| evc | mate is awesome | 01:12 |
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| Perverso | hola como puedo poner el icono de rhythmbox en el panel | 05:31 |
| Perverso | tengo ubuntu mate | 05:31 |
| johnjay | hi i'm about to run a fresh install of ubuntu mate 16.04 for my raspberry pi | 07:04 |
| johnjay | can I get the latest packages with a simple apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? | 07:05 |
| ubuntu-mate | You would get the latest packages released for 16.04 | 07:06 |
| johnjay | but i wouldn't get upgraded to 16.10 or 17? | 07:07 |
| johnjay | i'm not sure if that's possible. the site only had rpi images for 16.04 | 07:07 |
| johnjay | basically the situation with debian is making me nervous | 07:09 |
| alkisg | johnjay: apt-get update only gives you updates within the same distro version | 07:09 |
| johnjay | i had to switch to testing on raspbian just to get semi-current packages | 07:09 |
| alkisg | do-release-upgrade gets you to the next version | 07:09 |
| johnjay | what would happen if I tried do-rease-upgrade on a raspberry pi 3? | 07:10 |
| johnjay | *release | 07:10 |
| alkisg | I don't know the state of the kernel in recent releases | 07:10 |
| johnjay | i mean, is it possible the system wouldn't even boot or something? | 07:10 |
| alkisg | I prefer to stick to what the distro maintainers actually maintain :) | 07:10 |
| alkisg | Yes of course it's possible that the kernel won't even boot | 07:10 |
| ubuntu-mate | Then dont do release/upgrade. I-ts that simple | 07:10 |
| johnjay | that's what i'm trying to determine | 07:11 |
| alkisg | E.g. the stock ubuntu 16.04 armhf kernel doesn't boot on pi | 07:11 |
| alkisg | So pi requires a special kernel there | 07:11 |
| johnjay | i see | 07:11 |
| alkisg | And if the maintainer doesn't take care that it boots in 17.04, then it just won't boot... | 07:11 |
| alkisg | So if you're not a developer, stick to LTS releases | 07:12 |
| johnjay | i'm sorry, so in ubuntu in general the LTS releases are more stable | 07:12 |
| alkisg | Yes | 07:12 |
| johnjay | e.g. the 16.04? and the 16.10's and so on are more bleeding edge? | 07:12 |
| alkisg | Yes, 16.04 is LTS and more stable, while the other releases are maintained for less time and sometimes have less quality too | 07:13 |
| johnjay | and normally dist-upgrade would take you from 16.04 to 16.10? | 07:13 |
| alkisg | No | 07:13 |
| alkisg | dist-upgrade is normal update within 16.04 | 07:13 |
| alkisg | do-release-upgrade gets you to 16.10 | 07:13 |
| johnjay | ok | 07:14 |
| johnjay | but if I did that on the pi, I'd still have the 16 kernel | 07:14 |
| johnjay | so does that have the same risk? | 07:14 |
| alkisg | dist-upgrade has no risk, it's even recommended to do it | 07:15 |
| johnjay | right. ok. | 07:15 |
| alkisg | do-release-upgrade has a risk | 07:15 |
| johnjay | even if it's to 16.10 from 16.04? | 07:15 |
| alkisg | What you just asked made no sense | 07:15 |
| alkisg | apt-get dist-upgrade does not get you to a new distro version | 07:15 |
| alkisg | So how can it go to 16.10 from 16.04? | 07:16 |
| johnjay | right | 07:17 |
| johnjay | i mean, what is the risk of going from 16.04 to 16.10 | 07:17 |
| alkisg | apt and apt-get, with any parameters, don't go to new distro versions | 07:17 |
| johnjay | that the kernel might not even run? | 07:17 |
| alkisg | It requires a special program to go to a new version, and it's called do-release-upgrade | 07:17 |
| alkisg | We already said that it's possible that the 16.10 might not run | 07:18 |
| johnjay | i thought you meant for 17 | 07:18 |
| johnjay | i see now | 07:18 |
| alkisg | So "the risk of going from 16.04 to 16.10", wouldn't that include the possibility of the kernel not running there? | 07:18 |
