[00:14] robert_ancell: btw, gnome-maps also needs folks which has dropped out of main [00:14] jbicha, oh, when did that drop out? [00:14] oh, it was in main for zesty so maybe Unity7 fallout [00:17] correction, Unity8 fallout (address-book-service wanted it) === JanC_ is now known as JanC [05:51] good morning desktoppers! [06:25] Hi oSoMoN [06:25] hey duflu! [06:26] hi oSoMoN, duflu [06:26] Afternoon jamesh. Did you get to SOTA? [06:26] hey jamesh [06:26] duflu: yep. Other than the cigarette and (small amount of) marijuana smoke, it was pretty good [06:26] and it didn't rain this year [06:27] jamesh: Yeah though on the right hand side the portaloos smelled more than the smoke [06:28] Last year it started raining really hard towards the end, and there was no all ages area covered by the tent [06:29] Fun [06:29] In hindsight though, if you're trying to regain your hearing after illness, live rock is a poor remedy [06:31] In general, I think they ran it better this year [06:33] The UK election result is really close [06:34] Not decided? [06:35] looks like a hung parliament, probably with Tories governing as a minority [06:35] Well that didn't work [06:36] The Scottish National Party has also suffered, but I don't know enough to know why [06:37] I'm kind of glad it didn't go as the polls predicted [06:37] So... PM Johnson and President Trump. There won't be a slow news day for a while [07:00] good morning [07:17] morning people === maclin1 is now known as maclin [07:26] Trevinho, not morning :) [07:27] Trevinho: Are your travels coming to an end now? [07:27] duflu: well, no... but for them it's a good morning, hopefully :-) [07:27] Trevinho: better morning than I'd anticipated ;) [07:28] flocculant: hehe, yeah... I could have beeen definitely worse :) [07:28] yup :) === koza|away is now known as koza [07:47] morning [07:50] Morning koza [08:22] good morning! [08:35] hey jbicha! any news about the unity test failure? [09:03] good morning desktopers [09:04] andyrock: good morning, no, were you waiting on something from me? [09:04] Hi seb128 [09:04] jbicha: to build the silo :) [09:04] I'll ask Trevinho [09:04] hey jbicha andyrock duflu, how are you? [09:05] duflu, almost w.e for you! [09:05] HI! [09:05] jbicha, thanks for starting those discussions on the list [09:05] seb128: Yeah getting close. So I decided to end the week fixing light-themes issues :) [09:05] jbicha, looks like logical step now is to question if we want wayland to be default for the coming LTS or if it's too early for that [09:05] duflu, nice! [09:05] seb128: Also that bluez issue is not a bluez bug. Still fixed.... [09:05] I saw [09:05] pitti commited your fix? [09:06] seb128: Yes committed but it will be a little while before the next upstream release [09:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland [09:06] duflu, we can backport it to artful [09:07] jbicha, is that a "yes, wayland is not there yet"? ;-) [09:07] seb128: Yeah, whatever works. I was happy to wait for pitti's next release. Depends if the release process requires that fix immediately [09:07] duflu: the NetworkManager tests fail, apparently current nmcli now expects an ObjectManager interface [09:07] seb128: it's more of a these are some known issues, but they don't affect everybody [09:07] duflu: dbusmock does support that in principle now, but just adding it doesn't help, so that needs some investigation [09:08] pitti: No problem... I'm about to hit the weekend (*shrug*) [09:08] seb128: hey who should I ask to get permissions to create silos? just curious, i can "use" :D Trevinho for the moment [09:08] duflu, well, the bluez update is going to be blocked in proposed until the fix is uploaded [09:08] Yeah fair enough [09:09] seb128, No rush. We were expecting a slower release anyway [09:10] ObjectManager is a bit of a non-interface [09:10] it's a pain to use with udisks2 [09:10] Hey, I have some problem configuring my touchpad correct. Someone has worked with touchpads on ubuntu yet? [09:10] Or am I in the wrong channel? [09:11] sschuhmann_: maybe describe your problem, and then someone might be able to help? [09:11] Sorry, sure [09:12] for 17.10 we do need to document some way for users to be able to run GNOME on X [09:13] and we can adjust if necessary for 18.04 [09:13] I set up ubuntu on my new laptop, everything is working good so far, just when I click the touchpad I'm not able to move with a different finger. The touchpad itsself is a multi touch and recognizes multi finger actions though === ogra_ is now known as ogra [09:21] sschuhmann_, I found similar issues on a laptop. Installing gnome-tweak-tool I was able