| jbicha | robert_ancell: btw, gnome-maps also needs folks which has dropped out of main | 00:14 |
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| robert_ancell | jbicha, oh, when did that drop out? | 00:14 |
| jbicha | oh, it was in main for zesty so maybe Unity7 fallout | 00:14 |
| jbicha | correction, Unity8 fallout (address-book-service wanted it) | 00:17 |
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| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers! | 05:51 |
| duflu | Hi oSoMoN | 06:25 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu! | 06:25 |
| jamesh | hi oSoMoN, duflu | 06:26 |
| duflu | Afternoon jamesh. Did you get to SOTA? | 06:26 |
| oSoMoN | hey jamesh | 06:26 |
| jamesh | duflu: yep. Other than the cigarette and (small amount of) marijuana smoke, it was pretty good | 06:26 |
| jamesh | and it didn't rain this year | 06:26 |
| duflu | jamesh: Yeah though on the right hand side the portaloos smelled more than the smoke | 06:27 |
| jamesh | Last year it started raining really hard towards the end, and there was no all ages area covered by the tent | 06:28 |
| duflu | Fun | 06:29 |
| duflu | In hindsight though, if you're trying to regain your hearing after illness, live rock is a poor remedy | 06:29 |
| jamesh | In general, I think they ran it better this year | 06:31 |
| jamesh | The UK election result is really close | 06:33 |
| duflu | Not decided? | 06:34 |
| jamesh | looks like a hung parliament, probably with Tories governing as a minority | 06:35 |
| duflu | Well that didn't work | 06:35 |
| jamesh | The Scottish National Party has also suffered, but I don't know enough to know why | 06:36 |
| jamesh | I'm kind of glad it didn't go as the polls predicted | 06:37 |
| duflu | So... PM Johnson and President Trump. There won't be a slow news day for a while | 06:37 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:00 |
| Trevinho | morning people | 07:17 |
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| duflu | Trevinho, not morning :) | 07:26 |
| duflu | Trevinho: Are your travels coming to an end now? | 07:27 |
| Trevinho | duflu: well, no... but for them it's a good morning, hopefully :-) | 07:27 |
| flocculant | Trevinho: better morning than I'd anticipated ;) | 07:27 |
| Trevinho | flocculant: hehe, yeah... I could have beeen definitely worse :) | 07:28 |
| flocculant | yup :) | 07:28 |
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| koza | morning | 07:47 |
| duflu | Morning koza | 07:50 |
| andyrock | good morning! | 08:22 |
| andyrock | hey jbicha! any news about the unity test failure? | 08:35 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 09:03 |
| jbicha | andyrock: good morning, no, were you waiting on something from me? | 09:04 |
| duflu | Hi seb128 | 09:04 |
| andyrock | jbicha: to build the silo :) | 09:04 |
| andyrock | I'll ask Trevinho | 09:04 |
| seb128 | hey jbicha andyrock duflu, how are you? | 09:04 |
| seb128 | duflu, almost w.e for you! | 09:05 |
| Laney | HI! | 09:05 |
| seb128 | jbicha, thanks for starting those discussions on the list | 09:05 |
| duflu | seb128: Yeah getting close. So I decided to end the week fixing light-themes issues :) | 09:05 |
| seb128 | jbicha, looks like logical step now is to question if we want wayland to be default for the coming LTS or if it's too early for that | 09:05 |
| seb128 | duflu, nice! | 09:05 |
| duflu | seb128: Also that bluez issue is not a bluez bug. Still fixed.... | 09:05 |
| seb128 | I saw | 09:05 |
| seb128 | pitti commited your fix? | 09:05 |
| duflu | seb128: Yes committed but it will be a little while before the next upstream release | 09:06 |
| jbicha | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland | 09:06 |
| seb128 | duflu, we can backport it to artful | 09:06 |
| seb128 | jbicha, is that a "yes, wayland is not there yet"? ;-) | 09:07 |
| duflu | seb128: Yeah, whatever works. I was happy to wait for pitti's next release. Depends if the release process requires that fix immediately | 09:07 |
| pitti | duflu: the NetworkManager tests fail, apparently current nmcli now expects an ObjectManager interface | 09:07 |
| jbicha | seb128: it's more of a these are some known issues, but they don't affect everybody | 09:07 |