| johnjay | so it's not like raspbian where there's the usual stable/testing/sid | 07:18 |
| johnjay | kind of like safe/slightly risky/insanely risky | 07:18 |
| alkisg | No, it's LTS, non-LTS, non-LTS, non-LTS, and then the LTS again, same cycle | 07:18 |
| johnjay | so in general the non-LTSs wouldn't be safe for my situation | 07:19 |
| alkisg | Testing and sid is similar to if you try to use 17.10 now, while it's not released yet | 07:19 |
| johnjay | unless I found say a thread where someone said Hey I installed this specific release on my pi and it's fine | 07:19 |
| alkisg | Right, and that's because ubuntu-mate hasn't released non -LTS versions | 07:20 |
| alkisg | For other non-LTS releases, e.g. for plain Ubuntu, things would be much more stable | 07:20 |
| alkisg | Because the devs there did do and support those releases | 07:20 |
| alkisg | (10:20:07 πμ) alkisg: Right, and that's because ubuntu-mate hasn't released non -LTS versions ==> I mean for the rpi, of course | 07:21 |
| johnjay | there is a ubuntu mate 16.10. is that non-LTS? | 07:21 |
| alkisg | All Ubuntu 16.04 are LTS | 07:21 |
| alkisg | All Ubuntu 16.10 are non-LTS | 07:21 |
| alkisg | LTS is every two years, so 14.04, 16.04, 18.04 etc | 07:21 |
| alkisg | !lts | 07:21 |
| ubottu | LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Xenial (Xenial Xerus 16.04.1). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information. | 07:21 |
| johnjay | sorry it sounded to me like you said ubuntu Mate is only LTS releases | 07:22 |
| johnjay | ah ok | 07:22 |
| johnjay | didn't see your message | 07:22 |
| johnjay | so the takeaway here is I could do do-release-upgrade if I wanted to | 07:23 |
| johnjay | but as there is no non-LTS version checked for the pi, it might just break | 07:23 |
| alkisg | Right | 07:24 |
| johnjay | ok that makes more sense | 07:26 |
| johnjay | i'm a debian user and I couldn't find good info from the ubuntu wiki or askubuntu | 07:27 |
| johnjay | thanks for the clarification alkisg | 07:30 |
| alkisg | np | 07:30 |
| johnjay | I didn't even know projects like ubuntu-mate existed | 07:30 |
| johnjay | i heard of like, kubuntu and lubuntu and such though | 07:30 |
| alkisg | Each desktop environment has an ubuntu flavor for it | 07:33 |
| johnjay | i see | 07:33 |
| johnjay | is that related to Unity being tightly integrated into ubuntu? | 07:34 |
| johnjay | whenever people talk about ubuntu unity always gets brought up i've found | 07:34 |
| alkisg | Unity is no longer developed | 07:36 |
| johnjay | ah ok. | 07:52 |
| johnjay | i can't fathom why different desktop environments would need different releases | 07:52 |
| alkisg | johnjay: you get a live cd. Which desktop environment do you want there? | 07:53 |
| alkisg | LXDE? Then get the lubuntu live cd | 07:53 |
| alkisg | MATE? Then get the mate live cd etc | 07:53 |
| alkisg | You can't put all of them there, it would require 10 GB | 07:53 |
| johnjay | good point | 07:53 |
| johnjay | blu rays aren't exact standard | 07:54 |
| alkisg | And 4 GB usb sticks are common :) | 07:54 |
| johnjay | well anyways ima boot up ubuntu mate | 07:55 |
| johnjay | if it crashes on me or something i'll be back here right away | 07:56 |
| johnjay | well i'm pleased to say ubuntu-mate got my usb speakers working ootb | 08:33 |
| webmind | nice | 08:34 |
| johnjay | weechat is only 1.4 though | 08:34 |
| johnjay | not sure how to upgrade individual packages unless through source | 08:34 |
| johnjay | the weechat folks told me to add their repo but that sounded risky | 08:34 |
| johnjay | nice mate terminal has framebuffer support built in | 09:01 |
| alkisg | !ppa | 09:02 |
