[02:30] Anybody remember when antivirus used to break caja? Happened to me now with latest distro... I tried all the usual stuff. Who knows what actually happened to caja and what to do to fix it? [05:10] hi [05:11] what's new [07:17] is it possible my system apt get is malfunctioning? [07:17] some files in a source folder were randomly assigned to groups 'root root' [07:18] and I had some weird permission problems with icecast package [07:18] it was a source folder i downloaded so it doesn't make sense for it to be unreadable [07:18] i read them fine yesterday as normal user [07:18] er wrote i mean [07:21] What do you mean "source folder"? [07:21] Apt handles binary packages, not source code... [07:26] well to clarify [07:26] I downloaded separate from apt a git repository with git clone [07:26] and was running the build script inside it [07:26] and when i saw it needed libraries or whatever I installed them with sudo apt-get install [07:26] possibly inside that very source dir [07:26] and now today when I go to build it suddenly says ERROR cannot write FETCH_HEAD [07:27] and I do an -ls -l and sure enough now it's owned by root. but not the files around it. @_@ [07:27] apt doesn't touch your current dir [07:27] So it's completely unrelated to the issue you mention [07:27] Seek elsewhere for what caused it [07:27] well files don't just change ownership by themselves [07:27] Right, so I'm pointing you to another direction to search, because apt isn't to blame there [07:28] and I also had problems with apt installing nginx and icecast [07:28] What problems? [07:28] with icecast it worked out of the box on debian [07:28] but on ubuntu here it just gave me all these wierd problems [07:28] to the point that now I can run it as a normal user but not as sudo because it won't let you [07:28] but i can't start it as a service and some of its files were also owned by root [07:28] so I'm just speculating there's a connection between apt and these problems [07:29] maybe apt is randomly changing ownership of files to root because I run it as root [07:29] apt is supposed to be ran as root [07:29] exactly [07:29] apt doesn't change ownership of files [07:29] ok [07:29] Accept those so that you can pinpoint the real issue more easily [07:29] sudo apt install debsums [07:29] sudo debsums -s [07:29] well i have no idea where to start [07:30] Run those. They will check that all packages and files are appropriate [07:30] Because if you manually have installed things and broken your system, you'll need to reinstall it [07:30] You're not supposed to manually install things over the files that are managed by apt [07:31] debsum checks all installed packages md5? [07:31] cool [07:32] Yes [07:32] that's weird. when a package is installed doesn't that just mean it copies the files? [07:33] so like. how does it know /etc/default/icecast2 matches the original deb package it came from? [07:33] I'm not sure what you're asking there [07:33] apt has information and md5sums etc for all the packages in your system [07:34] dpkg -S /path/to/file => show which package ships that file [07:34] dpkg -L package-name => list the files that a package ships [07:35] right. [07:35] so what i mean is [07:35] does it assemble a deb file from those packages and check that [07:35] or like, does the system store the deb file or how does that work [07:36] .deb files are downloaded in /var/cache/apt/archives/ [07:36] They are unpacked in the file system, /usr, /etc etc etc [07:36] dpkg stores information for everything in /var/lib/dpkg/ [07:36] So, it knows which files belong to which package, which packages are installed, what the md5sums are etc [07:37] .deb files are not _created_ at any time locally; only by developers and then put to repositories [07:41] holy crap there are a ton of deb files in that folder you said [07:41] that seems like something that would get deleted to save space or something [07:42] The command for this is `apt clean` and it's properly documented [07:49] ah ok [07:51] hmm well it complained about mate-optimus and phoronix-test-suite [07:51] the latter failed while I was updating it with an install script [07:51] nothing else [07:53] Nice, that means that /usr, /etc are fine. So any issues you have would be related to either /home/johnjay, or to /var/www/, or to bugs in the programs themselves [07:53] Start by reporting the exact messages of the errors you see [07:56] what is /var/www? [07:56] the web server? [07:56] Yes, just as an example [07:57] I mean in general "wherever your programs put their data" [07:58] ah ok [07:58] with icecast i had problems getting it to just run after installing [07:58] but it would be hard to report exact error messages anywhere [07:59] like I would do sudo service icecast2 start [07:59] and then it wouldn't start [07:59] and like, do I check $? or netstat or how does that work you know [08:16] Good reports include phrases like: [08:16] "I'm running : service icecast start; ps aux|grep icecast" and I see no results. How do I troubleshoot that? [08:17] But not "yesterday I tried to run icecast and failed, but I'm not near the pc now, so I can't test whatever you'd like me to test now" [08:22] ah ok [08:22] well i'm going to apt-get upgrade and then troubleshoot tomorrow [08:22] thanks for the tips! [08:22] np [09:52] hey guys, can someone please explain how i am meant to report bugs? [09:53] Hello Kenzo [09:53] Hey [09:54] Kenzo, if you know the package that is affected by the bug, you can use the command: ubuntu-bug name_of_package [09:54] You will need a launchpad account [09:55] If you don't know the package, you can report on launchpad against ubuntu-mate, and triaging will be done by someone [09:56] Ok, i don't know which package is affected, the display preferences on the external monitor don't work on my system. would i just need to explain this on launchpad? [09:58] Yes, and you should also provide as much information as possible about your setup (Version of Ubuntu MATE, version of MATE Desktop, whether you've installed special stuff such as a newer kernel, the brand of displays you're using, the output of "inxi -CG") [09:59] Kenzo, and of course give more details on the actual bug, don't go writing "It doesn't work", explain how it doesn't work. [10:00] ah ok thanks ouromov [10:00] yw === TaZeR2 is now known as TaZeR [17:52] hmm my x server won't start i think and i'm at a console prompt right now [17:52] any ideas? [17:52] my /xorg.0.log says no screens found [17:54] when I type startx it fails with xinit: giving up, unable to connect to x server: connection refused, server error [17:58] has the system worked before? [17:58] like, last night it did [17:58] so yes [17:58] oh are you the guy i helped yesterday? [17:58] which guy. there were a couple [17:59] i needed to leave at one point [17:59] i'm the guy on a raspberry pi trying to get conky displaying weather [17:59] you had the laptop with driver issues and a windows laptop you borrowed right? [17:59] if that helps [17:59] hmm [17:59] oh no that's someone else [17:59] ok not the same guy [17:59] did you do anything before it broke? [18:00] yeah several things. [18:00] i was building a project and also removing nginx and another package [18:00] oh shit [18:00] the system froze due to overheating and i rebooted it [18:01] it might be toast. :( [18:01] maybe you just removed some important part of x? [18:01] check your apt log [18:01] $ less /var/log/apt/history.log [18:03] hmm. paste.ubuntu.com/24817048 [18:03] there is something in the log about removing xserver-xorg files [18:03] but i don't know what it means [18:04] i vaguely remember installing gnome-desktop just to see if it would wokr [18:04] when it asked me to configure it I chose lightdm or something. but i thought i rebooted before [18:05] wait which line? [18:07] eh. the last one. [18:07] it doesn't say Remove: xserver-xorg-video-vesa-hwe-16.04:armhf? [18:08] weird [18:09] at least you can install mate-desktop-environment and hope it works :) [18:12] er is that a package? [18:12] yes [18:12] $ sudo apt install mate-desktop-environment [18:12] at least it is on this ubuntu mate 14.04 [18:13] i have both ubuntu-mate-desktop and mate-desktop in my repo [18:13] 16.04 xenial [18:13] er mate-desktop-environment [18:13] oh yeah and mate-desktop [18:13] lol confusing [18:14] so mate-desktop-environment the metapackage one is the one i want? [18:15] ok i'm doing that [18:15] as well as installing the vesa thing cause that sounds like it might matter [18:17] probably a good idea [18:17] let's see if it works [18:18] well i installed fbi [18:18] so now i can view images in the console at least [18:18] hopefully someone makes a youtube viewer for the console using the framebuffer. :D [18:18] ok brb rebooting [18:18] you don't need to [18:18] lol [18:38] o/ [18:42] hi iam new to ubuntu [18:42] hi :) [18:43] i'm finding very difficult in configuring deluge bit-torrent client in my laptop [18:43] could someone pls help me [18:43] what do you want to configure to it? [18:43] it says not connected.. when i click on it .. connection manager window opens up [18:44] it's been a while since i used deluge [18:44] someone else probably knows more [18:44] ohh [18:44] so which one do you use ? [18:44] deluge just works