[04:19] okay. intel rapid storage technology (which i believe is a SATA AHCI driver, basically) freezes samsung evo 850 SSDs [04:20] remove it, computer works fine [04:20] annoying [05:38] morning everyone [08:30] Hello all! Does anyone here have any knowledge of Mailtrain (Mailchimp alternative) and how that interacts with Postfix on Ubuntu, please? [08:51] If I am piping a log through netcat to a port on localhost to be looked at by a script, does that port need to be open, or is it by default by it being on localhost? [08:52] If it's on localhost unless the app blocks it I doubt you should have to do anything [08:52] Normally can see stuff like that in the app specific logs though [08:53] morning boys and girls. [08:53] hey brobostigon [08:53] Is it time to go home yet?!? [08:54] hey diplo [08:54] thanks @diplo is there a command that I can use to test the port from the command line? (sorry newbie here) [08:55] you could just telnet localhost [08:55] thanks @diplo [08:55] That'll at least tell you if it'll connect [08:56] one of my firefox tabs is using 100% cpu but no way of telling :( [08:56] "Web content" [08:59] and 3G RAM :| [09:00] is that the new one with per process tabs [09:00] ? [09:01] also, wheee [09:01] 10.0 GiB + 184.2 MiB = 10.2 GiB chrome (71) [09:01] yes [09:01] its taking 10s per tab to close each one [09:02] down to 70 tabs [09:19] isn't there a close all tabs option? [09:22] well, wont it just collapse anyway and close them all when you start running out of memory. [09:24] turns out it was none of the tabs [09:25] a common ff problem. ]# [09:37] erk [09:37] remember when ff was the lean lite browser... [10:36] How do you switch between all those tabs then foobarry ? Use the drop down to select, I get fed up when it hits 20 or so and just close them [10:37] 20 seems to be about my maximum tolerated number as well [11:06] $ ps aux | grep -ic chrome [11:06] 76 [11:06] http://imgur.com/a/4UTMe :S [11:11] on plus side none of them are tentacle porn searches... [11:43] https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/ [11:46] when i first started in the 80s i used tabs but then as i moved between different editors i found that tabs could mis indent the code depending on the editor so i switched to spaces [12:23] i generally scroll the tabs with the mouse whell [12:23] most of my tabs were github PR reviews and our docs site [12:27] Chromes is defintely better at displaying tabs well displaying just the icons as more tabs open, you have to scroll with FF [12:31] o/ [12:32] Fresh install of 17.04 yesterday and its crashing every couple hours. already 4 times today. Completely freezes up [12:32] any ideas I could look for [12:37] IIRC there were some issues in the kernel or something for intel hardware, maybe make sure you are fully up to date (i can't find the bug right now) [12:42] popey: I am here now. See above [12:43] ahayzen: I have apt update'ed and believe I am as up to date as possible. [12:43] It crashes even when not in use. Lock screen and come back earlier and its dead. [12:43] crashed last night sometime (always leave it running) [12:44] I use it to rdp to my laptop for comfort, has crashed 3 times with only a single rdp session running [12:46] What's the GPU? [12:46] IME hard crashes are faulty hardware, or GPU drivers [12:47] bug 1674838 and bug 1680904 were two that i was referring too. I'd check your syslog and dmesg for anything around the time of the crashes [12:47] bug 1674838 in linux-hwe-edge (Ubuntu Zesty) "kernel BUG at /build/linux-7LGLH_/linux-4.10.0/include/linux/swapops.h:129" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674838 [12:47] bug 1680904 in linux (Ubuntu Zesty) "zesty unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680904 [12:47] I've had hardware that worked well enough on Windows but failed on Linux because it can challenge the hardware a bit more in some ways [12:48] Memtest86 revealed broken memory. As it happened you could even see it in the Windows boot animation - a line of corruption in the Windows logo [13:04] awilkins: it was not crashing on wednesday when I was running 16 [13:06] just crashed when I clicked system... [13:06] dogmatic69__, A friend has had a similar experience with 17 [13:06] Intel® Core™ i5-4570S CPU @ 2.90GHz × 4 [13:06] He went back to 16 also [13:07] To me it sounds suspiciously like GPU problems [13:07] great... [13:07] ye, one crash the screen whet all corrupt [13:07] but that one I was able to drop to shell and get it fixed [13:13] sounds to me like ram issue [13:13] dogmatic69__: run a memtest maybe? [13:25] BTW I have 2x GeForce GTX 550 Ti's that been running for around 2 years. [13:25] popey: Can do, will run one overnight [13:28] I get it sounds like memory issue etc, or hardware. but that it started exactly when I installed 17. Before this my uptime was pushing 3 months [13:36] bummer [13:36] Rebooting after a long spell does sometimes show up hardware faults [13:37] I have a server I need to reboot with a 4year+ uptime and I'm dreading it. [13:43] so it crashed again and figured I would run the mem test. [13:43] well that crashed at 24% [13:43] :| [13:44] seems like a common fault, will try later with this disabled https://superuser.com/questions/876946/memtest-freezing-at-16-percent [13:50] maybe try with half the ram removed [13:50] then again with the other half removed [13:51] (and yes, the first half put back) [13:51] * Seeker` gets out a hacksaw to cut his ram in half [14:04] will try after work and see what I can sort === m0nkey_ is now known as m0nkey_|q [15:52] I have had RAM issues that only showed up on Linux [15:52] Because Windows at the time only used certain CPU instructions for memory stuff and Linux used more [17:56] popey: have run mem test, 100% pass [17:57] pc also crashed 3 times in 15 minutes since... [18:10] switching from xorg to nvidia [18:56] can i run arm7 binaries on arm8? [19:01] i think the answer is "depends" [19:02] inversly proportional to how important it is that they run? :-P [19:05] ali1234: sorry, been quite AWOL! interesting about intel RST, a mate had a samsung 850 EVO that was causing him major issues, worked fine for me so i first told him to update BIOS, then wipe - been fine since [19:06] wiping probably got rid of RST... [19:06] it was installed in the OEM - it's a samsung laptop. i thought it has a sshd, but actually it has a regular hdd and a 8GB ssd soldered to the motherboard [19:07] they've modified rst too [19:07] it will only accept some ancient version from 2012 [19:07] works fine after removing it though [19:07] so now i dont need to do a clean install, hopefully [19:09] oh yeah i wasn't disputing that, he wanted me to pop over and check it out but did it via messages in the end XD [19:09] err you should avoid factory installs 100% of the time [19:09] i know but the install is 5 years old and i dont want to reinstall everything [19:10] its super annoying that a samsung ssd doesn't work with a samsung laptop and the samsung factory install [19:10] but what can you do... [19:10] there a reason it's getting 7? tinfoil hattery over 10? i've got a good 7 image i modified myself that installs almost all the updates you need out of the box [19:10] its always had 7 [19:10] and? [19:11] its my mum's and she won't learn how to use 10 [19:11] its taken her 5 years to learn how to use 7 [19:11] shame, already stuff taking advantage of 7 that's fine under 10 [19:14] anywho my super handy 7 ISO and update pack to get over Windows Update's woes is available for a limited time only! as i likely have to leave home and go sleep at my olds shortly [19:14] all moved out of the hotel this morning and now i'm this far - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTHyfx2mc00 [21:36] i'm relaxing in front of S4C in HD, they haven't said 'Chris Waddle' yet though so i'm sad [21:45] daftykins: my welsh is abit lacking, so its always challenging to understand. [21:46] ja first time i discovered it was after getting in after a few jars with the lads in my youth, i was SO confused that i could only pick up one in every few words [21:48] :) [21:54] and that was when daftykins was speaking... :-P [21:54] do not mock my finest Guernsiase, sir! [21:54] ah the island was full of Frenchies today, sacré bleu [21:57] you weren't told the secret deal for brexit to give it back? #startingRumours [21:58] nooooo [21:59] they'll change our clocks [21:59] we'll have to frenchie up you irc nick leDaftykins [21:59] hawhehawhehaw! [22:00] an change my nick from brobostigon to DonBrobostigon. lol. [22:00] :D [22:00] :) [22:01] or "holy roman emporer brobostigon", :), woops, already taken. [22:01] on plus side, you can really give up on been polite to... well anyone... :-P [22:03] and with brexit you'll be in prime location for smuggling... there's a fortune to be made smuggling german car parts into the uk... :-) [22:04] i'm gonna buy a boat! [22:04] holy roman emporer daftykins, resuurect the holy roman empire and make the best of it, :) [22:04] toga on backorder [22:05] and headgear, and sandles. [22:05] may i suggest a boat name... 