[00:29] <ddaughtrey> How do I check how much of my swap file is being used? If that's an actual question.
[00:30] <ddaughtrey> It shouldn't be 0 right?
[00:32] <holla> free -m
[00:32] <holla> it's okay when it's zero - that means you have enough ram installed
[00:38] <ddaughtrey> Ok yeah I see that I have a 6GB swap available.
[00:39] <ddaughtrey> When I first installed xubuntu everything was running great and it was very responsive.
[00:39] <ddaughtrey> But now it is very, very sluggish. Like it's constantly trying to do something. the laptop I'm using is only a few years old.
[00:42] <holla> top
[00:42] <holla> gives you a hint about what's going on
[00:44] <ddaughtrey> Ok is there something I should be looking for?
[00:45] <holla> load of course and then wa
[00:47] <ddaughtrey> Load doesn't look terrible, from what I can tell. And the highest wa got while watching it was 5.1
[00:48] <ddaughtrey> Firefox looks to be a bit aggressive, but other than that everything looks normal.
[00:48] <holla> well 5.1 is a bit high imho for a single user pc
[00:49] <ddaughtrey> I just stopped top and it was at 10.1...
[00:49] <holla> wa means that some process wants to write to your disc, but has to wait
[00:50] <holla> it should be around 0 all or most of the time
[00:50] <holla> maybe you could run 'smartclt'?
[00:52] <ddaughtrey> ...if it won't run smartclt I should install that right? (I'm totally experienced and know what's going on)
[00:52] <holla> ???
[00:53] <holla> well with a laptop 'a few yrs old' i thought maybe it's about time for a new hdd
[00:53] <ddaughtrey> smartclt returns command not found
[00:53] <holla> but please don't panic - that's just one possiblity
[00:53] <holla> smartmon-tools
[00:54] <holla> it's for testing your hdd
[00:55] <ddaughtrey> It seems I need to install smartmontools so I'm doing that.
[00:58] <holla> it's useful anyway - good to have
[00:59] <holla> do you have iotop installed?
[01:06] <ddaughtrey> holla: I don't think so. I think someone had told me to install an equivalent, but I am tired and can't remember what it is.
[01:07] <holla> come back tomorrow
[01:10] <ddaughtrey> Yeah I'll be back. I was able to run smartctl though
[01:10] <holla> do the long run ;)
[01:10] <holla> smartctl -t long /dev/sda <- or whatever
[01:14] <ddaughtrey> Hah 195 minutes to complete?!
[01:15] <ddaughtrey> They took the word long seriously
[02:41] <lolpop-> W:The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu apt/stable/ Release' does not have a Release file., W:Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use., W:See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details., E:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/apt/stable/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.152 80], E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored,
[02:41] <lolpop-> or old ones used instead.
[02:41] <lolpop-> can someone help me with this?
[02:41] <lolpop-> im trying to upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10
[02:42] <lolpop-> this is my sources.list https://pastebin.com/N4ZQHx1y
[04:02] <pjconnect> Hey, does someone knows howto verify the signature of the xubuntu ISO file ; is there an howto web page ?
[04:03] <pjconnect> Hey, does someone knows howto verify the signature of a xubuntu ISO ; is there a howto/wiki about it ?
[04:04] <Unit193> You can either use hashes or gpg.
[04:04] <Unit193> !md5sum
[04:05] <pjconnect> @ubottu I already did that; but I'm not sure if it's sufficient !
[04:08] <pjconnect> @Unit193 An ubuntu howto webpage says I need to "Get the key used for the signature from the Ubuntu key server". I assume it's similar for xubuntu !!!
[04:09] <pjconnect> @Uni193 see ubuntu howto : https://www.ubuntu.com/download/how-to-verify
[04:13] <pjconnect> So, aside from "verify data integrity", I'm trying to validate the signature :) 
[06:24] <xubuntu09i> hello first run xubuntu
[06:24] <xubuntu09i> installing now
[06:28] <xubuntu09i> can i use sudo apt-get dis-upgrade and apt-get update && upgrade
[06:28] <xubuntu09i> without causing any issues
[06:29] <xubuntu09i> I was warned about doing so in linux mint not sure why
[06:57] <enkeyz> hello guys
[06:58] <enkeyz> developers, whose working in xfce, finally fixed screen tearing: https://github.com/xfce-mirror/xfwm4/commit/b2c7463452de38e25e11cdb4fe2ce5faef9cc316
[06:58] <enkeyz> on*
[06:59] <enkeyz> is there a proper way to install git version on my xubuntu?
[07:02] <flocculant> enkeyz: for git stuff I 1 - apt-get build-deps 'package', git clone, ./autogen.sh, make, make install (or sudo make install)
[07:03] <flocculant> but I use a crib sheet so don't ask me questions ;)
[07:03] <flocculant> if it all goes wrong then make uninstall (sudo ...)
