[01:12] <evc> mate is awesome
[05:31] <Perverso> hola como puedo poner el icono de  rhythmbox en el panel
[05:31] <Perverso> tengo ubuntu mate
[07:04] <johnjay> hi i'm about to run a fresh install of ubuntu mate 16.04 for my raspberry pi
[07:05] <johnjay> can I get the latest packages with a simple apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:06] <ubuntu-mate> You would get the latest packages released for 16.04
[07:07] <johnjay> but i wouldn't get upgraded to 16.10 or 17?
[07:07] <johnjay> i'm not sure if that's possible. the site only had rpi images for 16.04
[07:09] <johnjay> basically the situation with debian is making me nervous
[07:09] <alkisg> johnjay: apt-get update only gives you updates within the same distro version
[07:09] <johnjay> i had to switch to testing on raspbian just to get semi-current packages
[07:09] <alkisg> do-release-upgrade gets you to the next version
[07:10] <johnjay> what would happen if I tried do-rease-upgrade on a raspberry pi 3?
[07:10] <johnjay> *release
[07:10] <alkisg> I don't know the state of the kernel in recent releases
[07:10] <johnjay> i mean, is it possible the system wouldn't even boot or something?
[07:10] <alkisg> I prefer to stick to what the distro maintainers actually maintain :)
[07:10] <alkisg> Yes of course it's possible that the kernel won't even boot
[07:10] <ubuntu-mate> Then dont do release/upgrade. I-ts that simple
[07:11] <johnjay> that's what i'm trying to determine
[07:11] <alkisg> E.g. the stock ubuntu 16.04 armhf kernel doesn't boot on pi
[07:11] <alkisg> So pi requires a special kernel there
[07:11] <johnjay> i see
[07:11] <alkisg> And if the maintainer doesn't take care that it boots in 17.04, then it just won't boot...
[07:12] <alkisg> So if you're not a developer, stick to LTS releases
[07:12] <johnjay> i'm sorry, so in ubuntu in general the LTS releases are more stable
[07:12] <alkisg> Yes
[07:12] <johnjay> e.g. the 16.04? and the 16.10's and so on are more bleeding edge?
[07:13] <alkisg> Yes, 16.04 is LTS and more stable, while the other releases are maintained for less time and sometimes have less quality too
[07:13] <johnjay> and normally dist-upgrade would take you from 16.04 to 16.10?
[07:13] <alkisg> No
[07:13] <alkisg> dist-upgrade is normal update within 16.04
[07:13] <alkisg> do-release-upgrade gets you to 16.10
[07:14] <johnjay> ok
[07:14] <johnjay> but if I did that on the pi, I'd still have the 16 kernel
[07:14] <johnjay> so does that have the same risk?
[07:15] <alkisg> dist-upgrade has no risk, it's even recommended to do it
[07:15] <johnjay> right. ok.
[07:15] <alkisg> do-release-upgrade has a risk
[07:15] <johnjay> even if it's to 16.10 from 16.04?
[07:15] <alkisg> What you just asked made no sense
[07:15] <alkisg> apt-get dist-upgrade does not get you to a new distro version
[07:16] <alkisg> So how can it go to 16.10 from 16.04?
[07:17] <johnjay> right
[07:17] <johnjay> i mean, what is the risk of going from 16.04 to 16.10
[07:17] <alkisg> apt and apt-get, with any parameters, don't go to new distro versions
[07:17] <johnjay> that the kernel might not even run?
[07:17] <alkisg> It requires a special program to go to a new version, and it's called do-release-upgrade
[07:18] <alkisg> We already said that it's possible that the 16.10 might not run
[07:18] <johnjay> i thought you meant for 17
[07:18] <johnjay> i see now
[07:18] <alkisg> So "the risk of going from 16.04 to 16.10", wouldn't that include the possibility of the kernel not running there?
[07:18] <johnjay> so it's not like raspbian where there's the usual stable/testing/sid
[07:18] <johnjay> kind of like safe/slightly risky/insanely risky
[07:18] <alkisg> No, it's LTS, non-LTS, non-LTS, non-LTS, and then the LTS again, same cycle
[07:19] <johnjay> so in general the non-LTSs wouldn't be safe for my situation
[07:19] <alkisg> Testing and sid is similar to if you try to use 17.10 now, while it's not released yet
[07:19] <johnjay> unless I found say a thread where someone said Hey I installed this specific release on my pi and it's fine
[07:20] <alkisg> Right, and that's because ubuntu-mate hasn't released non -LTS versions
[07:20] <alkisg> For other non-LTS releases, e.g. for plain Ubuntu, things would be much more stable
[07:20] <alkisg> Because the devs there did do and support those releases
[07:21] <alkisg> (10:20:07 πμ) alkisg: Right, and that's because ubuntu-mate hasn't released non -LTS versions ==> I mean for the rpi, of course
[07:21] <johnjay> there is a ubuntu mate 16.10. is that non-LTS?
