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duflujbicha, I could not find the scrollback of when you mentioned it but is this sufficient?... https://git.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/bluez/commit/?h=artful&id=7c061d08e3eb1162b6c8113d92780b49ad1ff00f02:15
dufluOr was it someone else?..02:16
jbichaduflu: that's fine but could you use https for both vcs lines to avoid lintian warning vcs-field-uses-insecure-uri02:40
duflujbicha: Sure, I was wondering why people do that02:41
jbichait's perhaps a subtle way to encourage us all to switch to git since some vcs can't use https :(02:45
duflujbicha: Not a problem. We might want to do another "no change" release though to update those fields in the archive. Maybe02:59
smacz[m]hello all, looking at the kernel that's installed on the desktop, it's 4.4.0-47-generic. IIRC I'm looking for 4.4.0-81 to patch the stack clash vuln. But apt list --upgradable doesn't show any kernels. What am I missing?03:27
smacz[m]linux-image-virtual gave me what I needed.04:54
didrocksgood morning05:58
dufluMorning didrocks05:58
flexiondotorgdidrocks duflu Morning06:31
dufluHi flexiondotorg06:32
didrockshey flexiondotorg, duflu!06:32
didrocksflexiondotorg: you got your vala packages NEWed, nice!06:33
flexiondotorgIt's is cloudy and cool this morning :-)06:33
flexiondotorgdidrocks Oooh. Really? I'll go and check.06:33
didrocksit's going to be 37°C today06:33
didrocksalready 27°C (inside and outside, couldn't get cooler)06:34
flexiondotorgdidrocks Where are you seeing those packages? Bugs unchanged and they are not in the artful new queue.06:35
flexiondotorgdidrocks Heck 37°C!06:35
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:36
didrocksflexiondotorg: well, they are not in the new queue, so I thought they got acked, correct?06:36
flexiondotorgoSoMoN Morning06:36
dufluHi oSoMoN06:36
didrocksflexiondotorg: you didn't update them?06:36
didrocksupload*06:36
oSoMoNhey flexiondotorg, duflu, didrocks!06:36
didrockshey oSoMoN06:36
* duflu just realized...06:36
flexiondotorgdidrocks I just filed the bugs and provided build in the PPA.06:37
didrocksah, you don't have upload rights at all?06:37
flexiondotorgI only have upload right for packages in the Ubuntu MATE package set.06:37
* duflu wonders why Phoenix airport wasn't allowed to fly Airbus and Boeings in heat but Dubai does so normally in even greater heat (mid-50s)06:37
didrocksok06:37
didrocksand so, they are not in the set yet06:37
flexiondotorgCorrect.06:37
didrocksok, will have a look at them today/tomorrow thus (as I guess it's too late for alpha)06:37
flexiondotorgOnce these first upload to the archive exist I will request PPU for them.06:38
didrocksyep :)06:38
flexiondotorgdidrocks Thanks. These package unlock new features in Ubuntu MATE 17.10. I really want to get some good testing feedback early :-)06:39
didrockssure!06:40
flexiondotorgduflu I used to in aviation and the company I worked for had an office at Phoenix airport.06:52
flexiondotorgAs I remember it, some of the smaller jets operating limits are exceeded in the summer months. But most modern Boeings and Airbus have far higher tolerances and can continue to operate.06:53
flexiondotorgIf Airbus and Boeing are grounded it must be extremely hot there.06:54
dufluflexiondotorg, might also just mean a higher minimum length runway in heat06:54
dufluflexiondotorg: * shrug* It's old news and probably not true any more. As far as I can see it's winter here :)07:03
andyrockmorning!07:12
dufluHello andyrock07:13
didrockshey andyrock07:13
andyrockdoes anyone know if there is a public CVE search API?07:14
oSoMoNhey andyrock07:27
willcookemorning all!08:00
willcookeNormality returns - it's raining \o/08:00
Laneymorning!08:02
willcookehi Laney08:02
didrockshey willcooke, Laney08:03
didrockslucky you08:03
willcookestill hot didrocks?08:04
Laneyhey willcooke & didrocks08:04
didrockswillcooke: 36°c planned today08:10
didrocksit's already 27.4 inside08:10
willcookedidrocks, :((08:10
Laneyany library or place with AC to work from?08:11
didrocksit's quite annoying for us, but I feel even worse for the little one08:11
didrocksLaney: I'm afraid that libraries will be crowded though08:11
didrocksmay go to the departmental archives08:11
didrocksit's closer, I guess not as fancy for most of people08:11
