[00:38] <kuwer> I have nvidia geforce 8400 gs and I am trying to install it´s driver on ubuntu server
[00:38] <kuwer> Following nvidia website I should use NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-340.102.run file
[00:40] <kuwer> I found this tutorial but my files are different http://ubuntuguide.net/install-latest-nvidia-graphics-drivers-in-ubuntu-linux
[00:41] <kuwer> Could someone help me please?
[00:43] <bazhang> kuwer, install nvidia drivers from what additional drivers has on offer
[00:44] <kuwer> bazhang: I use opencl to process on gpu
[00:49] <LuckyGoldstar> kuwer, what files are you referring to?
[00:52] <acovrig> I'm having a strange issue - my VMs have no physical network when I boot from my SSD, but If I boot from an image of the SSD on a HDD then it works just fine...
[00:54] <acovrig> I have a bridge br0 to physical eth0, when I boot from the SSD, I can do network between VMs and I can dhclient br0 and get an IP from external, but none of my VMs get IPs on br0
[01:06] <schultza> is there a way to remote admin a computer from behind NAT?
[01:09] <SchrodingersScat> schultza: can tunnel ssh to a remote machine then ssh in through the tunnel.  It's handy, I use it to reach my desktop at work.
[01:09] <tgm4883> schultza: from behind a nat, or remote a computer that is behind a nat?
[01:33] <sxclimax> Hey folks. I need some help connecting to the internet on my home server. The server has an ethernet cable. I am able to ssh into the computer but there is no internet access. It is running lubuntu. "ping google.com → ping: unknown host google.com", "ping 8.8.8.8 → From 192.168.1.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable"
[01:56] <EldonMcGuinness> sxclimax: Can you ping your gateway?
[01:58] <sxclimax> EldonMcGuiness: I can ping my router. Is that the same as my gateway?
[01:58] <wi||> Can anyone recommend a good source for learning about installing applications and terminal commands. I have been installing applications and surviving on cut and pasting googled answers without really understanding what I am doing. Everything I have found so far is either way too advanced or very basic
[01:59] <cfhowlett> !manual | wi||
[02:00] <wi||> I wanted to know more about things like where the files end up when you install things.  What is happening when you run are compiling applications, etc
[02:18] <explodes> Ok I made my file in /etc/init/greenhouse-sensors, 16.04 ubuntu.. I can't seem to start it with service greenhouse-sensors start
[02:20] <explodes> I'm on 16.04, but upstart doesn't seem to be installed?!
[02:21] <sxclimax> Hey folks. I need some help connecting to the internet on my home server. The server has an ethernet cable. I am able to ssh into the computer but there is no internet access. It is running lubuntu. "Destination Host Unreachable" but I can ping my router. Any ideas?
[02:21] <EldonMcGuinness> explodes: systemd perhaps
[02:22] <explodes> EldonMcGuinness: `systemd` command is found. how would I start the service?
[02:22] <explodes> I need a /etc/init.d file for that one, dont i?
[02:22] <EldonMcGuinness> sxclimax: try `tracepath 8.8.8.8`
[02:23] <Jordan_U> sxclimax: Please pastebin the output of "route -n".
[02:24] <EldonMcGuinness> explodes: systemd should also work with init.d scripts I believe
[02:24] <EldonMcGuinness> explodes: What happens when you try to start your service?
[02:25] <explodes> Unit greenhouse-sensors.service not found
[02:25] <sxclimax> https://pastebin.com/twZ3wCgu
[02:25] <explodes> I think I need to make this unit file first
[02:25] <sxclimax> EldonMcGuiness: the results are here – https://pastebin.com/twZ3wCgu
[02:25] <sxclimax> Jordan_U: the results are here – https://pastebin.com/twZ3wCgu
[02:27] <EldonMcGuinness> It looks like you're not even getting past your router/modem
[02:28] <Jordan_U> sxclimax: Are you really connected to a router, or just to a modem?
[02:29] <sxclimax> Jordan_U: I must be connected to my router. I am able to ssh into the computer.
[02:29] <sxclimax> EldonMcGuiness: why might that be?
[02:29] <Jordan_U> sxclimax: OK. Is there more than one device that can access the internet at a time?
[02:29] <EldonMcGuinness> what is the IP of your router?
[02:29] <sxclimax> 192.168.1.1
[02:30] <sxclimax> Jordan_U: Yes. My phone plus laptop, for example
[02:30] <EldonMcGuinness> then something is not right, your routing tables show 192.168.1.200 as your gateway
[02:30] <EldonMcGuinness> that should be 192.168.1.1 if that is the routers IP
[02:30] <EldonMcGuinness> The !H in the trace path means the host is not reachable
[02:31] <Jordan_U> sxclimax: Is your server connecting via DHCP or with a static configuration?
[02:32] <sxclimax> EldonMcGuinness: 192.168.1.200 is the server (on which I cannot connect to the internet). How do I change my gateway to 192.168.1.1 (which is my router)?
[02:32] <sxclimax> Jordan_U: I'm not sure
[02:32] <sxclimax> Jordan_U: Actually, I am pretty sure –  a static configuration
[02:33] <EldonMcGuinness> it is likely misconfigured
[02:33] <EldonMcGuinness> try changing your gateway in the setup to 192.168.1.1
[02:33] <Jordan_U> sxclimax: Then your static configuration, most likely in /etc/network/interfaces , has the wrong default gateway.
[02:33] <sxclimax> EldonMcGuiness: where is that configuration? In the router or on the server?
[02:34] <EldonMcGuinness> if you setup the "server" as static then as Jordan_U said
[02:34] <Jordan_U> sxclimax: Also though, be sure that 192.168.1.200 isn't within the range of ip addresses that your router's DHCP server will give out to other clients.
[02:34] <sxclimax> Jordan_U: it's not in that range. Thanks.
[02:35] <sxclimax> Jordan_U: how would I change this to be correct? https://pastebin.com/W0vJv1Um
[02:39] <EldonMcGuinness> change network to gateway
[02:40] <sxclimax> EldonMcGuiness, I changed my interfaces file to: https://pastebin.com/rmStg5bP
[02:41] <sxclimax> EldonMcGuiness: but I still don't have internet. Is there a reset command I need to try?
[02:41] <EldonMcGuinness> ifdown eth0
[02:41] <EldonMcGuinness> ifup eth0
[02:41] <EldonMcGuinness> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[02:41] <Jordan_U> sxclimax: If you're at a local terminal, "sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0".
[02:41] <EldonMcGuinness> give that a read :)
[02:42] <Jordan_U> sxclimax: If you're connected only via ssh, then you'll want to be a little more careful.
[02:48] <sxclimax> Gentlemen, I have internet! Thanks!
[02:49] <ruby32> sxclimax: what was the issue? i use lubuntu mainly and i've had internet issues before (though not recently)
[02:49] <sxclimax> My interfaces file was not configured correctly
[03:04] <strive> Lubuntu seems to be widely used...
[03:05] <b4r> minimalism is the trend?
[03:05] <strive> I concur.
[03:05] <b4r> it lacks context
[03:06] <b4r> minimalism is good for some things?
[03:07] <inflex> Strange question, ever since I've migrated to 17.04, I never get any apt updates/upgrades for the main system.  I can run apt update / upgrade, but nothing new comes through.  Even the /var/log/apt/history files are basically empty.
[03:07] <strive> 17.04 is just that nice.
[03:07] <b4r> reference: minimalism
[03:08] <strive> loll
[03:08] <b4r> inflex~  would you consider writing shell scripts and cronjobs to create the automatic updating you were familiar with?
[03:09] <kostkon> inflex, what about in /var/log/dpkg.loh
[03:09] <kostkon> .log*
[03:10] <inflex> kostkon, ah, now that looks more like it
[03:10] <inflex> Still very minimalistic
[03:10] <inflex> only about 5.7k
[03:11] <inflex> oh, it's rolled auto, so yep, that should be fine then
[03:11] <kostkon> inflex, well 17.04 came out like 2 months ago
[03:11] <inflex> ja, but new release distros usually have a surge of updates for the first few months :)
[03:11] <inflex> but it's okay, May has 31K, so I think we're good
[03:12] <kostkon> inflex, that's usually not the case with Ubuntu
[03:12] <inflex> Sorry about that, my fault for looking at the old system
[03:12] <kostkon> inflex, np
[03:12] <b4r> inflex~  curious, what's the kernel version used on 17.04 now?
[03:12] <inflex> 212K gzip compressed April log ;)
[03:13] <inflex> b4r, I've got 4.10.12-041012-generic
[03:13] <Almoxarife> inflex: does 17.xx have a mail list?
[03:13] <inflex> b4r, but I know I had to forcibly push that up because I was having daily hard locks on the initial default kernel 17.04 came out with
[03:13] <b4r> oh I see
[03:13] <b4r> inflex~  tyvm for ze info
[03:13] <inflex> you're welcome :D
[03:14] <inflex> Almoxarife, possibly, I've never checked.
[03:14] <Almoxarife> inflex: i would expect they chat about what is coming out/fixed/updated etc
[03:15] <inflex> That would be true.   In this case, just a situation where a person has been looking at the wrong files (me ;) ).  Thought it was absurdly strange that I'd not seen many updates.  Thanks again all.
[03:22] <Bashing-om> inflex: If I am not mistaken " unattended-upgrades" are in effect; in that case you will not see the upgrades ; less /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log .
[03:43] <cryptocrap> so...I accidentally installed two versions of the same package with dpkg
[03:44] <cryptocrap> and it won't let me remove the old one, or the new one
[03:45] <cryptocrap> how to remove specific versions of a package?
[03:46] <cryptocrap> nobody?
[03:51] <azizLIGHT> cryptocrap:
[03:51] <azizLIGHT> cryptocrap: afaik theres a way to do apt-get remove with specific version using equal sign and version number
[03:52] <azizLIGHT> i beleive it is like apt-get remove package=version
[03:53] <azizLIGHT> my /var/log/kern.log file and /var/log/syslog files are getting huge and taking up a lot of space on my drive. can i delete or edit or trim them down to take up less space on my rootfs /
[03:54] <strive> cryptocrap: Have you tried apt-get --help ?
[03:54] <cryptocrap> A good idea, and what I probably should have done to install it in the first place, but it doesn't work
[03:55] <cryptocrap> The problem is that I've installed a future version of a library with plenty of dependencies
[03:55] <cryptocrap> and it won't let me remove the library because it would break the dependancy chain
[03:55] <EldonMcGuinness> you could remove them all the autoremove
[03:55] <EldonMcGuinness> then install the one you want
[03:56] <EldonMcGuinness> *then autoremove
[03:56] <cryptocrap> it's libgcrypt20
[03:56] <cryptocrap> I don't really think that's a good idea...
[03:56] <cryptocrap> hmm
[03:59] <EldonMcGuinness> the = sign should do it
[03:59] <EldonMcGuinness> at least it is in the man
[04:00] <k_sze> If I want to enable SecureBoot, how do I identify the drivers/kernel modules that fail to load because of missing signature?
[04:00] <k_sze> (or missing key)
[04:03] <azizLIGHT> anyone know about my log file issue
[04:03] <JustFixMyWifi> Why I can connect to some wifi networks but no others using lubuntu?
[04:03] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: are any of them 5g?
[04:04] <JustFixMyWifi> Nyet.
[04:04] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: were you able to connect to them before you installed lubuntu?
[04:05] <EldonMcGuinness> azizLIGHT: They should be rotated, if they are large then you might want to look in and see why
[04:06] <mikeymop> azizLIGHT: I dont see why you cant erase them, i noticed lamp compresses the log to a .gz and then appends a number
[04:06] <mikeymop> why dont you use this methodology
[04:06] <JustFixMyWifi> The wifi was working. Then left the laptop down for 3 months. Then fixed it. Then thought that the wireless card was dead. Then went to the laptop hospital and managed to connect to their wifi.
[04:06] <JustFixMyWifi> BUt still can't connect to the one at home.
[04:06] <JustFixMyWifi> I am confused.
[04:06] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: "Then fixed it" elaborate
[04:07] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: what problem did you have after leaving it alone, and what did you do to "fix" it?
[04:07] <JustFixMyWifi> Had to replace cooler, power button card and charger.
[04:07] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: that all just broke?
[04:08] <mikeymop> sometimes the hammer method works, yknow?
[04:08] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: did you change anything regarding your wireless adaptor
[04:08] <JustFixMyWifi> No.
[04:08] <JustFixMyWifi> The cooler was dead.
[04:08] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: What model wireless card do you have?
[04:09] <JustFixMyWifi> Then I fucked up the power butto card.
[04:09] <JustFixMyWifi> Then the charger went dead.
[04:09] <JustFixMyWifi> ATHEROS-AR5BXB63
[04:10] <azizLIGHT> EldonMcGuinness: I know why they are large
[04:10] <cryptocrap> paste the output of "lspci -a" to pastebin and send me a link
[04:11] <cryptocrap> @JustFixMyWifi
[04:11] <azizLIGHT> What is the safest way to get them out of live usage so I can trim down the useless lines (ddrescue on scratched up CD)
[04:11] <EldonMcGuinness> I would just `echo "" > file`
[04:12] <EldonMcGuinness> if they are truely useless lines
[04:12] <azizLIGHT> Can i do sed delete line on it
[04:12] <JustFixMyWifi> invalid option -- 'a'
[04:13] <azizLIGHT> There's tons of buffer I/o messages. Around 800 mb of error messages
[04:13] <azizLIGHT> That's 800mb of plain text
[04:13] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: ehe...my bad, just "lspci"
[04:14] <JustFixMyWifi> Second, gotta get a IRC client there.
[04:15] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: at pastebin??
[04:16] <azizLIGHT> EldonMcGuinness: my issue is that theyre still unrotated and im not sure editing while the log is live, is a good idea
[04:16] <azizLIGHT> care to comment?
[04:16] <cryptocrap> azizLIGHT: liveCD+chroot??
[04:16] <azizLIGHT> theyre still called kern.log and syslog, not kern.log.1.gz or syslog.1.gz
[04:17] <azizLIGHT> cryptocrap: hmmm yea ok ill try that
[04:17] <cryptocrap> azizLIGHT: or actually don't chroot,
[04:17] <azizLIGHT> just straight up edit right
[04:17] <cryptocrap> azizLIGHT: just mount the system and rotate the logs
[04:17] <JustFixMyWifi> 8Uz52zv6
[04:17] <azizLIGHT> i livecvd
[04:17] <azizLIGHT> *in livecd
[04:17] <azizLIGHT> JustFixMyWifi: is that your wifi password
[04:17] <azizLIGHT> or nickserv
[04:18] <JustFixMyWifi> pastebin.com/8Uz52zv6
[04:18] <azizLIGHT> oh ok phew
[04:18] <cryptocrap> lol...
[04:18] <JustFixMyWifi> That is not a bad wifi password.
[04:18] <azizLIGHT> its short enough to remember, given how random it is
[04:19] <azizLIGHT> bus on 52" rims with a v6
[04:19] <azizLIGHT> yep...
[04:20] <JustFixMyWifi> Is there any chance that a slightly magnetized screw is fucking the wifi up?
[04:20] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: would you happen to have an Acer Aspire One?
[04:20] <cryptocrap> ...no
[04:20] <azizLIGHT> 8uz = bus, 52z = 52" rims, v6 = engine
[04:20] <JustFixMyWifi> cryptocrap: Yes, D150.
[04:21] <freakyy> will wayland + nvidia properity drivers work together in ubuntu-gnome 17.04?
[04:21] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: https://askubuntu.com/questions/90658/wireless-with-a-ar242x-ar542x-atheros-wireless-adapter-doesnt-work-on-an-acer#92538
[04:22] <EldonMcGuinness> You should be able to sed the files just fine
[04:22] <cryptocrap> freakyy: I'd love to know, probably not, but it's certainly possible
[04:22] <freakyy> do i just switch to wayland then
[04:22] <freakyy> ?
[04:22] <freakyy> wai till try, brb
[04:23] <cryptocrap> freakyy: Why, do you need wayland or something?
[04:23] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: let me know if it doens't work
[04:24] <freakyy> Just wanna go with time
[04:24] <JustFixMyWifi> I am on it.
[04:24] <JustFixMyWifi> Rebooting.
[04:24] <EldonMcGuinness> you can also force them to rotate out then edit away if ya like
[04:25] <EldonMcGuinness> logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
[04:25] <EldonMcGuinness> azizLIGHT: ^
[04:26] <EldonMcGuinness> cryptocrap: I have one of those, complete trash
[04:26] <EldonMcGuinness> the video driver is closed source and will not work on anything but windows7. Atleast the one I have is.
