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* dpb1 drops off sword and starts a campfire15:54
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dpb1#startmeeting ubuntu-server-team15:59
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Jun 20 15:59:52 2017 UTC.  The chair is dpb1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:59
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick15:59
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dpb1who we got?15:59
ahasenacko/16:00
* dpb1 stokes fire a bit waiting for people to show16:00
rbasako/16:00
smbo/16:00
dpb1#topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting16:01
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powersjo/16:02
dpb1#action  rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page (carried over)16:02
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page (carried over)16:02
rbasakCarry over please16:02
dpb1hm16:03
dpb1to carry over do we just leave it sit?16:03
* rbasak is adding a Trello card :-/16:03
dpb1ty16:03
dpb1#action nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)16:03
meetingologyACTION: nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)16:03
dpb1#action nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)16:03
meetingologyACTION: nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)16:03
dpb1still want to do these two nacc ?16:03
teward(I'm late, sorry)16:04
naccdpb1: yeah, carry them please16:04
cpaelzerthe embarrassment-level of having these all these release notes still around is rising :-)16:04
cpaelzerhi teward16:04
dpb1ok rharper your turn16:04
dpb1rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)16:04
dpb1rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)16:04
dpb1these feel more done, since we have them on rtd16:04
rharpercarry of course16:05
dpb1could we link them to the RTD pages?16:05
rharperyes16:05
ahasenackwhat's rtf?16:05
ahasenacker16:05
ahasenackrtd16:05
dpb1readthedocs16:05
rharperRead The Docs16:05
dpb1#action rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)16:05
meetingologyACTION: rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)16:05
dpb1#action rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)16:05
meetingologyACTION: rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)16:05
cpaelzer#link http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/16:05
dpb1#link http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/16:05
cpaelzerthanks dpb116:06
dpb1#topic Artful Development16:06
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dpb1#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule16:06
dpb1#subtopic Trello16:06
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dpb1Just wanted to let everyone know we have replaced "the blueprint" with a trello board16:06
dpb1#link https://trello.com/b/U9HhWyT0/daily-ubuntu-server16:07
dpb1know we talked about it last week, but just a reminder16:07
tewarddpb1: +1 for that - it's a lot more useful than 'the blueprint' in my opinion.16:07
dpb1thx teward16:07
teward(also better at-a-glance to see what's going on in what states)16:07
dpb1+116:07
dpb1#subtopic Active work that may need wider communication16:07
dpb1#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server16:08
cpaelzerI have something I wondered on devel, actually on proposed migration in general16:08
dpb1floor is yours cpaelzer16:08
cpaelzerif any migration issues were overrulled by the power of an AA or such, can that be tracked afterwards anywhere?16:08
cpaelzer-l16:08
ahasenackwhat are the usual reasons?16:09
ahasenackflaky tests?/16:09
tewardtestsuite fail16:09
cpaelzeryes16:09
tewardpackage dependencies not built16:09
tewardetc.16:09
ahasenackI think for flaky tests a bug can be filed16:09
ahasenackwe shouldn't get used to failing tests16:09
tewardthere's also the case where "new binary packages" exist that didn't exist before and they usually are just cashiered in.16:10
dpb1cpaelzer: you mean, we have moved the trello card into done already, that kind of tracking?16:10
cpaelzerno16:10
cpaelzerlet me explain16:10
cpaelzerI had a package which is a auto-sync from Debian16:10
cpaelzerand it passed into artful, so it has completed its proposed migration16:10
cpaelzerI was wondering if somebody "shoved" it through as since then all related tests were failing16:11
tewarddon't non-merge autosyncs skip proposed migration?16:11
cpaelzerI have seen other auto-syncs in migration16:12
cpaelzerif some skip there must be a splitter somewhere which decides16:12