[07:21] <alkisg> All Ubuntu 16.04 are LTS
[07:21] <alkisg> All Ubuntu 16.10 are non-LTS
[07:21] <alkisg> LTS is every two years, so 14.04, 16.04, 18.04 etc
[07:21] <alkisg> !lts
[07:22] <johnjay> sorry it sounded to me like you said ubuntu Mate is only LTS releases
[07:22] <johnjay> ah ok
[07:22] <johnjay> didn't see your message
[07:23] <johnjay> so the takeaway here is I could do do-release-upgrade if I wanted to
[07:23] <johnjay> but as there is no non-LTS version checked for the pi, it might just break
[07:24] <alkisg> Right
[07:26] <johnjay> ok that makes more sense
[07:27] <johnjay> i'm a debian user and I couldn't find good info from the ubuntu wiki or askubuntu
[07:30] <johnjay> thanks for the clarification alkisg
[07:30] <alkisg> np
[07:30] <johnjay> I didn't even know projects like ubuntu-mate existed
[07:30] <johnjay> i heard of like, kubuntu and lubuntu and such though
[07:33] <alkisg> Each desktop environment has an ubuntu flavor for it
[07:33] <johnjay> i see
[07:34] <johnjay> is that related to Unity being tightly integrated into ubuntu?
[07:34] <johnjay> whenever people talk about ubuntu unity always gets brought up i've found
[07:36] <alkisg> Unity is no longer developed
[07:52] <johnjay> ah ok.
[07:52] <johnjay> i can't fathom why different desktop environments would need different releases
[07:53] <alkisg> johnjay: you get a live cd. Which desktop environment do you want there?
[07:53] <alkisg> LXDE? Then get the lubuntu live cd
[07:53] <alkisg> MATE? Then get the mate live cd etc
[07:53] <alkisg> You can't put all of them there, it would require 10 GB
[07:53] <johnjay> good point
[07:54] <johnjay> blu rays aren't exact standard
[07:54] <alkisg> And 4 GB usb sticks are common :)
[07:55] <johnjay> well anyways ima boot up ubuntu mate
[07:56] <johnjay> if it crashes on me or something i'll be back here right away
[08:33] <johnjay> well i'm pleased to say ubuntu-mate got my usb speakers working ootb
[08:34] <webmind> nice
[08:34] <johnjay> weechat is only 1.4 though
[08:34] <johnjay> not sure how to upgrade individual packages unless through source
[08:34] <johnjay> the weechat folks told me to add their repo but that sounded risky
[09:01] <johnjay> nice mate terminal has framebuffer support built in
[09:02] <alkisg> !ppa
[09:03] <johnjay> so i can install ppa but not deb in ubuntu?
[09:06] <alkisg> You can install ppa and deb, sure
[09:07] <alkisg> PPAs are used to install *and update* .debs
[09:07] <alkisg> While if you just install a .deb, you don't get updates
[09:07] <johnjay> oh ok
[09:08] <webmind> sometimes one can also use backports
[10:22] <Guest49894> Hi! Is there on a later stage to encrypt the hole system, or must a start from scratch?
[10:24] <webmind> if you want to encrypt the whole-system, it's best to do this from the start
[10:27] <Guest49894> For example, if I purchase a Orion inklusive a Mate installation, do you think I am able to instruct them to encrypt to hole system and is there a possibilty to change the password later, for example with disks?
[10:40] <Guest49894> Since I have to make the decision from the start, otherwise I have to purchase sole the machine and install Mate by myself! Since I will order to 2 disks may I run into problems, because I am new, but want change the system from Win to Ubuntu!
[11:07] <webmind> tricky. I don't know how easy it is the change the password, but it should be possible
[11:07] <webmind> I personally however would not trust a 3rd party to do the encrypted situation
[11:08] <webmind> ubuntu-mate installation is fairly easy, but have not looked at how easy it is with encryption,I guess not very difficult
[11:53] <touzi> hi
[11:55] <touzi> pppp
[18:31] <fileserver> Hi
[18:32] <fileserver> Wait, before you ask why my name is fileserver that is because that is what I am using this rpi for
[18:34] <johnjay> lol ok...
[18:34] <johnjay> speaking of the rpi
[18:34] <johnjay> i don't see a temperature widget for the panel
[18:34] <johnjay> is there an easy way to add the output of a sh command to show up in bright green on the panel?
[18:34] <johnjay> I know how to get my temperature from the command line
[18:56] <rossi-mate> Hello guys, can anyone help me to upgrade my OS version?
[18:56] <sixwheeledbeast> do-release-upgrade in terminal?
[18:58] <rossi-mate> I'd just installed a ubuntu MATE 14.04, nothing done yet. Can i securely update with terminal?
