandine> i think it's just the screen locking
[14:46] <Laney> in that case you don't get gdm running
[14:46] <Laney> so ... if that's the case maybe it's not as bad as it looks?
[14:46] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:46]  * Laney is a bit of an idiot here
[14:46] <Laney> :)
[14:46] <kenvandine> but we wanted to drop the depends just to speed up the mir :)
[14:46] <kenvandine> MIR
[14:47] <Laney> right
[14:47] <kenvandine> but robert was a little trigger happy there i guess :)
[14:47] <Laney> I'm kind of wondering out loud if hacking it out more is a workable solution
[14:48] <Laney> 2017-06-05 15:42:34 - INFO: Processed gstreamer1.0-plugins-good/1.12.0-1ubuntu1/amd64, components: 0, hints: 1
[14:48] <Laney> weeeeeeeeee
[14:48] <kenvandine> :)
[14:48] <jbicha> halfline seemed open to the idea of GNOME switching to LightDM but we needs Robert's new greeter work and the CLA issue to be cleared up for that to really be considered
[14:51] <kenvandine> that would be very cool
[15:24] <jbicha> I guess I need a member of ~indicator-applet-developers to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-session/dont-recommend-uoa/+merge/325081 for bileto to let me publish
[15:24] <Laney> .
[15:25] <jbicha> thx
[15:25] <Laney> np!
[16:09] <jbicha> I put some screenshots in ~/Pictures in Unity 17.04 but I can't find them by searching in Unity's Dash
[16:09] <jbicha> unity-lens-photos is supposed to show local photos too, isn't it?
[16:26] <jbicha> oh, you have to import photos into Shotwell first! :|
[16:58] <jbicha> kenvandine: can you review the 2 MPs from https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2794 ?
[16:59] <kenvandine> jbicha, sure
[17:01] <kenvandine> jbicha, done
[19:29] <jbicha> kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/libunity/drop-uoa-recommends/+merge/325099
[19:29] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/unity/drop-uoa-recommends/+merge/325097
[19:32] <kenvandine> jbicha, approved the uoa one... not sure how i feel about skipping the tests
[19:33] <kenvandine> i guess it makes sense... just makes my skin crawl a little ;)
[19:33] <jbicha> we can ask other people tomorrow about it, but the libunity approval is helpful
[19:34] <kenvandine> jbicha, yeah, ask someone else... i don't want to get shot :)
[19:34] <kenvandine> if nobody else does it, give me a shout though
[19:35] <kenvandine> jbicha, btw i re-assigned the gdm3 MIR to security and had a chat with them about the situation
[19:36] <jbicha> ok
[19:37] <kenvandine> jbicha, still looking forward to seeing what robert thinks, but I'm assuming we're going to need gdm
[19:37] <kenvandine> didn't want to wait until tomorrow
[19:37] <jbicha> I'm guessing he had the day off yesterday (Monday) since I didn't see him around earlier
[19:37] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:38] <willcooke> He gets a day off for the queens birthday
[19:39] <willcooke> There's a thin line between that and Hamburgler's birthday
[19:39] <willcooke> ;D
[19:41] <kenvandine> willcooke, lol
[19:41] <jbicha> that's ridiculous, she wasn't even born in June!
[19:48] <willcooke> Very much like Hamburgler, no one is actually sure of the official date so best to take two days off a year to be sure.
[19:49] <kenvandine> wow... an evince bug I filed in 2005 was just marked as fixed :)
[19:50] <kenvandine> oh wait, no it was fixed long ago but the bug was just edited :)
[19:50] <kenvandine> weird
[19:50] <jbicha> kenvandine: L_aney said no on disabling Unity's tests
[19:51] <kenvandine> kind of how i felt :)
[19:51] <kenvandine> although i kind of feel like how much should we care since we are dropping unity
[19:52] <kenvandine> but if they passed before, we should keep them passing
[19:52] <Laney> It built 5 days ago.
[19:52] <Laney> What would break between now and then?
[19:52] <Laney> That's a bit concerning
[20:27] <willcooke> right, calling it a night.
[20:27] <willcooke> night all
[21:15] <jbicha> it is libunity being rebuilt that led Unity to FTBFS
[21:56] <jbicha> well it builds on zesty
[23:29] <jbicha> xnox: I had to re-do my merge today to include the indicator-datetime changes you didn't want to push
[23:29] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-datetime/dont-recommend-ubuntu-system-settings/+merge/325119
[23:29] <jbicha> it's helping you get rid of unity8 stuff :|