[04:26] <JustFixMyWifi> No joy.
[04:26] <JustFixMyWifi> Same thing.
[04:26] <JustFixMyWifi> Detects networks.
[04:27] <JustFixMyWifi> Keeps asking for password when trying to connect.
[04:27] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: Good news, your driver probably works
[04:28] <JustFixMyWifi> cryptocrap: As I said, I managed to connect to another network earlier today.
[04:28] <EldonMcGuinness> perhaps your router is using a differnt form of authentication that your adapter does not support?
[04:28] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: Did you by any chance tick the box that said something about proprietary software during installation?
[04:28] <EldonMcGuinness> what is your router set to use for auth? have you tried just turning off protection and see if it will connect?
[04:29] <JustFixMyWifi> EldonMcGuinness: Turned auth down, no joy either.
[04:30] <EldonMcGuinness> Turn auth off, see if that works
[04:30] <cryptocrap> hmm
[04:30] <EldonMcGuinness> Check for mac limiting as well
[04:31] <cryptocrap> EldonMcGuinness: I never really used anything other than a Dell
[04:32] <b4r> excellent singer
[04:33] <JustFixMyWifi> I am scared.
[04:34] <JustFixMyWifi> What if commies take my wifi after I disable the auth?
[04:34] <cryptocrap> I know, br4 has terrible taste in music
[04:34] <cryptocrap> ehhh
[04:35] <cryptocrap> honestly, I'd go ask ubuntu questions
[04:35] <EldonMcGuinness> I think you'll be ok.
[04:35] <EldonMcGuinness> ;)
[04:35] <cryptocrap> ">;)"
[04:36] <cryptocrap> tbh unless your neighbors are suspicious geeks, you're fine
[04:36] <JustFixMyWifi> Ok
[04:36] <JustFixMyWifi> Heregoesnothing
[04:37] <cryptocrap> worst case scenario, your neighbor's kid hooks his phone up in search of a better connection
[04:37] <cryptocrap> just remember to turn it back on afterwards
[04:38] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: so, Joy?
[04:39] <JustFixMyWifi> I DID IT
[04:39] <JustFixMyWifi> THESHIELDSAREDOWN
[04:39] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: but does your laptop care?
[04:40] <JustFixMyWifi> But it stillwontconnect
[04:40] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: https://askubuntu.com/
[04:41] <cryptocrap> JustFixMyWifi: sorry dude, It's out of my depth
[04:41] <JustFixMyWifi> I bought anewcard for $3.
[04:41] <JustFixMyWifi> It shoudlarrive in twomonths
[04:42] <cryptocrap> did you google how well it works with linux?
[04:42] <JustFixMyWifi> Maybe itwillworkinmy gf  pklace
[04:42] <JustFixMyWifi> This netbook is supposed to work just fine.
[04:42] <JustFixMyWifi> Entirely.
[04:42] <b4r> that's always a good excuse
[04:42] <EldonMcGuinness> if you can not connect with no authentication then either your card is borked, hardware or just something with your setup, your router is borked, or they are incompatible for some reason
[04:42] <EldonMcGuinness> You could try to boot a live cd and try there
[04:42] <b4r> "can I test you 'wifi'?"
[04:43] <cryptocrap> ...duh
[04:43] <cryptocrap> boot the livecd
[04:43] <cryptocrap> if it doesn't work, there's your answer, if it does...
[04:43] <EldonMcGuinness> if the wifi works there then your system is borked
[04:44] <cryptocrap> Jee, liveCDs solve all problems don't they...
[04:44] <EldonMcGuinness> leave the wifi authentication off when you try the livecd too
[04:44] <cryptocrap> ^
[04:44] <EldonMcGuinness> sure do
[04:45] <cryptocrap> although I'd be surprised if a problem was that specific, to affect wireless authentication and not the rest of the wireless management
[04:46] <JustFixMyWifi> Ok, lets try the livecd withno auth.
[04:46] <JustFixMyWifi> brb
[04:49] <EldonMcGuinness> kk
[04:49] <EldonMcGuinness> Could be a pebcak error
[04:51] <Drako365_> Cryptocrap here
[04:51] <Drako365_> One moment
[04:52] <JustFixMyWifi> Nothing.
[04:52] <cryptocrap> Oh my...
[04:52] <JustFixMyWifi> I was wearing black at the laptop hospital.
[04:52] <JustFixMyWifi> And white now.
[04:52] <JustFixMyWifi> Maybe that is it.
[04:53] <b4r> find the proper god to pray to
[04:53] <cryptocrap> Go to the forums or something...
[04:53] <cryptocrap> Just to confirm, it worked when you first installed?
[04:54] <EldonMcGuinness> is this a usb wifi adapter?
[04:54] <JustFixMyWifi> EldonMcGuinness, no.
[04:54] <EldonMcGuinness> laptop?
[04:55] <JustFixMyWifi> It had a password at the hospital.
[04:55] <JustFixMyWifi> Yes.
[04:55] <EldonMcGuinness> do this in a terminal `lsusb`
[04:56] <JustFixMyWifi> It is not usb.
[04:56] <b4r> JustFixMyWifi~  trying to read up on your issue, did anyone ask what you're using to connect to the wifi?
[04:56] <b4r> regarding software
[04:56] <b4r> not hw
[04:57] <JustFixMyWifi> Default lubuntu software.
[04:57] <JustFixMyWifi> 17.04
[04:57] <b4r> so that's... NetworkManager?
[04:57] <JustFixMyWifi> Aye
[04:58] <b4r> you verify all the settings?
[04:58] <b4r> maybe security changed on those certain wireless networks and your settings don't match
[04:58] <JustFixMyWifi> I am checking the configuration of the network.
[04:59] <JustFixMyWifi> The hospital network.
[04:59] <EldonMcGuinness> b4r, turned of wifi auth an dstill can not connect
[04:59] <EldonMcGuinness> same thing on livecd
[04:59] <EldonMcGuinness> just fyi
[04:59] <b4r> ah shame
[05:00] <JustFixMyWifi> They are the same.
[05:00] <JustFixMyWifi> Even security.
[05:01] <b4r> JustFixMyWifi~  humour me and use different software other than NetworkManager?
[05:01] <JustFixMyWifi> b4r, sure, what should I try?
[05:02] <b4r> JustFixMyWifi~  try the wicd package if you would be so kind
[05:05] <JustFixMyWifi> Do I need to reboot after installing it or whatever?
[05:05] <JustFixMyWifi> Root privileges are required for the daemon bla bla bla
[05:05] <b4r> might not need to
[05:05] <b4r> and yes the daemon should be started
[05:05] <b4r> wicd-curses or wicd-gtk and authenticate to your ....network
[05:09] <JustFixMyWifi> Well,guess what?
[05:09] <b4r> wont work
[05:10] <b4r> failure
[05:10] <b4r> caputz
[05:10] <JustFixMyWifi> Totally.
[05:10] <b4r> nice
[05:10] <JustFixMyWifi> Gonna try with auth down.
[05:11] <b4r> JustFixMyWifi~  gonna guess that wont work either, sorry
[05:11] <JustFixMyWifi> It says invalid password.
[05:11] <EldonMcGuinness> ?
[05:12] <EldonMcGuinness> invalid password with auth off?
[05:12] <b4r> hrhr
[05:12] <JustFixMyWifi> Even with no security
[05:12] <EldonMcGuinness> something does not sound right there
[05:12] <JustFixMyWifi> After being stuck at validating authentication.
[05:12] <b4r> JustFixMyWifi~  are there more than one network with the same essid?
[05:12] <JustFixMyWifi> nyet
[05:13] <JustFixMyWifi> Wait
[05:13] <JustFixMyWifi> I wasusingwicdwithencryption on
[05:13] <b4r> nub
[05:14] <b4r> jk jk
[05:14] <JustFixMyWifi> Now it is stuck at obtainignIP address.
[05:14] <b4r> probably wont work then
[05:15] <JustFixMyWifi> Are the sd wirelesscards any good?
[05:15] <EldonMcGuinness> sd? as in securedisc?
[05:16] <EldonMcGuinness> or secure digital rather.
[05:16] <b4r> wow
[05:16] <b4r> sd wireless card adapters
[05:16] <b4r> neat
[05:16] <EldonMcGuinness> I would not bother personally. I wonder if nix even supports them
[05:16] <EldonMcGuinness> just get a usb one
[05:16] <EldonMcGuinness> those tend to do well
[05:17] <b4r> does the "lock" featr on the card prevent it from working?
[05:17] <JustFixMyWifi> Damn.
[05:17] <JustFixMyWifi> It won`t go past obtaining IP address.
[05:18] <b4r> ye it'll keep trying
[05:18] <JustFixMyWifi> There was another oldlaptop
[05:18] <JustFixMyWifi> that locatedmy wifi
[05:18] <JustFixMyWifi> but failed to connect
[05:18] <JustFixMyWifi> similar erros
[05:18] <EldonMcGuinness> try windows? :P
[05:18] <JustFixMyWifi> Probably has something to do with the router.
[05:19] <JustFixMyWifi> EldonMcGuinness, tried at win7and 10.
[05:19] <b4r> did you try iOS?
[05:19] <b4r> JustFixMyWifi~  got MAC blocking on the router?
[05:19] <JustFixMyWifi> Do I get a special achievement if I get a VM runninnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng  IOS  and suddendlyu it connects?
[05:20] <JustFixMyWifi> b4r, it is off.
[05:20] <EldonMcGuinness> Just sounds like a bad adapter, be it hardware or linux drivers, or a bad router
[05:20] <b4r> JustFixMyWifi~  /var/log/wicd/wicd.log output?
[05:21] <hateball> JustFixMyWifi: Have you ran "dmesg" after trying to connect, see if it complains
[05:21] <hateball> What chipset is it?
[05:22] <JustFixMyWifi> https://pastebin.com/KED0kAUh
[05:27] <JustFixMyWifi> Ohwell.
[05:27] <JustFixMyWifi> So that is how utter defeat tastes like.
[05:27] <b4r> gotta wait for a new hope
[05:28] <EldonMcGuinness> Well not complete defeat, depending on how far you want to go
[05:28] <EldonMcGuinness> Do you have another device in the house that is working with the wifi?
[05:28] <JustFixMyWifi> yes
[05:28] <JustFixMyWifi> Like
[05:29] <JustFixMyWifi> A dell laptop, a chromebook, two smartphones and another two random laptops
[05:29] <JustFixMyWifi> connect just fine
[05:31] <EldonMcGuinness> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1156441
[05:31] <EldonMcGuinness> perhaps try this
[05:32] <EldonMcGuinness> More specifically https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1156441&p=7280398#post7280398
[05:37] <JustFixMyWifi> Ok.
[05:38] <JustFixMyWifi> Onelast hail mary
[05:38] <JustFixMyWifi> here I go
[05:38]  * b4r read the thread
[05:43] <b4r> Justfixmywifi~  the verdict?
[05:44] <Justfixmywifi> Life is pain.
[05:45] <Justfixmywifi> Is something like http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-Wireless-USB-Adapter-LAN-Wifi-Dongle-f-Raspberry-Pi-802-11b-g-n-150Mbps-DK-/152489797618?var=&hash=item238119a7f2:m:mVST_TyKCVL55ZXLbs-bajg good enough?
[05:48] <Justfixmywifi> Like, if I am buying a wireless usb card for lubuntu, do I need to be picky?
[05:49] <EldonMcGuinness> I would check online for known working adapters
[05:50] <Justfixmywifi> I can get 3 random chinese ones for free.]
[05:50] <Justfixmywifi> One has to work, right?
[05:50] <EldonMcGuinness> Not if they all use the same chipset and the chipset does not work
[05:50] <EldonMcGuinness> The thing to remember is lots of devices use the same chipsets
[05:50] <Justfixmywifi> Have some faith.
[05:50] <Justfixmywifi> I also bought the original card.
[05:50] <EldonMcGuinness> psh
[05:51] <Justfixmywifi> SOMETHING has to work.
[05:52] <Justfixmywifi> I just spent 3 hours trying to fix something that $3 would solve.
[05:52] <Justfixmywifi> I feel dirty.
[05:52] <EldonMcGuinness> https://wikidevi.com/wiki/DNI:USB_WiFi_adapters_w/_probable_Linux_support
[05:52] <EldonMcGuinness> notice, probable :D
[05:52] <Justfixmywifi> Either they will all work.
[05:52] <Justfixmywifi> Or the 4 will fail.
[05:53] <EldonMcGuinness> https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=linux+wifi+usb
[05:53] <EldonMcGuinness> some of those say they support ubuntu
[05:53] <EldonMcGuinness> so go from there
[05:56] <Justfixmywifi> EldonMcGuinness:  But we are not supposed to shop from amazon.
[05:57] <EldonMcGuinness> says whom, and I did not say you had to shop there, just giving you a list of HW that claims to work
[05:57] <EldonMcGuinness> buy it where ever you like :P
[05:57] <EldonMcGuinness> Seriously, why are we not shopping there?
[05:57] <Justfixmywifi> https://stallman.org/amazon.html
[06:01] <EldonMcGuinness> Seriously, what company does not do that today.
[06:01] <Justfixmywifi> What, exactly?
[06:01] <EldonMcGuinness> basically everything on the list
[06:02] <EldonMcGuinness> Size, there are lots of HUGE companies that block out the ability for smaller companies. If you don't like this then sure don't buy from them. But honestly if people stood on this principle no one would by cars either.
[06:03] <Justfixmywifi> Oh, you are trying to look for something beyond the comical value.
[06:03] <EldonMcGuinness> Sabotaging Customers, This is again a no brainer. If you keep sending things back then it is costing them money
[06:03] <Justfixmywifi> Do not do that, that is not how Stallman works.
[06:03] <EldonMcGuinness> ahh ok
[06:04] <Justfixmywifi> Feel free to read the whole "what is bad about..." for giggles.
[06:04]  * EldonMcGuinness goes back to watching Plex
[06:06] <azizLIGHT> EldonMcGuinness: thats a good idea. a lot easier to just force rotate than editing under livecd haha
[06:07] <EldonMcGuinness> azizLIGHT: Indeed
[06:07] <EldonMcGuinness> btw great 5th Element reference
[06:07] <azizLIGHT> :)
[06:08] <Mrokii> Hello. I have a problem with "reiserfsck". I tried it like so: "reiserfsck /dev/sdb1" to check a harddisk. I get a text "Will read-only check consistency of the filesystem on /dev/sdb1" and a question if I want to run the programm. But when I type yes, it just exits, without checking anything.
[06:14] <Almoxarife> Mrokii: when i see 'read only' i wonder if the issue is something mounted
[06:15] <Mrokii> Almoxarife: The HD is unmounted, if that's what you're referring to.
[06:15] <Mrokii> I mean, I used "umount /dev/sdb1" before the check-command.
[06:16] <Almoxarife> Mrokii: ok, does it need sudo/su?
[06:16] <Mrokii> Almoxarife: I tried with and without sudo. My fault, I should have mentioned that.
[06:16] <EldonMcGuinness> perhaps try `reiserfsck --check /dev/sdb1`
[06:17] <EldonMcGuinness> then when it is done do `echo $?`
[06:17] <Mrokii> EldonMcGuinness: Just tried, same result.
[06:17] <EldonMcGuinness> what does it say
[06:17] <EldonMcGuinness> should be a number
[06:17] <Mrokii> EldonMcGuinness: 16
[06:17] <EldonMcGuinness> https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/8-reiserfsck/
[06:18] <EldonMcGuinness> Usage or syntax error
[06:18] <Mrokii> huh... okay. Maybe the man-page can give me a hint.
[06:19] <EldonMcGuinness> Are you sure /dev/sdb1 is the right drive/partition
[06:20] <Mrokii> EldonMcGuinness: I checked it with "df"
[06:21] <Mrokii> It's definitely "/dev/sdb1"
[06:21] <EldonMcGuinness> No idea mate, are you running it with sudo?