Laneythat sounds like a serious place08:13
didrocksyeah, it's more for people tracing old papers from the cities, births, and such08:14
didrocks10 minutes walk and not really central :)08:14
didrocksthe building is really fancy: http://numelyo.bm-lyon.fr/f_eserv/BML:BML_01ICO00101573f005f29475/preview_Source0.jpg08:16
Laneyscary08:16
LaneyI imagine the secret police working out of there08:17
seb128good morning desktopers08:17
* seb128 tries another coworking space08:17
seb128also airco, nice to not be in a 30°C room to work08:18
Laneyhey seb12808:18
seb128though there was so commute and train didn't have wifi08:18
Laneyyou good?08:18
seb128yeah!08:18
Laneywhere's this one?08:18
seb128you?08:18
seb128in Rotterdam08:18
Laneyyeah good, it's not going to get over 20 here today08:18
seb128short walk from the train station08:18
* Laney is O. K. ! with that08:18
seb128haha08:19
Laneynice08:19
Laneyyou commuter08:19
Laneyah man, I was trying to use the barrier to raise the launcher :'(08:19
didrocks:)08:20
dufluMorning seb12808:20
seb128hey duflu, how are you?08:21
dufluseb128: A bit unwell. But thanks for asking. Most of the day is done. You?08:22
seb128I didn't get enough sleep and didn't sleep well then due to the heat, but good otherwise08:23
seb128duflu, I hope you get better, you should call it a day and get some rest08:23
dufluseb128, I will think about it after verifying this SRI08:23
dufluSTU08:23
dufluSRU08:23
duflujeez08:23
didrocksah, time to demote gnome-session! g-s finally published few minutes ago!08:24
didrocks(only the binary package, not the source one, don't be scared… it's going to be alright)08:25
seb128didrocks, things are going nicely it seems :-)08:26
didrocksyeah, I wonder if our archive doesn't feel Lyon's heat though seeing the autopkgtests queue on i38608:26
didrockstesting today's iso, which has both session, but ubuntu-session should be default08:27
didrockstomorrow's iso won't have gnome-session installed08:27
didrocks(will test today's iso later)08:27
seb128I should do that as well08:29
Laneyso much perl08:29
dufluLaney: Here's a better answer to your question from yesterday :)  http://www.bom.gov.au/wa/forecasts/perth.shtml08:35
Laneyduflu: I'll take that as winter08:46
jibeldidrocks, on today's iso, I've gnome gnome on wayland, ubuntu, ubuntu on wayland and ubuntu is the default08:49
dufluSounds like no session should be called "Ubuntu"09:02
duflubecause they are all Ubuntu09:02
willcookejibel, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Html2Wiki10:06
willcookejibel, export from GDocs as HTML and then convert10:06
willcookejibel, that said - the LibreOffice route is probably just as good/bad10:07
jibelwillcooke, thanks, I'll try that if it's better than odt -> wiki10:07
willcookeheh, we'll see10:07
seb128do we have artful images to use for autopkgtest-buildvm?10:52
seb128on artful it tells me it's falling back to downloading a zesty one10:52
Laneyhttps://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/artful/current/10:55
Laneyyup10:55
seb128thanks, wonder why it doesn't find it10:56
seb128I should probably try the lxd way while I'm at it10:56
Laneywhat does it say?10:56
Laneywhat if you pass -r artful?10:57
seb128it says "cannot determine development release, failing back to latest stable"10:58
seb128-r artful seems to download the right thing10:58
Laneyguessing distro-info -d doesn't work then10:58
Laneyis your distro-info-data current?10:58
seb128that vm might be in a mixed state10:58
seb128so I guess that's it10:58
Laneythat's what it's using10:58
seb128thanks Laney10:59
Laneyyw!10:59
Laneyah, that notification worked11:00
* Laney has an appointment in 1 hour ;-)11:00
seb128:-)11:00
seb128lunch is meeting you!11:00
Laneyphysio11:00
Laneythen lunch11:00
seb128still your shoulder?11:01
seb128how did climbing go yesterday btw?11:01
Laneyyeah11:01
Laneyit's progressing11:01
LaneyFFS11:01
Laneyit was too hot for that11:01
seb128don't tell me, I played tennis for 1h30 hour in the sun at 5pm11:01
seb128was not the best idea11:01
Laneysome of the holds were sliimmyyyy11:01
seb128I couldn't stand in the evening :p11:02
Laneyjust did some easy stuff then some exercises then came home for a bbq11:02
Laneyheh11:02
Laneyhope you stayed hydrated11:02
seb128I tried my best11:02
