[04:19] <ali1234> okay. intel rapid storage technology (which i believe is a SATA AHCI driver, basically) freezes samsung evo 850 SSDs
[04:20] <ali1234> remove it, computer works fine
[04:20] <ali1234> annoying
[05:38] <knightwise> morning everyone
[08:30] <PaulE-UK> Hello all! Does anyone here have any knowledge of Mailtrain (Mailchimp alternative) and how that interacts with Postfix on Ubuntu, please?
[08:51] <PaulE-UK> If I am piping a log through netcat to a port on localhost to be looked at by a script, does that port need to be open, or is it by default by it being on localhost?
[08:52] <diplo> If it's on localhost unless the app blocks it I doubt you should have to do anything
[08:52] <diplo> Normally can see stuff like that in the app specific logs though
[08:53] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:53] <diplo> hey brobostigon
[08:53] <diplo> Is it time to go home yet?!?
[08:54] <brobostigon> hey diplo
[08:54] <PaulE-UK> thanks @diplo is there a command that I can use to test the port from the command line? (sorry newbie here)
[08:55] <diplo> you could just telnet localhost <portnum>
[08:55] <PaulE-UK> thanks @diplo
[08:55] <diplo> That'll at least tell you if it'll connect
[08:56] <foobarry> one of my firefox tabs is using 100% cpu but no way of telling :(
[08:56] <foobarry> "Web content"
[08:59] <foobarry> and 3G RAM :|
[09:00] <popey> is that the new one with per process tabs
[09:00] <popey> ?
[09:01] <popey> also, wheee
[09:01] <popey>  10.0 GiB + 184.2 MiB =  10.2 GiB	chrome (71)
[09:01] <foobarry> yes
[09:01] <foobarry> its taking 10s per tab to close each one
[09:02] <foobarry> down to 70 tabs
[09:19] <zmoylan-pi> isn't there a close all tabs option?
[09:22] <brobostigon> well, wont it just collapse anyway and close them all when you start running out of memory.
[09:24] <foobarry> turns out it was none of the tabs
[09:25] <foobarry> a common ff problem. ]#
[09:37] <popey> erk
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> remember when ff was the lean lite browser...
[10:36] <diplo> How do you switch between all those tabs then foobarry ? Use the drop down to select, I get fed up when it hits 20 or so and just close them
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> 20 seems to be about my maximum tolerated number as well
[11:06] <popey> $ ps aux | grep -ic chrome
[11:06] <popey> 76
[11:06] <popey> http://imgur.com/a/4UTMe :S
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> on plus side none of them are tentacle porn searches...
[11:43] <diddledan> https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi> when i first started in the 80s i used tabs but then as i moved between different editors i found that tabs could mis indent the code depending on the editor so i switched to spaces
[12:23] <foobarry> i generally scroll the tabs with the mouse whell
[12:23] <foobarry> most of my tabs were github PR reviews and our docs site
[12:27] <diplo> Chromes is defintely better at displaying tabs well displaying just the icons as more tabs open, you have to scroll with FF
[12:31] <dogmatic69_> o/
[12:32] <dogmatic69_> Fresh install of 17.04 yesterday and its crashing every couple hours. already 4 times today. Completely freezes up
[12:32] <dogmatic69_> any ideas I could look for
[12:37] <ahayzen> IIRC there were some issues in the kernel or something for intel hardware, maybe make sure you are fully up to date (i can't find the bug right now)
[12:42] <dogmatic69_> popey: I am here now. See above
[12:43] <dogmatic69_> ahayzen: I have apt update'ed and believe I am as up to date as possible.
[12:43] <dogmatic69_> It crashes even when not in use. Lock screen and come back earlier and its dead.
[12:43] <dogmatic69_> crashed last night sometime (always leave it running)
[12:44] <dogmatic69_> I use it to rdp to my laptop for comfort, has crashed 3 times with only a single rdp session running
[12:46] <awilkins> What's the GPU?
[12:46] <awilkins> IME hard crashes are faulty hardware, or GPU drivers
[12:47] <ahayzen> bug 1674838 and bug 1680904 were two that i was referring too. I'd check your syslog and dmesg for anything around the time of the crashes
[12:47] <awilkins> I've had hardware that worked well enough on Windows but failed on Linux because it can challenge the hardware a bit more in some ways
[12:48] <awilkins> Memtest86 revealed broken memory. As it happened you could even see it in the Windows boot animation - a line of corruption in the Windows logo
[13:04] <dogmatic69_> awilkins: it was not crashing on wednesday when I was running 16
[13:06] <dogmatic69__> just crashed when I clicked system...