[18:58] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't see why not, is this a PC?
[18:59] <johnjay> rossi-mate: that would upgrade you to 14.10
[18:59] <johnjay> based on my limited understanding from alkisg trying to explain it to me
[19:04] <rossi-mate> I'm using a Note. I saw that it will be upgraded to the next version. My question is, could update three times, to achieve the latest version?
[19:07] <johnjay> well idk how true this is for the Note
[19:07] <johnjay> but I'm on a pi and alkisg said if I upgraded the kernel might not even start
[19:07] <johnjay> so idk how hardware supported your Note is
[19:09] <rossi-mate> ok. Thanks guys.
[21:46] <johnjay> i'm still having trouble getting the temperature on the panel
[21:46] <johnjay> any ideas?
[21:47] <johnjay> I have the bash command to fetch it if there's a way to display that on the taskbar
[21:57] <atZrRar> hi I've a little trouble regarding caja file manager and didn't find any useful fix to it yet. There was a device connected physically to my PC that left some entries among those under ther computer:/// location (in particular, an ipod classic being flashed with rockbox/umsboot altogether) so the question is: how to get rid of these .drive entries, after the actual device is unplugged? gnome-disks always crashes btw when
[21:57] <atZrRar> trying to eject or turn off those devices (they're listed there)
[21:59] <atZrRar> also, I think that it has to do with gvfs somehow.. however, no idea how to unmount devices out of this one
[22:04] <johnjay> caja file manager. is that from arch?
[22:05] <deskwizard> johnjay: theres probably a way easier way than this, but you can use that bash cmd with a python indicator
[22:05] <johnjay> deskwizard: ooh. how does that work
[22:06] <Astro7467> @johnjay: not at a computer but in sw boutique there is a app (psensor?) that provides an indicator which may help. plus I think there is a panel indicator you can add as part of MATE
[22:06] <johnjay> i already tried psensor didn't seem to work
[22:06] <johnjay> yeah but idk what it is
[22:07] <deskwizard> johnjay: the indicator is (quite rightly) called hardware sensor monitor.
[22:07] <johnjay> lol ok
[22:07] <johnjay> i don't know what the "right" name is for something like that
[22:08] <deskwizard> see, I told you there was way easier ways than what I mentionned lol
[22:10] <johnjay> i have mate-sensors-applet-common. but there's no option to add a temp module to the panel
[22:11] <johnjay> ah ok i added hardware-sensor-monitor to the panel
[22:11] <johnjay> but it says no sensors found. lol
[22:14] <DarkPsydeLord> johnjay, so a missing lib somewhere
[22:15] <johnjay> idk i googled and don't see any way to create my own mate applet
[22:15] <DarkPsydeLord> then create your own conky
[22:15] <johnjay> i have the temp already i just need to display it
[22:15] <johnjay> what's a conky?
[22:15] <DarkPsydeLord> lemme see if i have an image somewhere
[22:16] <johnjay> is this that one that overlays on the desktop?
[22:16] <johnjay> as opposed to appearing in the taskbar?
[22:18] <DarkPsydeLord> https://ptpb.pw/68rt.png
[22:19] <DarkPsydeLord> i dont recall what i was doing that day but theres a good img of my conky script
[22:19] <johnjay> hmm ok so it is an overlay
[22:19] <johnjay> i'd rather have a panel applet since that's what i have
[22:19] <johnjay> but if there's no other way...
[22:20] <DarkPsydeLord> do you have lm-sensors installed?
[22:21] <johnjay> yes 3.4.0-2
[22:24] <DarkPsydeLord> uhm
[22:25] <DarkPsydeLord> https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-sensors-applet
[22:25] <DarkPsydeLord> theres the source of the applet
[22:25] <DarkPsydeLord> as you asked how to create your own
[22:26] <johnjay> alright I have conky running and I'm editing the config file
[22:26] <johnjay> ah ok thanks DarkPsydeL
[22:27] <johnjay> would i need to recompile or just put my script somewhere?
[22:27] <DarkPsydeLord> in conky?
[22:27] <johnjay> no for making my own mate applet
[22:28] <johnjay> i'm asking would i need to recompile mate-desktop or something
[22:28] <DarkPsydeLord> na just the applet
[22:28] <DarkPsydeLord> recompile the whole DE will be nonsense
[22:29] <DarkPsydeLord> also i dont think theres any need to recompile the applet since you are modding only the behaviour and where the info is coming from
[22:30] <DarkPsydeLord> just a restart will made the trick
[22:36] <johnjay> well it's linux so i'm used to that kind of thing
[22:36] <johnjay> trying to build mpv now lol actually
[22:45] <johnjay> alright i got conky working and showing my CPU temps
[23:00] <deskwizard> johnjay: as I said, you can make a mate applet with python, theres tutorials and all, I'd help more but that's all I managed to do :P