| pitti | duflu: dbusmock does support that in principle now, but just adding it doesn't help, so that needs some investigation | 09:07 |
| duflu | pitti: No problem... I'm about to hit the weekend (*shrug*) | 09:08 |
| andyrock | seb128: hey who should I ask to get permissions to create silos? just curious, i can "use" :D Trevinho for the moment | 09:08 |
| seb128 | duflu, well, the bluez update is going to be blocked in proposed until the fix is uploaded | 09:08 |
| duflu | Yeah fair enough | 09:08 |
| duflu | seb128, No rush. We were expecting a slower release anyway | 09:09 |
| jamesh | ObjectManager is a bit of a non-interface | 09:10 |
| jamesh | it's a pain to use with udisks2 | 09:10 |
| sschuhmann_ | Hey, I have some problem configuring my touchpad correct. Someone has worked with touchpads on ubuntu yet? | 09:10 |
| sschuhmann_ | Or am I in the wrong channel? | 09:10 |
| jamesh | sschuhmann_: maybe describe your problem, and then someone might be able to help? | 09:11 |
| sschuhmann_ | Sorry, sure | 09:11 |
| jbicha | for 17.10 we do need to document some way for users to be able to run GNOME on X | 09:12 |
| jbicha | and we can adjust if necessary for 18.04 | 09:13 |
| sschuhmann_ | I set up ubuntu on my new laptop, everything is working good so far, just when I click the touchpad I'm not able to move with a different finger. The touchpad itsself is a multi touch and recognizes multi finger actions though | 09:13 |
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| duflu | sschuhmann_, I found similar issues on a laptop. Installing gnome-tweak-tool I was able to find a setting that worked (regained the ability to right click with two fingers) | 09:21 |
| duflu | Can't remember what it was but there aren't many options | 09:21 |
| duflu | I would say right-click-with-two-fingers should be the default | 09:22 |
| duflu | So that's a bug. | 09:22 |
| duflu | Oh perhaps it was two-finger scrolling | 09:22 |
| duflu | I can't remember now | 09:23 |
| duflu | That too should be on by default :) | 09:23 |
| sschuhmann_ | Both is working like a charm. It only happens when I click the hw button (underneath the trackpad) and try to move the pointer | 09:23 |
| * duflu powers on a laptop to test again | 09:24 | |
| duflu | (although possibly the wrong laptop) | 09:24 |
| sschuhmann_ | Worked me through the settings and played a bit the settings | 09:24 |
| sschuhmann_ | duflu: awesome | 09:25 |
| sschuhmann_ | Not sure though if it's a hw problem or software | 09:25 |
| duflu | sschuhmann_, Nope, dragging while holding the hw button works here. Please log a bug using this command: 'ubuntu-bug gnome-shell' and add a comment about your laptop model | 09:26 |
| duflu | (although right click with two fingers isn't working by default) | 09:26 |
| sschuhmann_ | Can i log the bug from the irc with the command? | 09:28 |
| duflu | sschuhmann_: Ideally open a terminal on the laptop (Ctrl+Alt+T) and then run the command there | 09:28 |
| sschuhmann_ | duflu: Thanks for your help :) | 09:29 |
| duflu | sschuhmann_: No problem. And if the above fails then just use this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+filebug | 09:29 |
| jbicha | andyrock: you should have permission to use bileto now | 09:41 |
| jbicha | I added you to the team for that | 09:41 |
| andyrock | jbicha: cool thanks | 09:41 |
| oSoMoN | chrisccoulson, bug #1696965 | 10:37 |
| ubot5 | bug 1696965 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "First renderer process doesn't render page for chromium 59.0.3071.86 in KVM" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696965 | 10:37 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, hey, he's having a VAC day today I think | 10:38 |
| seb128 | but I guess the backlog is there for when he's going to be around :-) | 10:38 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, yeah, at this point it’s not particularly urgent, more of a FYI, so backlog will do | 10:38 |
| andyrock | jbicha: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2809/+build/12717126 | 10:39 |
| andyrock | The build did not fail | 10:39 |
| andyrock | and the weird warnings disappeared | 10:40 |
| jbicha | seb128: ^ do you want to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/thumbnailer-mkdir-parents-dirs/+merge/325247 I'm not on the team for that | 10:42 |
