[02:30] <big_duck> Anybody remember when antivirus used to break caja?  Happened to me now with latest distro...  I tried all the usual stuff.  Who knows what actually happened to caja and what to do to fix it?
[05:10] <hector> hi
[05:11] <hector> what's new
[07:17] <johnjay> is it possible my system apt get is malfunctioning?
[07:17] <johnjay> some files in a source folder were randomly assigned to groups 'root root'
[07:18] <johnjay> and I had some weird permission problems with icecast package
[07:18] <johnjay> it was a source folder i downloaded so it doesn't make sense for it to be unreadable
[07:18] <johnjay> i read them fine yesterday as normal user
[07:18] <johnjay> er wrote i mean
[07:21] <alkisg> What do you mean "source folder"?
[07:21] <alkisg> Apt handles binary packages, not source code...
[07:26] <johnjay> well to clarify
[07:26] <johnjay> I downloaded separate from apt a git repository with git clone
[07:26] <johnjay> and was running the build script inside it
[07:26] <johnjay> and when i saw it needed libraries or whatever I installed them with sudo apt-get install
[07:26] <johnjay> possibly inside that very source dir
[07:26] <johnjay> and now today when I go to build it suddenly says ERROR cannot write FETCH_HEAD
[07:27] <johnjay> and I do an -ls -l and sure enough now it's owned by root. but not the files around it. @_@
[07:27] <alkisg> apt doesn't touch your current dir
[07:27] <alkisg> So it's completely unrelated to the issue you mention
[07:27] <alkisg> Seek elsewhere for what caused it
[07:27] <johnjay> well files don't just change ownership by themselves
[07:27] <alkisg> Right, so I'm pointing you to another direction to search, because apt isn't to blame there
[07:28] <johnjay> and I also had problems with apt installing nginx and icecast
[07:28] <alkisg> What problems?
[07:28] <johnjay> with icecast it worked out of the box on debian
[07:28] <johnjay> but on ubuntu here it just gave me all these wierd problems
[07:28] <johnjay> to the point that now I can run it as a normal user but not as sudo because it won't let you
[07:28] <johnjay> but i can't start it as a service and some of its files were also owned by root
[07:28] <johnjay> so I'm just speculating there's a connection between apt and these problems
[07:29] <johnjay> maybe apt is randomly changing ownership of files to root because I run it as root
[07:29] <alkisg> apt is supposed to be ran as root
[07:29] <johnjay> exactly
[07:29] <alkisg> apt doesn't change ownership of files
[07:29] <johnjay> ok
[07:29] <alkisg> Accept those so that you can pinpoint the real issue more easily
[07:29] <alkisg> sudo apt install debsums
[07:29] <alkisg> sudo debsums -s
[07:29] <johnjay> well i have no idea where to start
[07:30] <alkisg> Run those. They will check that all packages and files are appropriate
[07:30] <alkisg> Because if you manually have installed things and broken your system, you'll need to reinstall it
[07:30] <alkisg> You're not supposed to manually install things over the files that are managed by apt
[07:31] <johnjay> debsum checks all installed packages  md5?
[07:31] <johnjay> cool
[07:32] <alkisg> Yes
[07:32] <johnjay> that's weird. when a package is installed doesn't that just mean it copies the files?
[07:33] <johnjay> so like. how does it know /etc/default/icecast2 matches the original deb package it came from?
[07:33] <alkisg> I'm not sure what you're asking there
[07:33] <alkisg> apt has information and md5sums etc for all the packages in your system
[07:34] <alkisg> dpkg -S /path/to/file => show which package ships that file
[07:34] <alkisg> dpkg -L package-name => list the files that a package ships
[07:35] <johnjay> right.
