[00:15] im testing ubuntu 17.10 daily iso right now and ubuntu has 3 virtual keybord why? (caribou, fcitx, onboard) [00:31] fcitx is provided for Asian languages and it is only installed by default for 5 languages [00:32] the Ubuntu Desktop team hasn't discussed onboard and caribou yet for 17.10 [00:40] jbicha: thank you for information good night === JanC is now known as Guest15321 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [01:37] dmj_s76: yep... [01:37] dmj_s76: my idea is also to reuse what you did for computing the scaling levels to mutter [01:39] dmj_s76: so, let me know if you need something else... Unfortunately our timezone doesn't match much with yours [01:44] On that note... good morning Trevinho [02:25] Trevinho: Ah, good to know! Are you planning to at least keep integer scaling the default behavior? [02:25] dmj_s76: if it's possible.... Otherwise we chose the point scaling [02:26] dmj_s76: feel free to talk in #gnome-shell so also Jonas is there === thumper is now known as thumper-afk [06:01] morning [06:02] good morning desktoppers [06:02] morning oSoMoN [06:03] Hi oSoMoN [06:11] hey Trevinho, duflu! [07:05] good morning [07:19] Morning didrocks, seb128 [07:20] hey duflu [07:24] good morning desktopers [07:24] hey duflu [07:24] re didrocks [07:26] re seb128 [07:44] salut seb128, didrocks [07:44] salut oSoMoN [07:46] seb128, bug #1696300 [07:46] bug 1696300 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Update to 5.3.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696300 [07:51] morning all. Just running a quick errand, bbl [07:51] hey willcooke [07:53] hey willcooke [08:01] moin [08:01] morning Laney [08:07] hey didrocks [08:07] you good? [08:08] I'm great! Still no full nights those days, so hard, but getting better [08:08] yourself? Not too many pints due to you winning the pub quizz? :) [08:09] saved them for next week! [08:10] we win about 1 time per year [08:10] our time was overdue :-) [08:11] oh great, the coupon can be reused next time! [08:11] heh, indeed :) [08:11] just curious, how many people are participating, regularly? [08:12] umm [08:12] hey oSoMoN willcooke Laney [08:12] it's probably about 10-15 teams but varies quite a lot [08:13] oSoMoN, thanks, I look to that in a bit [08:13] hey seb128 [08:13] how's it going? [08:13] waow, quite a bunch [08:14] let me try to remember some questions... [08:14] #ubuntu-desktop pub quiz [08:14] ok, what animal has (nearly) 25,000 teeth? [08:15] Laney: Michael Fasbender? [08:15] apart from AC Milan, which team plays at the San Siro stadium? [08:17] duflu: ENOENT [08:17] waow, I would be so bad at that :) [08:17] we got both of those wrong :P [08:19] I don't suppose whales count? [08:24] Sure, but that's not it(!) [08:24] We guessed a whale too [08:26] It's probably the Sarlac [08:26] morning [08:26] hi [08:27] Morning willcooke [08:27] Night robert_ancell? [08:27] that’s an awful lot of teeth [08:27] duflu, it is [08:27] Hey I got a question right [08:28] hi willcooke & robert_ancell [08:29] 10 points to griffin-er-van-vugt [08:47] night robert_ancell [09:40] I just installed an artful VM from the daily iso (French and non default keyboard layout), and can’t login, password incorrect. The kb layout indicator is empty, and when I use the OSK the correct layout is shown by default, but after clicking one key it changes to qwerty (and even then, entering the password with the OSK fails to log me in) [09:40] is that a known issue? [09:40] jibel, ^ [09:41] oSoMoN, can you log from a vt? [09:42] let me see, how do I switch to a vt in virtualbox [09:43] Host+F1, got it [09:43] seb128, yes, logging in from a vt works [09:44] (and the keyboard layout is correct) [09:44] can you type your password on lightdm like if it was a qwerty keyboard? [09:44] already tried that, no luck [09:47] after running apt dist-upgrade in the vt and rebooting, logging in works [09:48] weird [09:48] o/ seb128 === thumper-afk is now known as thumper [09:49] there was a lightdm update, wild guess is that this fixed it somehow [09:51] do you have unity installed? [09:51] that updated fixed a case where it was trying to log into a non existing session and failing [09:51] hey thumper, how are you? [09:52] I wouldn't have expected