[13:06] <awilkins> dogmatic69__, A friend has had a similar experience with 17
[13:06] <dogmatic69__> Intel® Core™ i5-4570S CPU @ 2.90GHz × 4
[13:06] <awilkins> He went back to 16 also
[13:07] <awilkins> To me it sounds suspiciously like GPU problems
[13:07] <dogmatic69__> great...
[13:07] <dogmatic69__> ye, one crash the screen whet all corrupt
[13:07] <dogmatic69__> but that one I was able to drop to shell and get it fixed
[13:13] <popey> sounds to me like ram issue
[13:13] <popey> dogmatic69__: run a memtest maybe?
[13:25] <dogmatic69__> BTW I have 2x GeForce GTX 550 Ti's that been running for around 2 years.
[13:25] <dogmatic69__> popey: Can do, will run one overnight
[13:28] <dogmatic69__> I get it sounds like memory issue etc, or hardware. but that it started exactly when I installed 17. Before this my uptime was pushing 3 months
[13:36] <popey> bummer
[13:36] <diplo> Rebooting after a long spell does sometimes show up hardware faults
[13:37] <diplo> I have a server I need to reboot with a 4year+ uptime and I'm dreading it.
[13:43] <dogmatic69__> so it crashed again and figured I would run the mem test.
[13:43] <dogmatic69__> well that crashed at 24%
[13:43] <dogmatic69__> :|
[13:44] <dogmatic69__> seems like a common fault, will try later with this disabled https://superuser.com/questions/876946/memtest-freezing-at-16-percent
[13:50] <popey> maybe try with half the ram removed
[13:50] <popey> then again with the other half removed
[13:51] <popey> (and yes, the first half put back)
[13:51]  * Seeker` gets out a hacksaw to cut his ram in half
[14:04] <dogmatic69__> will try after work and see what I can sort
[15:52] <awilkins> I have had RAM issues that only showed up on Linux
[15:52] <awilkins> Because Windows at the time only used certain CPU instructions for memory stuff and Linux used more
[17:56] <dogmatic69_> popey: have run mem test, 100% pass
[17:57] <dogmatic69_> pc also crashed 3 times in 15 minutes since...
[18:10] <dogmatic69_> switching from xorg to nvidia
[18:56] <foobarry> can i run arm7 binaries on arm8?
[19:01] <foobarry> i think the answer is "depends"
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> inversly proportional to how important it is that they run? :-P
[19:05] <daftykins> ali1234: sorry, been quite AWOL! interesting about intel RST, a mate had a samsung 850 EVO that was causing him major issues, worked fine for me so i first told him to update BIOS, then wipe - been fine since
[19:06] <ali1234> wiping probably got rid of RST...
[19:06] <ali1234> it was installed in the OEM - it's a samsung laptop. i thought it has a sshd, but actually it has a regular hdd and a 8GB ssd soldered to the motherboard
[19:07] <ali1234> they've modified rst too
[19:07] <ali1234> it will only accept some ancient version from 2012
[19:07] <ali1234> works fine after removing it though
[19:07] <ali1234> so now i dont need to do a clean install, hopefully
[19:09] <daftykins> oh yeah i wasn't disputing that, he wanted me to pop over and check it out but did it via messages in the end XD
[19:09] <daftykins> err you should avoid factory installs 100% of the time
[19:09] <ali1234> i know but the install is 5 years old and i dont want to reinstall everything
[19:10] <ali1234> its super annoying that a samsung ssd doesn't work with a samsung laptop and the samsung factory install
[19:10] <ali1234> but what can you do...
[19:10] <daftykins> there a reason it's getting 7? tinfoil hattery over 10? i've got a good 7 image i modified myself that installs almost all the updates you need out of the box
[19:10] <ali1234> its always had 7
[19:10] <daftykins> and?
[19:11] <ali1234> its my mum's and she won't learn how to use 10
[19:11] <ali1234> its taken her 5 years to learn how to use 7
[19:11] <daftykins> shame, already stuff taking advantage of 7 that's fine under 10
[19:14] <daftykins> anywho my super handy 7 ISO and update pack to get over Windows Update's woes is available for a limited time only! as i likely have to leave home and go sleep at my olds shortly
[19:14] <daftykins> all moved out of the hotel this morning and now i'm this far - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTHyfx2mc00
[21:36] <daftykins> i'm relaxing in front of S4C in HD, they haven't said 'Chris Waddle' yet though so i'm sad
[21:45] <brobostigon> daftykins: my welsh is abit lacking, so its always challenging to understand.
[21:46] <daftykins> ja first time i discovered it was after getting in after a few jars with the lads in my youth, i was SO confused that i could only pick up one in every few words
[21:48] <brobostigon> :)
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> and that was when daftykins was speaking... :-P
[21:54] <daftykins> do not mock my finest Guernsiase, sir!
