[00:01] <valorie> devels: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomahawk-player/+bug/1698063
[00:01] <valorie> "
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[00:01] <valorie> please comment
[00:01] <valorie> to such on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1698063 and retitle it as a
[00:01] <valorie> request for tomahawk-player's removal?
[00:02] <valorie> "
[00:02] <valorie> pfff, I know how to format better than that!
[00:02] <valorie> but it's dinner time, so off I go
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[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning
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[09:37] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:23] <ahoneybun_> valorie: going to Akademy?
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[17:03] <santa_> good evening everyone
[17:05] <acheronuk> evening
[17:08] <santa_> acheronuk: hey, I'm glad you are here, may I discuss the things I have on my table for the next following days?
[17:08] <acheronuk> go for it
[17:08] <ahoneybun_> heyo
[17:08] <acheronuk> hi ahoneybun_ 
[17:09] <ahoneybun_> hey acheronuk
[17:09] <santa_> ok, in the first place I'm working on getting the kdelibs autopkgtrolling fixed. this is going to need a new pkg-kde-tools, so once I get that finished I would need you to upload pkg-kde-tools asap
[17:10] <acheronuk> can do
[17:10] <santa_> the other things I would like to get done is fixing the current akonadi autopkgtrolling so we can work on the remaining issues wrt kdepim migration
[17:10] <santa_> and ...
[17:10] <santa_> ark autopkgtest is going to fail unless we update libzip
[17:11] <acheronuk> neon had a lot of hassle updating that
[17:11] <santa_> so I would need you tou upload libzip (it's already in our packageset)
[17:12] <santa_> not now, when the thing is ready
[17:12] <santa_> what I did so far regading that is just assesing the thing
[17:12] <santa_> so that's the three things I would like to get done asap
[17:12] <acheronuk> sounds reasonable
[17:13] <acheronuk> the libzip I am a bit wary of, but can assess that on it's merits
[17:14] <santa_> I will try to offer something appealing for libzip XD
[17:15] <acheronuk> not breaking our or other people's stuff is appealing enough :)
[17:17] <acheronuk> seems this week I have just been fighting issues and breakages caused by new other people's syncs and transitions starting now stretch is out
[17:18] <santa_> you mean as artful user?
[17:18] <santa_> or in the devel scope?
[17:18] <acheronuk> devel
[17:20] <acheronuk> OpenCV transition which will hold up new digikam and libkf5kface if not all through proposed
[17:20] <acheronuk> which breaks some old KDE stuff
[19:05] <valorie> ahoneybun_: yes, all booked quite awhile ago
[19:05] <acheronuk> take a lorry load of ice ;)
[19:06]  * acheronuk has been thinking 30C here has been hot
[19:08] <clivejo> acheronuk you such a wimp
[19:09] <acheronuk> clivejo: did you shear max in the end?
[19:09] <clivejo> been trying to get him to the groomers 
[19:10] <clivejo> but its nice and cool here today
[19:10] <clivejo> so been busy with other stuff
[19:10] <clivejo> it reached a very pleasent 15C and is about 13C now
[19:11] <BluesKaj> 17 and rain here
[19:11] <clivejo> grrrr what is wrong with that dog!
[19:26] <clivejo> lovely band of grey clouds heading for acheronuk
[19:27] <clivejo> make some lovely fireworks for him
[19:28] <valorie> acheronuk: I know I'm gonna suffer
[19:33] <clivejo> where is it again?
[19:34] <clivejo> 25-27C there at the moment
[19:34] <clivejo> http://wxug.us/24lkj
[19:43] <valorie> 24 here
[19:43] <valorie> supposed to get hot this weekend, so I'll be heading to the cabin
[19:44] <valorie> off to the hardware store
[19:49] <mamarley> 26C and 81% RH here.
[19:49]  * mamarley hugs the air conditioner.
[21:08] <valorie> getting hotter out there
[21:09] <valorie> I bought watering wands since my husband bugged out on me and went to the cabin
[21:09] <valorie> easier job watering now but it doesn't make the direct sun any cooler!