cpaelzere.g. mininet 2.2.2-1 was in artful, but until then http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/mininet/artful/amd64 had NO listing of any 2.2.2-1 test16:12
cpaelzerbut I don't want to pick on this case16:12
cpaelzerI have found and fixed it16:12
cpaelzerI wonder if I have package X in release Y - is there any way/place I can check if anything was --force ?16:13
dpb1audit log16:13
cpaelzerlike as launchpad has a publication history if there is a "package exception history" anywhere?16:13
dpb1or something like that16:13
cpaelzeryeah16:13
ahasenackI guess only an AA can answer16:13
dpb1Might be worth a reach out to ubuntu-devel16:13
cpaelzermaybe with better words, but yes16:14
cpaelzerok I'll take an action to ask16:14
cpaelzerI wanted to know it, so I volunteer to ask about it16:14
dpb1#action cpaelzer reach out to ubuntu-devel@/AA and find out if an audit log of package exceptions exists anywhere16:14
meetingologyACTION: cpaelzer reach out to ubuntu-devel@/AA and find out if an audit log of package exceptions exists anywhere16:14
dpb1Any other topics to bring up about artful development?16:15
dpb1#topic Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (slashd)16:15
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slashdHere's the list of LP bugs that SEG is currently working on : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24908778/16:15
slashd- By any chance, if there is a SRU verification member amongst us who has some cycle, we would appreciate to have someone approving the upload listed under [SRU verification needed] ^. Otherwise, it's fine I'll ask the SRU vanguard.16:15
slashd- Also note that we are currently working on a MIR process to request to uplift 'pcp' pkg from Ubuntu universe to Ubuntu main. The paper work is not ready yet, but we are working on it. I'll probably have more to say about it next week.16:15
slashd#info SRU pending for : percona-xtradb-cluster-5.5, nfs-utils, autofs5, percona-xtradb-cluster-5.6 percona-xtradb-cluster-5.5, multipath-tools, isc-dhcp16:16
dpb1#info SRU pending for : percona-xtradb-cluster-5.5, nfs-utils, autofs5, percona-xtradb-cluster-5.6 percona-xtradb-cluster-5.5, multipath-tools, isc-dhcp16:16
cpaelzeradding - #info further SRU pending: qemu, ntp16:17
dpb1rbasak: any suggestion on the SRU for slashd?16:17
dpb1#info further SRU pending: qemu, ntp16:17
rbasakIt's an endless queue unfortunately. It's my SRU day tomorrow - I'll take a look if I get that far.16:17
slashdrbasak, thanks16:18
dpb1slashd: any help needed on the bug list?16:18
cpaelzerslashd: I wonder - are you usually relying on SRU verification team?16:18
slashddpb1, everything is under control16:18
cpaelzerusually we try to get the reporters to help, who would that be in your case16:19
cpaelzerany on site partner maybe?16:19
slashdcpaelzer, we are always relying on them for SRU16:19
cpaelzeror are they totally out of the loop in your case?16:19
cpaelzerah ok, then it is the same16:19
cpaelzerso "just" the normal SRU duty16:19
cpaelzerwhich rbasak and his peers are fighting the queue16:19
cpaelzerthanks slashd16:19
dpb1thanks slashd for the summary, interesting bugs this week. :)16:20
dpb1#topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj)16:20
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dpb1#link https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/16:20
powersjLast week got the cloud-init tests of COPR complete and running daily. Overhauled the daily tests of cloud-init and as of last night, got the CI pipeline in place and operational. Continue to run into some issues with pylxd and lxd 2.14, so running a local patched version of pylxd until pypi can be updated. And a blog post on our sprint.16:20
powersjThis week get the CI pipeline announced, get the ISO tests green, and back to proposed testing.16:20
powersjquestions?16:20
dpb1have you checked with anyone on the pylxd issue?16:21
dpb1or is there a bug filed?16:21
powersjyes it is a matter of getting a new version uploaded to pypi16:21
powersjand yes16:21
dpb1linky linky?16:21
powersjhttps://github.com/lxc/pylxd/issues/23216:22
slashddpb1, Is it possible to add on the #topic server ddstreet as a backup in case I'm absent ?16:22
dpb1#link https://github.com/lxc/pylxd/issues/23216:22
dpb1#action dpb look into why this is stalled https://github.com/lxc/pylxd/issues/23216:22
meetingologyACTION: dpb look into why this is stalled https://github.com/lxc/pylxd/issues/23216:22
rbasakslashd: I suggest you just go ahead and edit16:23
rbasakhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting16:23