to find a setting that worked (regained the ability to right click with two fingers) [09:21] Can't remember what it was but there aren't many options [09:22] I would say right-click-with-two-fingers should be the default [09:22] So that's a bug. [09:22] Oh perhaps it was two-finger scrolling [09:23] I can't remember now [09:23] That too should be on by default :) [09:23] Both is working like a charm. It only happens when I click the hw button (underneath the trackpad) and try to move the pointer [09:24] * duflu powers on a laptop to test again [09:24] (although possibly the wrong laptop) [09:24] Worked me through the settings and played a bit the settings [09:25] duflu: awesome [09:25] Not sure though if it's a hw problem or software [09:26] sschuhmann_, Nope, dragging while holding the hw button works here. Please log a bug using this command: 'ubuntu-bug gnome-shell' and add a comment about your laptop model [09:26] (although right click with two fingers isn't working by default) [09:28] Can i log the bug from the irc with the command? [09:28] sschuhmann_: Ideally open a terminal on the laptop (Ctrl+Alt+T) and then run the command there [09:29] duflu: Thanks for your help :) [09:29] sschuhmann_: No problem. And if the above fails then just use this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+filebug [09:41] andyrock: you should have permission to use bileto now [09:41] I added you to the team for that [09:41] jbicha: cool thanks [10:37] chrisccoulson, bug #1696965 [10:37] bug 1696965 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "First renderer process doesn't render page for chromium 59.0.3071.86 in KVM" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696965 [10:38] oSoMoN, hey, he's having a VAC day today I think [10:38] but I guess the backlog is there for when he's going to be around :-) [10:38] seb128, yeah, at this point it’s not particularly urgent, more of a FYI, so backlog will do [10:39] jbicha: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2809/+build/12717126 [10:39] The build did not fail [10:40] and the weird warnings disappeared [10:42] seb128: ^ do you want to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/thumbnailer-mkdir-parents-dirs/+merge/325247 I'm not on the team for that [10:42] I can ask Trevinho too [10:42] it's one line diff [10:42] in a meeting but I've a look in a bit if nobody beats me to di [10:42] it [10:58] seb128, Laney jibel: https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-06-06-15.30.log.html [11:03] um, is that the what session do we ship in 17.10 discussion? I'm not sure we're ready for a decision on that today [11:04] jbicha, ? [11:04] that? [11:04] jbicha, that's the log from the meeting from tuesday [11:04] for the weekly newsletter [11:05] I think we need to offer a documented fallback to X, whether it's a separate install or whatever [11:05] * oSoMoN goes camping [11:05] have a good week-end everyone [11:11] jbicha, yeah, we should also have the discussion on wheter X or wayland is default, but in any case we want to make it easy for users to try to the other variant [11:14] mdeslaur, why do you ask us if we have a strategy for security updates? ;-) but no, ongoing discussion as you probably know... === ogra_ is now known as ogra === ogra is now known as ogra_ [11:15] seb128: it's a big problem that will require more than just the security team to solve. It was mentioned that RHEL update to a new gnome release every couple of years and perhaps the desktop team would commit to doing that, etc. [11:16] mdeslaur, yes, it's an ongoing discussion and what we think we might have to do [11:16] it probably going to be discussed before et at GUADEC [11:19] the only options are: 1- don't update mozjs and only parse trusted content (unlikely), 2- update to a new GNOME release regularly, 3- Backport fixes to old mozjs releases, 4- backport new mozjs and gjs into old gnome releases [11:19] all options have a significant amount of pain [11:21] jbicha, seb128 ok Trevinho approved the mp [11:21] but not sure if I can publish the "silo" [11:22] andyrock: could you start by setting Lander Signoff to Approved in bileto? [11:23] jbicha: done thanks! [11:23] andyrock, great [11:24] andyrock: good, that starts an autopkgtest run (automated signoff) [11:25] mdeslaur: we know the options and we're trying to work things out, including by talking to upstream [11:25] do you want to be involved in this work? [11:25] Laney: I was just updated on current progress, thanks [12:19] andyrock: I pushed your unity update for you, thanks for fixing it! :) [13:43] willcooke: seb128 I'm preparing a PPA for