[00:14] <jbicha> robert_ancell: btw, gnome-maps also needs folks which has dropped out of main
[00:14] <robert_ancell> jbicha, oh, when did that drop out?
[00:14] <jbicha> oh, it was in main for zesty so maybe Unity7 fallout
[00:17] <jbicha> correction, Unity8 fallout (address-book-service wanted it)
[05:51] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:25] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:25] <oSoMoN> hey duflu!
[06:26] <jamesh> hi oSoMoN, duflu
[06:26] <duflu> Afternoon jamesh. Did you get to SOTA?
[06:26] <oSoMoN> hey jamesh
[06:26] <jamesh> duflu: yep.  Other than the cigarette and (small amount of) marijuana smoke, it was pretty good
[06:26] <jamesh> and it didn't rain this year
[06:27] <duflu> jamesh: Yeah though on the right hand side the portaloos smelled more than the smoke
[06:28] <jamesh> Last year it started raining really hard towards the end, and there was no all ages area covered by the tent
[06:29] <duflu> Fun
[06:29] <duflu> In hindsight though, if you're trying to regain your hearing after illness, live rock is a poor remedy
[06:31] <jamesh> In general, I think they ran it better this year
[06:33] <jamesh> The UK election result is really close
[06:34] <duflu> Not decided?
[06:35] <jamesh> looks like a hung parliament, probably with Tories governing as a minority
[06:35] <duflu> Well that didn't work
[06:36] <jamesh> The Scottish National Party has also suffered, but I don't know enough to know why
[06:37] <jamesh> I'm kind of glad it didn't go as the polls predicted
[06:37] <duflu> So... PM Johnson and President Trump. There won't be a slow news day for a while
[07:00] <didrocks> good morning
[07:17] <Trevinho> morning people
[07:26] <duflu> Trevinho, not morning :)
[07:27] <duflu> Trevinho: Are your travels coming to an end now?
[07:27] <Trevinho> duflu: well, no... but for them it's a good morning, hopefully :-)
[07:27] <flocculant> Trevinho: better morning than I'd anticipated ;)
[07:28] <Trevinho> flocculant: hehe, yeah... I could have beeen definitely worse :)
[07:28] <flocculant> yup :)
[07:47] <koza> morning
[07:50] <duflu> Morning koza
[08:22] <andyrock> good morning!
[08:35] <andyrock> hey jbicha! any news about the unity test failure?
[09:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:04] <jbicha> andyrock: good morning, no, were you waiting on something from me?
[09:04] <duflu> Hi seb128
[09:04] <andyrock> jbicha: to build the silo :)
[09:04] <andyrock> I'll ask Trevinho
[09:04] <seb128> hey jbicha andyrock duflu, how are you?
[09:05] <seb128> duflu, almost w.e for you!
[09:05] <Laney> HI!
[09:05] <seb128> jbicha, thanks for starting those discussions on the list
[09:05] <duflu> seb128: Yeah getting close. So I decided to end the week fixing light-themes issues :)
[09:05] <seb128> jbicha, looks like logical step now is to question if we want wayland to be default for the coming LTS or if it's too early for that
[09:05] <seb128> duflu, nice!
[09:05] <duflu> seb128: Also that bluez issue is not a bluez bug. Still fixed....
[09:05] <seb128> I saw
[09:05] <seb128> pitti commited your fix?