dpb1slashd: I'll do it16:23
slashdrbasak, dpb1 I did but it seems ddstreet disapeared from the list.16:23
dpb1#action dpb add on the #topic server ddstreet as a backup in case slashd is absent ?16:23
meetingologyACTION: dpb add on the #topic server ddstreet as a backup in case slashd is absent ?16:23
slashddpb1, thanks16:23
dpb1slashd: thx for bringing it up16:23
dpb1#topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)16:24
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* rbasak suspects someone is using something other than the agenda to paste in meetingology commands :-)16:24
smbAn embargoed CVE uncloaked on your port side. Many new kernels launched. Otherwise the 4.11 kernel for artful still waits in proposed for better times (not sure what keeps it as I was distracted by previous news item). Are there questions?16:24
cpaelzersmb: since you love the questions ahead of time, 4.14 next LTS is that in time for 18.04 ?16:25
dpb1rbasak: (aside) it's why I took the action, I want to clean up the sources of truth16:25
smbcpaelzer, maybe too soon even.16:26
smbcpaelzer, estimated release of 4.14 is Nov-201716:26
cpaelzer~November/December16:26
cpaelzeryeah16:26
cpaelzertoo bad16:26
cpaelzertry to stall the current 70 day cacle :-)16:26
dpb1As the kernel turns....16:27
smbThose plans ever worked sooo well16:27
dpb1OK.16:27
dpb1thx smb16:27
dpb1#topic Upcoming Call For Papers16:27
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dpb1#link https://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/cfp/16:27
powersjI did submit for debconf, but haven't heard back16:28
dpb1any conferences or deadlines people are aiming for?16:28
cpaelzerI heard that people are going to http://event.share.org/page/share-providence-registration16:28
cpaelzerbut it is too late to submit own ones16:29
cpaelzerI'll track feedback from there with jfh, if it seems useful I might consider that next time16:29
cpaelzerI was a regular speaker there in the past which might help to get accepted16:29
cpaelzerbut for now just FYI16:29
dpb1#link http://event.share.org/page/share-providence-registration16:29
dpb1#info cpaelzer interested in investgating for useful content.16:30
dpb1that will be a great line item in the meeting notes16:30
tewardheh16:30
dpb1#topic Ubuntu Server Team Events16:30
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cpaelzerhehe16:30
tewardbetter than what cpaelzer is taking from an OOB discussion as a quote regarding NTP from me xD  (lol)16:31
cpaelzer#link http://events.share.org/Summer2017/Public/Sessions.aspx?undefinedSuperTrackId=&TrackId=&AssociationId=&DateId=&FormatId=&DurationId=&SpeakerId=&AbilityLevelId=&SessionTypeId=&SubExpoId=&Keyword=ubuntu&&SearchEvent=&View=Sessions_summary16:31
cpaelzerall ubuntu covering sessions scheduled for this time16:31
cpaelzerbut we are at Team events, sorry - too late16:31
dpb1#link http://events.share.org/Summer2017/Public/Sessions.aspx?undefinedSuperTrackId=&TrackId=&AssociationId=&DateId=&FormatId=&DurationId=&SpeakerId=&AbilityLevelId=&SessionTypeId=&SubExpoId=&Keyword=ubuntu&&SearchEvent=&View=Sessions_summary16:31
powersjwe need another bug squashing day, been too long16:31
dpb1cpaelzer: it's ok, the meeting notes are already sunk this week, best to sink them all the way16:31
cpaelzerpowersj: +1 *16:32
dpb1#idea new bug squashing day is needed16:32
cpaelzer* = if nothing in server-next teases you please help clear the expiring backlog16:32
cpaelzermore on the open discussion16:32
dpb1powersj: how do we normally announce it?16:33
* cpaelzer is waiting for dpb1 to spin the topic-wheel-of-fortune16:33
powersjto mailing list16:33
cpaelzernacc: writes to the list16:33
cpaelzerand we update the wiki16:33
cpaelzerthere is a common header on all our pages16:33
nacctechnically anyone can do it16:33
nacc:)16:33
dpb1I nominate powersj to do it16:33
powersj*sigh*16:33
dpb1any seconds?16:33
dpb1:)16:34
powersjgo ahead and give me the action, I'll show the rest of you how to complete an action item16:34
powersj;)16:34
cpaelzeryeah !!16:34
dpb1#humblebrag16:34
rharperlol16:34
dpb1#action powersj schedule a bugsquashing day!16:34
meetingologyACTION: powersj schedule a bugsquashing day!16:34
dpb1exciting16:34
dpb1#topic Open Discussion16:35
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tewardjust... keep yer mitts off nginx - it's gonna have some rapid-changes in the next while :P16:35
dpb1teward: yay!16:35
teward(I literally have an upload 'prepped' if it passes sbuild fails)16:35
tewards/fails//16:35
cpaelzernice16:35
ahasenackcpaelzer: you had something here?16:35