[21:09] <clivejo> watering wands?
[21:10] <valorie> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030FP476/ref=asc_df_B0030FP4765042303/
[21:10] <valorie> ~
[22:26] <gsilvapt> hello all o/ 
[22:26] <gsilvapt> Anyone here with enough time to help reviewing some symbol files?
 @gsilvapt, too late for me to get into that tonight I'm afraid
 others may be 'lurking'
[22:29] <gsilvapt> The last week has been super hard for me to be around at decent times. The next two weeks will be easier for me to be around and do stuff :) 
 hopefully can make better progress soon then
[22:31] <clivejo> gsilvapt: have a look at kdb
[22:32] <clivejo> so the parsed console is saying KCI-E :: It would very much appear that symbols have been retracted
[22:33] <clivejo> so we look at the build log
[22:33] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/325022432/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.kdb_3.0.1+p17.10+git20170622.0127-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:35] <clivejo> find the lines
[22:35] <clivejo> dpkg-gensymbols: warning: some new symbols appeared in the symbols file: see diff output below
[22:35] <clivejo> dpkg-gensymbols: warning: some symbols or patterns disappeared in the symbols file: see diff output below
[22:35] <clivejo> dpkg-gensymbols: warning: debian/libkdb3-3/DEBIAN/symbols doesn't match completely debian/libkdb3-3.symbols
[22:37] <clivejo> Pasted the part here - https://paste.ubuntu.com/24928412/
[22:38] <clivejo> so line 10 tells us a symbol has been removed
[22:38] <clivejo> and line 11 tells us a new symbol has been added
[22:39] <clivejo> when a symbol goes missing it is marked as #MISSING
[22:42] <clivejo> so in the pkg-kde-tools package we have a tool called pkgkde-symbolshelper
[22:42] <gsilvapt> In this case then, can we say a couple symbols are missing? Or all these #missing related to the same?  
[22:43] <clivejo> some are brand new symbols and some have gone missing
[22:46] <gsilvapt> I'll read the man pages of pkgkde-symbolshelper. Thanks for the help, clivejo 
[22:46] <clivejo> grab the git repro for kdb
[22:47] <gsilvapt> from kubuntu-packaging or the other one? 
[22:48] <clivejo> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdb
[22:48] <gsilvapt> that's kp.kdb then
[22:48] <clivejo> kp:kdb
[22:49] <clivejo> git clone kp:kdb assuming you have an alias set to kubuntu-packaing
[22:49] <clivejo> you could also use the git-clone-all tool from KANG
[22:49] <gsilvapt> Yes, I have one set-up.
[22:49] <clivejo> ok checkout kubuntu_unstable
[22:49] <gsilvapt> done
[22:50] <clivejo> ok remember I told you its best to create two layer folder wise
[22:50] <clivejo> ie kdb/kdb ?
[22:50] <clivejo> or kdb/git
[22:50] <gsilvapt> yes, I've been trying to do so
[22:51] <clivejo> ok, so checkout kubuntu_unstable and change directory to parent
[22:51] <clivejo> ie "cd .."
[22:52] <gsilvapt> done
[22:52] <clivejo> the tool pkgkde-symbolshelper needs to be supplied with buildlogs to figure out the symbols
[22:52] <clivejo> they can be different in different arch
[22:53] <clivejo> but because we only build KCI under amd64, we only have access to that buildlog
[22:54] <gsilvapt> I see
[22:55] <clivejo> so grab the build log
[22:55] <clivejo> wget https://launchpadlibrarian.net/325022432/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.kdb_3.0.1+p17.10+git20170622.0127-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:56] <clivejo> then deflate it
[22:56] <gsilvapt> wouldn't the pkgkde-getbuildlogs work here? 