seb128I didn't have any headache or such so it was ok I think11:02
Laneynice11:02
Laneyoh, I worked out what causes this gnome-software crash11:03
Laneyit seemed random but it's when you search in the shell overview11:04
Laneyphew11:04
seb128thanks for reminding me about gnome-software11:05
Laneyoh yeah the xenial test11:05
* Laney is reminded too11:06
seb128I need to try again that "clicking on install does nothing" I had with robert's update11:06
seb128see if I have the same issue with the archive version11:06
seb128and report it11:06
* Laney is trying master11:06
seb128bah11:12
seb128works with the archive version11:12
seb128so regression and not local issue I guess11:13
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Laneyback in a bit11:42
oSoMoNchrisccoulson, after (too) much bisecting and testing, I’ve come to the conclusion that bug #1696965 started happening when swiftshader was turned on in the builds, and that google chrome is in fact also affected (although the symptoms manifest themselves less often)11:50
ubot5`bug 1696965 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "First renderer process doesn't render page for chromium 59.0.3071.86 in KVM" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169696511:50
oSoMoNchrisccoulson, given this, I’m tempted to say this should not block us from publishing 59 to users11:51
oSoMoNwhat do you think?11:51
oSoMoNI've requested a source copy of 59.0.3071.109 to ppa:canonical-chromium-builds/stage11:55
willcookeDid we ever have conversations about Nvidia & Wayland on the trello board?  I can't find the card, but I'm sure we did.  About not runing Wayland if you've got an nvidia card.12:02
willcookeMight have been email12:02
seb128willcooke, https://trello.com/c/7jWI9yjo/136-make-a-decision-about-wayland ?12:03
willcookeseb128, thats the one!  I wonder why my search on wayland didnt work.  meh.   thanks112:04
seb128yw12:04
seb128btw is there a way to tell trello to restrict the search to the current board?12:05
willcookeI just ctrl-f and search from the browser12:07
willcookebut that doesn't seem to work very well12:07
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GunnarHjseb128: Is it time to unhide translations for artful and make artful the translation focus?12:23
seb128GunnarHj, did you see the emails you received?12:23
GunnarHjseb128: Yes.12:23
seb128what do you mean by "unhide"?12:23
seb128the focus I'm not sure yet, you are probably more familiar with that12:24
seb128I though we usually waited a bit more in the cycle so translators don't waste efforts on strings that are still changing?12:24
GunnarHjseb128: Re unhide: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+translations-admin12:24
seb128GunnarHj, that's somewhat related to the previous question I guess12:25
GunnarHjseb128: The timing is a trade-off, of course. OTOH it's probably a greater risk that translators waste time if the keep translating zesty.12:25
seb128my understanding is that we want to have the upstream translations in an export at least12:26
seb128GunnarHj, well, zesty is stale, translations are not waster, they are for the next langpack SRU12:26
seb128stale->stable12:26
seb128where translating strings that change means the translation is going to use for noone12:27
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, let's await the upstream translation exports. But as regards SRUs, we haven't done those for non-LTS release lately.12:28
seb128because we believe those are not useful?12:29
seb128or just by lack of manpower to drive the process?12:29
GunnarHjseb128: The latter. After all, they  only live for 9 months.12:30
seb128well translations are often not waster12:30
seb128wasted12:30
seb128they "live" in other series/longer most of the time12:31
seb128but one problem at the time12:31
seb128I'm fine unhidding translations if you think that's the right moment12:31
seb128can the focus be put on any serie?12:31
seb128we should maybe put it on the LTS?12:31
GunnarHjseb128: My belief is that the translators are generally aware of the fact that the strings are not frozen. So unhiding it early gives them the option to start working early - risking that they need to redo some translations - or wait until the string freezes.12:36