[06:21] <Mrokii> yes
[06:43] <sebsebseb> hi
[06:56] <sebsebseb> n
[07:45] <sebsebseb> wow  so dead in here again this morning but possibly worse than usual even it seems
[07:46] <Ben64> that just means there are no problems
[07:47] <sebsebseb> Ben64: or that many people are sleeping and off to do other things to, work, education etc
[07:48] <sebsebseb> Ben64: I think many people who come in here are from North America and night there
[07:49] <sebsebseb> and early ish morning in Europe on a week day
[07:51] <cancel123> hello guys yesterday i  delete fully windows partition then i enter update-grub and i reboot but afyer reboot the bios cant detect my hard disk
[07:53] <EriC^^> cancel123: how did you delete your windows partition
[07:53] <cancel123> with gnome-disk
[07:53] <EriC^^> cancel123: ok try booting a live usb
[07:53] <EriC^^> and come back here
[07:54] <cancel123> i try it ubuntu live can detect but bios cant
[07:58] <cancel123> no one can help?
[07:59] <hateball> cancel123: looked to me like EriC^^ was trying to
[08:00] <EriC^^> cancel123: are you on ubuntu live right now?
[08:16] <kk__> hi
[08:18] <kk__> does anyone use puppet?
[08:19] <kk__> r+
[08:30] <ashgenesis> Hello
[08:31] <ashgenesis> When we configured unattended-upgrade for security concern and for example upgrade apache or nginx etc.. is it a hard restart or a graceful restart for the service ?
[08:32] <Ben64> should be a nice one
[08:41] <bluewolf> Good day, I am running Ubuntu 16.04 Gnome on my Desktop. I left my computer for 15 min and upon my return it had gone to sleep. When I tried to return to my work and enter my password. It was not engaging and ended up freezing. With nothing else I could do I was forced to restart it. Now when it starts up, it gives me an Nividia screen before going onto a Unity type log on screen. When I try loging in, the screen scrambles before returning to the log o
[08:41] <bluewolf> n screen. I don't know what else to do?
[08:44] <Mrokii> Hello. Is there a special "hardware"-room on IRC? I have a problem that may be hardware-related but I'm not sure.
[08:44] <bazhang> ##hardware
[08:45] <Mrokii> okay, thanks.
[08:45] <Mrokii> easy enough. :)
[08:49] <minimec> bluewolf: Hmmm... maybe try to "mv .ICEauthority .ICEauthority-backup" in your user home directory in a console (ctrl+alt+F1). Switch back to the login screen (alt+F7) and try to login again.
[08:51] <tomreyn> bluewolf: sounds like you have an incompatible, misconfigured or broken proprietary nvidia driver installed for the kernel and userland versions you are running.
[08:53] <bluewolf> minimec: Am I to enter "mv .ICEauthority .ICEauthority-backup" as is?
[08:53] <bluewolf> tomreyn: Then what would have caused it to go that way?
[08:54] <minimec> bluewolf: Yes. That should work. it just renames the file...
[08:56] <tomreyn> bluewolf: if you (or your computer automatically) either upgraded the (then previously installed) nvidia driver or kernel or X to a newer version, yes. I don't understand how minimec's approach would help, but I don't use nvidia so maybe try that first, since it's a lot easier.
[08:56] <tomreyn> if that fails, https://askubuntu.com/questions/760997/how-to-recover-from-a-nvidia-fail-on-ubuntu-16-04
[08:57] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:58] <bluewolf> minimec: It failed to log in
[08:59] <minimec> tomreyn: bluewolf: The .ICEauthority file (.Xauthority in earlier versions) is used during user session login. My approach was, that the file might be somehow corrupted, and therefore login fails...
[09:00] <bluewolf> minimec: Says "Login incorrect"
[09:00] <bluewolf> So what next, follow the link?
[09:02] <bluewolf> On a fresh install, my PC kept freezing until I installed the GPU drivers
[09:02] <bluewolf> But it did not stick on the log on screen like it is now
[09:03] <tomreyn> minimec: but would an interprocess communication failure result in a scrambled screen?
[09:04] <tomreyn> on the other hand, if the login prompt is already graphical, it may not be a driver issue either
[09:05] <tomreyn> it may be best to take a look at /var/log/Xorg.*.log and check whether there are any '(EE)' lines there
[09:05] <tomreyn> as well as to look at erro messaeges in ~/.xsession-errors.
[09:05] <tomreyn> and he's gone.
[09:05] <minimec> bluewolf: 'login incorrect' means that you entered a wrong password imho...
[09:06] <minimec> tomreyn: I see that too now...
[09:11] <Bluewolf> tomreyn: minimec: Sorry about that. The mv .ICEauthority .ICEauthority-backup didn't do anything. It still fails to log in?
[09:12] <minimec> bluewolf: 'login incorrect' means that you entered a wrong password imho...
 it may be best to take a look at /var/log/Xorg.*.log and check whether there are any '(EE)' lines there
[09:12] <Bluewolf> minimec: That was a mistake on my part. I entered it correctly
 as well as to look at error messages in ~/.xsession-errors.
[09:13] <Bluewolf> tomreyn: Okay I don't know how to do that, would you mind guiding me through?
[09:13] <minimec> Bluewolf: ok.
[09:15] <tomreyn> Bluewolf: ctrl-alt-f1, login, then run: ls -l /var/log/Xorg.*.log; then for each of those files which was recently updated, run 'less /var/log/FILENAME' (where you replace FILENAME by the name of a recently updated file).
[09:16] <tomreyn> while running less, look for lines which contain '(EE)'
[09:16] <tomreyn> you can leave the 'less' text viewer by pressing 'q'
[09:16] <jost> Hi! I am using a VPN, with some internal addresses, but have problems with DNS. For some reason, using `dig <domain>` resolves an address just fine, but when using Chrome or Firefox, the address resolution fails. Why does that happen? I'm on XUbuntu 17.04 and have set up the VPN using the network manager
[09:17] <tomreyn> Bluewolf: you can also use less to view the ~/.xsession.errors file the same way.
[09:19] <tomreyn> jost: applications will use the glibc resolver / systemd resolv rather than talking directly to the name servers which dig does. use 'ping -c1 somehostname' to test application name resolution.
[09:19] <tomreyn> (replace 'somehowstname' by a hostname of your choice, such as ubuntu.com
[09:19] <tomreyn> )
[09:20] <jost> ok... and how do I tell systemd/glibc which DNS server to use?
[09:22] <tomreyn> ...
[09:27] <jost> tomreyn: ok... and how do I tell systemd/glibc which DNS server to use?
[09:46] <bluewolf>  tomreyn: Sorry once again, please excuse my internet. ls -l /var/log/Xorg.*.log; comes up with three files: -rw-r--r-- 1 root 22048 Jun 9 11:15 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:47] <bluewolf> Followed by /var/log/Xorg.1.log and /var/log/Xorg.failsafe.log
[09:48] <bluewolf> Those are the only three to have appeared. so now how do I run the less one?
[09:51] <bluewolf> tomreyn: Or rather what am I to do next with those files?
[09:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:08] <minimec> bluewolf: As you get the session login screen, the xserver should be running ok. So no need to check the logs. If you still want to do so, you can just 'less /var/log/Xorg.0.log' for the latest xserver log. Use space to show then next 'screen'.
[10:09] <minimec> bluewolf: I would rather try to check 'journalctl' and see the logs in there when you try to login with your current user.
[10:10] <minimec> bluewolf: Other idea would be to add a new user and test login with that new user...
[10:15] <phormat> hi. i googled it, but somehow the hits lead me to a dead end. the question is: must i unmount the usb smart card reader before unplugging from Ubuntu Desktop 16.04 lts 64-bit?
[10:15] <ppf> the reader no, the individual mounted card partitions, yes
[10:17] <bluewolf> minimec: So should I run less /var/log/Xorg.0.log and do I include the whole thing?: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 22048 Jun 9 11:15 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:18] <bluewolf> so enter it like this:  'less /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[10:18] <phormat> ppf: it is not a drive. it is not a memory card. i mean a smart card for identification and authorization.
[10:19] <ppf> phormat: if it's not a drive, how would you "unmount" it then
[10:19] <minimec> bluewolf: You can even show us the whole xserver log. First install 'pastebinit' (sudo apt install pastebinit), then do "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit". You will get an url that you can share with us here...
[10:21] <minimec> bluewolf: You only run 'less /var/log/Xorg.0.log' and use the 'space' key to continue reading the log...
[10:23] <phormat> ppf: i am not so experienced in ubuntu. this IS my question: IS there a need to unmount the smart card reader and the smart card before unplugging or there is no need to unmount them? (because they are not mounted or because the reader is mounted automatically and may be unplugged without unmounted, i don't know)
[10:23] <ppf> what would "mounting" something that's not a drive even mean?
[10:24] <hateball> phormat: like ppf said, you cant mount/umount a sc-reader
[10:24] <hateball> plug one in, it only gets assigned under /dev
[10:25] <phormat> hateball: thanks
[10:25] <hateball> and pscsd keeps track if a card/reader is present or not
[10:25] <hateball> so nothing to worry about really !
[10:29] <phormat> ppf: the reason i ask is because i am not so experienced in linux. i have damaged one usb flash memory because i had not unmounted. (makes sense) BUT i have also damaged two smart card readers and i do not know why: because these were low quality hardware or because they must be mounted.
[10:29] <bluewolf> minimec: Hm when I run 'less /var/log/Xorg.0.log' is comes back with: -bash: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory. Am I doing something wrong?
[10:29] <ppf> maybe you're unplugging them too roughly :)
[10:34] <minimec> bluewolf: Hmmm... You wrote before that that file exists. Maybe 'cd /var/log', then 'less Xorg.0.log'. Again... I would rather try to 'sudo adduser test' and then try to do a graphical login with that new user 'test'.
[10:39] <bluewolf> minimec: Okay I added the user 'test' and tried another graphical login. Its doing the same thing as the other user
[10:39] <bluewolf> The screen scrambles and then returns to the log in
[10:43] <minimec> bluewolf: Ok. So the user account seems ok, and there is indeed a problem with the system. So you could show us the Xorg log as described above with 'pastebinit'. Also it would be interesting to se the logs of 'journalctl'. For the journalctl logs it should be ok to do "sudo journalctl --since today | pastebinit".
[10:50] <Bluewolf> minimec: http:paste.ubuntu.com/24814776/
[10:53] <fiter> I have win10 with ubuntu, how can I access ubuntu home directory from windows ??
[10:53] <hateball> fiter: ask in ##windows if there's a way to read ext4 partitions
[10:54] <minimec> fiter: You cannot, because Windows cannot read the filesystem (ext4 used as default) normally...
[10:55] <LuckyGoldstar> https://www.howtogeek.com/112888/3-ways-to-access-your-linux-partitions-from-windows/
[10:55] <LuckyGoldstar> This link could be helpful.
[10:57] <minimec> Bluewolf: The log of the xserver seems ok. What about the log of 'journalctl'?
[10:58] <Bluewolf> minimec: Ah do I enter that as is? 'journalctl'
[10:59] <akik> LuckyGoldstar: ok nice that it can read ext4. i've been wondering about it. can it also write on ext4?
[10:59] <akik> LuckyGoldstar: i meant ext2fsd
[10:59] <minimec> Bluewolf: sudo journalctl --since today
[11:00] <minimec> Bluewolf: sudo journalctl --since today | pastebinit
[11:01] <LuckyGoldstar> It can also write.
[11:01] <LuckyGoldstar> You need to enable write at setup.
[11:02] <akik> LuckyGoldstar: i've been using it with ext3 until now
[11:02] <Bluewolf> minimec: It might be worth me mentioning that this happened yesterday. I could not get on for help. So does the command remain the same?
[11:03] <minimec> Bluewolf: Well... you tried to login multiple times today. So I guess we should be good with the given command.
[11:03] <m4dh4tt4> Has anyone tried "$ apt install torbrowser-launcher " on ubuntu lately? I'm getting this on several machines : http://imgur.com/a/jRyCA "signature verification failed, you might be under attack etc etc or network problem" I  can't find any evidence of tampering. Broken package or what?
[11:05] <Bluewolf> minimec: Alright, be back.
[11:08] <CuteDestroyer4> My Elitebook 8470p is having problems booting the USB with Ubuntu. I have tried BIOS tricks with both Legacy BIOS and UEFI, along with fastboot off and secureboot off. ran out of suggestions from Google. I use a new ISO from UBUNTU official website, used rufus to write it to the USB. With UEFI I get to a "choose" screen but it is empty without even WIN to choose
[11:08] <LuckyGoldstar> m4dh4tt4: Have you tried installing torbrowser-launcher before?
[11:09] <m4dh4tt4> first time, i normally grab the tar.gz off torproject
[11:09] <m4dh4tt4> but i tried it in a clean vm, same results
[11:10] <Bluewolf> minimec: Hm it failed to contact the server (Errno socket error) is that the system or my internet?
[11:10] <Bluewolf> Because my net seems normal now
[11:11] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: try the dd write mode in rufus, which you can activate with alt-i
[11:12] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: just did. It goes to a blank choose EFI file screen
[11:12] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: did not use alt-1 just choose DD in dropdown, is this different ?
[11:13] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: it's probably the same then if it says dd
[11:14] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: what is this "choose" screen you get?
[11:14] <pieracuti> hi. problem with my ubuntustudio 17.04 apter upgrading kernel to 4.10.0-22.24.  booting freezes.  I can only boot with 4.10.0-21, and then nothing shows up of previous booting freeze in journalctl.
[11:14] <minimec> Bluewolf: Do you connect to that machine via 'ssh'?
[11:14] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: tried DD with bios mode UEFI (without CMS) I get a "Select file system" screen, with a paragraph that says "Selevt file system" but nothing to select
[11:15] <Bluewolf> minimec: ssh?
[11:16] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: do you mean in rufus?
[11:16] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: No rusus writes file file, when restarting- in Bios mode UEFI with and also without CSM, I get select File system menu...but nothing to select
[11:17] <m4dh4tt4> @LuckyGoldstar any ideas? i tried it in a clean vm? even checked the validity of the ssl cert
[11:17] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: so you don't even get grub when booting the usb stick?
[11:18] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: Grup is the system loader screen menu, yes ? No I get BIOS only
[11:18] <LuckyGoldstar> m4dh4tt4: I am currently trying to figure this out. Just tried installing on my device, same error.
[11:18] <m4dh4tt4> cutedestroyer4 are u perhaps using an nvidia graphics card?
[11:18] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: grub is the software that boots the linux kernel
[11:18] <minimec> Bluewolf: Ok. So no... ;) Try to show us these journalctl logs... I guess that would help.
[11:18] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: maybe you need to find which key press gives you the boot menu and then select the usb stick from that menu
[11:19] <m4dh4tt4> im installinf via the tor service to see if diff results
[11:20] <ntd> anyone running an up-to-date 16.04 installation and willing to post hashes of the files in /usr/share/fonts/opentype/noto/?
[11:20] <LuckyGoldstar> CuteDestroyer4: Is there a boot order setting in the UEFI?
[11:20] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: on a trial windows, I cannot access the Graphics info....any way to check ?
[11:21] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: Nothing is shown on Screen. I have tried key strokes that "should" be correct (In my case, arrows) but no dice
[11:21] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: m4dh4tt4 asked you about the gfx card
[11:21] <m4dh4tt4> also during in install it saying "something during install made /var/log/tor disappear" also how the eff do i reply to someone
[11:22] <ntd> here are mine, anyone willing to compare/match? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9024054
[11:22] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: the boot settings are in your computer's bios. try accessing the boot menu settings there
[11:22] <CuteDestroyer4> Lyckygodstar: boot order is set to USB first, and I get a select menu when using UEFI
[11:23] <m4dh4tt4>  cute destoryer, F1,F2,F8,F10,Delete, if its too fast to read or not written just play that shit like a piano
[11:23] <LuckyGoldstar> CuteDestroyer4: So are you booting into the USB?
[11:23] <MWM> Ive made a bit of a mistake with 7z.  I extracted a file and made a mess of the /opt directory with its contents.  Is there a way to "undo" the extraction?
[11:23] <m4dh4tt4> (nnote that if u do that too fast keyboard sometimees goes awall
[11:23] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: m4dh4tt4:  how do I check on a limited WIN ? it wont let me access any menu without upgrading  ?
[11:24] <MWM> Ideally I would like to extract the file to its own directory, not have everything thrown all over /opt
[11:24] <CuteDestroyer4> luckygoldstar: Yes but no joy, it acts like it does not recognice it at all
[11:24] <akik> ntd: https://pastebin.com/raw/QL5p309S
[11:24] <CuteDestroyer4> Luckygodstar: No joy:  Just skips to loading win
[11:25] <m4dh4tt4> cutedestroyer4 : winkey + r <enter> , devmgmt.msc<enter> -> brings up device manager
[11:25] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: can you open a administrator cmd prompt in windows?
