[01:46] <johnjay> hmm. does linux or ubuntu have a standard way of backing up to a second partition
[01:46] <johnjay> or do I just sort of use gparted and clone it or something?
[03:21] <heisenberg> hello all GSW!
[08:00] <enkeyz000> hello guys
[08:01] <enkeyz000> just installed ubuntu mate and wanted to use compiz, but when I click to a panel, the whole desktop became unresponsive
[08:01] <enkeyz000> for a minute
[08:03] <alejandro> hi
[08:03] <alejandro> new in ubuntu mate
[08:05] <alkisg> Hello
[08:06] <enkeyz000> I dont understand, why compiz included, when its not working with mate-panel
[08:09] <enkeyz000> can somebody help me with my problem
[08:12] <enkeyz000> https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-panel/issues/249
[08:12] <enkeyz000> looks like they fixed it git
[08:12] <enkeyz000> but when will I able to use this
[11:20] <enkeyz> hello guys: I have same problem like this guy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1611797
[11:20] <enkeyz> Using Ubuntu MATE 17.04
[11:21] <enkeyz> looks like, that "fix" didn't fix anyting
[11:26] <alkisg> Use the preselected window manager then, and a stable LTS version :)
[11:27] <enkeyz> neither of them working
[11:27] <alkisg> Marco and 16.04 work fine here
[11:27] <enkeyz> I have rx 480 which have problems with 16.04 and 16.10
[11:27] <alkisg> Does it work with marco --no-composite?
[11:28] <alkisg> You can also use the x-staging ppa
[11:28] <alkisg> To get updated drivers and xorg for 16.04
[11:28] <enkeyz> with no compositor I get screen tearing and buggy interfaces
[11:29] <alkisg> Screen tearing where? E.g. vlc works better without a compositor
[11:29] <alkisg> Buggy interfaces where?
[11:29] <alkisg> And, tearing is still better than a non-working DE
[11:29] <alkisg> Until better drivers land for your card...
[11:30] <enkeyz> did you read the bug description?
[11:30] <alkisg> No, I read what you said yesterday
[11:30] <enkeyz> it says it got fixed
[11:30] <enkeyz> then read it
[11:31] <alkisg> OK, I read it
[11:31] <alkisg> It's not the first time that someone has the same symptoms of a "fixed" bug
[11:31] <alkisg> It happens 100 times per day
[11:32] <alkisg> It might mean it's not properly fixed, or that you're affected by a different bug with the same symptoms
[11:32] <alkisg> In any case, you're supposed to comment on the bug report with your findings
[11:32] <enkeyz> done
[11:33] <alkisg> The person that fixed it, alberts, isn't using mate, if you're hoping to find him here
[11:35] <enkeyz> but really: how can I have the same issue: can't click on unfocused windows, when he says, it's fixed
[11:37] <alkisg> enkeyz: btw, 17.04 doesn't include the fix
[11:37] <alkisg> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=compiz
[11:37] <alkisg> zesty (x11): 	OpenGL window and compositing manager             1:0.9.13.1+17.04.20170109-0ubuntu1: all
[11:37] <alkisg> This bug was fixed in the package compiz - 1:0.9.13.1+17.10.20170427-0ubuntu1
[11:38] <enkeyz> 17.10?
[11:38] <alkisg> Yes, that's what the bug report says
[11:38] <alkisg> So you'd need a backport to see if that was the bug that affected you
[11:38] <enkeyz> there isnt 17.10 out there
[11:38] <alkisg> It's the development version
[11:39] <alkisg> That's how bug fixes work, first in the dev version, and if someone files an SRU, they backport them
[11:39] <enkeyz> where can I get that?
[11:39] <alkisg> !sru
[11:39] <alkisg> That's how you properly request it
[11:39] <alkisg> An uncertain way would be just to download the 17.10 compiz.deb and try to install it with dpkg
[11:40] <alkisg> From the packages.ubuntu.com site above
[11:40] <enkeyz> alkisg: or maybe they will backport it, if I'M asking nice?
[11:41] <alkisg> Usually no. You'd need to file an "SRU" back report as the wiki page says
[11:41] <alkisg> The devs don't bother to file SRUs themselves for low-priority bugs
[11:41] <alkisg> They leave that up to the usres
[11:41] <alkisg> *users
[11:41] <alkisg> *back report => bug report
[11:44] <enkeyz> alkisg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1697162
[11:44] <enkeyz> done
[11:45] <alkisg> enkeyz: now it's my turn to ask, did you read the wiki page? :)
[11:45] <alkisg> You didn't file an SRU; you only filed a bug report there
[11:45] <alkisg> SRUs are bug reports, but formatted in a specific way
[11:45] <alkisg> Read it
[11:45] <enkeyz> alkisg: you mean the template
[11:46] <alkisg> And the information in the template
[11:46] <alkisg> How to reproduce it etc
[11:47] <enkeyz> that link isn't enough?
