[00:01] <biotim> oterrivel: XML copy editor is decent, can be found in the repos   http://xml-copy-editor.sourceforge.net/
[00:11] <jamc> Hola hay alguien ahi?
[00:12] <jamc> Hi, is there anybody there?
[00:27] <jamc> Hola, me puedes ayudar?
[00:51] <johnjay> hola como esta usteded
[08:32] <z12221z> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz (2.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 948.8 MiB Total (485.7 MiB Free) Swap: 925.0 MiB Total (917.1 MiB Free) • Storage: 6.7 GB / 22.2 GB (15.5 GB Free) • VGA: VMware SVGA II Adapter @ Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge • Uptime: 7m 39s
[08:32] <z12221z> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz (2.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 948.8 MiB Total (485.7 MiB Free) Swap: 925.0 MiB Total (917.1 MiB Free) • Storage: 6.7 GB / 22.2 GB (15.5 GB Free) • VGA: VMware SVGA II Adapter @ Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge • Uptime: 7m 44s
[08:33] <alkisg> Very interesting... ah, no, it isn't. :)
[16:51] <sergiodriss> hol
[17:13] <johnjay> pluma... lol ubuntu mate was originally from argentina right?
[17:38] <KTrad> I think the original developer was
[17:39] <johnjay> wikipedia said something like that. maybe i misinterpreted
[17:39] <johnjay> it made it sound like ubuntu-mate is mainly a spanish language project
[17:42] <KTrad> Run by people that mostly speak english now I believe
[17:46] <johnjay> eh damn cultural appropriators
[17:46] <johnjay> you start a small thing on github and soon enough it's taken over by a crowd
[17:46] <KTrad> lol
[18:24] <TomD62> Hello all.
[18:25] <TomD62> I've just installed amd-gpu on my old laptop and after rebooting Ive found that I cannot use my touchpad or keyboard
[18:25] <TomD62> Can anyone help me?
[18:25] <Akuli> do you have the usb stick that you installed ubuntu mate from?
[18:25] <Akuli> or any linux usb stick
[18:26] <TomD62> I don't but I could possibly grab a new one.
[18:26] <Akuli> ok, do that and boot from it
[18:26] <TomD62> What would be my next steps from there?
[18:26] <Akuli> we'll boot from the stick and chroot to your system
[18:27] <Akuli> so we'll be running the kernel and gui and everything from the stick, but / will be your hard drive
[18:27] <Akuli> then we can just apt remove amd-gpu or whatever
[18:30] <Akuli> hmm maybe we don't even need a chroot
[18:31] <Akuli> might be easier with a chroot, and we can be sure that it works
[18:33] <TomD62> Hey sorry, my phone locked. Just setting up the Ubuntu Mate usb in a bit. Cheers for this
[18:34] <Akuli> ok :)
[18:34] <Akuli> some instructions http://termbin.com/4u11
[18:37] <TomD62> Cheers!
[18:38] <TomD62> Once I've removed amd-gpu will I have to reinstall Radeon?
[18:42] <Akuli> TomD62, i don't know, maybe someone else knows
[18:42] <Akuli> if it doesn't work you can always come back and chroot again
[18:43] <Akuli> you need to get internet working in the chroot if you install stuff though... well others know how to help with that
[18:47] <TomD62> Thanks.
[18:59] <TomD62> My god. This downloaded is estimated to be an hour and I believe it. How could I be so stupid. The laptop wont even use a usb keyboard either
[19:00] <Akuli> maybe we don't need that
[19:01] <TomD62> I'm downloading the 64bit LTS, is that alright?
[19:01] <Akuli> doesn't matter, any linux iso will do
[19:02] <Akuli> hmm
[19:02] <Akuli> i'm sure we can find something more minimal too
[19:02] <Akuli> do you have another computer or something to connect here while you're doing something to the computer?
[19:02] <TomD62> I've got this windows10 laptop that I'm borrowing for a moment
[19:03] <Akuli> ok, are you connected here with that now?
[19:03] <TomD62> No but I can switch to that now that you mention it. More convenient than my phone
[19:04] <TomD62> Brb
[19:04] <TomD626> Ta-Da
[19:05] <KTrad> why not try like tiny core?