seb128the active translators are, non technical contributors or those who just want to translate some strings to help Ubuntu are not always, from what I saw in the french community12:37
GunnarHjseb128: The focus can be set to any series. AFAIK it has always been the dev release.12:37
seb128k12:37
seb128I though we used to switch focus to dev around beta12:37
seb128you are sure it has always been on dev all the time?12:38
GunnarHjseb128: 98,7% :)12:38
seb128lol12:38
seb128so now it's not on zesty (stable)?12:38
GunnarHjseb128: Yes it is, since nobody has changed it yet. That's the reason for that part of the question.12:39
seb128k, so it's not *always* on dev :p12:39
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, true. ;)12:40
seb128anyway12:40
seb128I think we can unhide translations12:40
GunnarHjseb128: Waiting til beta may be reasonable. I have no strong opinion.12:40
seb128and I'm going to trigger a first langpack export12:41
seb128let's see if things work12:41
seb128and then re-discuss the focus serie? (like next week)12:41
seb128how does that work for you?12:41
GunnarHjseb128: Just unhidden artful. Sounds good to me.12:42
seb128great12:42
seb128thanks GunnarHj12:42
seb128I try to get the export done tomorrow12:42
seb128well the langpack build I mean12:42
Laneywillcooke: seb128: My understanding is that it does do that already13:30
LaneyYou have to set some options and update the initramfs to make it an option13:31
seb128I lost context since13:31
seb128Laney, what are you commenting about?13:31
Laneynvidia13:31
seb128oh13:31
Laney:)13:34
Laneysurvived the physio btw13:34
LaneyI'm mostly discharged now13:34
seb128:-)13:34
Laneyshe told me to go climb more13:34
Laneyand only come back if there is a problem13:35
didrockssounds like advice going in your way ;)13:35
Laneyyeah I just have to get over the anxiety while climbing13:36
Laneyabout re injuring it13:36
seb128so yeah, autopkgtest in lxc is nice, but n-m needs machine-isolation so that's not good enough13:38
seb128bah13:38
seb128is there a way to throw a package to some infra bit (ppa?) and have autopkgtest tried against it?13:38
Laneyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/#Testing_against_a_PPA13:40
Laneyvirt-qemu doesn't work?13:41
cpaelzerI usually use Bileto tickets which kind of wrap all that up (ppa + tests) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bileto13:42
Laneymmm13:43
LaneyI don't actually know how to trigger britney runs from bileto13:43
Laneyjust happens when you change the status?13:43
cpaelzerLaney: yeah when you are happy with your tests and the buld you switch to approved and then it kicks britney13:43
cpaelzeroutput is then linked from the ticket and looks like an upodate_excuses snippet13:44
cpaelzerwith working retry links if needed13:44
oSoMoNchrisccoulson, bug reported upstream: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=73594713:44
cpaelzerand since it does all arch and all dependent jsut as migration would I kind of take it as one-shot-for-all13:44
willcookejibel, cyphermox has a Cisco VPN device!  \o/13:47
willcookecyphermox, re: n-m pending - would you have any time to look at it this week?13:48
seb128cyphermox, sorry my wifi had issues in that hangout, do you know if ^?13:48
cyphermoxyes, I'm running the autopkgtest right now13:49
willcookecyphermox, \o/ thanks!13:49
cyphermoxclearly something in NM changed though, I'm not happy13:49
seb128cyphermox, just curious, how do you run those?13:49
seb128I tried in a vm and in autopkgtest lxc but without much luck13:50
cyphermoxright now, autopkgtest -U --apt-pocket=proposed -s . -- qemu ~u/adt-artful-amd64-cloud.img13:50
seb128Laney, sorry I didn't see your reply earlier, thanks13:50
seb128ok13:50
seb128you need the qemu image13:50
cyphermox(so technically, it'll rebuild nplan, but heh)13:50
seb128which I was trying to avoid, it's slow to set up13:50
cyphermoxbah, it should work in LXC too13:50
Laneysomeone's been happy on the retry button http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/n/nplan/artful/amd6413:51
Laney...13:51
seb128I did one by error earlier, sorry13:51
seb128firefox awesome bar fail13:51
seb128I wanted the log page and I hit the retry page13:51
seb128which just retried on opening without asking any confirmation13:51
jbichaI did like 8 earlier, sorry13:51
seb128haha13:51
Laney:/13:52