[21:54] <daftykins> ah the island was full of Frenchies today, sacré bleu
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> you weren't told the secret deal for brexit to give it back? #startingRumours
[21:58] <daftykins> nooooo
[21:59] <daftykins> they'll change our clocks
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> we'll have to frenchie up you irc nick leDaftykins
[21:59] <daftykins> hawhehawhehaw!
[22:00] <brobostigon> an change my nick from brobostigon to DonBrobostigon. lol.
[22:00] <daftykins> :D
[22:00] <brobostigon> :)
[22:01] <brobostigon> or "holy roman emporer brobostigon", :), woops, already taken.
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> on plus side, you can really give up on been polite to... well anyone... :-P
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> and with brexit you'll be in prime location for smuggling... there's a fortune to be made smuggling german car parts into the uk... :-)
[22:04] <daftykins> i'm gonna buy a boat!
[22:04] <brobostigon> holy roman emporer daftykins, resuurect the holy roman empire and make the best of it, :)
[22:04] <daftykins> toga on backorder
[22:05] <brobostigon> and headgear, and sandles.
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> may i suggest a boat name... 'innocent fishing vessel' :-)
[22:06] <brobostigon> and not something like, 'son of titanic'
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> ford pinto... that'll stop the american navy ramming into you...
[22:07] <brobostigon> i should have said, theresa may, woops..
[22:08] <brobostigon> if you name your boat 'theresa may' they will automaticlly nickname it the titanic.
[22:08] <brobostigon> :)
[22:08] <daftykins> it'll be unsinkable as long as you don't call an election
[22:08] <zmoylan-pi> and hope it's a hard skinned boat as passing tories will jab it with boat hooks in reflex action
[22:08] <brobostigon> or 'david cameron' for that matter.
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> i saw a curragh in boat yard when i had a wander in dun laoire recently... you don't usually see them this side of the island
[22:11] <brobostigon> remeber the tory sinkings in the 90's which concluded in the 97 landslide, thats going to happen pretty soon.
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> they may be able to blame the dup when the ship hits the rocks... it's often the propping up party that gets the blame... see the libdems for details
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> but by then the dup will have a few billion worth of investment in northern ireland giving them votes for a few more decades over the uup
[22:13] <brobostigon> the libdems went in it for the right reasons, they wanted good change, only difference here is the DUP getting into it for the convienence of the tories, nothing more.
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> the dup is getting into it for the convenience of the dup...
[22:14] <brobostigon> agreed.
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> right now they are up a certain creek without a paddle due to cash for ash... the hung parliment is a lifeline to them.  nothing can go without them in london
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> sinn fein has demanded their leader step down... now they can step around their requirements
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> or they think they can
[22:16] <zmoylan-pi> if the northern ireland assembly doesn't restart it could break the agreement in place there...
[22:16] <zmoylan-pi> and then it will make current situation look... pleasent... :-/
[22:16] <brobostigon> under the presumption because they support staying part of the uk and not staying part of the EU, presumption, it support the tories brexit view.
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen 'ra graffitti pop up around here in last week...
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> it /funded/ the tory brexit campaign using loopholes
[22:19]  * brobostigon is a socialist, he likes to support the sciences like CERN and the ESA etc, all this tory twoddle about leaving the EU donkeys all that goo work.
[22:20] <brobostigon> i studied computer engineering an physics btw.
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> nice that france is offering asylum to poor american scientists...
[22:21] <brobostigon> just like we did, of jewish scientists within ww2.
[22:21] <brobostigon> and polish scientists,
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> ireland had heisenberg teaching classes during 'the emergency' iirc
[22:22] <brobostigon> as in the teacher of quantum mechanics?
[22:23] <zmoylan-pi> maybe... :-P
[22:23] <brobostigon> werner heisenberg?
[22:24] <brobostigon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> hold on, must be my brain acting up... let me look it up...
[22:25] <brobostigon> i prefer the dane niels bohr.
[22:25] <brobostigon> i prefer the dane 'niels bohr'.
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> i do like how they hid his nobel prize during wwii
[22:30] <brobostigon> i di not know that.
[22:30] <brobostigon> i did not know that.
[22:31] <brobostigon> hehe, i can get star trek graphic novels on my kindle, :)
[22:31] <daftykins> g'night folks \o more painting to do this weekend
[22:31] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[22:32] <brobostigon> o/
[22:32] <daftykins> must make a house a home ^_^
[22:32] <brobostigon> can i borrow you daftykins when me and my wife to be, get a house, please,?
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> you just throw a house warming party starting at 0800 and ending at 2300 and give everyong a brush, shovel depending on the job you need doing... painting, gardening etc...
[22:35] <brobostigon> hehe, yeah, :D
[22:36]  * zmoylan-pi has filled a long skip with rubble at one such event...
[22:38] <brobostigon> :)
[22:40]  * zmoylan-pi wanders off for a shower...