[22:56] <clivejo> gzip -d buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.kdb_3.0.1+p17.10+git20170622.0127-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:56] <gsilvapt> (I'm following regardless) 
[22:57] <clivejo> there are many ways to do things
[22:58] <clivejo> I prefer going the long way first, and then learning to shortcuts
[22:58] <clivejo> helps me understand it better
[22:59] <gsilvapt> I see, makes sense 
[22:59] <clivejo> so move back into your git foler
[23:00] <gsilvapt> I'm there
[23:00] <clivejo> and run "pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch ../buildlog*"
[23:00] <clivejo> so you should get a prompt asking what version you want to use
[23:01] <gsilvapt> I'm there
[23:02] <clivejo> Rik made a valid point the other day that I have been versioning wrong
[23:02] <clivejo> out of habit I have been using "u" option
[23:02] <clivejo> which is 3.0.1+p17.10+git20170622.0127
[23:03] <clivejo> but the +p17.10 part is NOT part of the version number
[23:03] <clivejo> thats the distro
[23:03] <clivejo> ie 17.10 codename for Artful
[23:05] <gsilvapt> I see. However, all options seem to have the same name around here
[23:05] <clivejo> yup, so copy that text from the u section
[23:06] <clivejo> and paste it in at the prompt
[23:06] <gsilvapt> u = 3.0.1+p17.10+git20170622.0127 / d = 3.0.1+p17.10+git20170622.0127-0~ / v = 3.0.1+p17.10+git20170622.0127-0
[23:06] <clivejo> then remove the +p17.10
[23:06] <gsilvapt> 3.0.1+git20170622.012 -> like so? 
[23:06] <clivejo> yup
[23:07] <clivejo> the .0127 is optional that indicates the time it was built
[23:07] <gsilvapt> So, I paste the text of "u" and later I have the chance to remove that part? 
[23:07] <clivejo> copy the text, paste it in and edit the distro part out
[23:08] <clivejo> depedning on the buildlog you grabbed that could be +17.04 or +16.04
[23:09] <gsilvapt> Hum, if I edit the distro part out it returns some errors:
[23:09] <gsilvapt> pkgkde-symbolshelper: error: input symbol file template version (3.0.1+p17.10+git20170614.1740) is higher than the specified one (3.0.1+git20170622.
[23:09] <gsilvapt> pkgkde-symbolshelper: error: libkdb3-3 patching FAILED. Will NOT continue.   
[23:10] <gsilvapt> I have to use the full file name
[23:11] <clivejo> yes, this is because of my *beep* up
[23:11] <clivejo> and why Rik pulled me up on it!
[23:13] <clivejo> basically when I refreshed the symbols previously I used the +17.10 part
[23:14] <clivejo> which messes with the logic of the version
[23:14] <clivejo> so to fix it, if we proceed with using the u version
[23:14] <clivejo> so run it again and use "u"
[23:15] <gsilvapt> the full filename with the +17.10part, right? 
[23:15] <gsilvapt> I'm asking because you sound like we need to stop this error at some point but I tried removing that part and it didn't let me proceed :P 
[23:16] <clivejo> yup
[23:16] <gsilvapt> The only way I can proceed is using the not-supposed version of u, with the +17.10part
[23:16] <clivejo> so it will tell you that 11 symbols have been marked missing
[23:16] <clivejo> gsilvapt: yes, in this case we will go ahead using u
[23:17] <clivejo> because I *beeped* up
[23:17] <gsilvapt> Ok, that's done
[23:17] <gsilvapt> I see, I'll pay attention in further packages with this error
[23:18] <clivejo> ok, so in the output it tells you the file it changed/updated
[23:18] <clivejo> debian/libkdb3-3.symbols
[23:18] <gsilvapt> yes
[23:18] <clivejo> so open that in your favourite editor
[23:18] <gsilvapt> and there's a new file that was not here before. not sure if it is needed. I'm seeing it through git status
[23:19] <clivejo> first line should be # SymbolsHelper-Confirmed: 3.0.1+p17.10+git20170622.0127 amd64
[23:19] <gsilvapt> check
[23:21] <clivejo> so we need to remove all instances of "+p17.10"
[23:22] <clivejo> all 152 of them !