[11:25] <CuteDestroyer4> m4dh4tt4> I can get into the boot menu no problem.
[11:26] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: oh well skip my last comment
[11:26] <ntd> akik, pastebin.mozilla.org please :)
[11:26] <akik> ntd: well that's the paste i give you. take it or leave it
[11:26] <ntd> or .debian or .ubuntu, just not pastebin.com (cloudflare)
[11:26] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: no CMD access - INTEL Graphic according to the Screen panel
[11:27] <ntd> akik, got it working
[11:27] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: i don't think it matters which gfx card you're using
[11:28] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: could you take a photo of the screen you get?
[11:28] <LuckyGoldstar> CuteDestroyer4: Try formatting the USB drive again?
[11:28] <CuteDestroyer4> LuckygoldStar: running on format no 11 and USB key no 6 all different make and models
[11:29] <Bluewolf> minimec: Had to restart the computer to get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24814920/
[11:29] <kk__> iii
[11:29] <m4dh4tt4> cutedestroyer4 you might have better luck using yumi.exe to make the usb stick, u could also try avoiding usb 3 port, try back ports or front, switch it up, play with uefi , usually almost always need csm enabled but i play with toggling the legacy + uefi vs uefi + legacy, such a pain but its just a matter of playing around,
[11:30] <m4dh4tt4> also no sense in doing all that if u dont even know if the stick boots, ideally try a diff pc to confirm stick works
[11:30] <kk__> Who has excellent Linux books?
[11:31] <Mis-anthrope> kk__: nearest wallmart!
 appreciate it, and I continue doing it, but by now I have exhausted all ports, and BIOS settings that I can see.
[11:31] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: have you tried searching the www for your computer model and "linux boot"
 only other PC I have is locked, no stick can go in without a complete reformat and BITLOCK done
[11:31] <m4dh4tt4> what stage does it get stuck at again?
[11:32] <Mis-anthrope> CuteDestroyer4: does your pc get the POST beep?
[11:32] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: Most post are about BIOS and playing around. Have followed the recipies I have found, but none worked.
[11:32] <MWM> so whats the problem?  cant install or wont boot to live image?
[11:32] <CuteDestroyer4> cant install. or boot
[11:32] <Mis-anthrope> CuteDestroyer4: so you're system just boots normally?
[11:33] <m4dh4tt4> i recommend yumi to remake the usb bro, i usually use non uefi
[11:33] <Mis-anthrope> CuteDestroyer4: even after you have a bootable drive plugged in and you are trying to enter bios?
[11:33] <MWM> and you cant access the boot menu with F12 (or whatever key is for boot menu on your board)?
[11:33] <CuteDestroyer4> Photo: https://goo.gl/photos/khs5zMxFxn65hPJR8
[11:33] <kk___> ....
[11:34] <CuteDestroyer4> m4dh4tt4: official Ubuntu recomend RUFUS, but I can try with this yummi
[11:34] <kk___> E-book
[11:34] <MWM> You used Windows to make your USB key?  what utility?
[11:34] <CuteDestroyer4> Mis-anthrope: it looks like it tries and then just loads win as normal
 can enter BIOS no pain- play around with all I think matters. used RUFUS for making USB on Win
[11:35] <m4dh4tt4> no he can get the boot well ive been using Yumi for 3 years solid and ive installed:kali,ubuntu,win7,8,10,2012, as well as a bunch of other stuff its magical, you can even run it in linux with wine
[11:35] <m4dh4tt4> +
[11:35] <CuteDestroyer4> in all fairness. I am win user trying to go Ubuntu. I am probably not too Linux savy
[11:36] <MWM> rufus and https://www.linuxliveusb.com/ have always worked for me.  did you check the Md5 of your image after downloading?
[11:36] <m4dh4tt4> do u get a purple screen at any point?
[11:36] <LuckyGoldstar> CuteDestroyer4: Do you have a picture of the RUFUS setup?
[11:36] <CuteDestroyer4>  <m4dh4tt4> No purple screen
[11:36] <m4dh4tt4> if not,remake the usb
[11:37] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: you mentioned "select file system". could you take another photo of that. i don't know in which state you would get that
[11:37] <m4dh4tt4> sounds like bios message saying it cant read it
[11:37] <kk___> 有没有中国人？
[11:38] <m4dh4tt4> youre most likely formatted oddly or something, Yumi specifically requests fat32, its point and click and will take you 5 mins dude
[11:38] <minimec> Bluewolf: So after rebooting, you did NOT try to do a graphical login with user bluewolf, right? Could you try that and and show us the journalctl log afterwards? You could do something like 'sudo journalctl --since 13:30 | pastebinit'
[11:38] <acresearch> hello people, curl is not installed by default in ubuntu 16.04?
[11:38] <CuteDestroyer4> Pic of RUFUS settings: https://goo.gl/photos/6Uwbs1kkRvLjVW9j8
[11:39] <m4dh4tt4> acresearch confirmed. dont have it either, wget or apt update && apt install curl
[11:39] <kk___> does anyone use puppet?
[11:39] <akik> CuteDestroyer4: when using rufus' dd mode you don't need to select any file system as it just writes the iso on the usb stick block by block
[11:39] <acresearch> m4dh4tt4: thanks
[11:40] <MWM> why are you formatting with GPT?
[11:40] <CuteDestroyer4> akik: file system automatically goes away when selecting
[11:40] <m4dh4tt4> bruh, whats this dd crap, try Yumi and youll be begging me for my bitcoin address to buy me a hooker
[11:40] <akik> !language
[11:40] <m4dh4tt4> sounds like a 30 step guide a beginner should be avoiding lolol
[11:40] <CuteDestroyer4> I have tried formatting with MBR for Legacy BIOS, and with both MBR and GPT. I have tried all 3 options, but ...understand only a little bit about the difference
[11:40] <eltigre> I'm running on 16.04 and like to upgrade to 17.04... but do-release-manager doesn't find any new releases... what's the problem?
[11:41] <CuteDestroyer4> AH Yumi is pendrivelinux...tried that one...
[11:42] <m4dh4tt4> bio's typicallyneed a low lvl boot sector to reach to know how to use GPT MBR(correct me if im wrong?) hence my fat 32 suggest... bruh youd be loading the os by now. lol
[11:42] <CuteDestroyer4> I just had a girlfriend try with USB and she booted up the screen no prob....on DELL though
[11:42] <akik> madprops: no need for fat32 when booting the ubuntu iso
[11:42] <MWM> https://www.linuxliveusb.com/ have you tried this one?
[11:43] <CuteDestroyer4> Lilly, Pendrivelinux, iso2usb and Rufus has been tried. Rufus USB work on Dell
[11:43] <eltigre> how can I upgrade 16.04 to 17.04??
[11:44] <BluesKaj> eltigre, you have to upgrade to 16.10 first then to 17,04. It can't be done directly so best practice is to do clean install of 17.04
[11:44] <m4dh4tt4> lower level partition*
[11:44] <Bluewolf> minimec: Hm sorry about that, didn't think of that. https://paste.ubuntu.com/24814992/
[11:44] <Bluewolf> It came up with that error again
[11:44] <eltigre> BluesKaj ok, how do I do that then?
[11:44] <eltigre> do-release-upgrade  doesn't work for me
[11:44] <MWM> same USB stick and same Ubuntu image worked on the Dell?
[11:45] <Bluewolf> So I entered it once more, must be my connection
[11:45] <BluesKaj> !clean install
[11:46] <CuteDestroyer4> FAT32 was standard for all USB as far as I can see. Only Rufus did I try with a fat (default) ...which I think is FAT32 too, but not sure
[11:48] <BluesKaj> eltigre, download a 17.04 iso and burn it to a cd or use disk creator to copy the image to a usb stick and use either of those to install 17.04...back up your important data to storage of some kind first
[11:48] <MWM> CuteDestroyer4:  when I have had 0 luck with an install sometimes I completely wipe the USB like this: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/005929en
[11:48] <MWM> and then remake it with an image which has been verified to not be corrupt (with the md5 hash).  works 100% of the time
[11:49] <m4dh4tt4> does anyone know how to start vino from ssh? getting tired of running down to my living room to login when i need remote
[11:49] <CuteDestroyer4> MWM: No luck, I use the win default format option. I am on a trial version of WIN that can do nothing untill I pay. I was counting on being on Ubuntu by now, so I would rather not pay MiCro
[11:49] <minimec> Bluewolf: Ok. Could you please do 1. 'sudo apt update', then 2. 'sudo apt upgrade', then 3. 'sudo apt install --reinstall gnome-keyring' See line 58 of your latest paste... 'gkr-pam: couldn't run gnome-keyring-daemon: No such file or directory'
[11:50] <CuteDestroyer4> mWM: only thing I have not done, is verify md5 because I am a newb. But I downloaded straight from Ubuntu site
[11:50] <m4dh4tt4> cutedestroyer4 , man , youve had 10 people suggest stuff, i will send you 5$ if yumi doesnt fix your problem in 10 minutes flat
[11:50] <MWM> CuteDestroyer4... no command prompt?
[11:50] <Bluewolf> minimec: Alright, I'm on it
[11:50] <m4dh4tt4> its also sick multiboot so if u have room u can add more stuffs later
[11:51] <m4dh4tt4> and it will even autodownload iso's for you but i have yet to try that
[11:51] <m4dh4tt4> make sure u chose format fat 32 checkbox on top right
[11:51] <CuteDestroyer4> M4dh4tt4r: Sorry, I tried pendrivelinux already--- the image I am using now works on dell. Dont think it is image, but I can try again
[11:52] <m4dh4tt4> its the only thing i trust when doing the riddiculous uefi dance lol
[11:53] <m4dh4tt4> also i have had certain model flash drives that are just bad
[11:53] <CuteDestroyer4> I will try. If not, I will be back ;)
[11:53] <CuteDestroyer4> Thx.
[11:53] <m4dh4tt4> oh if the laptop is new enough it might
[11:53] <m4dh4tt4> wait
[11:53] <MWM> Just check the md5 and make sure it matches.  Alot of times there is a mismatch somewhere and that will make the image not work correctly... even between different PCs
[11:53] <m4dh4tt4> have a xhci toggle in bios that u need either on or off
[11:53] <m4dh4tt4> one breaks usb on linux one makes it work like a dream
[11:53] <CuteDestroyer4> Uh I have seen the XHCI but not touched it
[11:53] <m4dh4tt4> so if u have that toglle away
[11:54] <m4dh4tt4> id try that before wipin drive
[11:54] <CuteDestroyer4> I will toggle away and try yumi and see if that works. THx guys
[11:54] <m4dh4tt4> np gl
[11:55] <acresearch> hello people, how can i run a script directly from github without downloading it? i remember there was a way but i forgot it
[11:57] <m4dh4tt4> wget -q -O- http://raw_link_here.sh|sh
[11:57] <oerheks> acresearch, no way, you need to download it.
[11:57] <MWM> I was gonna leave, but I gotta find out what happens with Yumi !
[11:58] <m4dh4tt4> acresearch make sure to review what youre running first, auto runing a script from a wget is considered bad security practices(in general)
[11:59] <acresearch> m4dh4tt4: how can i pass a file as arument? wget -q -O- http://raw_link_here.sh|sh {local file}?
[11:59] <m4dh4tt4> or dangereous i should say
[11:59] <acresearch> m4dh4tt4: it is my own script
[11:59] <m4dh4tt4> well does the script youre wgetting take arguments?
[11:59] <m4dh4tt4> right right
[12:00] <acresearch> m4dh4tt4: yes it is normally run as follows: python3 {script.py} {local file}
[12:01] <amosbird> hi, why does ubuntu have a uplimit of mouse speed?
[12:02] <m4dh4tt4> hmm well for starts, run 'which python', should give u a path like, /usr/bin/pyton, then add #!/usr/bin/python as first line of your script
[12:02] <acresearch> m4dh4tt4: already there
[12:02] <m4dh4tt4> then dont use python script.sh arg1
[12:03] <acresearch> m4dh4tt4: what should i use?
[12:03] <m4dh4tt4> id say wget -q -O-|sh arg1? if it doesnt work might be switches for sh,ill check
[12:04] <Bluewolf> minimec: My internet is way too slow. Its going to take about 2 hours and I'm on the upgrade now. Is the problem the gnome-keyring alone?
[12:04] <m4dh4tt4> |sh -c "arg1" maybe?
[12:04] <acresearch> m4dh4tt4: sh as in the link?
[12:05] <m4dh4tt4> no wget -q -O-|sh -c"- arg1" (maybe?
[12:05] <m4dh4tt4> the - ='s whats passed on from wget
[12:05] <acresearch> m4dh4tt4: sorry i am confused, where does the URL go?
[12:06] <minimec> Bluewolf: I hope so... ;) So take your time to upgrade. There is a chance that I am still in here. Otherwise others may be able to help.
[12:06] <m4dh4tt4> woops wget -q -O- url_here|sh -c "- arg1"
[12:07] <m4dh4tt4> bluewolf are you by chance using nvidia?
[12:07] <acresearch> m4dh4tt4: hmmm, cannot find the arg1
[12:08] <Bluewolf> m4dh4tt4: Yes I am, I have an Nvidia GT240 1GB GPU
[12:08] <m4dh4tt4> i had to disable acpi in purple menu to get my stuff going
[12:08] <MWM> I heard a rumor there was some sort of issue with AMD Gpu in 17.04... true?
[12:09] <Bluewolf> minimec: Alright I'll be on waiting. I hope so too, can't do much work. Thank you for the time and help so far.
[12:10] <oerheks> MWM, we believe you heard that
[12:10] <m4dh4tt4> bluewolf ive been trying to follow but lots of scrollin, new install or upgrade and where do u get stuck
[12:11] <MWM> oerheks:  Im just wondering if I should upgrade.  not rehashing the issue with fglrx I was in here the other day with
[12:12] <oerheks> MWM, last tumour i heard: amdgpu is working as good as on windows
[12:14] <MWM> I just checked on that rumor and apparently it was an older AMD APU that wasnt working correctly and wasnt supported in 16.04.  No biggie, just making sure my sytem will be okay in the future
[12:14] <Bluewolf> m4dh4tt4: Well in a nut shell. My PC went to sleep after being away from it. When I returned to it. I was not able to get back in after the screen had lock itself. I entered my password and it just froze. I don't know the cause and could not do anything. So I rebooted and in doing so, found that the normal Gnome log on screen had changed (To that similar to Unity) and when I entered my password. The screen scrambled and returned back to the log on scre
[12:14] <Bluewolf> en. It would not allow me to enter my session.
[12:15] <m4dh4tt4> nvidia has been the biggest pain in my neck since i moved away from windows, any pc that had an nvidia card has cost me hours of illogical frustration
[12:16] <m4dh4tt4> bluewolf can u get a tty or ssh? ctrl+alt+f2? id recommend making a new user(make sure to add him to sudo) and see if u can get in
[12:16] <Bluewolf> Funny you say that, this is perhaps the second problem I have had with it in 7 years
[12:18] <m4dh4tt4> what i do when it goes stupid is i carefully (command line) ls -al /home/user and i rename things that look like they have to do with my gui
[12:18] <Bluewolf> m4dh4tt4: I've done that and no I cant get in even with another user. And both users are fine. line 58 - https://paste.ubuntu.com/24814992/
[12:19] <m4dh4tt4> k so most likely in /etc/X11 then
[12:19] <Bluewolf> I'm no good with the command line, every time I use it (Like now) I end up spending the whole day fixing a problem
[12:19] <m4dh4tt4> i rename crap in there, usually in that dir, not the subfolders
[12:19] <Bluewolf> So I'll avoid playing with that :D
[12:19] <m4dh4tt4> can u give me an ls of /etc/X11
[12:20] <minimec> Bluewolf: Oh i See something else now. You are on Ubuntu Gnome, but you are using lightdm as session manager. After having reinstalled the 'gnome-keyring' package, you should also 'sudo apt install --reinstall gdm' (Gnome login manager) or maybe 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm' (reconfigure package). That should give you the option to choose 'gdm as login manager, instead of 'lightdm'. GDM is better when using
[12:20] <minimec> the gnome desktop manager.
[12:20] <kk___> Recommend a web site --> https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Ubuntu_16.04&p=download
[12:21] <Bluewolf> m4dh4tt4: No because the computer in question is currently updating - at 12mbps
[12:21] <m4dh4tt4> ya what he said, i had that stuff going on with linux mint it was ugly, like 2-3 display thingies going on
[12:22] <Bluewolf> minimec: Alright, will it give me the option during the install or while im on the graphical screen?