you to be told your password was incorrect if you were hitting that kind of problem [09:52] seb128: good, busy [09:52] fun real customer issues [09:53] seb128: I'm happy you are still around [09:53] seb128: didrocks too? [09:54] Laney, now that I think about it, before I fiddled with the OSK and keyboard layout, the message might have been something like "failed to log in to session", or similar [09:55] Laney, I didn’t have unity installed though, it was a clean VM created from scratch today with yesterday’s iso [09:55] could be this thing then [09:55] should be fixed with today's image [09:56] ok, so incident closed, thanks! [09:57] thumper: yeah, happy that you are around as well :) [09:58] o/ [10:01] thumper, yes, didrocks too [10:05] And hello thumper too [10:05] o/ duflu [10:06] and goodbye [10:12] Laney, against which component do I fill gnome-shell bugs during installation? gnome-shell or ubiquity? [10:13] nvm [10:13] when I open a downloaded tarball from chromium, nautilus apparently unpacks it in a temporary directory and mounts that dir, but no nautilus window is being open, so it looks like nothing is happening (the former behaviour was to open the tarball in file-roller) [10:15] oSoMoN, looks like a bug worth reporting [10:17] ok, will do [10:19] looks like file-roller is still the default handler, will file against it === ogra_ is now known as ogra [10:19] jibel: Probably gnome-shell - it depends but things can be reassigned easily if necessary [10:19] oh, you said nvm :-) [10:19] * Laney minds A LOT [10:20] Laney, it's the customization of system-settings during installation, I reported it against ubiquity and will reassign as needed [10:21] * Laney got £3.30 × 2 from Delay Repay on the train [10:30] bug #1696388 [10:30] bug 1696388 in file-roller (Ubuntu) "xdg-open filename.tar.xz mounts tarball in nautilus but doesn't open a nautilus window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696388 [10:34] Fractional! [10:35] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BMFvsVya/ [10:40] oSoMoN, thanks [10:40] Trevinho, hey! how is it going? [10:40] seb128: good! [10:41] seb128: we're trying to start taclking most of things, while the list of TODO is pretty big and increasing, but at least we're moving [10:41] check the journal :) [10:41] not sure it’s a file-roller bug after all, looks like xdg-open executes run-mailcap which then decides to run /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-archive [10:41] Trevinho, nice :-) [10:42] oSoMoN, why is xdg-open being used there? is that a chromium thing? [10:42] seb128, yes [10:42] chromium has no logic to handle downloaded files, it just delegates to xdg-open [10:50] xdg-open should call gvfs-open under GNOME no? [10:59] I guess that’s what it used to do, as gvfs-open just opens the tarball in file-roller, no fancy mounting involved [11:01] xdg-open hasn’t changed recently though [11:06] seb128: I've just read the email from robert about lightdm... So are we working to get the guest session in gdm? [11:12] mpt_: ping? [11:23] Trevinho, yes, interested in stepping up for that one? ;-) [11:23] oSoMoN, GNOME changed to deprecate file-roller in favor of nautilus archives handling [11:24] andyrock, hey, try putting some context with the ping maybe, it can help to have a reply [11:25] mpt_: I've a question about the livepatch panel and the ubuntu one sso. Right now thiss is what we have: https://youtu.be/FRDXKJV0bOE. But what if I want to change user? [11:27] andyrock, well, i guess thats something you want generally solved for snap packages, not only for the livepatch one [11:27] ogra: not really, here we're not using u1 to install the snap [11:27] we're using u1 to get the livepatch token [11:28] now or we ask the user everytime to enter the u1 credentials every time he/she enables the service [11:28] or we add a forget button [11:28] well, same thing in the end given livepatch is only available as snap package [11:28] seb128, ack, so we need to make sure that a nautilus window is opened and raised when requesting to open an archive, but I’m not sure yet which component should be responsible for that [11:29] you will need U1 for both in the end [11:29] ogra: mmm we don't right now. I guess because we're