[09:06] <duflu> seb128: Yes committed but it will be a little while before the next upstream release
[09:06] <jbicha> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland
[09:06] <seb128> duflu, we can backport it to artful
[09:07] <seb128> jbicha, is that a "yes, wayland is not there yet"? ;-)
[09:07] <duflu> seb128: Yeah, whatever works. I was happy to wait for pitti's next release. Depends if the release process requires that fix immediately
[09:07] <pitti> duflu: the NetworkManager tests fail, apparently current nmcli now expects an ObjectManager interface
[09:07] <jbicha> seb128: it's more of a these are some known issues, but they don't affect everybody
[09:07] <pitti> duflu: dbusmock does support that in principle now, but just adding it doesn't help, so that needs some investigation
[09:08] <duflu> pitti: No problem... I'm about to hit the weekend (*shrug*)
[09:08] <andyrock> seb128: hey who should I ask to get permissions to create silos? just curious, i can "use" :D Trevinho for the moment
[09:08] <seb128> duflu, well, the bluez update is going to be blocked in proposed until the fix is uploaded
[09:08] <duflu> Yeah fair enough
[09:09] <duflu> seb128, No rush. We were expecting a slower release anyway
[09:10] <jamesh> ObjectManager is a bit of a non-interface
[09:10] <jamesh> it's a pain to use with udisks2
[09:10] <sschuhmann_> Hey, I have some problem configuring my touchpad correct. Someone has worked with touchpads on ubuntu yet?
[09:10] <sschuhmann_> Or am I in the wrong channel?
[09:11] <jamesh> sschuhmann_: maybe describe your problem, and then someone might be able to help?
[09:11] <sschuhmann_> Sorry, sure
[09:12] <jbicha> for 17.10 we do need to document some way for users to be able to run GNOME on X
[09:13] <jbicha> and we can adjust if necessary for 18.04
[09:13] <sschuhmann_> I set up ubuntu on my new laptop, everything is working good so far, just when I click the touchpad I'm not able to move with a different finger. The touchpad itsself is a multi touch and recognizes multi finger actions though
[09:21] <duflu> sschuhmann_, I found similar issues on a laptop. Installing gnome-tweak-tool I was able to find a setting that worked (regained the ability to right click with two fingers)
[09:21] <duflu> Can't remember what it was but there aren't many options
[09:22] <duflu> I would say right-click-with-two-fingers should be the default
[09:22] <duflu> So that's a bug.
[09:22] <duflu> Oh perhaps it was two-finger scrolling
[09:23] <duflu> I can't remember now
[09:23] <duflu> That too should be on by default :)
[09:23] <sschuhmann_> Both is working like a charm. It only happens when I click the hw button (underneath the trackpad) and try to move the pointer
[09:24]  * duflu powers on a laptop to test again
[09:24] <duflu> (although possibly the wrong laptop)
[09:24] <sschuhmann_> Worked me through the settings and played a bit the settings
[09:25] <sschuhmann_> duflu: awesome
[09:25] <sschuhmann_> Not sure though if it's a hw problem or software
[09:26] <duflu> sschuhmann_, Nope, dragging while holding the hw button works here. Please log a bug using this command: 'ubuntu-bug gnome-shell' and add a comment about your laptop model
[09:26] <duflu> (although right click with two fingers isn't working by default)
[09:28] <sschuhmann_> Can i log the bug from the irc with the command?
[09:28] <duflu> sschuhmann_: Ideally open a terminal on the laptop (Ctrl+Alt+T) and then run the command there
[09:29] <sschuhmann_> duflu: Thanks for your help :)
[09:29] <duflu> sschuhmann_: No problem. And if the above fails then just use this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+filebug
[09:41] <jbicha> andyrock: you should have permission to use bileto now
[09:41] <jbicha> I added you to the team for that
[09:41] <andyrock> jbicha: cool thanks
[10:37] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, bug #1696965
[10:38] <seb128> oSoMoN, hey, he's having a VAC day today I think
[10:38] <seb128> but I guess the backlog is there for when he's going to be around :-)
[10:38] <oSoMoN> seb128, yeah, at this point it’s not particularly urgent, more of a FYI, so backlog will do
[10:39] <andyrock> jbicha: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2809/+build/12717126
[10:39] <andyrock> The build did not fail
[10:40] <andyrock> and the weird warnings disappeared
[10:42] <jbicha> seb128: ^ do you want to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/thumbnailer-mkdir-parents-dirs/+merge/325247 I'm not on the team for that
[10:42] <andyrock> I can ask Trevinho too
[10:42] <andyrock> it's one line diff
[10:42] <seb128> in a meeting but I've a look in a bit if nobody beats me to di
[10:42] <seb128> it
[10:58] <willcooke> seb128, Laney jibel: https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-06-06-15.30.log.html
[11:03] <jbicha> um, is that the what session do we ship in 17.10 discussion? I'm not sure we're ready for a decision on that today
[11:04] <seb128> jbicha, ?