[12:23] <kk___> who has any interesting website? --
[12:23] <Bluewolf> Googles pretty good :P
[12:24] <minimec> Bluewolf: It will give you an option right in the terminal. Something like this... https://www.howtogeek.com/thumbcache/648/248/2612e4c05c67f596bf1edbbea608b618/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/WindowsLiveWriter/HowtoSwitchBetweenGDMandKDMonUbuntu_6751/configgdm.png
[12:24] <m4dh4tt4> i still dont fully understand it lol, all i know is if youre xfce you stick with xfce gui tools, if u add lightdm or  mate plugins it buundles the display manager and effectively cripples stuff
[12:25] <m4dh4tt4> bluewolf if youre doin a fresh install you shouldnt have to pick , it would typically give you a matching display manager + window manager
[12:25] <kk__> About Tcp/ip or linux
[12:26] <m4dh4tt4> but easy "might fix" is to just cd /etc/X11/
[12:26] <Bluewolf> minimec: Okay thanks.
[12:27] <m4dh4tt4> and mv default.x11settings.conf to defaultx11settings.conf.old
[12:27] <kk__> ~_~
[12:27] <kk__> ..
[12:27] <m4dh4tt4> or whatever its called since u cant LS me
[12:27] <m4dh4tt4> but on reboot it regens a new one
[12:27] <Bluewolf> m4dh4tt4: This is a pretty fresh install I have, don't really want to go through all the hassle of doing it again
[12:28] <m4dh4tt4> agresd which is why i rename stuff related to display cuz it regens
[12:29] <m4dh4tt4> you could also dpkg -l|grep -i nvidia and start apt-get remove those and drop back to lower graphics
[12:30] <m4dh4tt4> but if u have a conflic like minimec described u gotta resolve conflicting display./windowmanager thingies
[12:30] <m4dh4tt4> if you just broke it, it might have been the result of an apt-get you did that bundled something, you could find last stuff in /var/log/apt
[12:32] <m4dh4tt4> cat /var/log/apt/history.log|grep Install
[12:33] <m4dh4tt4> but if what minimec said makes sense to you id recommend that, my buddy swears by the dpkg reconfig
[12:38] <m4dh4tt4> so is this the official ubuntu irc
[12:39] <m4dh4tt4> i kind of expected more repponses from torbrowser-launcher telling people theyre possibly compromised
[12:40] <m4dh4tt4> anyone have tips for making a laptop with both intel and nvidia wifi run smoothly? its just been battling itself since i ditched winblows
[12:41] <m4dh4tt4> graphix* not wifi lol
[12:44] <mark76> I've forgotten my su password
[12:44] <minimec> m4dh4tt4: As far as I know you have three options. 1. Disable the nvidia card -> best battery life; 2. Disable the Intel card -> best performance, but bad battery life; 3. use 'switch mode' to switch between intel/nvidia -> only possible with the opensource nvidia driver.
[12:45] <hateball> You can switch with the blob using nvidia-prime
[12:45] <hateball> Needs a reload of X however
[12:45] <minimec> hateball: Ok. THX. Did not know that.
[12:45] <linuxan> hello, anyone can explain me how exactly works "2>&1"   in command "nohup .......command...... > /dev/null 2>&1 &" please?
[12:46] <Pici> linuxan: 2>&1 says to send all the messages from stderr to the same place that stdout is going.
[12:47] <linuxan> ok, can it be written in some way like   2 > /dev/null ?
[12:47] <minimec> mark76: start your system in recovery mode, start the network and then drop to a root shell. In the root shell do 'mount -o remount,rw /'m then 'passwd mark76' or similar... ;)
[12:48] <linuxan> or it has to be always written like 2>&1?  I dont understand what does mean 2 and 1 nubmers here
[12:50] <Bluewolf> minimec: Okay the upgrade has finished and I've installed the Gnome Keyring. Do I run sudo apt install --reinstall gdm or sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm as you said above?
[12:51] <minimec> Bluewolf: Try the 2nd command first... If it doesn't work, go with the first one.
[12:51] <mark76> It's okay, I found out how to use my normal password instead
[12:52] <minimec> mark76: that definitely helps... ;)
[12:53] <Bluewolf> minimec: It says that gdm is not installed. So I'll do that now.
[12:53] <Bluewolf> minimec: sudo apt install gdm or sudo apt install --reinstall gdm ?
[12:54] <Bluewolf> Or apt-get install
[12:54] <minimec> Bluewolf: They should all work...
[12:54] <m4dh4tt4> apt install and apt-get install = same
[12:55] <m4dh4tt4> add sudo if ure not root
[12:55] <m4dh4tt4> if you forget sudo and run without privileges, run sudo !! to repeat last command with sudo
[12:56] <kk__> !! last command
[12:56] <Bluewolf> m4dh4tt4: Sure :D
[12:56] <kk__> Ctral R
[12:57] <kk__> find history
[12:57] <mark76> Why is there no glib-2.0.dev in the repository?
[12:57] <m4dh4tt4> aye so nouveau or nvidia proprietary? nvidia proprietary= machines like freezing up one every 5 mins for 30 seconds, and well nouveau is smoother but if i run a Virtual machine my i7's 8 cores get chewed out right away
[12:58] <tomodachi> nvidia = proprietary
[12:58] <tomodachi> nouveau = open source
[12:58] <m4dh4tt4> could someone tell me where to look what to do to smoothen this crappy nvidia situation
[12:58] <minimec> mark76: I guess you need libglib2.0-dev
[12:59] <kk__>  sudo apt-get install libperl-dev sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[12:59] <kk__> @mark
[12:59] <m4dh4tt4> tomodachi yes ty but problems with both
[13:00] <mark76> Got it
[13:01] <m4dh4tt4> nvidia= freezes mouse every 5 mins, nouveau goes max cpu and appears to use my intel and not nvidia lol
[13:01] <ntd> akik, are those font files around 17MB for you too?
[13:01] <Bluewolf> minimec: Okay its done, what next. Restart or try log in?
[13:02] <m4dh4tt4> restart cant hurt but if i were yoi
[13:02] <minimec> Bluewolf: Give it a try... ;)
[13:02] <m4dh4tt4> i would update-rc.d ssh enable
[13:02] <m4dh4tt4> make sure ssh is running in case u cant see stuff
[13:02] <akik> ntd: yes. btw you can verify installed packages with "dpkg -V fonts-noto-cjk"
[13:03] <Bluewolf> minimec: Hm well. The screen still scrambled and the log in screen was still the same. But I'm in :D
[13:03] <Bluewolf> What now?'
[13:04] <minimec> Bluewolf: So you have a running user session? If you had the same 'lightdm' login screen, you shoud 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm' to get gdm working.
[13:06] <Bluewolf> minimec: Yes I have a working user session. I'll run dpkg-reconfigure gdm - But It asked me when I installed it and I choose gdm
[13:06] <m4dh4tt4> seeking: start vino-server from ssh? anyoneknowhow? looking to also fix my freezing nvidia (ballin specs ) but runs like junk laptop, also wondering where to find the mount comand used by file manager when i click on my drive
[13:06] <ntd> the reason I'm asking is that I am experiencing a close to ten second delay when starting GTK applications. trace shows this occurs while loading fonts from /usr/share/fonts/opentype/noto
[13:06] <ntd> moving that folder elsewhere "solves" the immediate issue, but it is not a solution
[13:08] <mark76> I have no gobject
[13:09] <kk_> How is the server high availability session maintained?
[13:09] <kk_> @mark?
[13:09] <Bluewolf> minimec: Hm that is strange. I ran 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm' and switched users to check. The Unity type log in screen is still there?
[13:11] <Bluewolf> minimec: I'm going out on a whim here, would restarting be an option. As unlikely as it may be to work?
[13:12] <m4dh4tt4> bluewolf , id recommend a 'cd /etc/X11;mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup;
[13:13] <minimec> Bluewolf: Well a reboot never hurts, but if I remember well the xserver is restarted on logout, so 'gdm' should be taken into account...
[13:13] <m4dh4tt4> maybe cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager see whats in there
[13:13] <mark76> Never mind, it seems I might not need it
[13:15] <kk_> mark76: sorry,ill see it again
[13:15] <onitlikesonic> Hi all, does anyone know a workaround for this ?
[13:15] <onitlikesonic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1640274
[13:16] <Bluewolf> minimec: m4dh4tt4: Okay, let me do a reboot. If its still not working then 'cd /etc/X11;mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup;?
[13:16] <m4dh4tt4> well if ure scare u wont get gui id do it before reboot
[13:16] <onitlikesonic> need to automate the upgrade of quite a few servers and that isnt working :( "ERROR error ''str' does not support the buffer interface' when trying to write to the conffile"
[13:16] <minimec> Bluewolf: No. You dont't have to move any file. Your xserver is running ok.
[13:16] <m4dh4tt4> cuz it regenerates on reboot and youre more likely to get a workin gui
[13:16] <m4dh4tt4> but listen to this dude lol
[13:18] <Bluewolf> minimec: Well its back to normal. Its working fine now after the reboot
[13:18] <m4dh4tt4> has nobody else here dealt with an nvidia struggle? hookabrothaup
[13:18] <Bluewolf>   minimec: How do I remove the test user? :D
[13:20] <kk_>  Webchat has client tools ？
[13:20] <Bluewolf> m4dh4tt4: I've had mine freeze with new installs, but they have been fine after installing the proprietary drivers
[13:21] <minimec> Bluewolf: Cool. You have the graphical 'users' tool, or simply 'sudo deluser test'. You may be asked to delete all files of the user. I would do so.
[13:22] <minimec> m4dh4tt4: Well I have a dedicated GTX1060 here. I cannot help you with the hybrid GPU stuff...
[13:22] <Bluewolf> minimec: Oh sorry I remembered where to do it. Dude, you have officially saved me today. Can't thank you enough, really thank you for your time and effort helping me :y:
[13:23] <minimec> Bluewolf: No problem. In the meantime I cleaned my kitchen and the restroom. It's 'cleaning day' here... ;)
[13:23] <BluesKaj> m4dh4tt4, optimus?
[13:27] <Bluewolf> minimec: I'm happy for you, Alas I still have to clean my nest out :(
[13:27] <Bluewolf> While I'm here, do you know much about wine or are you in the wine channel?
[13:28] <minimec> Bluewolf: I don't use wine, sorry.
[13:29] <Bluewolf> minimec: Cool. The working session is enough. Thanks again.
[13:30] <popz> are there premade images for grsec
[13:30] <popz> on ubuntu
[13:30] <popz> I know the patch isn't available anymore
[13:30] <popz> I'm running 17.04
[13:37] <kk_> ／join #centos
[13:37] <m4dh4tt4> minimec ive got 3 x 1060's at home all kind of run poorly
[13:38] <m4dh4tt4> blueskaj is that an addon or an alternative?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> m4dh4tt4, someone mentioned you have hybrid graphics,..perhaps i was mistaken
[13:40] <m4dh4tt4> i have a laptop with hybrid and 3 desktops
[13:42] <m4dh4tt4> 2 boxes have issues, the asus zenbook, and the desktop with gtx 1060 + gtx 970(if i remember correctly)
[13:42] <m4dh4tt4> but the issue seems the same all around
[13:42] <minimec> m4dh4tt4: Well... They don't run as fast as with the windows driver, but I cannot complain...
[13:42] <BluesKaj> the laptop has intel onboard gpu and nvidia gpu ? if so that's usually known as optimus and requires nvidia-prime and the newly resurrected bumblebee app
[13:42] <m4dh4tt4> vlc plays like crap despire toooo many setting changes, ive been fiddling for weeks
[13:43] <m4dh4tt4> despite* ,
[13:43] <m4dh4tt4> and vmware 3d graphix is horrid, just sitting here in a vm for irc is freezinh my laptop up
[13:43] <BluesKaj> m4dh4tt4, my post above ^
[13:43] <m4dh4tt4> ok so do i remove anytinhg or just install ./\
[13:44] <m4dh4tt4> good ol' linux always walks me into conflicted installs lol
[13:44] <m4dh4tt4> blueskaj ya intel + nvidia
[13:45] <BluesKaj> m4dh4tt4, check this out, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[13:45] <m4dh4tt4> tyty
[13:45] <LuckyGoldstar> m4dh4tt4 Horrid vmware graphics could be due to things not being set up correctly. The VM could be using the iGPU or even CPU drawing.
[13:47] <m4dh4tt4> well vm worked beautifully /does work on windows, open-vm-tools-desktop + fuse
[13:48] <minimec> m4dh4tt4: Ok. so media stuff should run without any hassle. I normally use 'mpv' as movie player. You may have to enable 'vdpau' playback in your player of choice. With 'mpv', create a 'mpv' folder in '.config' and add a mpv.conf in that folder. The content of mpv.conf should be 'hwdec=vdpau' 'vo=vdpau' (new line for every '...').
[13:53] <m4dh4tt4> minimec ty jotted down, any reason u dont use vlc?
[13:54] <m4dh4tt4> also, when i apt update i get this: /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib32/nvidia-375/libEGL.so.1 is not a symbolic link
[13:54] <m4dh4tt4> blueskaj bumblebee is for like buntu 12 and 14, how well would it do on 16
[13:59] <minimec> m4dh4tt4: 'mpv' runs everything, even youtube links and has a very simple 'invisible' interface... I just love it!
[13:59] <BluesKaj> m4dh4tt4, sorry, the newer version is in the repos
[14:00] <BluesKaj> just install bumblebee
[14:01] <m4dh4tt4> aight thx guys, hmm i need rotate and image adjustment tho and programmagle hotkeys
[14:01] <m4dh4tt4> minimec what driver do u run for your 1060
[14:03] <m4dh4tt4> (i shall do bumblebee for the laptop
[14:06] <minimec> m4dh4tt4: Right now the NVIDIA Driver Version: 375.66, the one that comes in the repos.
[14:13] <Zew> Hey I have a  Ubuntu server that hosts Googles Summer of Code project (PWM) Password Reset Manager. Lucky since I had no trust (security wise) in the server and it's application, since it was a apache/Java tomcat driven
[14:14] <Zew> so I placed an IPS in front of it's web publishing rule. To my surprise (not) a couple attacks were attampted on it
[14:14] <Zew> http://www.kerneronsec.com/2016/02/remote-code-execution-in-cctv-dvrs-of.html
[14:14] <Zew> How would this exploit work on Ubuntu/Apache/Tomecat setup?
[14:15] <Zew> it was blocked, but I found it interesting it was attempted
[14:15] <Pici> Zew: probably a better question for ##security
[14:16] <Zew> kk thanks
[14:18] <cristian_c> hi
[14:18] <cristian_c> I've got an ite 9135 dvb chip (with remote control), it uses dvb-afatech9035 driver, and i've typed sudo ir-keytable
[14:19] <cristian_c> ir-keytable and evtest perform successfully keypresses on the remote control. Unfortunately, enabled protocol field is empty and if I try to configure shortcuts in kaffeine, many keys don't work
[14:19] <cristian_c> I've tried to modprobe some nec modules, because the remote control support the nec orotocol, but I don't know how to solve the issue
[14:19] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[14:29] <tacdawg84>  /msg alis LIST *linux*
[14:29] <penthief> How do I fix the following apt error "E: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg/libdpkg-perl_1.18.4ubuntu1.1_all.deb  404  Not Found"
[14:30] <leftyfb> penthief: apt-get update or change your repo
[14:30] <penthief> oh ok thanks
[14:30] <penthief> that works
[14:34] <onitlikesonic> Hi all, does anyone know a workaround for this ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1640274 :( cant upgrade non-interactively
[14:39] <tomreyn> onitlikesonic: did you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade before starting the dist-upgrade?
[14:41] <tomreyn> trusty-updates has ubuntu-release-upgrader-core 1:0.220.9
[14:42] <tomreyn> hmm but if you were on ubuntu-release-upgrader-core 1:0.220.8 (like the bug reporter is) then upgrading this package would not have helped (but maybe other updates would have):  http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/ubuntu-release-upgrader/ubuntu-release-upgrader_0.220.9/changelog
[14:48] <onitlikesonic> tomreyn: yes that is the version i have installed
[14:48] <onitlikesonic> .9 that is
[14:49] <onitlikesonic> trying now one without the DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive just to check and so far has been running ok
[14:49] <onitlikesonic> so its clearly a problem with that param
[14:50] <unholymachine> so i keep getting "cannot create swap partition on dev sda #6" or whatever when trying to dual-boot install ubuntu
[14:50] <ntd> after backing up an installation (tar cp), repartitioning and restoring (tar xp) I am seeing a close to ten second delay when logging into gnome and starting gtk applications. tracing shows this happens while loading fonts from /usr/share/fonts/opentype/noto. reinstalling fonts-noto-cjk solves the problem, but since the file hashes are the same both before and after reinstallation these files cannot have been the culprit. is there some global font cache
[14:50] <ntd> that was regenerated/repaired by reinstalling fonts-noto-cjk?