[19:05] <Akuli> great :D
[19:05] <Akuli> KTrad, i'm thinking of the init=/bin/bash hack
[19:05] <Akuli> TomD626, reboot the linux laptop and hold down left shift while it boots
[19:05] <KTrad> oh ok
[19:05] <Akuli> KTrad, maybe it won't work, we
[19:05] <Akuli> KTrad, maybe it won't work, we'll see
[19:06] <KTrad> I just figured if you needed a super light live distro tiny core is only several megabytes and will do what you need
[19:06] <TomD626> oohoho Ir for me to the grub boot menu
[19:06] <Akuli> great
[19:06] <Akuli> now highlight the ubuntu but don't press enter
[19:06] <Akuli> press e like edit
[19:06] <TomD626> done
[19:06] <Akuli> go down with arrow keys, one of the lines starts with linux
[19:07] <TomD626> yup
[19:07] <Akuli> go to its end, if it ends with \ go to end of next line
[19:07] <Akuli> add a space, then init=/bin/bash
[19:08] <Akuli> there are a couple different ways to continue from here, i think ctrl+x is one way
[19:08] <TomD626> hmm it looks like      e-86\
[19:08] <Akuli> yes
[19:08] <Akuli> go to end of next line
[19:08] <TomD626> but then it continues on another line with abi-03f0f.........
[19:08] <Akuli> oh
[19:08] <Akuli> just go to the end of the first line
[19:08] <Akuli> it'll jump to the next line
[19:08] <Akuli> the \ means that the line is too long to fit on the screen, so it's in two pieces
[19:09] <TomD626> right
[19:09] <Akuli> do you have init=/bin/bash at the end now?
[19:09] <TomD626> yup
[19:10] <Akuli> i think you need to press ctrl+x
[19:10] <TomD626> yeah done
[19:10] <Akuli> it should boot into a really minimal terminal
[19:10] <TomD626> alright I'm in
[19:10] <TomD626> class
[19:10] <Akuli> type in something like echo hello
[19:10] <Akuli> does it work?
[19:11] <TomD626> yeah, this is brilliant
[19:11] <Akuli> great
[19:11] <Akuli> from now on, "$ something" means "type something and press enter"
[19:11] <TomD626> okidoki
[19:11] <Akuli> $ mount -o remount /
[19:11] <Akuli> you shouldn't get any errors
[19:11] <TomD626> yup, done
[19:11] <Akuli> $ apt remove amd-gpu
[19:12] <Akuli> i'm amazed if this actually works
[19:12] <TomD626> unable to locate package am-gpu
[19:12] <TomD626> amd*
[19:12] <Akuli> hmm
[19:12] <Akuli> how did you install it?
[19:12] <KTrad> might not be the name of the package
[19:12] <KTrad> can you type amd  and just tab to complete?
[19:12] <TomD626> hmmm indeed. I'll try and check my search history on my phone
[19:13] <Akuli> i think tab completion should work here
[19:13] <TomD626> yeah tab completion worke
[19:13] <Akuli> there's an apt log too
[19:13] <Akuli> if you want to read it, $ less /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:13] <Akuli> you can press q to get out of that
[19:14] <TomD626> oh god. Yeah that's an extensive log
[19:14] <Akuli> the newest things are at the bottom
[19:14] <Akuli> if your laptop has an end key, press that to jump to bottom
[19:15] <TomD626> here we go. I installed xserver-xorg-core
[19:15] <TomD626> and it removed a load of stuff
[19:15] <TomD626> because I'm a moron.
[19:15] <Akuli> oh well
[19:15] <Akuli> i wonder if we could set up an internet connection from here
[19:15] <TomD626> Sorry I told the laptop to reboot while I went to grab food, so I got my wires crossed there.
[19:15] <Akuli> probably not on systemd, would be really straight-forward with sysvinit
[19:16] <KTrad> yea not sure how to do that from systemd
[19:16] <TomD626> well ping isn't working at least.
[19:16]  * KTrad googles
[19:16] <Akuli> if it's possible it's probably not documented
[19:16] <KTrad> hold on
[19:16] <Akuli> on sysvinit i would just run "/etc/init.d/networking start"
[19:17] <TomD626> worked
[19:17] <Akuli> the networking start?