software-properties [13:43] andyrock, nice one! [13:43] so design can test [13:44] the ppa will use mocks that are running on canonicstack [13:44] andyrock, great, I'm about to go back from London so I'm going to be offline, let's see on monday [13:44] ♥ [13:48] have a nice w.e desktopers [14:19] mpt: https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/+archive/ubuntu/software-properties-lp [14:19] mpt: ping me before using it [14:19] because it's using a mocked u1 server [14:20] so will not accept your u1 credentials [14:20] *it will [14:57] jbicha, what is your roll at ubuntu [14:59] I really wish guest session would *not* be implemented in GDM [14:59] If you want a guest user, you can add one [14:59] Just make an unprivileged user with username "guest" and no password... [15:01] no no guest account without passwordf [15:06] that's not the coolest thing about the guest session [15:06] you want it to self-destruct on logout [15:06] nothing persists === koza is now known as koza|away [15:09] kenvandine - so long as it can be disabled with a configuration setting, it is fine. There have been security issues with the lightdm guest session (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-guest-sessions-login-disabled) [15:10] yeah [15:11] you also want it confined, a regular user can browse other user home directories [15:11] the guest session is super useful for testing [15:12] For whom? [15:12] You mean, due to the fact it creates a clean user account each time? [15:14] yeah [15:14] for me as a developer anyway [15:14] super useful [15:15] i can get a pristine user session for testing [15:25] andyrock, “bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/+archive/ubuntu/software-properties-lp/".” [15:25] it's a ppa [15:25] but I'm still working on it [15:25] guest account shouldn't be allowed in any form of access to other data and filesystem access [15:25] I'll ping you when it's ready [15:25] Oh, it’s a PPA [15:25] So why does it have code.launchpad.net in the URL [15:27] I guess we never got around to canonicalizing that one … https://translations.launchpad.net/~azzar1/+archive/ubuntu/software-properties-lp works too :-) [15:28] btw i push a small typo so it will not work [15:28] I'm fixing it before eow [16:15] * kenvandine really could use a guest session now [16:15] grrr [16:19] eow! [16:19] have a nice we all! [16:24] Is there a timeline for the switch to GDM? [16:27] ^ A blueprint on launchpad we can follow would be great too [16:28] isantop: just subscribe to LP: #1686393 [16:28] Launchpad bug 1686393 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] gdm3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686393 [16:28] Thanks [16:29] jackpot51: ^ FYI [16:32] What does [MIR] mean? [16:32] I haven't heard of a specific timeline for it, but it's pending security review now === hikiko_ is now known as hikiko === pisi is now known as Guest38859 [17:45] done === Guest38859 is now known as pisi0 [17:53] can all unity-2d bugs just be closed? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d [17:55] * gQuigs is looking to get some technically good users (but possibly with little LP triage experience) a starting point of bugs to clean up/triage [17:55] gQuigs: yes, if you want to do that, maybe it's worth scripting it? [17:56] was looking at all precise bugs, and unity2d is a lot of them [17:56] jbicha: yea, scripting is wise, I don't want to close 500 bugs manaully.. [19:06] loll [19:35] how can i get this linux 4.11.0-5.10 source package in Ubuntu PPA [19:36] if you've got artful-proposed src deb lines in your apt configuration, "apt-get source linux=4.11.0-5.10" will grab the sources [19:37] i am on 17.04 [19:37] pull-lp-source linux 4.11.0-5.10 also seems to work [19:38] in terminal? [19:38] yeah [20:30] gQuigs, are you still looking for help? (not stating that I'm a good user, but I might be :)) [20:34] clobrano for the people on my team to do some triage? the users are internally on my team.. [20:34] clobrano there are plenty of places you can help triage though.. ( [20:35] if you have landscape api experience... I'm was just trying to list all bugs in unity-2d project (then move to posting a comment, closing later) [20:36] gQuigs, I see. No experience in landscape unfortunately :(, but I'll look for other ways to help ;) [20:38] oops, sorry, I meant launchpad [20:38] gQuigs, :D same [20:40] * clobrano wonders whether he needs special permissions to use launchpad API... [20:41] clobrano, nope, not afaict [20:42] gQuigs, ook === pisi is now known as Guest44187 === Guest44187 is now known as pisi === pisi is now known as Guest26117