[14:50] <unholymachine> i can't seem to solve it even when there is a dedicated swap partition already on the hard-disk
[14:51] <unholymachine> shouldn't the installer see the swap partition and use it automatically?
[14:51] <unholymachine> this is the first time i've ever had this happen to me
[14:53] <tomreyn> onitlikesonic: i agree it looks a lot like a bug then
[14:54] <tomreyn> this discusses a *messy* work-around https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2265877
[14:54] <slee> hi, i'm currently using the x11vnc server for remote desktop on my ubuntu boxes, but it doesn't have the ability to autostart on box startup, is there another desktop app for ubuntu that will auto start the vnc server on boxes?
[14:54] <tomreyn> personally i would not try to carry out dist-upogrades fully automated
[14:55] <onitlikesonic> tomreyn: not even when you have more than 100 VMs with it ?
[14:55] <tomreyn> onitlikesonic: no
[14:56] <tomreyn> i would do a new installation and deployment
[14:56] <onitlikesonic> done this from 12 to 14... went like a charm... now this bug is killing me
[14:56] <onitlikesonic> tomreyn: inviable when these are scattered accross the globe and multiple clients
[14:56] <onitlikesonic> this is the main reason we chose ubuntu over centos
[14:57] <tomreyn> hmm then i wouldn not try to resort to dangerous dist-upgrade mechanisms in the first place.
[14:58] <frozenrouter> Having a problem with a low cpu frequency being set while on multithreaded games(lower than user set min). This low cpu frequency means that the gpu usage can only be so high, and limits frame rate significantly. Power and thermals do not seem to be an issue according to artifically putting load on components.
[14:58] <tomreyn> onitlikesonic: do you have OOB management?
[14:59] <onitlikesonic> puppet
[15:00] <tomreyn> onitlikesonic: i mean something like networked serial console, KVM, IPMI-KVM, HP ILO, Dell IDRAC, Sun ILOM ...
[15:02] <onitlikesonic> tomreyn: nay most of the times
[15:02] <onitlikesonic> anyway reshipping is not an option so this will have to work :3
[15:03] <tomreyn> so it's heterogenous hardware, too? i guess something wnet wrong in the planning phase.
[15:05] <tomreyn> oh you said it's VMs, but still if its different virtualizations and you don't have general host access that's bad.
[15:05] <tgm4883> VMs? Why not setup a second VM that's upgraded and move your stuff over?
[15:06] <tgm4883> far less downtime, easier to roll back if necessary
[15:07] <tomreyn> thats if you have spare resources at every location, which i would guess is maybe not so.
[15:08] <tgm4883> true, this doesn't found like a very fault tolerant setup
[15:33] <dpb1> Slart: hey there, I was looking at #1619968 -- and that you were hitting it.  can you repro?
[15:52] <oasis_fire> How can I disable the 'alt-f1' shortcut on Ubuntu?
[15:52] <oasis_fire> It doesn't seem to be appearing in the shortcut list
[16:12] <oerheks> !bug
[16:12] <oerheks> ubuntu-bug ubuntu-desktop this is boring, everything works OOTB
[16:28] <QbY> I need to add a "jessie main" repository to my Ubuntu 14.04 ..  I've added it, but when it does the fetch it is going to "jessie InRelease" .. any suggestions?
[16:28] <nacc> QbY: you don't *need* to add that.
[16:29] <nacc> QbY: you are choosing to, which is not a suggested or supported approach
[16:30] <QbY> nacc..  it's the only option i have from the package maker
[16:31] <nacc> QbY: and of course adding a jessie repository is going to fetch jessie.
[16:32] <QbY> yes.
[16:32] <akik> QbY: have you looked into lxc containers? that way you could be running debian in a container
[16:32]  * QbY puts lxc containers on his to do list
[16:33] <QbY> here's the deal, installing systemd earlier wrecked my aptitude.  i had to install it all over again and since doing so my repo that was working just fine, has ceased working.
[16:34] <nacc> QbY: installing systemd?
[16:34] <QbY> yes
[16:34] <nacc> QbY: on 14.04? that's not normal
[16:34] <QbY> oh?
[16:34] <nacc> QbY: 14.04 is upstart
[16:34] <nacc> QbY: by default
[16:40] <DrN3fari0z> nicklist screen
[16:40] <DrN3fari0z> oops
[16:41] <Zalabaslea> heh
[16:49] <L72g5sSq> I have the following in my fstab: jupiter:/mnt/data1    /mnt/jupiter/data1    nfs4    uid=1000,gid=1000, 0 0
[16:49] <L72g5sSq> but I keep getting "mount.nfs4: an incorrect mount option was specified" when I try to mount it...
[16:50] <L72g5sSq> If I replace "uid=1000,gid=1000" with "defaults" then it works...
[16:50] <L72g5sSq> Any ideas how to get the uid and gid params working?
[16:50] <akik> L72g5sSq: nfs doesn't use that kind of permission model. where did you get that?
[16:51] <L72g5sSq> akik: Some random example on the internet.
[16:51] <nacc> akik: it's written in the manpage (at least on 17.04)
[16:51] <nacc> akik: oh wait, misread it ;)
[16:51] <akik> L72g5sSq: all uids are fine with nfs
[16:51] <akik> L72g5sSq: you just have to agree about them on the server and the client
[16:52] <L72g5sSq> akik: What I want to do is have a specific owner and group applied when I create a file on the mounted folder
[16:52] <L72g5sSq> akik: I read about that, how does that work?
[16:53] <akik> L72g5sSq: you just match the uid/gid on server and client
[16:53] <L72g5sSq> akik: Stupid question...so I create the same user on both the server and client?
[16:53] <akik> L72g5sSq: that's the easiest method
[16:54] <akik> L72g5sSq: there's something called nfs user mapping with nfsv4 but i haven't looked into it
[16:56] <L72g5sSq> akik: Oh. Like this? https://serverfault.com/questions/514118/mapping-uid-and-gid-of-local-user-to-the-mounted-nfs-share
[16:59] <vexoon> hello everyone, quick question. I installed glusterfs on 2 different servers. same version of glusterfs but on one machine I get the following error: volume set: failed: option rpc-auth.addr.JAMS1.allow 172.18.0.0/16: '172.18.0.0/16' is not a valid mount-auth-address
[16:59] <vexoon> on the other machine the same works...
[16:59] <vexoon> it does not rly look like a glusterfs issue tbh
[17:10] <brad[]> Hi all, I'm rather impressed that Ubuntu's pip declines to manage / uninstall system packages. I've been trying to track down the origins of this enhancement but not having much luck. Is anyone here familiar with that?
[17:10] <prestong_ca> Hi all, I’m working on setting up a Razer Blade Pro 2017. It comes with a hardware/BIOS based RAID 0 configuration. When I try to install Ubuntu, Ubuntu doesn’t see the RAID 0 drives. If I unraid the drives, I’m about to see them, but I really want to install in the RAID 0 configuration. Could someone point me to the best way to install Ubuntu with a RAID 0 config?
[17:17] <genii> prestong_ca: If it's actual hardware raid, Ubuntu should only see it as a single hd, usually sda
[17:20] <blkadder> More likely it is fake raid.
[17:20] <genii> blkadder: Should see the individual drives then, even if the raid is turned on in the bios
[17:22] <blkadder> I wouldn't do Raid 0 on boot drives either but that's just me I guess. :-)
[17:22] <genii> Yes, raid 1 would be better
[17:24] <t3kg33k> Greetings all
[17:24] <blkadder> genii, May have to fiddle with some bios settings for that to happen.
[17:25] <t3kg33k> Is it possible to wake a suspended/hibernating PC remotely from command line?
[17:25] <blkadder> WOL
[17:25] <blkadder> t3kg33k, Yes it is theoretically possible: Wake On Lan
[17:26] <t3kg33k> blkadder: what is the command for that? I'm assuming I need to know the MAC of the PC too
[17:26] <blkadder> !wol
[17:27] <blkadder> t3kg33k, You need to have the capability configured on the PC.
[17:27] <t3kg33k> I believe it is
[17:27] <genii> It needs to be setup on both ends. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WakeOnLan
[17:28] <genii> You'd need to know the "magic packet" contents
[17:28] <blkadder> !wakeonlan
[17:31] <genii> ubottu: wol is <reply> Wake-On-LAN is a feature of a computer's network card allowing it to be remotely turned on. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WakeOnLan for details on implementation.
[17:31]  * genii goes for a coffee
[17:31] <prestong_ca> Thanks for the replys. :)
[17:32] <prestong_ca> The disks just don’t show up unless I disable the hardware raid:(
[17:32] <blkadder> prestong_ca, Then it is probably what we like to call "Fake raid".
[17:33] <blkadder> That is there is a hardware toggle but the raid driver itself is software based.
[17:34] <blkadder> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[17:36] <prestong_ca> You guys are awesome! I’ll look this over! :)
[17:36] <ssarah> hei guys
[17:36] <genii> prestong_ca: So in this case you're better off to disable the onboard raid and use the server cd to install onto a raid1, then install ubuntu-desktop
[17:36] <ssarah> What's the proper way to start a service.
[17:37] <genii> ssarah: sudo service name-of-service start
[17:38] <ssarah> sorry
[17:38] <ssarah> what i meant to ask was the proper to make sure something starts when the system is up
[17:39] <ssarah> like my vpnc, i have to manually go sudo vpnc vpnc_name
[17:40] <Zalabaslea> hmm
[17:40] <Zalabaslea> have u tryed xrdpo
[17:40] <Zalabaslea> "xrdp"
[17:40] <Zalabaslea> ah
[17:41] <Zalabaslea> systemctl list-unit-files | grep vnc
[17:41] <Zalabaslea> there you $ systemctl enable vnc-whatever.service $ systemctl start ...
[17:42] <Zalabaslea> or
[17:42] <Zalabaslea> option 2 : nano /etc/rc.local
[17:42] <Zalabaslea> but actually the 1 is pretty easy
[17:43] <ssarah> it's not listed in option 1
[17:43] <ssarah> i'll try option
[17:43] <ssarah> 2
[17:43] <Zalabaslea> yeah
[17:43] <Zalabaslea> check systemctl enable rc-local.service
[17:44] <Zalabaslea> and dont forget to set #$bin/sh in the first line and "exit 0" at the bottom
[17:45] <Zalabaslea> you just set the binary name: for example "vpnc" thats it
[17:49] <ssarah> tyvm Zalabaslea
[17:49] <gebbione> hi folks, some of my windows in gnome are supposed to be over and clickable on top of others, like Caido dock, but for some reason right now i either cannot click or see them on top. Something maybe broken with my X?
[17:49] <ssarah> :)
[17:50] <Zalabaslea> ye :)
[17:58] <prestong_ca> genii, are you saying that I can install ubuntu-desktop from the ubuntu-server cd?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> prestong_ca,  yes as long you have an internet connection, afaik
[18:00] <prestong_ca> sweet, can anyone point me to a guide for that?
[18:02] <bobbydoogle> I'm looking to create a custom script that just zips up a specific subset of files and folders in a directory, any suggestions on what I should use to do that?
[18:02] <leftyfb> prestong_ca: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:02] <bobbydoogle> would be nice if I had scripting capabilities if I need to do more, though at the moment I don't..... guess I could use node
[18:02] <bobbydoogle> or bash...
[18:03] <blkadder> bobbydoogle, Sounds pretty trivial to do in a shell script or maybe just a one-liner.
[18:03] <prestong_ca> thank you, leftyfb
[18:03] <leftyfb> bobbydoogle: why do you need this to be a script?
[18:04] <prestong_ca> just to be clear, leftyfb, I run that after the ubuntu-server install is totally completed?
[18:04] <bobbydoogle> blkadder, yeah, I'm kindof trying to think forward, I'm deploying software, and when we send to a client we send them a certain set of the files in our main repo, so we may be doing it frequently/I want to automate. There could be some additional steps needed down the line, but at the moment its just zipping up files. Maybe a shell script is the way to go.
[18:05] <leftyfb> prestong_ca: why are you using the ubuntu server installer if you want the desktop?
[18:05] <bobbydoogle> oh leftyfb that answered your question, not blkadders, oops
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: did you fix that python issue the other day?
[18:05] <blkadder> bobbydoogle Sounds like it.
[18:06] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: no. Just going to get it back locally and wipe it and start over
[18:06] <blkadder> bobbydoogle, How complex is the criteria for what you want to send?
[18:07] <prestong_ca> leftyfb, because I’m trying to install on a Razer Blade Pro laptop in a RAID0 configuration. earlier in this thread we were going over how the only way I would be able to get the soft-RAID insteall setup would be to start the install using Ubuntu-Server
[18:08] <leftyfb> prestong_ca: do you hate the data going onto this raid 0?
[18:08] <blkadder> :-)
[18:08] <bobbydoogle> blkadder, at the moment simple, xyz files, and xyz folders, not even specific files in folders, just certain files and folders in one root folder, but I would like to have flexibility to expand on that.
[18:08] <prestong_ca> LOL, it’s a gaming laptop with NVMes. 2 x 256GB. I know the risks :)
[18:08] <leftyfb> prestong_ca: raid 0 is great for data you either hate or want gone immediately or will only be there temporarily
[18:09] <leftyfb> prestong_ca: I'll assume you're doing this on spinners. In which case, when (not if) one of those drive dies, all your data is gone.
[18:10] <bobbydoogle> actually I think I will go with node, my app and other scripts are generally in node, so that will be most consist ant, srry this was a little off topic. Thx for tips
[18:10] <blkadder> bobbydoogle np
[18:10] <prestong_ca> No, its a Razer Blade Pro with NVMe SSDs. RAID0 is its default configuration of this gaming laptop. https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-pro
[18:11] <blkadder> prestong_ca, Just out of curiosity, why are you installing Ubuntu on an expensive, purpose-built gaming laptop? :-)
[18:12] <prestong_ca> cuz I’m a Linux gamer and software engineer looking for a really powerful setup. All of our company’s code is stored in clound storage, so that isn’t a concern.
[18:12] <leftyfb> prestong_ca: linux software raid 0 is not the default configuration of your laptop
[18:13] <Ichimusai> leftyfb: Haha :)
[18:13] <Ichimusai> leftyfb: Well put.
[18:14] <prestong_ca> regardless, it is my goal :p
[18:14] <leftyfb> that poor data
[18:15] <sidetracking> god damnit its raining outside
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> keep it ubuntu related guys
[18:16] <sidetracking> shit wrong chan
[18:16] <sidetracking> my bad
[18:16] <leftyfb> sidetracking: what can we help you with?
[18:16] <sidetracking> ....
[18:16] <Ichimusai> leftyfb: Well yesterday someone wanted to stripe six disk without redundancy on a BSD machine with zfs. It's a full level up of stupid.
[18:16] <Ichimusai> leftyfb: Spinning rust disks no less.
[18:17] <leftyfb> Ichimusai: no spare?
[18:17] <Ichimusai> leftyfb: Some just don't relize that a single time-out on any one of the disks will bring the shit right into the fan and the whole thing dies horribly in a cloud of inconsistency.
[18:18] <leftyfb> Ichimusai: no spare and no parity?
[18:18] <Ichimusai> leftyfb: Not a shred of redundancy, except the metadata zfs automatically makes redundant over the disks, but the date, oh the data...
[18:18] <Ichimusai> leftyfb: No, full force idiot raid0
[18:19] <Ichimusai> leftyfb: Since he had 6 disks I suggested ZFS RaidZ2.
[18:19] <blkadder> Striped vdevs vs. RaidZ?
[18:19] <Ichimusai> blkadder: zpool mypool <disk1> <disk2> ... <disk6>
[18:19] <blkadder> LOL
[18:20] <Ichimusai> With so many disks you would be happy if it boots up once in stable shape...
[18:20] <Ichimusai> :)
[18:20] <blkadder> Would be fine for scratch stuff though.
[18:20] <blkadder> But I am assuming that was not the intended use case?