[19:17] <Akuli> if it did
[19:17] <Akuli> then thats weird
[19:17] <TomD626> it outputted * Configurig network interfaces
[19:17] <Akuli> hmm
[19:17] <Akuli> maybe it did work then
[19:17] <Akuli> $ ping www.google.com
[19:17] <TomD626> ah, uknown host still
[19:18] <Akuli> is your internet wifi or a cable?
[19:18] <Akuli> or mobile broadband?
[19:18] <TomD626> I could move to the router for Ethernet
[19:18] <TomD626> I'm guessing wifi might not be working at the moment?
[19:19] <Akuli> yes
[19:19] <Akuli> i have no idea how to get wifi to work
[19:19] <Akuli> but ethernet may work
[19:19] <Akuli> you can also try $ /etc/init.d/networking restart
[19:21] <TomD626> move to ethernet
[19:21] <TomD626> Waiting on orders
[19:23] <TomD626> still unknown host for google sadly
[19:23] <KTrad> from what I read
[19:23] <KTrad> one sec let me find the page again
[19:24] <TomD626> No worries
[19:24] <Akuli> KTrad, i need to go now, try to figure out something :)
[19:24] <TomD626> Thanks for the help Akuli!
[19:24] <Akuli> i think we need internet for downloading whatever was removed
[19:25] <TomD626> yeah i'm connected via Ethernet so hopefully we can get something downloaded
[19:25] <Akuli> KTrad, if the internet will work, you can easily get TomD626's log:   nc termbin.com 9999 < /var/whateveridontremember
[19:25] <KTrad> you need to copy /etc/resolve.conf to /mnt/etc/resolve.conf for it to use DNS
[19:25] <Akuli> KTrad, this is the init=bash hack
[19:25] <Akuli> not chroot
[19:25] <KTrad> oh yea
[19:25] <Akuli> anyway you know what you're doing
[19:25] <KTrad> forgot about that lol
[19:26] <KTrad> I'll try
[19:26] <Akuli> there are other advanced people too :) i'll be back tomorrow
[19:28] <KTrad> TomD626: try running telinit 2
[19:28] <KTrad> that should take you to multi-user with networking mode
[19:30] <TomD626> Hey, it says Couldn't find alternative telinit implemtation to spawn
[19:32] <KTrad> oh cause systemd
[19:32] <KTrad> systemctl isolate multi-user.target
[19:33] <KTrad> that should take you to what was runlevel 2
[19:33] <TomD626> Sadly - "Failed to connect to bus: no such file or directory
[19:34] <KTrad> grr
[19:35] <TomD626> Yeah sorry about this. Catastrophe.
[19:36] <KTrad> try it with sudo
[19:36] <TomD626> same sadly
[19:37] <KTrad> I really hate systemd
[19:37] <TomD626> Haha, yeah it feels like I'm prolonging the inevitable
[19:37] <deskwizard> yeah just get your files and wipe the thing already :P
[19:38] <TomD626> So how would I go about doing that?
[19:38] <KTrad> one more idea
[19:38] <KTrad> cd /etc/systemd/system
[19:38] <TomD626> All I really need to do is grab a novel Ive been writing, and then I'm ready to start afresh
[19:38] <deskwizard> live cd/usb + something to shove it on
[19:38] <KTrad> if that is the case just use a USB to cp it
[19:39] <KTrad> will be a lot easier
[19:39] <deskwizard> or boot from live cd, email to yourself
[19:40] <TomD626> well, I could copy to my usb and then stick it on this laptop I'm on now
[19:40] <TomD626> so cd to it's location, then cp to the usb?
[19:40] <KTrad> yea probably have to manually mount it though
[19:41] <TomD626> qwll
[19:41] <TomD626> well*
[19:41] <KTrad> or the other option is to change the default target ubuntu boots to to multi-user reboot once at terminal uninstall what you did  and reinstall everything else then change the default target back and in theory that should work
[19:42] <TomD626> cd'ing to my home folder I've found my user folder - but inside it is "Acces Your Private Data" which is not a directory, and README
[19:42] <TomD626> I'm told that it's been unmounted to protect my data
[19:42] <KTrad> boot up a live disk
[19:42] <deskwizard> you'll need a mate boot disk anyway...