running as root [11:29] ah [11:30] oSoMoN, does calling "nautilus archive.tar.gz" open a view? if not that's a nautilus bug, if it does we need to check what command is being called by xdg-open [11:30] oSoMoN, does it work better from firefox or double clicking on the file in nautilus? [11:30] seb128: mh... sorry, i missed your request.... But... mhmh, not for now... There's enough work to do in this field for now [11:30] Trevinho, no worry [11:31] andyrock, Trevinho, btw is one of you looking at the unity build issue on artful that was mentioned yesterday? [11:31] seb128: I didn't... I just read a bit, but I was heading to bed :) [11:31] ogra: the other way is asking for a macaroon right? [11:31] seb128: I'm quite busy this week though... I'd prefer to focus on this stuff [11:31] if possible [11:31] I can land tho [11:31] seb128: is there already a bug? [11:32] andyrock, yeah, ask pedronis in #snappy about that [11:32] ogra: for the moment I'll stick without it. The software-properties panel already run as root (at least the dbus backend). [11:32] (but iirc the macaroon will need to be tied to a U1 account so you are back at asking for credentials) [11:33] andyrock, bug #1696253 [11:33] bug 1696253 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity FTBFS in artful, test failures" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696253 [11:33] Trevinho, right, focus on the hackfest, andyrock said he would have a look today so let's stuck to that [11:33] seb128: this will take some time [11:34] ah TestGetOneFileThumbnail [11:37] andyrock, why some time, because you think the problem is difficult to debug? or require lot of changes? [11:37] andyrock, it's fine to workaround, change flags if you think it's easier [11:37] because I need to setup the dev enviroment for artful [11:37] :D [11:37] that test has not been realiable for a while [11:38] Trevinho tried to make it more reliable here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/4229 [11:39] we can probably skip it as a temporary hack to unblock things [11:39] seb128: Trevinho I do see in the logs a lot of [11:39] WARNING **: Couldn't save the thumbnail '/home/buildd/.local/share/previews/3979186869093462243.png' for file 'file:///<>/unity-7.5.0+17.10.20170425.1/resources/dash_bottom_right_corner.png': Failed to open '/home/buildd/.local/share/previews/3979186869093462243.png' for writing: No such file or directory [11:39] Trevinho: is this something new? [11:41] oSoMoN, libreoffice update looks good, I have one nitpick but I don't think it's worth rebuilding the source package (unless it's trivial for you to do, unsure how long it takes with libreoffice since the source is big), it's nice when you have a sponsoring bug to list it in the changelog as (lp: #nnn) so it get autoclosed by the upload with the changelog reference in the bug [11:42] seb128: let me try to setup the all thing and if by the end of the day I cannot fix, I'll disable the test [11:43] andyrock, thanks, don't spend too much time on it though, if the env set up is happening in bg it's good, otherwise maybe focus on the livepatch work for now and we can talk about unity again in a few days [11:43] oki [11:45] k, I'm relocating for lunch, be back online in a bit [12:13] seb128, sure I’ll rebuild the source packages with a reference to the sponsoring bug, will do that in a bit (gotta go pick up my daughter from school) [12:15] seb128, firefox opens the downloaded tarball in file-roller (like chromium used to do). invoking `nautilus file.tar.xz` does open a nautilus window, that works as expected. And double-cliking on the file in nautilus just extracts it in the same directory, no opening file-roller or mounting [12:15] oSoMoN, don't bother with rebuilding libreoffice, it's not worth spending time redoing it in fact, let's not forget next time [12:16] oSoMoN, thanks for the details about nautilus/archives, i'm going to mention it to upstream [12:16] seb128, ok [12:32] chrisccoulson, hey, chromium-browser 59.0.3071.86 is almost done building in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages , and I’ve already done some smoke testing on all supported releases (and ran the new autopkgtests on artful), so it’ll shortly be ready for