| andyrock | I can ask Trevinho too | 10:42 |
| andyrock | it's one line diff | 10:42 |
| seb128 | in a meeting but I've a look in a bit if nobody beats me to di | 10:42 |
| seb128 | it | 10:42 |
| willcooke | seb128, Laney jibel: https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-06-06-15.30.log.html | 10:58 |
| jbicha | um, is that the what session do we ship in 17.10 discussion? I'm not sure we're ready for a decision on that today | 11:03 |
| seb128 | jbicha, ? | 11:04 |
| Laney | that? | 11:04 |
| seb128 | jbicha, that's the log from the meeting from tuesday | 11:04 |
| seb128 | for the weekly newsletter | 11:04 |
| jbicha | I think we need to offer a documented fallback to X, whether it's a separate install or whatever | 11:05 |
| * oSoMoN goes camping | 11:05 | |
| oSoMoN | have a good week-end everyone | 11:05 |
| seb128 | jbicha, yeah, we should also have the discussion on wheter X or wayland is default, but in any case we want to make it easy for users to try to the other variant | 11:11 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, why do you ask us if we have a strategy for security updates? ;-) but no, ongoing discussion as you probably know... | 11:14 |
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| mdeslaur | seb128: it's a big problem that will require more than just the security team to solve. It was mentioned that RHEL update to a new gnome release every couple of years and perhaps the desktop team would commit to doing that, etc. | 11:15 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, yes, it's an ongoing discussion and what we think we might have to do | 11:16 |
| seb128 | it probably going to be discussed before et at GUADEC | 11:16 |
| mdeslaur | the only options are: 1- don't update mozjs and only parse trusted content (unlikely), 2- update to a new GNOME release regularly, 3- Backport fixes to old mozjs releases, 4- backport new mozjs and gjs into old gnome releases | 11:19 |
| mdeslaur | all options have a significant amount of pain | 11:19 |
| andyrock | jbicha, seb128 ok Trevinho approved the mp | 11:21 |
| andyrock | but not sure if I can publish the "silo" | 11:21 |
| jbicha | andyrock: could you start by setting Lander Signoff to Approved in bileto? | 11:22 |
| andyrock | jbicha: done thanks! | 11:23 |
| seb128 | andyrock, great | 11:23 |
| jbicha | andyrock: good, that starts an autopkgtest run (automated signoff) | 11:24 |
| Laney | mdeslaur: we know the options and we're trying to work things out, including by talking to upstream | 11:25 |
| Laney | do you want to be involved in this work? | 11:25 |
| mdeslaur | Laney: I was just updated on current progress, thanks | 11:25 |
| jbicha | andyrock: I pushed your unity update for you, thanks for fixing it! :) | 12:19 |
| andyrock | willcooke: seb128 I'm preparing a PPA for software-properties | 13:43 |
| willcooke | andyrock, nice one! | 13:43 |
| andyrock | so design can test | 13:43 |
| andyrock | the ppa will use mocks that are running on canonicstack | 13:44 |
| seb128 | andyrock, great, I'm about to go back from London so I'm going to be offline, let's see on monday | 13:44 |
| Laney | ♥ | 13:44 |
| seb128 | have a nice w.e desktopers | 13:48 |
| andyrock | mpt: https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/+archive/ubuntu/software-properties-lp | 14:19 |
| andyrock | mpt: ping me before using it | 14:19 |
| andyrock | because it's using a mocked u1 server | 14:19 |
| andyrock | so will not accept your u1 credentials | 14:20 |
| andyrock | *it will | 14:20 |
| immu | jbicha, what is your roll at ubuntu | 14:57 |
| jackpot51 | I really wish guest session would *not* be implemented in GDM | 14:59 |
| jackpot51 | If you want a guest user, you can add one | 14:59 |
| jackpot51 | Just make an unprivileged user with username "guest" and no password... | 14:59 |
| immu | no no guest account without passwordf | 15:01 |
| kenvandine | that's not the coolest thing about the guest session | 15:06 |
| kenvandine | you want it to self-destruct on logout | 15:06 |
| kenvandine | nothing persists | 15:06 |
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| jackpot51 | kenvandine - so long as it can be disabled with a configuration setting, it is fine. There have been security issues with the lightdm guest session (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-guest-sessions-login-disabled) | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 15:10 |