[19:43] <TomD626> Okidoki
[19:43] <KTrad> yup
[19:43] <TomD626> Alright lets do this.
[19:44] <deskwizard> once your booted there, the world is you canvas, as long as the world is that computer and the canvas is the GUI
[19:44] <deskwizard> s/you/your
[19:44] <TomD626> That's a world I want to live in.
[19:45] <KTrad> I want to live in a world that I have a job that doesn't require me to use photoshop. So I can finally nuke OSX on this powerbook and install Linux/BSD
[19:46] <johnjay> KTrad: you can dual boot.
[19:46] <deskwizard> ^
[19:46] <johnjay> or something
[19:46] <KTrad> I do have it dualbooted
[19:46] <deskwizard> something is even better ;)
[19:46] <KTrad> But I want to nuke the OSX partition for good
[19:46] <johnjay> isn't there a way to alt-tab between operating systems with like VT-x or something?
[19:46] <KTrad> On powerpc?
[19:47] <deskwizard> just for my own personal lolz, what photoshop version runs on that?
[19:47] <KTrad> Computer has a 1.5GHz PowerPC G4 and 2GB of ram. The 64mb video card is the real killer though
[19:48] <KTrad> CS1 - 4 will
[19:48] <deskwizard> Oh okay, didnt think it went that high, cool :)
[19:48] <KTrad> Technically CS4 doesn't support anything less than a G5
[19:48] <KTrad> but it works just fine
[19:48] <KTrad> I use CS2 though as it is the only copy I legally own
[19:48] <TomD626> Wow, how old is that?
[19:48] <KTrad> 2005 is when CS2 came out
[19:49] <KTrad> Opens up CS6 documents just fine though surprisingly enough
[19:49] <KTrad> If I could find a copy of CS3 though I'd be happier because then at least I could get off of OSX 10.4.11
[19:49] <KTrad> 10.5.8 is a nicer OS overall but CS2 will not run on it for some reason
[19:50]  * KTrad shrugs
[19:51] <johnjay> KTrad: i still have ptsd from the last time I tried using a mac
[19:51] <KTrad> why's that?
[19:51] <johnjay> Downloaded xcode, took hours. Then it wouldn't compile hello world.
[19:51] <KTrad> If it was post 10.7 I can understand
[19:51] <johnjay> Asked around on forums and tinkered with it for hours
[19:51] <KTrad> yea xcode is a joke
[19:52] <johnjay> Finally I figured out I had downloaded a version for the newer 10.11 or something
[19:52] <johnjay> and it wouldn't work on 10.10 unless i went into some random config menu and changed a release target
[19:52] <KTrad> Honestly my biggest issue with OSX (besides it being proprietary crap) is that they still haven't gotten multiple monitors right since they broke them in 10.7 and the maximise button takes you to a new desktop completely it is so stupid
[19:53] <KTrad> cya
[19:53] <KTrad> gotta go
[19:54] <TomD626> Thanks for the help KTrad
[19:54] <ubuntu-mate> he's not here!
[19:54] <TomD626> HE'S HERE IN SPIRIT
[19:55] <ubuntu-mate> yeah.. hovering above us
[19:55] <TomD626> So, once I've created this LTS live image, I should be able to boot into my laptop? Hopefully?
[19:56] <ubuntu-mate> how do you boot it burn it on CD?
[19:56] <TomD626> used rufus and popped it on a usb
[19:56] <ubuntu-mate> cool
[19:57] <ubuntu-mate> you know there's a boot program that can boot ISO files strait from the HD!
[19:58] <TomD626> Gorram it.
[19:58] <ubuntu-mate> what?
[19:58] <TomD626> Nevermind, Firefly reference.
[19:58] <TomD626> I've fired it up now. So hopefully touchpad and keyboard is working.
[19:58] <johnjay> i guess i have to watch Firefly again
[19:59] <johnjay> only show joss whedon made that was any good.
[19:59] <ubuntu-mate> and i don't know what is firefly but there are fireworks at 4th of july!
[20:00] <TomD626> Hmm, okay so I'm given the option to install Ubuntu mate or Try Ubuntu Mate
[20:00] <TomD626> Will I be able to access my files at all using this?
[20:00] <ubuntu-mate> you meen using the program that boots ISO fro HD?