[18:21] <Ichimusai> blkadder: I know people who do video edits and use it for intermediate storage but...
[18:21] <blkadder> Sure.
[18:21] <blkadder> That is a use case where it makes sense.
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> Ichimusai, blkadder keep it ubuntu related guys
[18:21] <Ichimusai> Yeah, or very large camera buffers and things like that (surveillance) or recording EM spectrum with Gsamples/second....
[18:21] <blkadder> Sorry dad.
[18:22] <Ichimusai> lotuspsychje: Sorry. My bad.
[18:26] <DrN3fari0z> topic
[18:30] <eil>  I updated  then sudo :cannot resolve host I vimed /etc/hosts /etc/hostname still cannot resolve host
[18:31] <eil> I altered hostname hosts
[18:32] <eil> still sudo: cannot resolve host
[18:32] <Ichimusai> Is the network ok, i.e. can you ping hosts with their IP?
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> !hostname | eil
[18:35] <eil> I used hostname <newhostname>
[18:35] <blkadder> eil Pastebin the contents of your /etc/hosts
[18:35] <eil> ok
[18:35] <blkadder> So we can see what you did
[18:45] <eil> wait a minute the computer stuck
[18:48] <nikitha> A)    which is best ubuntu 16.04 or linuxmint 18  for oracle 11g installation           B)   which is best ubuntu 16.04 or  linuxmint 18 for  guest os  as windows7
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> !mint | nikitha
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> nikitha: we reccomend ubuntu here
[18:48] <DJones> nikitha: You're asking the Ubuntu support channels, which do you think people will say
[18:49] <eil> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24817279
[18:50] <blkadder> eil, Entries for 127.0.0.1 belong on one line
[18:50] <blkadder> Oops disregard. :-)
[18:50] <blkadder> Read too fast.
[18:50] <ioria> eil, hostname -f
[18:52] <eil> hostname:Name or service not known
[18:54] <blkadder> eil echo $PATH
[18:54] <ioria> eil,  10th line is a duplicate, i guess
[18:55] <ioria> eil,  try this : comment 2nd and 10th
[18:55] <nikitha> but 100 times i switched myself between windows7/ubuntu 14-16    in past 5-6years  to keep linux  (mostly ubuntu )as deskop os.   i wish to fully top bottom with linux (mostly ubuntu as i see activity is full everytime observing from past 6years), my basic requirement is my dependent of oracle products being mostly for windows im slave to windows 7 , to keep up with guest os as windows with oracle and ms office. though office tools exist
[18:55] <nikitha>  for linux they are not user frientdly as i type my resume or open my existing resume, it gives wierd look and font , fontsize ...please excuse my words. i am only dependent on oracle products to my stickingness for direct oracle isntallaton onto ubuntu  and guest os windows , so my A and B questions i mentioned at upside in channel,   though big sentence i kept everything here, that's it.....
[18:56] <ioria> eil, and run hostname -f again
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> nikitha: you are the boss of your machine
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> nikitha: install whatever you need the most?
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> nikitha: and what kind of oracle software do you need to use?
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> nikitha: with ubuntu + virtualbox + wine/playonlinux you can already do much
[19:00] <nikitha> lotuspsychje: yes i did, makes guest os slow or sometimes  primary os
[19:01] <nikitha> lotuspsychje: i do have 8 gb ram, i do keep 3072 for virtualbox for guest os windows7
[19:01] <nikitha> lotuspsychje: mostly gui based
[19:02] <SuperSeriousCat> What Oracle products is it?
[19:02] <eil>  comment 2nd and 10th?
[19:02] <nikitha> lotuspsychje:  toad, sql developer, plsql developer, forms and reports, other bi and etl tools like  oracle odi, informatica, obiee   , these 3 are datawarehousing tools
[19:03] <ioria> eil, yes, and cat /etc/hostname
[19:08] <nikitha> lotuspsychje: i had used wine, its good, it support photoshop such a big software, but wont for oracle client ...i mean after db installation on linux , i require oracle client whether of oracle's or some 3rd party like toad, so for gui  based  i looked forward to wine, but wine did not proved to be help ful , hope u are getting me what i want to say ...
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> nikitha: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Oracle%20Instant%20Client
[19:09] <SmearedBeard> hey, does anyone know an ETA on this https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2015/CVE-2015-8994.html
[19:10] <nikitha> linux + oracle , later on wine with toad or plsql developer which supports gui , but where is gui based or window based oracle client software support in wine to connect both
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> !usn | SmearedBeard check here mate
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> nikitha: have you looked at apt-cache search oracle ?
[19:13] <azizLIGHT> my /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog file is getting too big, i want to delete lines inside it, to reduce size. how to do it safely?
[19:13] <azizLIGHT> also, is it possible to turn off logging for a short time
[19:13] <SmearedBeard> thanks ubottu
[19:13] <leftyfb> azizLIGHT: what version of ubuntu?
[19:14] <eil>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24817473
[19:14] <azizLIGHT> 14.04
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> azizLIGHT: i like to clean with bleachbit
[19:14] <azizLIGHT> i have a few sed commands ready but should i be running them on the files directly? arent they in use
[19:15] <pravin> hello everyone, I am trying to install qbittorrent from source in ubuntu 17.04, I am getting this erroe https://paste.ubuntu.com/24817483/
[19:15] <leftyfb> azizLIGHT: try just running: sudo logrotate
[19:15] <azizLIGHT> for instance sed -i '/sr 3:0:0:0: \[sr0\]/d' /var/log/syslog
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> pravin: why not just install from repos?
[19:15] <pravin> lotuspsychje: its not there
[19:16] <ioria> eil, please  highlight the nick of the person you're talking to ....   run   sudo apt update
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> !info qbittorrent zesty | pravin
[19:16] <SmearedBeard> lotuspsychje 18 pages for ubuntu 14.04 and no mention of CVE-2015-8994 :) I assume there are then plans at this time for a fix?
[19:16] <azizLIGHT> leftyfb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24817491/
[19:17] <leftyfb> azizLIGHT: fix the error
[19:17] <azizLIGHT> i never changed any permissions on the dirs
[19:17] <azizLIGHT> nor did i change the logrotate configs
[19:18] <nikitha> lotuspsychje: thanks, i will check with linux provided by you
[19:18] <kostkon> pravin, it might appear in the results when you do a search in the Ubuntu software, but you can  sudo apt install qbittorrent   it
[19:18] <azizLIGHT> the files/configs are the same since installation of 14.04
[19:18] <kostkon> not*
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> !download | nikitha
[19:19] <azizLIGHT> i just want to delete liens on syslog. is it safe to do or not. i dont car about rotation
[19:19] <nikitha> lotuspsychje: link
[19:19] <leftyfb> azizLIGHT: yes
[19:19] <azizLIGHT> and how about kern.log
[19:19] <leftyfb> yes
[19:19] <azizLIGHT> so i can do sed -i '/sr 3:0:0:0: \[sr0\]/d' kern.log && sed -i '/sr 3:0:0:0: \[sr0\]/d' syslog
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> SmearedBeard: cant find it on usn neither, perhaps ask in #ubuntu-hardened ?
[19:21] <SmearedBeard> sounds like a good plan to me, thanks lotuspsychje
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> SmearedBeard: i suspect, if usn doesnt mention, you should be safe on an updated ubuntu
[19:22] <SmearedBeard> that would be good, but the people.canonical site says a patch is needed..
[19:23] <nikitamog> I'm having some trouble with an expired key signature.
[19:23] <nikitamog> https://pastebin.com/c0iYcitr
[19:23] <nikitamog> I'm not quite sure how to either remove it, or renew it.
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> SmearedBeard: ask the #ubuntu-hardened guys if the patch is implemented already in latest updates
[19:26] <yetitwo> hullo everyone
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> nikitamog: you added the opensuse ppa to your ubuntu?
[19:27] <yetitwo> is there a way to make the control key interrupt momentum scrolling?
[19:27] <yetitwo> it's a recent development (since 15.x, i think) that when i'm scrolling chrome and then go to press ctrl-w to close the page, it sets the zoom to the max/min, which is annoying
[19:28] <nikitamog> I think i merely added the key the first time
[19:28] <nikitamog> lotuspsychje, How do I add the opensuse ppa?
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> nikitamog: it was a question to you?
[19:29] <leftyfb> yetitwo: stop your scroll wheel before closing the tab
[19:29] <nikitamog> lotuspsychje, Sorry, How do I add it. I don't think I did that the first go around.
[19:29] <nikitamog> lotuspsychje, I'm not even sure why ubuntu is using the opensuse repo anyway.
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> nikitamog: its your system, you should know why right? it doesnt by default
[19:30] <SmearedBeard> opensuse is just a free and easy way to host repos, there are some from centos as well
[19:30] <yetitwo> leftyfb: i'm talking about momentum scrolling on the touchpad
[19:31] <nikitamog> lotuspsychje, could be some graphics mod if I had to guess. How do I add the opensuse repo anyway?
[19:31] <yetitwo> i realize it's possible to touch the touchpad, but that's not an answer to my question
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> nikitamog: we dont support ppa's here mate, revert your system to default sources with ppapurge
[19:31] <leftyfb> yetitwo: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=253697
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | nikitamog
[19:33] <nikitamog> lotuspsychje, thanks.
[19:33] <yetitwo> leftyfb: ah, cool. thank you! i wasn't able to find that one when I was googling.
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> SmearedBeard: was it fixxed now? or still need a patch?
[19:34] <SmearedBeard> still needs a patch. Ill quote sarnold	yeah; there's several bugs that would probably be sufficient cause to release an update but no fix is yet available from upstream; see the 'deferred' entries on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php5.html
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> SmearedBeard: ok tnx for feedback for the community
[19:34] <SmearedBeard> no problem
[19:35] <leftyfb> yeats: first result when searching for "ubuntu chrome scroll momentum zoom ctrl"
[19:35] <leftyfb> sorry, 2nd
[19:35] <leftyfb> aaaand they're gone
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: dont suggest google to users that need help please
[19:36] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: please follow the conversation
[19:36] <Bob_Dole> What does it take to get AMDGPU-PRO working with old Radeon HD 78xx cards, and can it work with both the old GCN 1.0 and new Polaris cards at the same time?
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> !amd | Bob_Dole
[19:38] <Bob_Dole> the thing is, I don't need X11 at all. I need OpenCL. on old hardware, and 14.04 is whining about no longer being supported with 14.04's parts and thinks it needs to replace it with 16.04's
[19:38] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: i'll preface this with, in this recent case, I didn't suggest "google" to a user. I gave them the link with the answer they were looking for and then gave the search terms I used to find it since they had said they weren't able to find it from googling.....
[19:39] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: that said, as I've said before, I will continue to give google search results pages when I first search myself and find the answer within the first few results. It gives them the answer they're looking for and hopefully helps improve their research skills by showing how I went about finding the answer for them.
[19:40] <Bob_Dole> I mean, if I can't get that I'll switch that machine over to windows
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: you didnt have to mention wich number of google hit it was, but lets move on..
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: lets use #ubuntu-discuss if you wanna discuss
[19:41] <ioria> Bob_Dole, PITCAIRN with radeon, POLARIS (likely) with amdgpu
[19:42] <Bob_Dole> ioria, does the Radeon driver have fully working OpenCL? I keep hearing most stuff doesn't work
[19:43] <ioria> Bob_Dole, never tested personally, but it should work
[19:50] <Bob_Dole> ioria, I just kinda suspect I still need the proprietary OpenCL implementation still, I think. which should be possible with AMDGPU-PRO or a hybrid of it (proprietary OpenCL) and AMDGPU (open graphics driver portion), which kind-of-supports pitcairns but I don't know if it still needs the kernel recompile or how stable it is.
[19:52] <marquezini> guys!! im seeking the twitter client that comes with ubuntu 10.04 or 12.04, i think an old version of gwibber, i extremely like the popups of twitter, very usefully for me! someone knows the name of this app?!
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> marquezini: both versions of ubuntu are end of life
[19:52] <ioria> Bob_Dole, what version are you on ?
[19:52] <leftyfb> marquezini: I don't have that, but I do use the google chrome app tweetdeck which does the same things
[19:53] <marquezini> leftyfb, pop-up with tweets?!
[19:53] <leftyfb> marquezini: yep
[19:53] <marquezini> i fuck like these recouse
[19:53] <e-i-k-e> hi
[19:53] <blkmajik> howdy all. were there any recent update in 17.04 that may have effected the way usb modems are initialized? specifically cdc device presented when certain smartphones are connected via usb?
[19:53] <leftyfb> marquezini: please watch the language
[19:53] <marquezini> i will try
[19:53] <marquezini> tk man
[19:53] <Bob_Dole> ioria, I have 14.04 installed but it's trying to get me to upgrade the HWE stack, so I'm not running updates, because it would remove the ability to use fglrx, and thus kill the Complete OpenCL support.
[19:53] <marquezini> ah, lol
[19:53] <marquezini> ok
[19:54] <Bob_Dole> I don't care about 3D at all on that machine
[19:54] <Bob_Dole> I just want OpenCL
[19:54] <ioria> Bob_Dole, uname -r ?
[19:54] <e-i-k-e> i've no idea why, but i'm missing the /etc/php/7.1/cli/php.ini i already removed my whole php setup with aptitude purge, rebooted and installed it again and have no idea why the php.ini is missing
[19:54] <Bob_Dole> 3.16.0-33-generic
[19:54] <ioria> Bob_Dole, utopic ?
[19:55] <ioria> Bob_Dole, please, not supported anymore
[19:55] <Bob_Dole> ioria, which is why I want to know how to get AMDGPU-PRO working
[19:55] <oerheks> problem thinking amdgu while you are not on 16.04 ....
[19:55] <Bob_Dole> if I run updates the supported version of the LTS doesn't actually support me
[19:56] <ioria> Bob_Dole,  nope, you need 3.13 .... or sacrifice fglrx and install xenial hwe or xenial itself
[19:56] <Bob_Dole> I'm fine with upgrading to xenial if I can get AMDGPU-PRO working with my pitcairns
[19:57] <ioria> Bob_Dole,  nope
[19:58] <oerheks> amdgpu is not suitable for pitcairn Radeon HD 78xx, AFAIK
[19:58] <ioria> oerheks, he want the proprietary ...:þ
[19:58] <ioria> *s
[19:59] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> e-i-k-e: ubuntu version? what did you do/install?
[20:00] <dsh-> why are people uneasy about updating systemd?
[20:00] <azizLIGHT> safe to delete big fiels in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[20:01] <leftyfb> e-i-k-e: you could be able to get a copy from /usr/lib/php/7.1/php.ini-production.cli
[20:01] <leftyfb> azizLIGHT: sudo apt-get clean # will remove those for you
[20:01] <Bob_Dole> it is actually listed as a supported product for the latest AMDGPU-PRO, but I keep hearing Radeon might need blacklisted to actually work? used to also need a kernel recompile to turn on SI support http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx
[20:02] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Yes; if the system has a need will get the packages once again .
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> dsh-: what do you mean exactly? whats your situation?
[20:02] <dsh-> lotuspsychje: so I got a new laptop and installed 17.04, but i kept getting errors after shutdown
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> dsh-: what kind of errors, and does it prevent you from halting system?
[20:04] <dsh-> it wasn't a clean shutdown
[20:05] <dsh-> lotuspsychje: pretty much like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/systemd/+bug/1627950
[20:06] <dsh-> and there was a comment that it was fixed in systemd v233
[20:06] <dsh-> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5527#issuecomment-284186141
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> dsh-: have you added yourself affected to the bug?
[20:07] <dsh-> no but a previous user had the same issue with the same version (ubuntu gnome 17.04)
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> dsh-: add yourself affected to the bug, and explain your story to the bug, to help the community
[20:08] <dsh-> well i added the systemd repo and just updated systemd
[20:08] <dsh-> now i don't get any errors on shutdown
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> dsh-: another test you could try is install 16.04.2 and compare if it works there?
[20:08] <dsh-> but now i am a bit nervous since so many people are cautious about updating systemd
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> dsh-: in all cases its recommended to keep your system up to date, even with new bugs
[20:09] <oerheks> systemd repo ?
[20:10] <dsh-> lotuspsychje: reason I went for 17.04 is to have the newest kernel for kaby lake support
[20:11] <dsh-> oerheks: add-apt-repository ppa:pitti/systemd
[20:12] <e-i-k-e> leftyfb: thanks for that hint. i wasnt sure and jsut picked the default php.ini from my desktop (arch linux)+
[20:21] <Thanzex> Hi there! I just installed ubuntu on my machine and i'm fairly new to linux in general, how do i get the grub screen to NOT show at boot?