for me when i need to torrent ubuntu isos or something [18:44] i haven't touched any settings [18:45] could any experts .. help me on deluge -> connection manager settings [18:46] wait for 15 minutes or so, if nobody responds there are other places you can ask help on too :) [18:46] do something else while waiting [18:53] ok thank you akuli [18:54] if nobody responds, type this here: /join #ubuntu [18:54] you'll end up in a bigger ubuntu support channel [18:54] actually you can go there now :) [18:54] okies thank you [18:54] :/join #ubuntu [18:55] without : [18:55] got it [18:55] thanks a lot [18:56] ok :) [18:58] vj1234, seems like #ubuntu requires registering on freenode :( these instructions seem to be ok: /msg nickserv help register [18:59] be careful not to put anything before the / when typing a password [19:00] sure thank you Akuli [19:01] actually [19:01] /join #deluge [19:01] lol there's a channel just for deluge [19:02] vj1234, no need to register anywhere [19:02] okies [19:05] lol damn [19:05] ok i checked the hd cable and tried raspbian, they both worked fine [19:06] but now when I try my ubuntu-mate sd card I can't even get a grub screen or anything [19:06] no video, zip [19:06] is there a way I can mount the sd card in my usb drive and enable grub or something [19:11] johnjay, i know how to do that on a desktop ubuntu [19:11] no idea about raspberry pis [19:11] well. let me check. what file should I look for, /boot/grub? [19:11] i really have no idea how their grubs work [19:11] on a desktop i would mount and chroot [19:12] usually i'm too lazy to look up which things i should mount (/proc, /run and some others) so i just follow error messages :D [19:14] hmm [19:14] i can't cd into some directly because permissions? [19:14] ah ok [19:15] well there is a grub folder but it seems to be unused [19:15] just has a grubenv file in it [19:15] $ sudo -i [19:15] no more permission stuff :) [19:16] haha [19:16] well let's see [19:16] i have 4 folders [19:16] PI_BOOT which contains some stuff [19:16] like i said [19:16] i have no idea how this works [19:16] PI_ROOT which contains the system (/mnt, /home, etc) [19:16] a SETTINGS folder and a SETTINGS1 folder [19:17] in SETTINGS1/noob.conf it just has 4 lines. one says to boot to partition 6. another says display mode 0 [19:18] ah ok well just thought maybe it was similar [19:18] since it's still a ubuntu-mate image [19:19] i think i installed xserver-xorg-video something [19:19] i guess the boot loader stuff is quite different [19:19] so i think that what caused it to stop [19:19] but now i can't do anything [19:19] keyboard input doesn't work. holding shift. nothing [19:19] Running around using sudo rights is a BAD IDEA [19:19] i still see the kernel bootup messages and the ubuntu mate logo for a second [19:19] then blank screen [19:19] nothing [19:19] keyboard won't even light up [19:20] Jack_Sparrow__, depends on which programs you run, but yeah avoid it if you don't feel ok with it [19:20] >says to avoid bad ideas [19:20] >name is Jack_Sparrow [19:20] lol [19:21] anyway Akuli I still have the orig ubuntu mate image so i can reinstall it [19:22] is there a way to use gparted or something to partition the sd card into 2 halves so i have a backup partition? [19:22] i mean maybe the sd card is toast, i'm not even sure how i would check that [19:22] i have no idea [19:23] johnjay, are you trying to have one of those partitions bootable.. then no [19:25] well that might be nice [19:25] but i was thinking also like what they have on windows [19:25] where you have a tiny restore partition [19:25] and from that you can restore the system [19:26] Gparted will partition a drive [19:26] can I use it with the drive mounted as usb [19:27] and just unzip the image or whatever from the backup partition to the main one? [19:27] or better resize the broken partition i have now so I can add a backup one lol [19:28] johnjay, I have a / root , /home/jack/Desktop and /media/UserData [19:29] I slide a fresh install right under my desktop. If something is on my Desktop, it is safe. Keeps my life simple [19:30] Full install in 15 minutes and my icons are still on my Desktop [19:30] not sure what you mean but sounds goood [19:30] *good [19:31] Time for lunch.. cya [19:33] heh [19:33] well Akuli i realize this isn't your area [19:33] but what do you think i should do next [19:33] i'd probably try rewriting the sd card [19:33] brb [19:33] keep troubleshooting or just reformat the sd card or try and do some kind of hardware read/write test on the sd card? === gabriel is now known as Guest72781 [19:57] a === don is now known as Guest83102