[11:04] <Laney> that?
[11:04] <seb128> jbicha, that's the log from the meeting from tuesday
[11:04] <seb128> for the weekly newsletter
[11:05] <jbicha> I think we need to offer a documented fallback to X, whether it's a separate install or whatever
[11:05]  * oSoMoN goes camping
[11:05] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone
[11:11] <seb128> jbicha, yeah, we should also have the discussion on wheter X or wayland is default, but in any case we want to make it easy for users to try to the other variant
[11:14] <seb128> mdeslaur, why do you ask us if we have a strategy for security updates? ;-) but no, ongoing discussion as you probably know...
[11:15] <mdeslaur> seb128: it's a big problem that will require more than just the security team to solve. It was mentioned that RHEL update to a new gnome release every couple of years and perhaps the desktop team would commit to doing that, etc.
[11:16] <seb128> mdeslaur, yes, it's an ongoing discussion and what we think we might have to do
[11:16] <seb128> it probably going to be discussed before et at GUADEC
[11:19] <mdeslaur> the only options are: 1- don't update mozjs and only parse trusted content (unlikely), 2- update to a new GNOME release regularly, 3- Backport fixes to old mozjs releases, 4- backport new mozjs and gjs into old gnome releases
[11:19] <mdeslaur> all options have a significant amount of pain
[11:21] <andyrock> jbicha, seb128 ok Trevinho approved the mp
[11:21] <andyrock> but not sure if I can publish the "silo"
[11:22] <jbicha> andyrock: could you start by setting Lander Signoff to Approved in bileto?
[11:23] <andyrock> jbicha: done thanks!
[11:23] <seb128> andyrock, great
[11:24] <jbicha> andyrock: good, that starts an autopkgtest run (automated signoff)
[11:25] <Laney> mdeslaur: we know the options and we're trying to work things out, including by talking to upstream
[11:25] <Laney> do you want to be involved in this work?
[11:25] <mdeslaur> Laney: I was just updated on current progress, thanks
[12:19] <jbicha> andyrock: I pushed your unity update for you, thanks for fixing it! :)
[13:43] <andyrock> willcooke: seb128 I'm preparing a PPA for software-properties
[13:43] <willcooke> andyrock, nice one!
[13:43] <andyrock> so design can test
[13:44] <andyrock> the ppa will use mocks that are running on canonicstack
[13:44] <seb128> andyrock, great, I'm about to go back from London so I'm going to be offline, let's see on monday
[13:44] <Laney> ♥
[13:48] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers
[14:19] <andyrock> mpt: https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/+archive/ubuntu/software-properties-lp
[14:19] <andyrock> mpt: ping me before using it
[14:19] <andyrock> because it's using a mocked u1 server
[14:20] <andyrock> so will not accept your u1 credentials
[14:20] <andyrock> *it will
[14:57] <immu> jbicha, what is your roll at ubuntu
[14:59] <jackpot51> I really wish guest session would *not* be implemented in GDM
[14:59] <jackpot51> If you want a guest user, you can add one
[14:59] <jackpot51> Just make an unprivileged user with username "guest" and no password...