publication and security updates === dupondje_ is now known as dupondje [13:07] oSoMoN, libreoffice(-l10n) uploaded, good work! [13:18] Good work! [13:23] sponsored the pulseaudio fixes for bluetooth devices SRU to xenial for duflu as well, hut he's not around [13:25] new bluez for artful as well [13:25] that was my sponsoring round of the day :-) [13:25] ha. jibel ^ [13:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1696419 [13:25] Ubuntu bug 1696419 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Failed to start session at login" [Undecided,New] [13:25] just filed that [13:25] It might be old news [13:26] Beret, click on the little Ubuntu logo, and you should see Gnome and Gnome on Wayland (or something like that) listed - just choose the top one. [13:26] Beret, then the Ubuntu logo will turn in to the GNOME logo, and you should be able to log in [13:26] willcooke, so the problem is nothing is chosen by default? [13:27] because I also tried the GNOME on Wayland [13:27] and that didn't work either [13:27] oh [13:27] willcooke, the top one worked [13:27] willcooke, k [13:27] ah, right [13:27] so the problem was indeed an available session wasn't selected [13:27] Beret, oki, in which case, known issue I think [13:27] but thanks [13:27] ok [13:27] but fyi, gnome on wayland didn't work [13:28] Beret, what error? what video card/driver do you use? [13:28] this is a thinkpad t420 with intel graphics [13:29] (I've used GNOME on Wayland on it in the past) [13:29] I think this is just the lightdm issue seb128 [13:29] this cannot be an easy transition [13:30] Beret, I think it's worth doing an apt update && apt upgrade. I think that will get the wayland session working again [13:31] ok [13:31] so we're going to handle the switch to wayland independently of the shell switch [13:31] ? [13:32] kinda, we wanted it to all happen at the same time. We /were/ going to use LightDM, but we changed our minds this morning for a few reasons. That should make switching to Wayland easier. [13:32] ok [13:32] man [13:32] how in the heck do you log out of gnome shell [13:32] willcooke, I think you are right, I was asking in case because wayland doesn't work nvidia and lightdm doesn't filter the wayland session out the way gdm does [13:32] So the transition should be all done by next week [13:32] wth [13:33] I must be an idiot [13:33] Beret, click the lock [13:33] I did that [13:33] it locked the screen [13:33] seb128, gotya [13:34] Beret, ohhhh, yes.. thats just the lock screen [13:34] yeah this is nearly comical [13:34] I have no idea how to log out :) [13:34] top right [13:34] click username [13:34] I have no username in the top right [13:35] seb128, thanks! [13:35] ctrl-alt-del? [13:36] Click at the top right, then click the Real Name that is associated with your user, then click Log Out. [13:36] ogra, that worked [13:36] thanks [13:36] Laney, there's no real name listed there [13:36] Screenshot? [13:36] sure, sec [13:37] willcooke, btw, after a dist-upgrade, wayland was fine [13:37] Beret, ack, thx [13:37] Laney, http://imgur.com/a/yCV2b [13:37] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/out.png [13:38] Laney, odd - that's missing from here - fresh install as of 2 hrs ago [13:38] that hidding of logout is confusing quite some users [13:38] Laney, https://www.dropbox.com/s/ltv62wmfob1pjpi/Screenshot%20from%202017-06-07%2008-37-13.png?dl=0 [13:38] I wonder if that's one of the things we should tweak [13:39] yeah, I don't have what laney has [13:39] seb128, +1 [13:39] Beret, same here [13:39] and this is a fresh install from today's daily [13:39] kenvandine, might have another extension to include - "Log Out Button" [13:40] lol [13:40] Beret: are you still in the live environment or is that after install? [13:40] install ALL the extensions! [13:40] shouldn't be this hard :) [13:40] jbicha, after install [13:40] kenvandine, hah [13:41] Laney is a true stock upstream experience believer :-) [13:41] we should perhaps try to convince them that it's confusing the users [13:41] or do you actual have a strong preference to have that option to user visible? [13:42] seb128: one Design issue is that there are actually already 4 icons in the bottom of the system status menu, there isn't comfortably