[23:22] <gsilvapt> err
[23:22] <gsilvapt> I'm going to run :%s/+p17.10//gc in all just to ensure if works properly
[23:23] <gsilvapt> ok, 152 substitutions, done 
[23:23] <gsilvapt> no need to check 1 by 1 :P 
[23:24] <clivejo> :)
[23:24] <clivejo> ok so there are a number of lines starting with #MISSING
[23:24] <clivejo> we need to remove them
[23:25] <gsilvapt> Remove the line or remove the ones that start with #MISSING? 
[23:25] <clivejo> entire line
[23:25] <clivejo> should be 11
[23:25] <gsilvapt> Check
[23:26] <clivejo> ok so commit that
[23:27] <clivejo> so you have Fixed Clives *beep* up, refreshed the symbols, and removed missing 
[23:27] <gsilvapt> I should push to my own link and propose merge as we did before, right? 
[23:27] <clivejo> yup
[23:28] <gsilvapt> Pushed and now I'll prepare the MR
[23:28] <gsilvapt> Thanks for helping clivejo. This work seemed easy actually. Are there others that require more stuff? 
[23:29] <clivejo> well its not that easy!
[23:29] <clivejo> MISSING symbols need to be investigated
[23:30] <clivejo> as they could be an ABI break
[23:30] <gsilvapt> Ah, right. I remember reading those words _santa wrote when explaining symbol files to Darin
[23:30] <clivejo> but this particular package isn't in the archive yet
[23:30] <gsilvapt> How do I know the difference? 
[23:30] <clivejo> so nothing to break!
[23:31] <clivejo> we'll take it slow
[23:32] <clivejo> baby steps :)
[23:32] <gsilvapt> Ok, there are more packages that had symbol issues. Am I allowed to go on and break them? :P 
[23:33] <gsilvapt> Well, I could try building them but most have b-d that do not exist yet :\ 
[23:33] <clivejo> at the moment, just remember if you see MISSING symbols, that should ring alarm bells for you
[23:33] <gsilvapt> Which was another question I had: How can I add the same repositories that KCI has, allowing me to fully reproduce the build logs in my machine? 
[23:33] <clivejo> you need to start thinking, why did they go MISSING
[23:34] <clivejo> I don't understand your question
[23:35] <clivejo> package repos?
[23:35] <gsilvapt> for instance, kimap only raises issues with symbols. If I tried building it locally, I'll have b-d errors because the packages do not exist yet. Like, some b-d have higher version that those on the archives
[23:36] <clivejo> if you are building unstable packages, you need to configure your build environment to pull from the KCI unstable repo
[23:37] <gsilvapt> where should that be? 
[23:37] <clivejo> I have no idea in simonbuild
[23:37] <gsilvapt> tsimonq2, some help here? :) 
[23:38] <clivejo> tsimonq2: how do you enable KCI unstable PPA in sbuild?
[23:39] <gsilvapt> In case Simon isn't here, lets get back to the previous conversation. Assume I'll clone a repo I know it is failing because of the symbol files (ie, has the same error kdb had). I see some of those #MISSING. How do I investigate them? 
[23:39] <gsilvapt> I didn't look at those before changing the lines - I'm a noob :P 
[23:40]  * tsimonq2 looks in both directions
[23:40] <tsimonq2> what
[23:40] <tsimonq2> oh
[23:40] <tsimonq2> sec
[23:42] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Add --extra-repository="deb [trusted=yes] http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/unstable/ubuntu CODENAME main" as an argument on the end of your sbuild command
[23:42] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild#Temporarily_adding_PPAs
[23:43] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: "[trusted=yes]" is so that it doesn't whine about lack of archive GPG keys, which isn't really important if it's just a test archive build
[23:43] <gsilvapt> Oh, temporarily? Is there something long lasting? 