[11:47] <alkisg> No
[11:50] <alkisg> You can also do the SRU steps in the original bug report
[11:50] <alkisg> Press "edit description" there and make it SRU-like
[11:52] <enkeyz> done
[12:12] <erle-> Is it a known issue that Unity (engine) games have problems with MATE?
[12:13] <erle-> In particular KSP.
[12:13] <erle-> The same issues existed with Gnome, that was my sole reason for actually using Unity (desktop)
[12:22] <enkeyz> Ubuntu MATE not as stable as I thought
[12:22] <enkeyz> just found only 4 bug within a day
[12:22] <alkisg> Compiz isn't part of ubuntu mate :)
[12:22] <enkeyz> why it's included then?
[12:22] <erle-> But it is switched on by default, alkisg.
[12:22] <alkisg> 50.000 packages in debian
[12:22] <alkisg> All included...
[12:23] <alkisg> Mate is the de, not those packages
[12:23] <enkeyz> I mean, why setup is installed Compiz, if it's know to be not stable?
[12:24] <alkisg> libreoffice has 1000  open bugs
[12:24] <alkisg> Would you prefer not to include it?
[12:24] <alkisg> Compiz has 200 open bugs
[12:24] <alkisg> Same
[12:25] <alkisg> Software has bugs, and de and distro maintainers select the best software they can find
[12:25] <alkisg> That doesn't make it bug-free
[12:26] <enkeyz> sure
[12:26] <enkeyz> tried Kubuntu before, after install didn't find any bug
[12:26] <enkeyz> no screen tearing, nothing
[12:26] <enkeyz> worked out of the box
[12:26] <alkisg> Check the kubuntu bug tracker, I'm sure it has more than 10.000 bugs
[12:27] <alkisg> If you didn't find them, be glad
[12:27] <enkeyz> Least I find some here :D
[12:27] <erle-> I have not seen any bugs in Ubuntu Mate in about a year now tbh.
[12:27] <erle-> Using it on two computers now
[12:27] <erle-> one migrated from regular Ubuntu, ohne freshly installed
[12:30] <enkeyz> first bug I found when I resize the panel, icons aren't resizing themselves perfectly
[12:30] <enkeyz> volume icon is 3 times bigger than others
[12:34] <enkeyz> this distro is like when I want to customize something, it will break
[12:39] <enkeyz> I only changed from arch linux, because fontconfig-infinality project is dead, and I need Ubuntu like font rendering
[12:41] <alkisg> Guys, all bugs are filed online, it's not a secreat that there are thousands of them
[12:41] <alkisg> If you didn't locate any yet, you're  lucky :)
[14:31] <khw> On the "Add to Panel" dialog box, if I click on Terminal, instead I get a Clock app added.  Clicking on Clock also gives me clock.
[14:32] <khw> MATE Desktop Environment 1.18.0
[15:07] <Kenzo> hey all, doe anyone know how to reverse this command? "xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1280x720 --same-as eDP-1"
[15:11] <alkisg> What would the reverse mean?
[15:13] <Kenzo> alkisg, good question. i ran this command to get the display on my external monitor to look close to normal, i hadn't checked the box "same image in all monitors" before running it. so now this command is running at the wrong time. i needed it when i click to mirror displays
[15:13] <Kenzo> if that makes sense
[15:13] <alkisg> Yes I remember, I'm the one that gave you that command :)
[15:14] <alkisg> Or was that to another user? :)
[15:14] <alkisg> Put the output of `xrandr` to pastebin
[15:14] <alkisg> And then mention which resolution you want on each monitor
[15:15] <Kenzo> yes i think you were :) ok
[15:19] <Kenzo> alkisg, oh dear i think i've messed up both displays. here's the output https://pastebin.com/Feds3x6B
[15:24] <Kenzo> i've altered the display setting of my laptop somehow and now the bottom panel doesn't fit on the screen
[15:28] <Kenzo> anyone there?
[15:36] <alkisg> Kenzo: This page has been removed!
[15:37] <alkisg> Paste it again, and don't seelect 2 mins only :D
[15:37] <alkisg> be back in 30'...
[15:40] <Kenzo> alkisg, https://pastebin.com/bdCvKQrB
[15:48] <alkisg> Kenzo: you forgot to run the addmode command
[15:49] <alkisg> xrandr --addmode eDP-1 1280x720
[15:49] <Kenzo> alkisg, no idea how to do that unfortunately.
[15:49] <Kenzo> ah
[15:49] <alkisg> Check the online irclogs for our previous chat
[15:49] <alkisg> Everything here is logged :D
[15:49] <Kenzo> wow, how do i do that?