room for a 4th [13:42] jbicha, doesn't need to be an icon, it's not one in L_aney's screenshot [13:42] jbicha, I only have three [13:42] we could not-collapse that item by default [13:43] the 4th is a lock screen icon for convertible tablets [13:43] ah [13:43] *lock icon for screen rotation [13:43] seb128, thx for the review, i'll upload it [13:43] kenvandine, yw [13:43] there is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697065 [13:43] Gnome bug 697065 in general "only hide logout item when autologin is enabled" [Normal,New] [13:44] lets work out why its not appear on the new installs first, and then we can decide later [13:44] there is a setting to display that action I think so might be a simple gsettings tweak if we want to do that [13:44] no extension [13:45] Beret: do you have autologin enabled? ^ [13:45] jbicha, no [13:46] if it's a setting, we should override that [13:46] Beret: ok, I can duplicate the missing Log Out here, my guess is that it is just fallout from trying to make gdm3 optional [13:47] jbicha, Beret, buzgilla suggests it might get hidden if you only have one user account on the machine [13:47] they maybe consider you don't have a case to want to go back to the greeter in that case [13:48] yeah, but you might want to logout to switch sessions [13:48] probably a corner case for the average user [13:48] Beret: install gir1.2-gdm-1.0 and log out (haha) and try again [13:48] seb128, yeah, that did it. I added another user, and now I see what Laney had [13:49] Beret, ^ [13:49] jbicha, ^ === cpaelzer_ is now known as cpaelzer [13:49] gsettings set org.gnome.shell always-show-log-out true [13:50] seb128: I'm pretty sure that Log Out was working fine before :) [13:51] Laney, yes, that's what I was saying, though bug #763268 [13:51] Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #763268 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/763268). The error has been logged [13:52] gnome bug #763268 [13:52] Gnome bug 763268 in general "gnome-shell ignores /org/gnome/shell/always-show-log-out being set to false" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763268 [13:54] right [13:54] but the number of sessions code asks gdm [13:59] here's the 4th button https://bicha.net/i/gnome-shell-system-status-menu.png [13:59] jbicha, as said we could display the item under the username by default, no need of a button [14:00] thanks jbicha, I see [14:00] ok, someone should still talk to GNOME Design first to see if they might change too :) [14:00] jbicha, also we could decide that it's useful on desktop which usually don't have rotation lock [14:00] so typically you would get one of the other [14:00] 2 in 1s might need that rotation lock? [14:01] but yeah, talking to upstream is always a good idea [14:01] my computer is a regular fairly recent touch-enabled laptop [14:01] there's a lot of them [14:01] the xps13 is touch enabled but doesn't have screen rotation [14:01] touch != convertible [14:01] now, on this computer auto-screen-rotation isn't working in Linux, but when it does work some people find the feature to be very annoying [14:02] why are we having that discussion? [14:02] I don't think anyone is arguing against rotation lock [14:02] anyway there is an exsiting upstream gsettings key so they somewhat agree it's a choice some users might want to make [14:03] no reason to act like it's not [14:03] what choice? [14:03] showing a logout item [14:03] I think that's a bug but I haven't heard back from Beret yet [14:04] I worry when I give someone help on IRC and then there's no response for several minutes, I worry that I gave them Bad Advice! ;) [14:05] We know the cause now, only having a single user. I think the question going forwards is: should we show it all the time, if so should we expand that item so "logout" is visible, or should we have a button to do it. [14:06] currently, artful has at least 2 session (GNOME with or without Wayland) so that gsettings key isn't really the issue right now [14:06] Maybe a button is not possible or feasible [14:06] I duplicated Beret's issue, installed gir1.2-gdm-1.0 and could no longer duplicate it [14:06] no - it's having a single user [14:06] It's having a single user and a single session [14:06] :) [14:06] willcooke: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/763268 [14:07] Gnome bug 763268 in general "gnome-shell ignores /org/gnome/shell/always-show-log-out being set to false" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] [14:07] Except the code to determine the latter is in gdm [14:07] did the switch to gdm mean we gave up (for now) on the guest session? (that would mean there is always a use case for logging out) [14:09] Wait, comment 1 on that bug says... >1 user OR > 1 session. Well, I had two sessions and 1 user, and it didnt show. [14:09] We're saying that the check doesn't work because it requires gdm [14:09] gQuigs, no, well until we add it back [14:09] but it's planned to be added back (this cycle if possible) [14:09] Laney, I see (at last) - thanks [14:09] cool [14:10] So fix that and see if it's good enough..? [14:10] Laney, +1 [14:11] or if you want (if it's too bad now), override the key in ubuntu-settings [14:11] I /think/ expanding the user name is probably enough - but let's see. [14:11] we should really wait a bit for things to land and settle down to review issues [14:11] yeah [14:12] we tend to jump on issues when someone raises them on irc [14:12] Laney: do you want to go ahead and change that key since gdm is not in main yet and we were talking yesterday about maybe only having 1 session anyway? [14:12] no need to go and change keys now for bugs [14:12] it's still early in unstable cycles [14:13] users can deal with small issues like that [14:13] jbicha: If we do only have one then maybe upstream's argument is right for us too [14:14] ok, but maybe we should still change that setting as a workaround until we switch to gdm [14:15] chrisccoulson, all built in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages now [14:16] seb12_8 just -1ed that [14:16] * Laney isn't minded to disagree [14:16] but if you are, you two work it out :-) [14:16] I should probably have some lunch ... [14:16] (& house of cards) [14:16] back soon! [14:17] enjoy Laney [14:17] jbicha, if you want to do it feel free [14:17] seb128: I'd like to change that logout setting for now to not break Artful users who want to switch users or sessions :) [14:17] I just can't be bothered to do/undo work for temp situations [14:18] Laney: can you push your ubuntu-settings work to bzr? [14:20] alan_g, i've re-enabled the mir backend in gtk, but stripped out the pasteboard stuff to avoid the content-hub depends [14:21] be back in a bit, moving place [14:25] kenvandine: thanks. Saviq ^ [14:25] kenvandine ack, thanks [14:25] np [14:25] oSoMoN, thanks [15:09] jbicha: regading the test failure [15:09] can you try with this https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/thumbnailer-mkdir-parents-dirs/+merge/325247 [15:10] this should remove the warning [15:10] but I'm not sure that this cause the failure [15:10] this is not the first time we get failures with that particular test [15:13] andyrock: did you want to try a bileto build for it? [15:13] yup [15:13] andyrock, you figured out the build issue? [15:13] I cannot do that [15:13] seb128: there is this weird warning [15:14] maybe that's the problem, otherwise we'll just disable the test [15:14] thanks! [15:14] andyrock, k [15:14] it can be that before we had another deb creating that path [15:14] before unity tests were run [15:15] maybe not anymore, or who knows [15:15] :) [15:34] Will GDM for 17.10 be themed by Ubuntu? [15:39] jbicha: done, I forgot that wasn't merged by bileto [15:40] jackpot51: I don't think so, GDM isn't easily themable [15:41] jackpot51, do you think there is a need for that? [15:56] It would be nice if GDM3 would load shell themes, GTK themes, fonts, and icon themes. Are any of those possible? [16:00] I personally don't know but we should try to figure that out [16:00] jackpot51: have you tried setting gtk and icon themes and fonts for the gdm user? [16:08] Icon themes appear to change, but the fonts are part of the gnome shell theme [16:09] ah, right [16:10] we still haven't figured out how we're going to implement shell theming [16:10] I think user themes would have to be loaded in GDM [16:10] GNOME Shell maintainer fmuellner doesn't like the user-themes extension [16:13] jbicha: Hey there [16:13]