[01:12] mate is awesome [05:31] hola como puedo poner el icono de rhythmbox en el panel [05:31] tengo ubuntu mate [07:04] hi i'm about to run a fresh install of ubuntu mate 16.04 for my raspberry pi [07:05] can I get the latest packages with a simple apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? [07:06] You would get the latest packages released for 16.04 [07:07] but i wouldn't get upgraded to 16.10 or 17? [07:07] i'm not sure if that's possible. the site only had rpi images for 16.04 [07:09] basically the situation with debian is making me nervous [07:09] johnjay: apt-get update only gives you updates within the same distro version [07:09] i had to switch to testing on raspbian just to get semi-current packages [07:09] do-release-upgrade gets you to the next version [07:10] what would happen if I tried do-rease-upgrade on a raspberry pi 3? [07:10] *release [07:10] I don't know the state of the kernel in recent releases [07:10] i mean, is it possible the system wouldn't even boot or something? [07:10] I prefer to stick to what the distro maintainers actually maintain :) [07:10] Yes of course it's possible that the kernel won't even boot [07:10] Then dont do release/upgrade. I-ts that simple [07:11] that's what i'm trying to determine [07:11] E.g. the stock ubuntu 16.04 armhf kernel doesn't boot on pi [07:11] So pi requires a special kernel there [07:11] i see [07:11] And if the maintainer doesn't take care that it boots in 17.04, then it just won't boot... [07:12] So if you're not a developer, stick to LTS releases [07:12] i'm sorry, so in ubuntu in general the LTS releases are more stable [07:12] Yes [07:12] e.g. the 16.04? and the 16.10's and so on are more bleeding edge? [07:13] Yes, 16.04 is LTS and more stable, while the other releases are maintained for less time and sometimes have less quality too [07:13] and normally dist-upgrade would take you from 16.04 to 16.10? [07:13] No [07:13] dist-upgrade is normal update within 16.04 [07:13] do-release-upgrade gets you to 16.10 [07:14] ok [07:14] but if I did that on the pi, I'd still have the 16 kernel [07:14] so does that have the same risk? [07:15] dist-upgrade has no risk, it's even recommended to do it [07:15] right. ok. [07:15] do-release-upgrade has a risk [07:15] even if it's to 16.10 from 16.04? [07:15] What you just asked made no sense [07:15] apt-get dist-upgrade does not get you to a new distro version [07:16] So how can it go to 16.10 from 16.04? [07:17] right [07:17] i mean, what is the risk of going from 16.04 to 16.10 [07:17] apt and apt-get, with any parameters, don't go to new distro versions [07:17] that the kernel might not even run? [07:17] It requires a special program to go to a new version, and it's called do-release-upgrade [07:18] We already said that it's possible that the 16.10 might not run [07:18] i thought you meant for 17 [07:18] i see now [07:18] So "the risk of going from 16.04 to 16.10", wouldn't that include the possibility of the kernel not running there? [07:18] so it's not like raspbian where there's the usual stable/testing/sid [07:18] kind of like safe/slightly risky/insanely risky [07:18] No, it's LTS, non-LTS, non-LTS, non-LTS, and then the LTS again, same cycle [07:19] so in general the non-LTSs wouldn't be safe for my situation [07:19] Testing and sid is similar to if you try to use 17.10 now, while it's not released yet [07:19] unless I found say a thread where someone said Hey I installed this specific release on my pi and it's fine [07:20] Right, and that's because ubuntu-mate hasn't released non -LTS versions [07:20] For other non-LTS releases, e.g. for plain Ubuntu, things would be much more stable [07:20] Because the devs there did do and support those releases [07:21] (10:20:07 πμ) alkisg: Right, and that's because ubuntu-mate hasn't released non -LTS versions ==> I mean for the rpi, of course [07:21] there is a ubuntu mate 16.10. is that non-LTS? [07:21] All Ubuntu 16.04 are LTS [07:21] All Ubuntu 16.10 are non-LTS [07:21] LTS is every two years, so 14.04, 16.04, 18.04 etc [07:21] !lts [07:21] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Xenial (Xenial Xerus 16.04.1). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information. [07:22] sorry it sounded to me like you said ubuntu Mate is only LTS releases [07:22] ah ok [07:22] didn't see your message [07:23] so the takeaway here is I could do do-release-upgrade if I wanted to [07:23] but as there is no non-LTS version checked for the pi, it might just break [07:24] Right [07:26] ok that makes more sense [07:27] i'm a debian user and I couldn't find good info from the ubuntu wiki or askubuntu [07:30] thanks for the clarification alkisg [07:30] np [07:30] I didn't even know projects like ubuntu-mate existed [07:30] i heard of like, kubuntu and lubuntu and such though [07:33] Each desktop environment has an ubuntu flavor for it [07:33] i see [07:34] is that related to Unity being tightly integrated into ubuntu? [07:34] whenever people talk about ubuntu unity always gets brought up i've found [07:36] Unity is no longer developed [07:52] ah ok. [07:52] i can't fathom why different desktop environments would need different releases [07:53] johnjay: you get a live cd. Which desktop environment do you want there? [07:53] LXDE? Then get the lubuntu live cd [07:53] MATE? Then get the mate live cd etc [07:53] You can't put all of them there, it would require 10 GB [07:53] good point [07:54] blu rays aren't exact standard [07:54] And 4 GB usb sticks are common :) [07:55] well anyways ima boot up ubuntu mate [07:56] if it crashes on me or something i'll be back here right away [08:33] well i'm pleased to say ubuntu-mate got my usb speakers working ootb [08:34] nice [08:34] weechat is only 1.4 though [08:34] not sure how to upgrade individual packages unless through source [08:34] the weechat folks told me to add their repo but that sounded risky [09:01] nice mate terminal has framebuffer support built in [09:02] !ppa [09:02] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [09:03] so i can install ppa but not deb in ubuntu? [09:06] You can install ppa and deb, sure [09:07] PPAs are used to install *and update* .debs [09:07] While if you just install a .deb, you don't get updates [09:07] oh ok [09:08] sometimes one can also use backports === test is now known as Guest49894 [10:22] Hi! Is there on a later stage to encrypt the hole system, or must a start from scratch? [10:24] if you want to encrypt the whole-system, it's best to do this from the start [10:27] For example, if I purchase a Orion inklusive a Mate installation, do you think I am able to instruct them to encrypt to hole system and is there a possibilty to change the password later, for example with disks? [10:40] Since I have to make the decision from the start, otherwise I have to purchase sole the machine and install Mate by myself! Since I will order to 2 disks may I run into problems, because I am new, but want change the system from Win to Ubuntu! [11:07] tricky. I don't know how easy it is the change the password, but it should be possible [11:07] I personally however would not trust a 3rd party to do the encrypted situation [11:08] ubuntu-mate installation is fairly easy, but have not looked at how easy it is with encryption,I guess not very difficult [11:53] hi [11:55] pppp [18:31] Hi [18:32] Wait, before you ask why my name is fileserver that is because that is what I am using this rpi for [18:34] lol ok... [18:34] speaking of the rpi [18:34] i don't see a temperature widget for the panel [18:34] is there an easy way to add the output of a sh command to show up in bright green on the panel? [18:34] I know how to get my temperature from the command line [18:56] Hello guys, can anyone help me to upgrade my OS version? [18:56] do-release-upgrade in terminal? [18:58] I'd just installed a ubuntu MATE 14.04, nothing done yet. Can i securely update with terminal? [18:58] I don't see why not, is this a PC? [18:59] rossi-mate: that would upgrade you to 14.10 [18:59] based on my limited understanding from alkisg trying to explain it to me [19:04] I'm using a Note. I saw that it will be upgraded to the next version. My question is, could update three times, to achieve the latest version? [19:07] well idk how true this is for the Note [19:07] but I'm on a pi and alkisg said if I upgraded the kernel might not even start [19:07] so idk how hardware supported your Note is [19:09] ok. Thanks guys. [21:46] i'm still having trouble getting the temperature on the panel [21:46] any ideas? [21:47] I have the bash command to fetch it if there's a way to display that on the taskbar [21:57] hi I've a little trouble regarding caja file manager and didn't find any useful fix to it yet. There was a device connected physically to my PC that left some entries among those under ther computer:/// location (in particular, an ipod classic being flashed with rockbox/umsboot altogether) so the question is: how to get rid of these .drive entries, after the actual device is unplugged? gnome-disks always crashes btw when [21:57] trying to eject or turn off those devices (they're listed there) [21:59] also, I think that it has to do with gvfs somehow.. however, no idea how to unmount devices out of this one [22:04] caja file manager. is that from arch? [22:05] johnjay: theres probably a way easier way than this, but you can use that bash cmd with a python indicator [22:05] deskwizard: ooh. how does that work [22:06] @johnjay: not at a computer but in sw boutique there is a app (psensor?) that provides an indicator which may help. plus I think there is a panel indicator you can add as part of MATE [22:06] i already tried psensor didn't seem to work [22:06] yeah but idk what it is [22:07] johnjay: the indicator is (quite rightly) called hardware sensor monitor. [22:07] lol ok [22:07] i don't know what the "right" name is for something like that [22:08] see, I told you there was way easier ways than what I mentionned lol [22:10] i have mate-sensors-applet-common. but there's no option to add a temp module to the panel [22:11] ah ok i added hardware-sensor-monitor to the panel [22:11] but it says no sensors found. lol [22:14] johnjay, so a missing lib somewhere [22:15] idk i googled and don't see any way to create my own mate applet [22:15] then create your own conky [22:15] i have the temp already i just need to display it [22:15] what's a conky? [22:15] lemme see if i have an image somewhere [22:16] is this that one that overlays on the desktop? [22:16] as opposed to appearing in the taskbar? [22:18] https://ptpb.pw/68rt.png [22:19] i dont recall what i was doing that day but theres a good img of my conky script [22:19] hmm ok so it is an overlay [22:19] i'd rather have a panel applet since that's what i have [22:19] but if there's no other way... [22:20] do you have lm-sensors installed? [22:21] yes 3.4.0-2 [22:24] uhm [22:25] https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-sensors-applet [22:25] theres the source of the applet [22:25] as you asked how to create your own [22:26] alright I have conky running and I'm editing the config file [22:26] ah ok thanks DarkPsydeL [22:27] would i need to recompile or just put my script somewhere? [22:27] in conky? [22:27] no for making my own mate applet [22:28] i'm asking would i need to recompile mate-desktop or something [22:28] na just the applet [22:28] recompile the whole DE will be nonsense [22:29] also i dont think theres any need to recompile the applet since you are modding only the behaviour and where the info is coming from [22:30] just a restart will made the trick [22:36] well it's linux so i'm used to that kind of thing [22:36] trying to build mpv now lol actually [22:45] alright i got conky working and showing my CPU temps [23:00] johnjay: as I said, you can make a mate applet with python, theres tutorials and all, I'd help more but that's all I managed to do :P === vok`_ is now known as vok`