[15:49] <alkisg> After that, run the xrandr command with the --same-as parameter
[15:50] <alkisg> irclogs.ubuntu.com
[15:50]  * alkisg waves, later...
[15:50] <Kenzo> thanks
[16:14] <Guest48328> willy@ubun
[17:08] <CoderEurope> flexiondotorg, how was the chow ?
[18:36] <Kenzo> is there a bugs channel?
[18:51] <zaga> Hi everyone should someone know how can I get the Plank icon out of its own dock...?
[18:53] <zaga> Second question... Does anyone know if there is an Italian channel for mate?
[18:54] <zaga> ...I know English a little bit but I think Italian is better 4 me
[19:13] <Kenzo> hey just looking for some advice if anyone's around
[19:13] <Akuli> yes?
[19:14] <Akuli> zaga, probably not to mate, but for ubuntu in general there is
[19:14] <Akuli> !it | zaga
[19:15] <Kenzo> i've just done an upgrade of my system so now i have kernel version 4.10.22. i've been told that there are Changes for xorg versions:
[19:15] <Kenzo> Installed version: 1:7.7+13ubuntu3 Available version: 1:7.7+16ubuntu3 but when i try to install this in synaptic i get a warning about it not being authenticated
[19:15] <zaga> Already done but no one is answering... So here is better
[19:15] <Akuli> ok
[19:15] <Akuli> it's a bit quiet sometimes :)
[19:15] <Akuli> Kenzo, oh are you the guy that was upgrading xorg to something really really new?
[19:17] <Kenzo> Akuli, nope, first time with a xorg query. i just ran sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt update and followed the instructions. just wondering if it's safe to upgrade to the un-authenticated xorg
[19:17] <Akuli> oh
[19:17] <Akuli> try running sudo apt update first
[19:17] <Akuli> then sudo apt upgrade
[19:18] <Akuli> the authentication warning will probably go away
[19:18] <Kenzo> ah ok
[19:19] <Kenzo> terminal advises to run apt list --upgradable
[19:19] <Akuli> yeah you can skip that
[19:19] <Akuli> you'll see the list when you upgrade anyway
[19:20] <Kenzo> when i run this command it shows that i have an old version of the xwindows system. i can update it in synaptic manually but it won't do automatically with software updater
[19:21] <Akuli> does it matter if it's old?
[19:21] <Akuli> like, is there some new feature that you need?
[19:22] <Kenzo> if it can fix the issues i have hooking up to my tv via hdmi? then that's be awesome but i don't know whether that's the root of the problem
[19:22] <Akuli> it's probably not
[19:23] <Akuli> i'm not good at fixing stuff like that, alkisg might know but he's not here right now
[19:24] <Kenzo> yeah i was having a chat with him earlier about it. wish i could fix it myself but don't have the know-how. it's fine in mint-18.2 so it's nothing to do with hardware
[19:24] <Akuli> have you checked the x version on the mint?
[19:24] <Akuli> also, were you running mint on the same computer as ubuntu mate?
[19:25] <Kenzo> i didn't but that's a smart idea. i booted it from live usb on same laptop yes. ubuntu mate is the primary OS
[19:26] <Akuli> yeah try mint on the laptop that you have the problem with
[19:26] <Akuli> mint isn't really that different from ubuntu, so i don't expect it to make a big difference
[19:27] <Kenzo> yes i tried on the laptop, i was surprised it worked. i don't know what's wrong with the diplay settings on my system
[19:28] <Akuli> oh mint works? ok
[19:28] <Akuli> one thing you can do is to copy the settings from mint
[19:29] <Akuli> hmm
[19:29] <Kenzo> yeah i ran the 18.2 beta release from a usb and the display settings when hooked via hdmi tothe external monitor worked out of the box. but i don't know what's different
[19:29] <Akuli> i used to remember where the screen settings are stored
[19:30] <Kenzo> if i knew where the settings were i'd be happy to tinker around but i don't know where the problem is rooted at
[19:30] <Akuli> hmm
[19:30] <Akuli> i'm almost sure the file name was monitors.xml
[19:30] <Akuli> but i can't find it anywhere
[19:31] <Kenzo> i just searched and i can't either.
[19:31] <Akuli> maybe it has changed?