[07:35] <johnjay> so what i mean is
[07:35] <johnjay> does it assemble a deb file from those packages and check that
[07:35] <johnjay> or like, does the system store the deb file or how does that work
[07:36] <alkisg> .deb files are downloaded in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:36] <alkisg> They are unpacked in the file system, /usr, /etc etc etc
[07:36] <alkisg> dpkg stores information for everything in /var/lib/dpkg/
[07:36] <alkisg> So, it knows which files belong to which package, which packages are installed, what the md5sums are etc
[07:37] <alkisg> .deb files are not _created_ at any time locally; only by developers and then put to repositories
[07:41] <johnjay> holy crap there are a ton of deb files in that folder you said
[07:41] <johnjay> that seems like something that would get deleted to save space or something
[07:42] <alkisg> The command for this is `apt clean` and it's properly documented
[07:49] <johnjay> ah ok
[07:51] <johnjay> hmm well it complained about mate-optimus and phoronix-test-suite
[07:51] <johnjay> the latter failed while I was updating it with an install script
[07:51] <johnjay> nothing else
[07:53] <alkisg> Nice, that means that /usr, /etc are fine. So any issues you have would be related to either /home/johnjay, or to /var/www/<wherever you have your program data>, or to bugs in the programs themselves
[07:53] <alkisg> Start by reporting the exact messages of the errors you see
[07:56] <johnjay> what is /var/www?
[07:56] <johnjay> the web server?
[07:56] <alkisg> Yes, just as an example
[07:57] <alkisg> I mean in general "wherever your programs put their data"
[07:58] <johnjay> ah ok
[07:58] <johnjay> with icecast i had problems getting it to just run after installing
[07:58] <johnjay> but it would be hard to report exact error messages anywhere
[07:59] <johnjay> like I would do sudo service icecast2 start
[07:59] <johnjay> and then it wouldn't start
[07:59] <johnjay> and like, do I check $? or netstat or how does that work you know
[08:16] <alkisg> Good reports include phrases like:
[08:16] <alkisg> "I'm running : service icecast start; ps aux|grep icecast" and I see no results. How do I troubleshoot that?
[08:17] <alkisg> But not "yesterday I tried to run icecast and failed, but I'm not near the pc now, so I can't test whatever you'd like me to test now"
[08:22] <johnjay> ah ok
[08:22] <johnjay> well i'm going to apt-get upgrade and then troubleshoot tomorrow
[08:22] <johnjay> thanks for the tips!
[08:22] <alkisg> np
[09:52] <Kenzo> hey guys, can someone please explain how i am meant to report bugs?
[09:53] <ouroumov> Hello Kenzo
[09:53] <Kenzo> Hey
[09:54] <ouroumov> Kenzo, if you know the package that is affected by the bug, you can use the command: ubuntu-bug name_of_package
[09:54] <ouroumov> You will need a launchpad account
[09:55] <ouroumov> If you don't know the package, you can report on launchpad against ubuntu-mate, and triaging will be done by someone
[09:56] <Kenzo> Ok, i don't know which package is affected, the display preferences on the external monitor don't work on my system. would i just need to explain this on launchpad?
[09:58] <ouroumov> Yes, and you should also provide as much information as possible about your setup (Version of Ubuntu MATE, version of MATE Desktop, whether you've installed special stuff such as a newer kernel, the brand of displays you're using, the output of "inxi -CG")
[09:59] <ouroumov> Kenzo, and of course give more details on the actual bug, don't go writing "It doesn't work", explain how it doesn't work.
[10:00] <Kenzo> ah ok thanks ouromov
[10:00] <ouroumov> yw
[17:52] <johnjay> hmm my x server won't start i think and i'm at a console prompt right now
[17:52] <johnjay> any ideas?
[17:52] <johnjay> my /xorg.0.log says no screens found
[17:54] <johnjay> when I type  startx it fails with xinit: giving up, unable to connect to x server: connection refused, server error
[17:58] <Akuli> has the system worked before?
[17:58] <johnjay> like, last  night it did
[17:58] <johnjay> so yes
[17:58] <Akuli> oh are you the guy i helped yesterday?
[17:58] <johnjay> which guy. there were a couple
[17:59] <Akuli> i needed to leave at one point
[17:59] <johnjay> i'm the guy on a raspberry pi trying to get conky displaying weather
[17:59] <Akuli> you had the laptop with driver issues and a windows laptop you borrowed right?
[17:59] <johnjay> if that helps
[17:59] <Akuli> hmm
[17:59] <johnjay> oh no that's someone else
[17:59] <Akuli> ok not the same guy
[17:59] <Akuli> did you do anything before it broke?
[18:00] <johnjay> yeah several things.
[18:00] <johnjay> i was building a project and also removing nginx and another package
[18:00] <johnjay> oh shit
[18:00] <johnjay> the system froze due to overheating and i rebooted it
[18:01] <johnjay> it might be toast. :(
[18:01] <Akuli> maybe you just removed some important part of x?