[20:02] <ubuntu-mate> it seems that every one i talk to runs away...
[20:03] <johnjay> no we're here.
[20:03] <johnjay> watching. waiting for the moment to strike
[20:03] <johnjay> with some internet regulations! muahaha
[20:03] <ubuntu-mate> oh that's good
[20:04] <johnjay> it's funny i was in another channel arguing about what the official spec said
[20:04] <johnjay> but on ubuntu there isn't really any spec
[20:04] <johnjay> so... you can't ever really win an argument about something
[20:04] <TomD626666> So just to recap - I accidentally uninstalled a load of packages by installing x.org core package or something?
[20:04] <ubuntu-mate> say does anyone here understands in javascript?
[20:05] <TomD626666> Upon rebooting I had no use of Mouse or Keyboard
[20:05] <TomD626666> So now I've popped Ubuntu Mate on a USB and wish to know how I can fix the situation
[20:06] <johnjay> TomD626666: did you use dist-upgrade?
[20:07] <ubuntu-mate> well i'm going
[20:07] <TomD626666> Nah I used apt-get install and installed something like x.org.core or something.
[20:07] <johnjay> apt-get install shouldn't remove packages
[20:07] <johnjay> only dist-upgrade does
[20:08] <TomD626666> sorry, it removed files. Asked if I wanted to install and remove things in the process. Naively I said yes.
[20:08] <johnjay> i don't think apt-get does that
[20:08] <johnjay> unless i'm mistaken
[20:09] <johnjay> were you using apt-get or an xorg installer?
[20:09] <TomD626666> apt-get
[20:09] <TomD626666> I'll try and find the command, one momento
[20:11] <johnjay> ok i just checked. apt-get does indeed remove packages
[20:11] <johnjay> but only if you tell it to do so by appending a '-' to the package name
[20:12] <johnjay> that's using "install"
[20:12] <TomD626666> Hmm I must have done that
[20:12] <johnjay> if you use "upgrade" then it says under no circumstances will it do that
[20:14] <johnjay> i think there is a log file
[20:14] <johnjay> do you have a file in /var/log/apt?
[20:14] <johnjay> i'm assuming you're on ubuntu-mate?
[20:15] <TomD626666> Yeah I checked early, I'm currently tinkering but I'll try and grab it for you
[20:17] <johnjay> by the way I tried installing and then removing a package and that shows up in my log file
[20:17] <johnjay> so you could try cat /var/log/apt/history.log | grep Remove
[20:17] <johnjay> and see if you recognize anything
[20:21] <TomD626666> Trying to start up in recovery mode, hoping to grab some files and maybe just start from fresh
[20:21] <TomD626666> It's getting late and eyes hurt.
[20:22] <johnjay> what are you on, a pc or a raspberry pi?
[20:22] <johnjay> i'm on a pi and seems like a bunch of people are suddenly
[20:23] <TomD626666> I'm currently on a Windows10 laptop trying to fix an Ubuntu MATE laptop
[20:23] <TomD626666> Feels bad..
[20:26] <TomD626666> So it's hung on start up at "Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes" which after a quick google seems to be related to my initial problem
[20:26] <TomD626666> Pretty sure the thing I installed was something like install xserver-xorg-video-amd
[20:28] <TomD626666> or xserver-xorg-core
[20:33] <johnjay> ah ok
[20:33] <johnjay> well i got to go but i would check that history.log file
[20:33] <johnjay> see what you removed and try to install it
[20:35] <TomD626666> cheers
[20:36] <TomD626666> Weellll I'm admitting defeat
[20:36] <TomD626666> Thank you for all the help everyone
[22:54] <johnjay> does anybody know a good list of packages to install?
[22:54] <johnjay> the default of ubuntu and debian doesn't even come with emacs
[22:55] <johnjay> i'm thinking about making an install script that just auto installs stuff
[22:58] <vagner> oii
[22:58] <johnjay> i mean vim wasn't even installed. come on
[23:03] <johnjay> oh my god
[23:03] <johnjay> i think i'm a genius
[23:03] <johnjay> go to askubuntu.com. type in the search box "apt get install XYZ"
[23:03] <johnjay> and you will get the apt get command you need highlighted
[23:03] <johnjay> YES