| ubottu | A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge | 09:02 |
| johnjay | so i can install ppa but not deb in ubuntu? | 09:03 |
| alkisg | You can install ppa and deb, sure | 09:06 |
| alkisg | PPAs are used to install *and update* .debs | 09:07 |
| alkisg | While if you just install a .deb, you don't get updates | 09:07 |
| johnjay | oh ok | 09:07 |
| webmind | sometimes one can also use backports | 09:08 |
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| Guest49894 | Hi! Is there on a later stage to encrypt the hole system, or must a start from scratch? | 10:22 |
| webmind | if you want to encrypt the whole-system, it's best to do this from the start | 10:24 |
| Guest49894 | For example, if I purchase a Orion inklusive a Mate installation, do you think I am able to instruct them to encrypt to hole system and is there a possibilty to change the password later, for example with disks? | 10:27 |
| Guest49894 | Since I have to make the decision from the start, otherwise I have to purchase sole the machine and install Mate by myself! Since I will order to 2 disks may I run into problems, because I am new, but want change the system from Win to Ubuntu! | 10:40 |
| webmind | tricky. I don't know how easy it is the change the password, but it should be possible | 11:07 |
| webmind | I personally however would not trust a 3rd party to do the encrypted situation | 11:07 |
| webmind | ubuntu-mate installation is fairly easy, but have not looked at how easy it is with encryption,I guess not very difficult | 11:08 |
| touzi | hi | 11:53 |
| touzi | pppp | 11:55 |
| fileserver | Hi | 18:31 |
| fileserver | Wait, before you ask why my name is fileserver that is because that is what I am using this rpi for | 18:32 |
| johnjay | lol ok... | 18:34 |
| johnjay | speaking of the rpi | 18:34 |
| johnjay | i don't see a temperature widget for the panel | 18:34 |
| johnjay | is there an easy way to add the output of a sh command to show up in bright green on the panel? | 18:34 |
| johnjay | I know how to get my temperature from the command line | 18:34 |
| rossi-mate | Hello guys, can anyone help me to upgrade my OS version? | 18:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | do-release-upgrade in terminal? | 18:56 |
| rossi-mate | I'd just installed a ubuntu MATE 14.04, nothing done yet. Can i securely update with terminal? | 18:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't see why not, is this a PC? | 18:58 |
| johnjay | rossi-mate: that would upgrade you to 14.10 | 18:59 |
| johnjay | based on my limited understanding from alkisg trying to explain it to me | 18:59 |
| rossi-mate | I'm using a Note. I saw that it will be upgraded to the next version. My question is, could update three times, to achieve the latest version? | 19:04 |
| johnjay | well idk how true this is for the Note | 19:07 |
| johnjay | but I'm on a pi and alkisg said if I upgraded the kernel might not even start | 19:07 |
| johnjay | so idk how hardware supported your Note is | 19:07 |
| rossi-mate | ok. Thanks guys. | 19:09 |
| johnjay | i'm still having trouble getting the temperature on the panel | 21:46 |
| johnjay | any ideas? | 21:46 |
| johnjay | I have the bash command to fetch it if there's a way to display that on the taskbar | 21:47 |
| atZrRar | hi I've a little trouble regarding caja file manager and didn't find any useful fix to it yet. There was a device connected physically to my PC that left some entries among those under ther computer:/// location (in particular, an ipod classic being flashed with rockbox/umsboot altogether) so the question is: how to get rid of these .drive entries, after the actual device is unplugged? gnome-disks always crashes btw when | 21:57 |