[18:01] <Akuli> check your apt log
[18:01] <Akuli> $ less /var/log/apt/history.log
[18:03] <johnjay> hmm. paste.ubuntu.com/24817048
[18:03] <johnjay> there is something in the log about removing xserver-xorg files
[18:03] <johnjay> but i don't know what it means
[18:04] <johnjay> i vaguely remember installing gnome-desktop just to see if it would wokr
[18:04] <johnjay> when it asked me to configure it I chose lightdm or something. but i thought i rebooted before
[18:05] <Akuli> wait which line?
[18:07] <johnjay> eh. the last one.
[18:07] <johnjay> it doesn't say Remove: xserver-xorg-video-vesa-hwe-16.04:armhf?
[18:08] <Akuli> weird
[18:09] <Akuli> at least you can install mate-desktop-environment and hope it works :)
[18:12] <johnjay> er is that a package?
[18:12] <Akuli> yes
[18:12] <Akuli> $ sudo apt install mate-desktop-environment
[18:12] <Akuli> at least it is on this ubuntu mate 14.04
[18:13] <johnjay> i have both ubuntu-mate-desktop and mate-desktop in my repo
[18:13] <johnjay> 16.04 xenial
[18:13] <johnjay> er mate-desktop-environment
[18:13] <johnjay> oh yeah and mate-desktop
[18:13] <johnjay> lol confusing
[18:14] <johnjay> so mate-desktop-environment the metapackage one is the one i want?
[18:15] <johnjay> ok i'm doing that
[18:15] <johnjay> as well as installing the vesa thing cause that sounds like it might matter
[18:17] <Akuli> probably a good idea
[18:17] <Akuli> let's see if it works
[18:18] <johnjay> well i installed fbi
[18:18] <johnjay> so now i can view images in the console at least
[18:18] <johnjay> hopefully someone makes a youtube viewer for the console using the framebuffer. :D
[18:18] <johnjay> ok brb rebooting
[18:18] <Akuli> you don't need to
[18:18] <Akuli> lol
[18:38] <hector_> o/
[18:42] <vj1234> hi iam new to ubuntu
[18:42] <Akuli> hi :)
[18:43] <vj1234> i'm finding very difficult in configuring deluge bit-torrent client in my laptop
[18:43] <vj1234> could someone pls help me
[18:43] <Akuli> what do you want to configure to it?
[18:43] <vj1234> it says not connected.. when i click on it .. connection manager window opens up
[18:44] <Akuli> it's been a while since i used deluge
[18:44] <Akuli> someone else probably knows more
[18:44] <vj1234> ohh
[18:44] <vj1234> so which one do you use ?
[18:44] <Akuli> deluge just works for me when i need to torrent ubuntu isos or something
[18:44] <Akuli> i haven't touched any settings
[18:45] <vj1234> could any experts .. help me on deluge -> connection manager settings
[18:46] <Akuli> wait for 15 minutes or so, if nobody responds there are other places you can ask help on too :)
[18:46] <Akuli> do something else while waiting
[18:53] <vj1234> ok thank you akuli
[18:54] <Akuli> if nobody responds, type this here: /join #ubuntu
[18:54] <Akuli> you'll end up in a bigger ubuntu support channel
[18:54] <Akuli> actually you can go there now :)
[18:54] <vj1234> okies thank you
[18:54] <vj1234> :/join #ubuntu
[18:55] <Akuli> without :
[18:55] <vj1234> got it
[18:55] <vj1234> thanks a lot
[18:56] <Akuli> ok :)
[18:58] <Akuli> vj1234, seems like #ubuntu requires registering on freenode :( these instructions seem to be ok:  /msg nickserv help register
[18:59] <Akuli> be careful not to put anything before the / when typing a password
[19:00] <vj1234> sure thank you Akuli
[19:01] <Akuli> actually
[19:01] <Akuli> /join #deluge
[19:01] <Akuli> lol there's a channel just for deluge
[19:02] <Akuli> vj1234, no need to register anywhere
[19:02] <vj1234> okies
[19:05] <johnjay> lol damn
[19:05] <johnjay> ok i checked the hd cable and tried raspbian, they both worked fine
[19:06] <johnjay> but now when I try my ubuntu-mate sd card I can't even get a grub screen or anything
[19:06] <johnjay> no video, zip
[19:06] <johnjay> is there a way I can mount the sd card in my usb drive and enable grub or something
[19:11] <Akuli> johnjay, i know how to do that on a desktop ubuntu
[19:11] <Akuli> no idea about raspberry pis
[19:11] <johnjay> well. let me check. what file should I look for, /boot/grub?