[19:31] <Akuli> i don't know
[19:32] <Akuli> i don't have more ideas :( at least you can check the versions
[19:32] <Kenzo> alkisg gave me a command as a workaround "xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1280x720 --same-as eDP-1"
[19:32] <Kenzo> unfortunately i missed some of the command so the displays are always mirrored even when i don't want them to be
[19:34] <Akuli> you can run "xrandr --help"  or "man xrandr" to get a list of everything it can do
[19:34] <Akuli> seems to be a lot of stuff
[19:34] <Akuli> but hopefully some of it is useful
[19:34] <Kenzo> yeah i tried that and was overwhelmed
[19:34] <Kenzo> i then tinkered and messed up the display but luckily a restart fixed it
[19:35] <Akuli> i don't think these settings are saved anywhere
[19:35] <Akuli> so i guess restarting should always fix everything you can do with xrandr
[19:35] <Akuli> crap these options aren't even grouped in any way :(
[19:35] <Akuli> just all listed like lel
[19:36] <Akuli> Kenzo, scroll down to the bottom of the man page, there are some examples about using it
[19:36] <Akuli> maybe they are helpful :)
[19:36] <Kenzo> ahh will do, thanks :)
[19:36] <Akuli> you might find it useless too
[19:36] <Akuli> i don't know
[19:38] <Kenzo> wow there are alot of options
[19:41] <Akuli> that's nothing
[19:41] <Akuli> curl is a program for uploading and downloading stuff from the net
[19:42] <Akuli> its man page is 2452 lines long :D
[19:42] <Kenzo> :o
[19:42] <Kenzo> glad i don't have to deal with that
[19:42] <Akuli> yeah... it is long
[19:42] <Akuli> nobody really reads through all of it at once
[19:42] <Akuli> more like searching for whatever from it
[19:43] <Akuli> hey
[19:43] <Akuli> vlc's "full help" is 6413 lines long :D
[19:43] <Akuli> lol
[19:43] <Kenzo> there should be a leader board for longest man pages!
[19:45] <Kenzo> the display on my external monitor is part missing because the settings don't detect and adapt to it's resolution
[19:52] <Kenzo> Akuli, the commands at the bottom of the xrandr man page specifically for Forces to use a 1024x768 mode on an output called VGA: might be what i need. do all those commands need to be run or is it just giving me a selection?
[19:52] <Akuli> run just one of them
[19:52] <Akuli> not all :)
[19:52] <Akuli> also feel free to change them to do what you need
[19:53] <Kenzo> ah thanks. and you said this doesn't save anywhere? because i like to backup before i break lol
[19:53] <Akuli> i'm pretty sure it doesn't
[19:54] <Akuli> would be odd if some things would reset on reboot but others wouldn't
[19:54] <Akuli> if it would screw things up we could still get your files back easily
[19:58] <Kenzo> no joy, it didn't work. if only i could figure out where these settings are
[19:59] <Akuli> i'm not a big mint fan but i would probably use mint in this case
[19:59] <Akuli> there's a mate version of mint that isn't too different from ubuntu mate
[20:01] <Kenzo> no i'm not a big mint fan too. and it's only their most recent beta release that works with my wireless card because they've been living int he stone ages with kernel version 4.4 something until recently and my card needed 4.8+ to work
[20:01] <Kenzo> mint also is very buggy, the screen dims when watching videos because it thinks it's idle. next minute screensaver
[20:03] <Akuli> you can change that in the settings
[20:03] <Akuli> you can also install a newer kernel in their update manager
[20:03] <Akuli> they are kind of stone-aged with kernel versions though
[20:04] <Akuli> ubuntu people like to complain about that when it comes to mint :)
[20:06] <Kenzo> haha yeah i do complain quite a bit about it i guess. has you tried arandr? it's a visual front end of xrandr
[20:07] <Akuli> no, tbh i have never used xrandr either
[20:10] <Kenzo> hmm think i'll give it a go. maybe a gui might be more forgiving
[20:10] <Akuli> try it out
[20:10] <Akuli> yeah usually guis are nicer to work with when you're new to something
[20:10] <Akuli> command-line is faster when you know how things work, but not when getting started
[20:11] <Kenzo> tried and it's the monitor preferences that are pre-installed but more basic.
[20:12] <Akuli> lol
[20:12] <Akuli> hmh
[20:13] <Akuli> i dont know what to do
[20:15] <Kenzo> same. i want to fix things but don't know where to start. where do i acquire this knowledge
[20:15] <Akuli> i don't know
[20:15] <Akuli> one alternative is to just search stuff on google and see if someone has had a similar problem before
[20:16] <Akuli> i'm pretty sure someone has
[20:17] <Kenzo> yeah i've been googling since install lol but doesn't seem to be a problem for others. i don't even knwo how to report it as a bug/fault so someone can look into it
[20:20] <Akuli> wait, which ubuntu are you using?
[20:21] <Kenzo> i'm using the official ubuntu-mate flavour. 17.04
[20:23] <Akuli> ok, so its new... no idea what to do
[20:25] <Kenzo> lol what are you running?
[20:28] <Akuli> i have this old ubuntu 14.04 and a simple screen setup, works by default
[20:28] <Akuli> just one display
[20:31] <Kenzo> ah ok. everything else works apart from mirroring the displays in the external monitor. nearly perfect
[23:39] <blaeser> Hello?