[23:43] <tsimonq2> s/archive/package/
[23:44] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Well ideally you'd just use that to overlay, otherwise you'd create a new sbuild container with a name indicating that it's a KCI unstable schroot, then enter the golden schroot, add it to your sources.list (add-apt-repository doesn't work as sbuild disables PPAs) and import the archive key
[23:45] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Everything you need to do that is either in the sbuild manpage, w.u.c/SimpleSbuild, or https://askubuntu.com/a/15272
[23:45] <gsilvapt> Hum. That means whenever I needed to test if it works with unstbale PPAs, I'd run sbuild --add command before and it work for that build only, resetting afterwards? 
[23:45] <tsimonq2> Yep
[23:46] <tsimonq2> I don't see a problem with that if you just keep that argument stored away somewhere :)
[23:46] <tsimonq2> Or go to the PPA page, get the details, and refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild#Temporarily_adding_PPAs on the rare occasions that you need to do that, like I do
[23:46] <tsimonq2> Because to be completely honest with you, I think it's a waste of resources to maintain a separate schroot just to add another repo
[23:46] <gsilvapt> Ok, sounds about right. Thank you for the help!
[23:46] <tsimonq2> But maybe that's just me :)
[23:47] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: You're welcome. :)
[23:47] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: So for example, sbuild -d artful-amd64-shm --extra-repository="deb [trusted=yes] http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/unstable/ubuntu artful main"
[23:48] <gsilvapt> Hum, I see. Pretty cool!
[23:48] <gsilvapt> I could even try previous builds (if necessary at all!, lol) like xenial, trusty... ? 
[23:48] <tsimonq2> Yep, if there's KCI packages for it :)
[23:49] <gsilvapt> Ok, makes sense. Thanks! 
[23:49] <gsilvapt> And thank you too, clivejo ! 
[23:49] <gsilvapt> I can get back to packaging without getting stuck with bugs I can't deal with!! :D 
[23:50] <tsimonq2> And you can realistically do that for any repo you want. I remember with the Qt bootstrapping, I had to use Barry Warsaw's repository tools on my VPS to set up my own apt repo, then zsync my finished debs over to there and run a script. I used that exact command to add that as a repo for me to use when building Qt packages!
[23:51] <tsimonq2> <3 sbuild
[23:51] <clivejo> gsilvapt: read that discussion santa had with Darin
[23:51] <clivejo> it tells you how to lookup symbols and detect ABI breaks
[23:52] <gsilvapt> it can bring many problems but sure seems easier to work with than pbuild (sorry, no hate!!)
[23:52] <gsilvapt> clivejo, part I and II? 
[23:52] <clivejo> Rik gave you an IRC log
[23:53] <gsilvapt> He did. Part I. But I found out there is a part II, thus I'm asking
[23:53] <gsilvapt> here: https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/packaging/symbols-files/
[23:53] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: And it's what the official Debian *and* Ubuntu infra use for their package building ;)
[23:53] <clivejo> oh
[23:53] <clivejo> both then!
[23:53] <gsilvapt> Ok, I'll try to read both and follow them carefully. Not that easy when you learn better with hands on experience but I'm I'll learn something :) 
[23:54] <gsilvapt> As long as it works, tsimonq2, sounds legit :P 
[23:54] <tsimonq2> https://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html is something linked on there but it's something I really want to emphasize.
[23:55] <tsimonq2> I've worked with symbols on all sorts of packages, and that guide right there is *THE* guide for updating symbols.
[23:55] <tsimonq2> Bookmark that specific link, because it's really something extremely useful.
[23:56] <gsilvapt> I will, thanks!
[23:58] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk, santa_: Something that I've found really useful is to, as soon as you do an archive upload, grab the build logs for *all* arches and do a symbols refresh using all of the build logs given the instructions in https://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html .
[23:59] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk, santa_: Or if you're building it in a PPA, to make sure *100%* that you'll have *zero* symbols problems when you upload it to the archive, just do a simple symbols refresh and you'll be golden. :)
[23:59] <tsimonq2> Same goes for gsilvapt :)