[19:11] <Akuli> i really have no idea how their grubs work
[19:11] <Akuli> on a desktop i would mount and chroot
[19:12] <Akuli> usually i'm too lazy to look up which things i should mount (/proc, /run and some others) so i just follow error messages :D
[19:14] <johnjay> hmm
[19:14] <johnjay> i can't cd into some directly because permissions?
[19:14] <johnjay> ah ok
[19:15] <johnjay> well there is a grub folder but it seems to be unused
[19:15] <johnjay> just has a grubenv file in it
[19:15] <Akuli> $ sudo -i
[19:15] <Akuli> no more permission stuff :)
[19:16] <johnjay> haha
[19:16] <johnjay> well let's see
[19:16] <johnjay> i have 4 folders
[19:16] <johnjay> PI_BOOT which contains some stuff
[19:16] <Akuli> like i said
[19:16] <Akuli> i have no idea how this works
[19:16] <johnjay> PI_ROOT which contains the system (/mnt, /home, etc)
[19:16] <johnjay> a SETTINGS folder and a SETTINGS1 folder
[19:17] <johnjay> in SETTINGS1/noob.conf it just has 4 lines. one says to boot to partition 6. another says display mode 0
[19:18] <johnjay> ah ok well just thought maybe it was similar
[19:18] <johnjay> since it's still a ubuntu-mate image
[19:19] <johnjay> i think i installed xserver-xorg-video something
[19:19] <Akuli> i guess the boot loader stuff is quite different
[19:19] <johnjay> so i think that what caused it to stop
[19:19] <johnjay> but now i can't do anything
[19:19] <johnjay> keyboard input doesn't work.  holding shift. nothing
[19:19] <Jack_Sparrow__> Running around using sudo rights is a BAD IDEA
[19:19] <johnjay> i still see the kernel bootup messages and the ubuntu mate logo for a second
[19:19] <johnjay> then blank screen
[19:19] <johnjay> nothing
[19:19] <johnjay> keyboard won't even light up
[19:20] <Akuli> Jack_Sparrow__, depends on which programs you run, but yeah avoid it if you don't feel ok with it
[19:20] <johnjay> >says to avoid bad ideas
[19:20] <johnjay> >name is Jack_Sparrow
[19:20] <Akuli> lol
[19:21] <johnjay> anyway Akuli I still have the orig ubuntu mate image so i can reinstall it
[19:22] <johnjay> is there a way to use gparted or something to partition the sd card into 2 halves so i have a backup partition?
[19:22] <johnjay> i mean maybe the sd card is toast, i'm not even sure how i would check that
[19:22] <Akuli> i have no idea
[19:23] <Jack_Sparrow__> johnjay, are you trying to have one of those partitions bootable.. then no
[19:25] <johnjay> well that might be nice
[19:25] <johnjay> but i was thinking also like what they have on windows
[19:25] <johnjay> where you have a tiny restore partition
[19:25] <johnjay> and from that you can restore the system
[19:26] <Jack_Sparrow__> Gparted will partition a drive
[19:26] <johnjay> can I use it with the drive mounted as usb
[19:27] <johnjay> and just unzip the image or whatever from the backup partition to the main one?
[19:27] <johnjay> or better resize the broken partition i have now so I can add a backup one lol
[19:28] <Jack_Sparrow__> johnjay, I have a /  root   , /home/jack/Desktop   and   /media/UserData
[19:29] <Jack_Sparrow__> I slide a fresh install right under my desktop.  If something is on my Desktop, it is safe.  Keeps my life simple
[19:30] <Jack_Sparrow__> Full install in 15 minutes and my icons are still on my Desktop
[19:30] <johnjay> not sure what you mean but sounds goood
[19:30] <johnjay> *good
[19:31] <Jack_Sparrow__> Time for lunch.. cya
[19:33] <johnjay> heh
[19:33] <johnjay> well Akuli i realize this isn't your area
[19:33] <johnjay> but what do you think i should do next
[19:33] <Akuli> i'd probably try rewriting the sd card
[19:33] <Akuli> brb
[19:33] <johnjay> keep troubleshooting or just reformat the sd card or try and do some kind of hardware read/write test on the sd card?
[19:57] <gabriel_> a