| atZrRar | trying to eject or turn off those devices (they're listed there) | 21:57 |
| atZrRar | also, I think that it has to do with gvfs somehow.. however, no idea how to unmount devices out of this one | 21:59 |
| johnjay | caja file manager. is that from arch? | 22:04 |
| deskwizard | johnjay: theres probably a way easier way than this, but you can use that bash cmd with a python indicator | 22:05 |
| johnjay | deskwizard: ooh. how does that work | 22:05 |
| Astro7467 | @johnjay: not at a computer but in sw boutique there is a app (psensor?) that provides an indicator which may help. plus I think there is a panel indicator you can add as part of MATE | 22:06 |
| johnjay | i already tried psensor didn't seem to work | 22:06 |
| johnjay | yeah but idk what it is | 22:06 |
| deskwizard | johnjay: the indicator is (quite rightly) called hardware sensor monitor. | 22:07 |
| johnjay | lol ok | 22:07 |
| johnjay | i don't know what the "right" name is for something like that | 22:07 |
| deskwizard | see, I told you there was way easier ways than what I mentionned lol | 22:08 |
| johnjay | i have mate-sensors-applet-common. but there's no option to add a temp module to the panel | 22:10 |
| johnjay | ah ok i added hardware-sensor-monitor to the panel | 22:11 |
| johnjay | but it says no sensors found. lol | 22:11 |
| DarkPsydeLord | johnjay, so a missing lib somewhere | 22:14 |
| johnjay | idk i googled and don't see any way to create my own mate applet | 22:15 |
| DarkPsydeLord | then create your own conky | 22:15 |
| johnjay | i have the temp already i just need to display it | 22:15 |
| johnjay | what's a conky? | 22:15 |
| DarkPsydeLord | lemme see if i have an image somewhere | 22:15 |
| johnjay | is this that one that overlays on the desktop? | 22:16 |
| johnjay | as opposed to appearing in the taskbar? | 22:16 |
| DarkPsydeLord | https://ptpb.pw/68rt.png | 22:18 |
| DarkPsydeLord | i dont recall what i was doing that day but theres a good img of my conky script | 22:19 |
| johnjay | hmm ok so it is an overlay | 22:19 |
| johnjay | i'd rather have a panel applet since that's what i have | 22:19 |
| johnjay | but if there's no other way... | 22:19 |
| DarkPsydeLord | do you have lm-sensors installed? | 22:20 |
| johnjay | yes 3.4.0-2 | 22:21 |
| DarkPsydeLord | uhm | 22:24 |
| DarkPsydeLord | https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-sensors-applet | 22:25 |
| DarkPsydeLord | theres the source of the applet | 22:25 |
| DarkPsydeLord | as you asked how to create your own | 22:25 |
| johnjay | alright I have conky running and I'm editing the config file | 22:26 |
| johnjay | ah ok thanks DarkPsydeL | 22:26 |
| johnjay | would i need to recompile or just put my script somewhere? | 22:27 |
| DarkPsydeLord | in conky? | 22:27 |
| johnjay | no for making my own mate applet | 22:27 |
| johnjay | i'm asking would i need to recompile mate-desktop or something | 22:28 |
| DarkPsydeLord | na just the applet | 22:28 |
| DarkPsydeLord | recompile the whole DE will be nonsense | 22:28 |
| DarkPsydeLord | also i dont think theres any need to recompile the applet since you are modding only the behaviour and where the info is coming from | 22:29 |
| DarkPsydeLord | just a restart will made the trick | 22:30 |
| johnjay | well it's linux so i'm used to that kind of thing | 22:36 |
| johnjay | trying to build mpv now lol actually | 22:36 |
| johnjay | alright i got conky working and showing my CPU temps | 22:45 |
| deskwizard | johnjay: as I said, you can make a mate applet with python, theres tutorials and all, I'd help more but that's all I managed to do :P | 23:00 |
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