[07:04] <Unit193> flocculant: I just make a git snapshot of the package.
[07:04] <flocculant> Unit193: I expect you do :)
[07:05] <enkeyz> flocculant: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce4-gtk3
[07:05] <enkeyz> look what did I find
[07:05] <flocculant> enkeyz: well yea - I know about that and the other officialish xubuntu ppa's ;)
[07:06] <enkeyz> Unit193: can you test the git version, and maybe update ppa with the new version of xfvm4?
[07:07] <enkeyz> I'm sick of using compton, because it's outdated
[07:08] <Unit193> enkeyz: 4.13.0 has quirks, not really pushing that forward (and in the same line, likely not going to push a git snapshot to that PPA since it'll be 4.13+extras.  Unless flocculant wants to see if the 32bit vbox quirks are gone. :P )
[07:09] <flocculant> Unit193: not much ;) I'd have to install vbox first and then 32 bit ... ;)
[07:10] <enkeyz> Unit193: so what's the solution?
[07:11] <enkeyz> I read #archlinux yesterday, they seems happy with git build.
[07:25] <Unit193> enkeyz: Watching a movie at 3am, but looking into it now too. :P
[07:26] <enkeyz> :D
[07:26] <enkeyz> really appreciate it
[07:30] <enkeyz> Unit193: maybe it can be backposted
[07:30] <enkeyz> backported*
[08:01] <Unit193> enkeyz: Well anyway, did you want the source package so you can test it and see if it's what you wanted?
[08:01] <enkeyz> yeah, sure. I can do that
[08:03] <enkeyz> can you package into a dpkg?
[08:04] <Unit193> That'd be the source for building the 'deb' file, yep.  Test built and everything, so it's good.
[08:05] <Unit193> (I don't like giving people debs directly, as they shouldn't download and install random stuff from the internet... https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfwm4_4.13.0+git20170601+b2c74634-0aegir1_amd64.deb )
[08:06] <enkeyz> sure thing, but you don't do such a ting :D
[08:06] <enkeyz> *things
[08:07] <enkeyz> I'll check with clamav to be sure ROFL
[08:08] <Unit193> You can get the source and build, or compare the source to `make distcheck` from git.
[08:18] <enkeyz> Unit193: totally not working right
[08:19] <enkeyz> after enabling composition, desktop is freezed, not clickable
[08:19] <Unit193> What glitches?
[08:19] <enkeyz> Unit193: looks like it has some dependencies
[08:20] <Unit193> enkeyz: You're on a 64bit system and did  apt install ./xfwm4_4.13.0+git20170601+b2c74634-0aegir1_amd64.deb
[08:21] <enkeyz> i did it in VM first
[08:21] <enkeyz> i'll not mess with my production environment
[08:22] <enkeyz> but yeah, I installed with that command
[08:23] <Unit193> Paste?
[08:24] <enkeyz> sec
[08:30] <enkeyz> Unit193: looks like it doesn't require any dependency. But log files don't show a thing. Enable composition after installing it, and boom. Desktop freezed.
[08:32] <Unit193> enkeyz: Restarted xfwm4?
[08:33] <enkeyz> yep
[08:33] <enkeyz> same thing
[08:34] <Unit193> Only output I got was (on my netbook): (xfwm4:7783): xfwm4-WARNING **: GL not available
[08:34] <Unit193> Seems fine, doesn't kill itself at least.
[08:34] <enkeyz> it's working for you?
[08:35] <Unit193> So far, but problems were in a 32bit VM.  When you started up, no desktop and it basically painted a window over everything so you couldn't interact.
[08:35] <Unit193> (IIRC.)
[09:24] <Unit193> enkeyz: Up, yeah.  Hearing that it's causing the same issues under VM that it usually does.  Guess that's still not fixed. :/
[10:02] <enkeyz> Unit193: maybe we can figure something out in dev channel
[13:36] <enkeyz> Unit193: are you there?
[13:38] <popz> are there premade grsec images for 17.04 ?
[13:39] <enkeyz> Unit193: try configure xfwm4-git with this command: ./configure --disable-xpresent --enable-epoxy
[13:39] <enkeyz> works perfectly
[13:39] <enkeyz> one of the devs posted a fix 2 hours ago, and not it's good
[13:40] <enkeyz> -not
[13:40] <enkeyz> and it's really good: screen tearing gone, and nobody need to use compton
[19:43] <Olympus> cannot seem to get the 17.04 live dvd to connect to the internet. It sees the router but will not connect with my password.
[19:43] <diogenes_> Olympus, try rebooting the router
[19:44] <Olympus> diogenes_ thanks, I'll give that a try.
[19:44] <diogenes_> yw
[20:08] <Olympus> diogenes_, That worked, thanks again.
[20:08] <diogenes_> Olympus, yw
[21:46] <marcker> Hi, dudes! how to start xfce-terminal with tmux (and/or others) automatically on open it?