[15:01] <immu> no no guest account without passwordf
[15:06] <kenvandine> that's not the coolest thing about the guest session
[15:06] <kenvandine> you want it to self-destruct on logout
[15:06] <kenvandine> nothing persists
[15:09] <jackpot51> kenvandine - so long as it can be disabled with a configuration setting, it is fine. There have been security issues with the lightdm guest session (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-guest-sessions-login-disabled)
[15:10] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:11] <mdeslaur> you also want it confined, a regular user can browse other user home directories
[15:11] <kenvandine> the guest session is super useful for testing
[15:12] <jackpot51> For whom?
[15:12] <jackpot51> You mean, due to the fact it creates a clean user account each time?
[15:14] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:14] <kenvandine> for me as a developer anyway
[15:14] <kenvandine> super useful
[15:15] <kenvandine> i can get a pristine user session for testing
[15:25] <mpt> andyrock, “bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/+archive/ubuntu/software-properties-lp/".”
[15:25] <andyrock> it's a ppa
[15:25] <andyrock> but I'm still working on it
[15:25] <immu> guest account shouldn't be allowed in any form of access to other data and filesystem access
[15:25] <andyrock> I'll ping you when it's ready
[15:25] <mpt> Oh, it’s a PPA
[15:25] <mpt> So why does it have code.launchpad.net in the URL
[15:27] <mpt> I guess we never got around to canonicalizing that one … https://translations.launchpad.net/~azzar1/+archive/ubuntu/software-properties-lp works too :-)
[15:28] <andyrock> btw i push a small typo so it will not work
[15:28] <andyrock> I'm fixing it before eow
[16:15]  * kenvandine really could use a guest session now
[16:15] <kenvandine> grrr
[16:19] <andyrock> eow!
[16:19] <andyrock> have a nice we all!
[16:24] <jackpot51> Is there a timeline for the switch to GDM?
[16:27] <isantop> ^ A blueprint on launchpad we can follow would be great too
[16:28] <jbicha> isantop: just subscribe to LP: #1686393
[16:28] <isantop> Thanks
[16:29] <isantop> jackpot51: ^ FYI
[16:32] <jackpot51> What does [MIR] mean?
[16:32] <jbicha> I haven't heard of a specific timeline for it, but it's pending security review now
[17:45] <immu> done
[17:53] <gQuigs> can all unity-2d bugs just be closed?  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d
[17:55]  * gQuigs is looking to get some technically good users (but possibly with little LP triage experience) a starting point of bugs to clean up/triage
[17:55] <jbicha> gQuigs: yes, if you want to do that, maybe it's worth scripting it?
[17:56] <gQuigs> was looking at all precise bugs, and unity2d is a lot of them
[17:56] <gQuigs> jbicha: yea, scripting is wise, I don't want to close 500 bugs manaully..
[19:06] <immu> loll
[19:35] <immu> how can i get this linux 4.11.0-5.10 source package in Ubuntu PPA
[19:36] <sarnold> if you've got artful-proposed src deb lines in your apt configuration, "apt-get source linux=4.11.0-5.10" will grab the sources
[19:37] <immu> i am on 17.04
[19:37] <sarnold> pull-lp-source linux 4.11.0-5.10 also seems to work
[19:38] <immu> in terminal?
[19:38] <sarnold> yeah
[20:30] <clobrano> gQuigs, are you still looking for help? (not stating that I'm a good user, but I might be :))
[20:34] <gQuigs> clobrano for the people on my team to do some triage? the users are internally on my team..
[20:34] <gQuigs> clobrano there are plenty of places you can help triage though..  (
[20:35] <gQuigs> if you have landscape api experience... I'm was just trying to list all bugs in unity-2d project (then move to posting a comment, closing later)
[20:36] <clobrano> gQuigs, I see. No experience in landscape unfortunately :(, but I'll look for other ways to help ;)
[20:38] <gQuigs> oops, sorry, I meant launchpad
[20:38] <clobrano> gQuigs, :D same
[20:40]  * clobrano wonders whether he needs special permissions to use launchpad API...
[20:41] <gQuigs> clobrano, nope, not afaict
[20:42] <clobrano> gQuigs, ook