'innocent fishing vessel' :-) [22:06] and not something like, 'son of titanic' [22:06] ford pinto... that'll stop the american navy ramming into you... [22:07] i should have said, theresa may, woops.. [22:08] if you name your boat 'theresa may' they will automaticlly nickname it the titanic. [22:08] :) [22:08] it'll be unsinkable as long as you don't call an election [22:08] and hope it's a hard skinned boat as passing tories will jab it with boat hooks in reflex action [22:08] or 'david cameron' for that matter. [22:10] i saw a curragh in boat yard when i had a wander in dun laoire recently... you don't usually see them this side of the island [22:11] remeber the tory sinkings in the 90's which concluded in the 97 landslide, thats going to happen pretty soon. [22:12] they may be able to blame the dup when the ship hits the rocks... it's often the propping up party that gets the blame... see the libdems for details [22:12] but by then the dup will have a few billion worth of investment in northern ireland giving them votes for a few more decades over the uup [22:13] the libdems went in it for the right reasons, they wanted good change, only difference here is the DUP getting into it for the convienence of the tories, nothing more. [22:14] the dup is getting into it for the convenience of the dup... [22:14] agreed. [22:15] right now they are up a certain creek without a paddle due to cash for ash... the hung parliment is a lifeline to them. nothing can go without them in london [22:15] sinn fein has demanded their leader step down... now they can step around their requirements [22:15] or they think they can [22:16] if the northern ireland assembly doesn't restart it could break the agreement in place there... [22:16] and then it will make current situation look... pleasent... :-/ [22:16] under the presumption because they support staying part of the uk and not staying part of the EU, presumption, it support the tories brexit view. [22:17] i've seen 'ra graffitti pop up around here in last week... [22:17] it /funded/ the tory brexit campaign using loopholes [22:19] * brobostigon is a socialist, he likes to support the sciences like CERN and the ESA etc, all this tory twoddle about leaving the EU donkeys all that goo work. [22:20] i studied computer engineering an physics btw. [22:20] nice that france is offering asylum to poor american scientists... [22:21] just like we did, of jewish scientists within ww2. [22:21] and polish scientists, [22:22] ireland had heisenberg teaching classes during 'the emergency' iirc [22:22] as in the teacher of quantum mechanics? [22:23] maybe... :-P [22:23] werner heisenberg? [22:24] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg [22:25] hold on, must be my brain acting up... let me look it up... [22:25] i prefer the dane niels bohr. [22:25] i prefer the dane 'niels bohr'. [22:29] i do like how they hid his nobel prize during wwii [22:30] i di not know that. [22:30] i did not know that. [22:31] hehe, i can get star trek graphic novels on my kindle, :) [22:31] g'night folks \o more painting to do this weekend [22:31] o/ [22:32] o/ [22:32] must make a house a home ^_^ [22:32] can i borrow you daftykins when me and my wife to be, get a house, please,? [22:33] you just throw a house warming party starting at 0800 and ending at 2300 and give everyong a brush, shovel depending on the job you need doing... painting, gardening etc... [22:35] hehe, yeah, :D [22:36] * zmoylan-pi has filled a long skip with rubble at one such event... [22:38] :) [22:40] * zmoylan-pi wanders off for a shower... === ahayzen is now known as Guest24249