cpaelzeryeah16:35
* dpb1 notices the fire is getting low, good time for open discussion16:35
* teward tosses more logs on the fire.16:35
cpaelzerwe gave some more content to16:35
teward:P16:35
cpaelzer#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase16:36
cpaelzerThere was he suggestion that the better we define that the more we can have:16:36
cpaelzer1. agreement how we actually do things - yeah16:36
cpaelzer2. give other people a chance to help us16:36
cpaelzerPlease anyone who can give it a review and improvment16:36
cpaelzerwe can then use that if we get requests to help our triaging, backlog clearing, ...16:36
dpb1#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase16:36
cpaelzeralong that there is another change to discuss16:37
cpaelzersince the Team sprint we report all expiring backlog16:37
dpb1#help please review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase esp. triage section16:37
cpaelzerthe list is so long that nobody tackles the remaining bugs16:37
cpaelzerand it is discouraging being on triage schedule16:37
cpaelzerrbasak: brought up (thanks!) that this is just the same again we had with triaging at all16:38
cpaelzerthere we made a list of all the backlog we have16:38
cpaelzerand picked them one by one as we could afford to do so16:38
cpaelzerin that mindset I have prepared a few things16:38
cpaelzerour current backlog that we as the Team need to clear16:38
cpaelzer#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16CTKVQUjG78xi527_68uN4kVQ2EVYo6T7pFGouVwL_k/edit?ts=57abafba#gid=73404281616:38
cpaelzernot sure this is public16:38
* dpb1 looks16:38
dpb1oh goodness16:38
cpaelzerthat is a new tab in the same gdoc that helped to clear the old backlog16:39
cpaelzeras painful as it is we need to clear that16:39
dpb1I opened up view access16:39
cpaelzerplease each of us pick a few and get them done in the context as described on the wiki16:39
cpaelzerok dpb116:39
cpaelzerif that is ok there is another extension16:40
cpaelzer#link https://github.com/powersj/ubuntu-server-triage/pull/1316:40
cpaelzerthat is a MP to the triaging tool we use16:40
dpb1#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16CTKVQUjG78xi527_68uN4kVQ2EVYo6T7pFGouVwL_k/edit?ts=57abafba#gid=73404281616:40
dpb1#link https://github.com/powersj/ubuntu-server-triage/pull/1316:40
cpaelzerif merged, it will ensure you only see "YOUR" expiring bugs16:40
cpaelzerso if today is your triage day16:40
cpaelzerthen you'll see all server-next expiring 60 from today16:40
cpaelzer...16:40
cpaelzerbut if you miss to complete your duty today it won't be punted to the next member the next day16:40
cpaelzeron top the list is shorter and less discouraging16:41
cpaelzerany objections to the suggested change in tooling behaviour or how we hadnle the backlog?16:41
* dpb1 recommends next time cpaelzer adds an agenda item for this "open disucssion"16:41
cpaelzeragreed16:42
* cpaelzer begs all your pardon16:42
dpb1cpaelzer: I think it's good.  the wiki summarizes things well16:42
cpaelzerok, lets keep track of picking from the backlog in the daily standup and sync on that next week here16:43
cpaelzer#action check progress on clearing expiration backlog (all of us)16:43
meetingologyACTION: check progress on clearing expiration backlog (all of us)16:43
dpb1hm16:43
cpaelzernice that command seems to work from me - interesting16:43
dpb1can I adjust action items?16:43
cpaelzervery unexpected16:43
* dpb1 "fixes"16:44
ahasenackI like your QA approach :)16:44
ahasenack"this shouldn't work, let's try it"16:44
dpb1#action add agenda item for next week to check on triage progress.16:44
meetingologyACTION: add agenda item for next week to check on triage progress.16:44
dpb1dpb1^^^ ugh16:44
dpb1ok16:44
dpb1#topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair16:44
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cpaelzerahasenack: that is how you test, be mean to programs :-)16:44
ahasenack+116:44
dpb1Next meeting Tuesday, 2017-06-27 at 1600 UTC, chair will be ahasenack16:45
ahasenackhoy16:45
dpb1#info Next meeting Tuesday, 2017-06-27 at 1600 UTC, chair will be ahasenack16:45
dpb1and that's all folks, thanks for participating16:46
dpb1#endmeeting16:46
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Jun 20 16:46:10 2017 UTC.16:46
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-06-20-15.59.moin.txt16:46
cpaelzerthanks dpb1 for leading our campfire16:46
powersjthx dpb116:46
ahasenackcheers16:46
* dpb1 kicks dirt over the coals16:46
dpb1o/16:46
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