[00:06] <juliank> Tried installing 16.04.2 for a friend today. Wanted to have LVM on UEFI with separate home. Started with netboot image - did not work with UEFI (what's going on there); then switched to an Xubuntu image (because XFCE seems like a good fit), and got completely confused - the installer apparently was creating mbr partition tables, and we could not configure logical volumes ourself.
[00:07] <juliank> In the end, I used cfdisk and pvcreate, vgcreate, lvcreate from the commandline and then selected the partitions in ubiquity.
[00:07] <juliank> But boy, that was unnecessarily complex.
[00:07] <juliank> (Lost about half an hour or so)
[00:09] <juliank> I guess the UEFI thing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1429030
[00:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1429030 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "netboot mini.iso doesn't support UEFI boot" [High,Triaged]
[00:09] <juliank> If anyone knows what I did wrong, please let me know :)
[00:10] <juliank> (He previously had an Arch on there, with 150GB allocated to / and 250GB to /home, I thought that looked ridiculous, and his Arch friends did not appear today, so he runs xubuntu now...)
[00:12] <juliank> We also got hit by bug 1581713 which he was not really happy about
[00:12] <ubottu> bug 1581713 in Ubuntu GNOME "Ubuntu Software always asks for an Ubuntu Single Sign-On account when installing or removing a snap package" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581713
[00:12] <tsimonq2> juliank: Yesterday I did something similar with my laptop, encrypted LUKS partition on top of an ext4 root partition and I got secure boot working and everything with just a debootstrapped install and chroot.
[00:12] <tsimonq2> juliank: If you want any info from me, let me know.
[00:13] <juliank> tsimonq2: Oh we got it working, I just wonder why the installer did not let us configure it and I had to go to the console
[00:14] <juliank> We were in manual mode after all, shouldn't we be able to freely configure logical volumes there?
[00:14] <tsimonq2> juliank: I've had similar problems with Ubiquity on a Kubuntu Artful image but I assumed it was a hardware-specific thing because I could do it on every other computer.
[00:14] <tsimonq2> I couldn't configure it either.
[00:14] <tsimonq2> But I know exactly what you're talking about.
[00:14] <tsimonq2> (because I've had that problem too)
[00:15] <juliank> That's actually the first thing I installed on LVM I think. While my Debian runs on LVM, I actually migrated that on the command line after a few years, and never used an installer for the LVM part.
[00:16] <juliank> tsimonq2: There was also weirdly enough an option to choose where to install the bootloader on, which I thought was ridiculous on an EFI system.
[00:16] <tsimonq2> Well before I just said "f*** it, I'm doing this with the Arch wiki and debootstrap," I did try encrypted LVM
[00:17] <tsimonq2> juliank: I agree
[00:18] <juliank> Oh the arch wiki, what would you need that for?
[00:18] <juliank> Half of the install guide stuff there does not work here, does it?
[00:18] <tsimonq2> juliank: I had no idea what I was doing and it was the first thing that came to mind :P
[00:19] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Simple_partition_layout_with_LUKS
[00:19] <tsimonq2> juliank: And we have that as part of our install guide?!?!? :O
[00:19] <juliank> I guess it's partitioning (ESP + LVM + pvs + vgs + lvs), then debootstrap to /target, and then edit /etc/fstab mount /proc and /sys and /dev in the chroot, install grub-efi, run update-grub, run adduser to add a user
[00:20] <juliank> + cryptsetup before the LVM of course :)
[00:21] <tsimonq2> juliank: Well I just put /boot/efi on sdb1, /boot on sdb2, and / on sdb3
[00:21] <tsimonq2> I was in #ubuntu yesterday figuring out how to do this because this is my first EFI system I've ever had :P
[00:21] <juliank> I put /boot/efi on sda1, and LVM PV in sda2, and just /, /home, and /swap in there - why maintain a separate /boot, makes no sense to me, really
[00:22] <tsimonq2> I didn't know what I was doing lol
[00:22]  * juliank is happy hibernate works with swap-in-lvm. At first it did not, Xorg crashed on resume, but installing the updates fixed that :)
[00:22] <juliank> tsimonq2: It's mostly a matter of preferences, really
[00:22] <juliank> (where to have a separate /boot or not)
[00:23] <juliank> Heck, my own system has a separate /var
[00:23] <tsimonq2> juliank: Yeah, I usually have a separate /home but I decided against it.
[00:23] <tsimonq2> (on the laptop)
[00:23] <juliank> tsimonq2: May I ask why?
[00:25] <tsimonq2> juliank: Why the separate /home in the first place or why I decided against it?
[00:25] <juliank> More the latter
[00:25] <tsimonq2> Because I didn't have confidence my root on LUKS would work, let alone multiple partitions :P
[00:25] <tsimonq2> tsimonq2> I didn't know what I was doing lol
[00:26] <juliank> I see
[00:27] <juliank> For future reference: If you want multiple partitions on LUKS, you usually put an LVM PV on top of the LUKS, then you add add logical volumes in there.
[00:28] <tsimonq2> Ah, ok.
[00:28] <juliank> And LVM is useful, really useful. You can start out with small partitions and increase sizes based on demand :)
[00:28] <tsimonq2> When I reinstall it next, I'll probably just do that :)
[00:28] <tsimonq2> juliank: Thanks for the advice
[00:28] <juliank> and you could do snapshots with lvm, although there are two types and I'm not sure how that works :)
[00:30] <juliank> Oh, that's actually quite easy it seems
[00:31] <juliank> (Take a snapshot of my Debian partition in my linux volume group, with 1GB CoW data storage: lvcreate -L1G -s -n rootsnap /dev/linux/Debian)
[00:32] <tsimonq2> Interesting.
[00:33] <juliank> tsimonq2: I guess this guide works for the LVM stuff: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LVM#Installing_Arch_Linux_on_LVM
[00:34] <juliank> tsimonq2: In your case, obviously instead of /dev/sda2, you'd run pvcreate on your /dev/mapper/<crypt device>
[00:34] <tsimonq2> juliank: Ah, ok.
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