[20:23] <badet0s> set it to show 0 seconds ?
[20:23] <badet0s> or install a other boot loader
[20:23] <badet0s> try to install grub-customizer
[20:23] <badet0s> if you are unfamilar with cmd
[20:23] <badet0s> cli
[20:23] <badet0s> :P
[20:24] <xz> hey, where do I find ISO for Ubuntu 14.04 desktop?
[20:24] <vlt> Thanzex: Have a look at the file /etc/default/grub.
[20:25] <badet0s> xz: have you tried google ?
[20:25] <Thanzex> badet0s: vlt: thanks :)
[20:25] <baxx> hi
[20:26] <paven> heyo
[20:26] <xz> badet0s: yes, searched https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop but 14.04 wasn't there
[20:28] <badet0s> xz: maybe you should change your keywords. Maybe this site is correct? http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[20:29] <xz> badet0s: you found it!
[20:29] <xz> badet0s: thanks sir
[20:29] <badet0s> np enjoy
[20:32] <auser_> hey guys
[20:32] <auser_> I'm trying to run a script and this is part of it : https://pastebin.com/raw/NyMTnQVy
[20:33] <badet0s> maybe #bash is better ?
[20:33] <badet0s> gn
[20:35] <auser_> i keep getting : http://i.imgur.com/AY5WofQ.png
[20:35] <auser_> badet0s, what you mean by #bash ?
[20:35] <auser_> i get permission error, not sure why
[20:38] <Pici> auser_: something in that script is trying to create a file in your system's root path, you shouldn't be writing files there.
[20:40] <auser_> hmm weird
[20:40] <auser_> can it be some PATH issue ?
[20:41] <auser_> the installed rar or something...
[20:41] <auser_> i see nothing in the script that wants to create in root
[20:41] <Pici> auser_: I have no idea, you said you only posted part of the script.
[20:43] <auser_> I PM you the script Pici
[20:47] <Pici> auser_: if the targetdir definition fails in any way, you would get this error.  Try deleting test/ and then trying again.
[20:48] <Pici> or specify another directory in that argument
[20:50] <auser_> okay so i delete it
[20:51] <auser_> i still get the permission error
[20:51] <dust> https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration
[20:51] <dust> good info
[20:51] <auser_> but i need to specify the targetdir during using the script , right ?
[20:51] <Pici> auser_: you may want to ask #bash then, /join #bash   from here
[20:51] <auser_> ty
[20:55] <dust> https://linuxmusicians.com/
[22:13] <azizLIGHT> i installed clamav and now its taking up 300 mb of space in /var/lib/clamav ... if i try sudo apt-get purge clamav it says its only going to remove 695 kB
[22:14] <azizLIGHT> can i kill that dir
[22:14] <azizLIGHT> it has files like main.cld, daily.cld, bytecode.cld and mirrors.dat
[22:16] <azizLIGHT> also, can i delete /var/lib/modules/* except current kernel dir
[22:17] <azizLIGHT> oops, i mean /lib/modules
[22:28] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Wile one can rm in /lib/modules - it will break the package manager .
[22:28] <Bashing-om> while*
[22:29] <azizLIGHT> hm well i went and did apt-get purge
[22:29] <azizLIGHT> and then i tried doing other apt-get command and it mentioned to me i can do apt-get autoremove to get rid of some other clamav stuff
[22:30] <azizLIGHT> and doing apt-get autoremove got rid of all the clamav dirs
[22:31] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: 'apt-get purge' is the correct way - the package manager way :)
[22:34] <Ubuntivity> Hello, I have a keyboard problem in Ubuntu 16.04, How can I change between 101 and 102 keyboard layouts?
[22:41] <Zalabaslea> soap. hi.
[22:41] <baxx> any problems updating from 14 -> 16?
[22:41] <Zalabaslea> yep
[22:41] <Ben64> baxx: 14.04 to 16.04 should be fine
[22:42] <Zalabaslea> ah i find hard 14 17
[22:42] <Ben64> what
[22:42] <Zalabaslea> "hard"
[22:42] <Ben64> ok
[22:42] <Zalabaslea> report problems... i have a good 14 iso
[22:43] <baxx> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  << Ben64 just running this isn't it?
[22:43] <Ben64> that just updates your packages
[22:43] <baxx> hrm , so that would put me on the 16 repos?
[22:43] <Zalabaslea> i dvdisaster my best 14 iso and it works fine updating but for 17 its a bit too much ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is fine changing the source.list file lines to 17
[22:43] <Ben64> baxx: no
[22:43] <baxx> what's the point of that then?
[22:44] <Ben64> ...updates packages
[22:44] <Zalabaslea> no just change the name
[22:44] <Zalabaslea> main universe multiverse
[22:44] <Ben64> Zalabaslea: thats a bad idea
[22:44] <baxx> can i update the OS from a command or not?
[22:44] <Zalabaslea> well the OS do it if you check synaptic
[22:44] <Ben64> baxx: to go from 14.04 to 16.04? yes. sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:44] <Zalabaslea> just tell synaptic you want update?
[22:45] <Zalabaslea> cool thanks for the idea
[22:45] <baxx> Ben64: ok cool - do all programmes have to be closed or anything like that?
[22:46] <Ben64> baxx: no, but for best success you should disable any 3rd party repositories and remove their packages
[22:46] <baxx> what like python stuff pip etc?
[22:46] <Zalabaslea> as well as the system in no longer stable from 14 to 17 i meant imho
[22:47] <Zalabaslea> is`^^^^
[22:47] <Ben64> Zalabaslea: i don't know what you're talking about
[22:47] <Zalabaslea> you dont understand the significate of "no longer stable"
[22:47] <Ben64> baxx: should be fine unless you changed the system python version for a 3rd party one
[22:47] <Ben64> "as well as the system in no longer stable from 14 to 17 i meant imho"
[22:47] <baxx> i have anaconda , there are things in sources.list somewhere
[22:47] <Ben64> means nothing
[22:47] <Zalabaslea> hmm i meant the system became unstable and correumpt
[22:47] <Zalabaslea> korrupt
[22:47] <Zalabaslea> core dumps
[22:47] <Zalabaslea> kernel panic
[22:47] <baxx> Zalabaslea: are you talking to me about what I'm saying?
[22:47] <Zalabaslea> seg fault sigsev and glth thats all
[22:48] <Zalabaslea> for the 1st i was helping me as 50000 times i helped here and today is not my best day i've to admit
[22:48] <Ben64> baxx: it's best to remove all 3rd party stuff
[22:48] <Zalabaslea> yes os ubuntu is good :) betterthan others backdoored
[22:49] <baxx> Zalabaslea: i've not a clue what you're talking about
[22:49] <baxx> Ben64: is there an approach / method to follow / search for to do this?
[22:49] <Zalabaslea> then found your stuff on the internet.. dont expect i help
[22:50] <Ben64> baxx: an easy way is "ppa-purge" or you could open synaptic and browse by repo and remove the packages, then comment out the sources in sources.list.d or whatever
[22:50] <baxx> "then find your stuff on the internet, don't expect me to help" < Zalabaslea
[22:50] <Zalabaslea> hahahahaha what about it?
[22:50] <Zalabaslea> im not trolling i helped here millions time im a ubuntu geek man dont change my lang
[22:51] <baxx> just a grammar thing - i'm not saying you're trolling, i didn't mean it like that... no worries
[22:51] <Ben64> it's hard to understand what you're saying
[22:51] <baxx> ^
[22:51] <Zalabaslea> :-)
[22:51] <Zalabaslea> ok?
[22:51] <Zalabaslea> im not a verbal expert
[22:52] <Zalabaslea> if you try a bit helping me on verbs i could be nicest
[22:52] <Zalabaslea> baxx: found it :) http://usethefuckinggoogle.com
[22:53] <baxx> Ben64: If I go into sources.list and change the urls to version 16's is that cool? Or should I comment out the lot, update **then** change the urls to version 16s?
[22:53] <Ben64> Zalabaslea: don't do that
[22:53] <baxx> Zalabaslea: please stop directing messages to me
[22:53] <Ben64> baxx: no that method of upgrading isn't supported on ubuntu
[22:54] <Zalabaslea> im not doing that think
[22:54] <Zalabaslea> you paranoid :)
[22:54]  * baxx assumes it's a troll, ignores 
[22:54] <Jordan_U> Zalabaslea: That page is unacceptable in this channel for multiple reasons. Please watch your language and do not tellusers to "google it".
[22:55] <baxx> Jordan_U: fwiw i'm happy to google things in general - i'm just not used to this / not sure what to search for specifically atm
[22:55] <Zalabaslea> well.. if im being treathed as "...." the proper reaction is send they to hell anyway im better use ReactOS for the future :)
[22:55] <Zalabaslea> good bye..
[22:55] <baxx> Ben64: what do you mean 'that method' ? The notion of just changing the urls in the sources list to version 16 urls?
[22:55] <Ben64> baxx: what i would do in your situation is.... 1. remove packages from 3rd party repositories 2. disable 3rd party repositories 3. sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:55] <baxx> (i could give an example url )
[22:56] <Jordan_U> baxx: You should never change the release name in /etc/apt/sources.list manually. Doing so is not supported. You should use update-manager or do-release upgrade.
[22:56] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | baxx
[22:56] <Ben64> baxx: and correct, changing the urls isn't the supported way of upgrading in ubuntu, it apparently works for debian, but not here :)
[22:56] <baxx> Ben64: huh ok - i added an R (programming) link the other day to that file, and there were others in there... so I thought maybe I could just change that url to the version for 16
[22:59] <TBotNik> Help! I think I may have a virus.  Seems to be a javascript.  Causes the disk to run constantly and locks up the machine if FireFox, Thunderbird or GMail (via webmail) are running. The GMail one makes me reboot it hangs up so bad.  No Idea what tools to use to find this, so your help needed!
[23:00] <TBotNik> Running Kubuntu 14.04 with server packages added.
[23:00] <Ben64> TBotNik: you probably won't like this but i say format and reinstall
[23:01] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: I wouldn't immediately jump to the conclusion that you have malware, though it's possible.
[23:02] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: Try starting firefox in safe mode by running "firefox --safe-mode" in the terminal. That will start Firefox with all third party extensions disabled.
[23:06] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Haven't been dealing with this for over 6 months, but gotten worse.  Think it's either coming from Google or Mozilla, because alway getting "Non Responsive javascript" errors when it happens.  Appears to be some sort of phishing script, that may be Windows specific and since I'm Linux, can't find the info it's hunting, so goes "endless loop" .  When I run "System Monitor" there is nothing showing the amount of CPU usage, but java and javascript,
[23:06] <TBotNik> because they run under the java package, never show the amount of usage for individual script or collective use.  That's what's got me thinking what I'm thinking.
[23:07] <Ben64> javascript doesn't run as java
[23:07] <oerheks> TBotNik, maybe it is netbeans related?
[23:08] <oerheks> you had trouble yesterday with that, https://pastebin.com/eWXj3H2M
[23:08] <TBotNik> oerheks: Couldn't be, only install netbeans at noon today!
[23:10] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: Check what extensions you have installed.
[23:10] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Just started FF in safe mode
[23:13] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: I just found 3 extension that I did not install, so removed them
[23:14] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: But HD already in the "Constant ON" mode already!
[23:15] <Ben64> use iotop to see what it is
[23:15] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: What virus tools do we have besides, SNORT and CLAMV?
[23:15] <Ben64> and lsof to see what file(s)
[23:16] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: Did you make note of what those extensions were?
[23:17] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[23:17] <TBotNik> Jordan_U:  DCS, HTML5 Flash Player and LastPass
[23:19] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: I also removed YouTube Flash & Video Players as well
[23:19] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: Was the complete name really "DCS"? Was there any more info about that one?
[23:22] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: DCS portfolio manager, I think.  Never heard of it, so know I didn't install it.  Gonna remove the entire Firebug series that I use for DEV and see what that does.
[23:23] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: There are 10 of those.  Always used them for my DEV work, but survived without them before, so they're gone till I get a handle on this!
[23:25] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: SNORT shows to be installed, but do not have the normal apt icon in the menu.  Wonder why?
[23:27] <glitsj16> TBotNik: have you checked firefox about:config yet? Especially extensions.blocklist.enabled & services.blocklist.update_enabled should both be 'true' to use mozilla's blocklistst for bad extensions etc.
[23:27] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Wow! started SNORT manually via CLI and gettting constant traffic to various IPs all over the place, so really does look like I've got a phishing virus
[23:28] <Ben64> bunch of ips is pretty normal
[23:30] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: Whatever else you do for this problem, you need to change your habits. You shouldn't be accepting sites' requests to install extentions. With very few exceptions extentions don't just show up due to other malware or from just visiting a page. You may not remember it, but you have almost certainly clicked "allow" on multiple prompts to install extensions.
[23:33] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: I never have, and have "noscript", "ad block plus" and "ghostery" installed which supposed to have me in "secure mode browsing" and suppose to block all javascripts, which it does, at least most of the time, but seeing it now has holes that I was not aware of.
[23:36] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: I don't know if noscript prevents sites from prompting to install an extension or not. But frankly I have heard "I'm sure I never installed any extensions" from many users before, almost all of them smart capable people, and have found that to be false most of the times (and never found it to be definitively true).
[23:37] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Not all things/extensions follow the rules and prompt for permission to be installed, I've found this via HKU! LOL
[23:39] <glitsj16> TBotNik: don't expect any extension to offer bullet-proof protection, you can configure NoScript in many ways, also 'unsafe' ones.. you can easily run firefox in a sandbox these days, https://github.com/netblue30/firejail is one easy option you might be interested in.
[23:39] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Well what ever we've been doing, my HD finally stopped churning.  Only flashing occasionally, like it should!
[23:40] <TBotNik> glitsj16: Yes the new HTML5 cache has been a great place for hackers to store info a few bits at a time.
[23:41] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: An site would need to find a serious unpatched vulnerability in your browser to be able to install an extension without the browser prompting you, and if they have enough access to do that they likely wouldn't bother installing an extension rather than just directly doing whatever they want to do. I'm not saying that it never happens, but it's much less likely to me that this has happened to you
[23:42] <Jordan_U> than that you have accidentally clicked allow. Even moreso given that there are multiple exentsions you didn't intend to install.
[23:42] <TBotNik> glitsj16: Those are the worst hacks, where they send a bit or bits, store it in memory, and wait patiently while they get their entire hack script downloaded to you, then BAM gocha!
[23:42] <glitsj16> TBotNik: it's a pain indeed, but it's only going to get worse 'out there' .. with firejail you at least make it harder for anyone with malintent
[23:44] <TBotNik> glitsj16: Think this machine may have become a target, since I installed the server packages on top of the desktop and our bandwidth is 60GB, fastest pipe in town, since our call center books over $20K/min here!
[23:45] <TBotNik> glitsj16: Talk to me about firejail
[23:46] <glitsj16> TBotNik: it's a sandbox technology based on linux kernel capabilities to limit what's being exposed to each process running on your machine
[23:46] <TBotNik> glitsj16: Are you saying the BluHell Firewall?
[23:46] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: It does sound like a complete re-install would be a reasonable thing to do at this point. And *please* consider changing your actions rather than just depending on things like noscript to protect you. By all means, use noscript and use firejail but don't think that using those means that you can carelessly do anything you want without paying attention.
[23:46] <glitsj16> TBotNik: no, it's not a firewall
[23:48] <glitsj16> TBotNik: take some time to read the info on the link i gave you, it's explained very well by the developers, better than I could do here :)
[23:49] <Bashing-om> TBotNik: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2362788&page=2 << Re: How do you use Firejail?
[23:50] <glitsj16> TBotNik: Jordan_U's advice is still the best way to protect yourself.. and also the most difficult, changing habits is never easy
[23:51] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: You miss the point, I'm annal about security, since I sit on the IISC (International Internet Security Commitee) and we do all the research and set the security standards for the entire world, so not lazy at all about this.  However I was not aware, as no single person can keep abreast of either the threats or developments against them of the firejail, so glad to look at that and improve what I have.
[23:57] <TBotNik> Jordan_U & glitsj16: Hey see firejail out there, but can't find a good "HOWTO install" page for it, especially for 14.04.  I'm only allowed to use LTS versions of Ubuntu/Kubuntu and only after they've matured 18 months, so can not upgrade to 16.04 till this Oct.