| mdeslaur | you also want it confined, a regular user can browse other user home directories | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | the guest session is super useful for testing | 15:11 |
| jackpot51 | For whom? | 15:12 |
| jackpot51 | You mean, due to the fact it creates a clean user account each time? | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | for me as a developer anyway | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | super useful | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | i can get a pristine user session for testing | 15:15 |
| mpt | andyrock, “bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/+archive/ubuntu/software-properties-lp/".” | 15:25 |
| andyrock | it's a ppa | 15:25 |
| andyrock | but I'm still working on it | 15:25 |
| immu | guest account shouldn't be allowed in any form of access to other data and filesystem access | 15:25 |
| andyrock | I'll ping you when it's ready | 15:25 |
| mpt | Oh, it’s a PPA | 15:25 |
| mpt | So why does it have code.launchpad.net in the URL | 15:25 |
| mpt | I guess we never got around to canonicalizing that one … https://translations.launchpad.net/~azzar1/+archive/ubuntu/software-properties-lp works too :-) | 15:27 |
| andyrock | btw i push a small typo so it will not work | 15:28 |
| andyrock | I'm fixing it before eow | 15:28 |
| * kenvandine really could use a guest session now | 16:15 | |
| kenvandine | grrr | 16:15 |
| andyrock | eow! | 16:19 |
| andyrock | have a nice we all! | 16:19 |
| jackpot51 | Is there a timeline for the switch to GDM? | 16:24 |
| isantop | ^ A blueprint on launchpad we can follow would be great too | 16:27 |
| jbicha | isantop: just subscribe to LP: #1686393 | 16:28 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1686393 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] gdm3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686393 | 16:28 |
| isantop | Thanks | 16:28 |
| isantop | jackpot51: ^ FYI | 16:29 |
| jackpot51 | What does [MIR] mean? | 16:32 |
| jbicha | I haven't heard of a specific timeline for it, but it's pending security review now | 16:32 |
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| immu | done | 17:45 |
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| gQuigs | can all unity-2d bugs just be closed? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d | 17:53 |
| * gQuigs is looking to get some technically good users (but possibly with little LP triage experience) a starting point of bugs to clean up/triage | 17:55 | |
| jbicha | gQuigs: yes, if you want to do that, maybe it's worth scripting it? | 17:55 |
| gQuigs | was looking at all precise bugs, and unity2d is a lot of them | 17:56 |
| gQuigs | jbicha: yea, scripting is wise, I don't want to close 500 bugs manaully.. | 17:56 |
| immu | loll | 19:06 |
| immu | how can i get this linux 4.11.0-5.10 source package in Ubuntu PPA | 19:35 |
| sarnold | if you've got artful-proposed src deb lines in your apt configuration, "apt-get source linux=4.11.0-5.10" will grab the sources | 19:36 |
| immu | i am on 17.04 | 19:37 |
| sarnold | pull-lp-source linux 4.11.0-5.10 also seems to work | 19:37 |
| immu | in terminal? | 19:38 |
| sarnold | yeah | 19:38 |
| clobrano | gQuigs, are you still looking for help? (not stating that I'm a good user, but I might be :)) | 20:30 |
| gQuigs | clobrano for the people on my team to do some triage? the users are internally on my team.. | 20:34 |
| gQuigs | clobrano there are plenty of places you can help triage though.. ( | 20:34 |
| gQuigs | if you have landscape api experience... I'm was just trying to list all bugs in unity-2d project (then move to posting a comment, closing later) | 20:35 |
| clobrano | gQuigs, I see. No experience in landscape unfortunately :(, but I'll look for other ways to help ;) | 20:36 |
| gQuigs | oops, sorry, I meant launchpad | 20:38 |
| clobrano | gQuigs, :D same | 20:38 |
| * clobrano wonders whether he needs special permissions to use launchpad API... | 20:40 | |
| gQuigs | clobrano, nope, not afaict | 20:41 |
| clobrano | gQuigs, ook | 20:42 |
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