seb128jbicha, it's obvious there is an issue with at least the mtu13:52
seb128retries are not going to work13:52
Laneyit's not that helpful when the queue is so large to run several 45 minute tests13:52
Laneyoh well :-)13:53
Laneymachines don't hold a grudge13:53
jbicharight, we were caught up briefly before the perl upload13:53
LaneyI might kill the seb128 one in the queue though ;-)13:54
seb128yes please do13:54
cyphermoxno point in making many retries ever though, if it times out the first 2 (and about as many tests/the same tests), something's off enough that it won't be different.13:54
Laney2017-06-22 13:54:30,557 - queue item: b'nplan {"requester": "seb128", "triggers": ["nplan/0.24"]}' (deleting)13:54
seb128as said it was an url error13:54
seb128thanks13:54
cyphermoxand indeed the mtu issue seems like a genuine regression13:55
willcookecyphermox, how are you testing mtus out of interest?  Pings of different sizes?14:00
cyphermoxno, that's not necessary14:01
cyphermoxnetplan write a config that NM needs to apply; so after NM has stabilized we check that the kernel reports the right MTU14:01
cyphermoxif the kernel lies, it's a kernel bug, not a netplan bug14:01
willcookeI see, thx14:02
seb128cyphermox, where is the config written?14:03
seb128wiki/google are not that useful at telling you that14:03
cyphermox/run/NetworkManager14:03
seb128thanks14:05
seb128I guess my config snippet was invalid since that's empty :p14:06
seb128cyphermox, should a config like http://paste.ubuntu.com/24925093/ work and result in some n-m config generated?14:46
seb128anyway wasted enough time today trying to get that working, I let you debug it, just curious at this point14:46
willcookedesktoppers - I've added a new tag to Trello called "GUADEC Topic" - please tag anything which needs to be talked about so we dont forget anything14:47
seb128willdo14:49
kenvandinewillcooke, great14:50
oSoMoNack14:51
seb128Laney proved that trello needs a "like" button ;-)14:53
Laney+114:54
Laney:thumbsup:14:54
seb128indeed14:54
seb128showing the love to Didier's cards :-)14:54
cyphermoxseb128: MTU is special in that so far we've been relying on systemd to apply the change (via udev) rather than NM, so it might not write anything in this case14:57
seb128cyphermox, oh ok, good to know14:58
seb128cyphermox, let me know when you figure out what's the issue, I'm curious now14:58
seb128just not familiar enough with netplan to be efficient debugging it14:58
jibelseb128, there is a 'voting' power-up15:02
seb128jibel, ah :-)15:03
Laneyah man, lots of those powerups look like they could be useful but you can only have 1 per time on the free tier15:03
Laneys/per/at a/15:04
Laneyjbicha: did you look at graphene ftbfsing yet?15:09
jbichaLaney: not much yet, but I blame meson15:12
Laneywhen you see gtkdoc stuff failing to build, you can't help but get a little bit sad15:13
Laneyhmm the last pass was with meson 0.40.1-1 though15:14
jbichameson 0.41 broke some stuff (budgie-desktop still doesn't build) so that's why it's my first guess15:20
Laneyautopkgtest is quite useful to test this kind of thing15:22
* Laney adds --apt-pocket=proposed=src:meson15:22
jbichaadd that where?15:23
Laneyautopkgtest15:25
Laneyyeah it's totally meson15:25
LaneyJUSSIIIII15:27
jbichaif you want him to hear you, you could try #mesonbuild ;)15:28
Laneyit's ok, I know how to find him15:29
LaneyI have a big light that shines into the sky15:29
Laney(master works)15:31
jbichagraphene master?15:31
Laneymeson15:31
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seb128going back home, might be back online from the train if they have wifi15:52
seb128if not have a nice evening desktopers15:52
willcookecya seb12815:52
seb128bye :-)15:53
Laneyjbicha: going to upload the cherry-pick that fixes it, feel free to sync over with the next release15:58
jbichathanks!16:06
Laneycommitted 6 hours ago16:07
Laneytimely16:07
jbichaLaney: if you didn't upload yet, maybe it wouldn't hurt to cherry-pick https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/commit/185808b too16:09
jbichathat one wasn't enough for budgie-desktop but it got the build further along16:09
LaneyI already did it16:10
Laneyit's really trivial to try meson from git btw16:10
Laneyuninstall the distro package and symlink /usr/bin/meson to meson.py16:10
Laneyso you can see if it's fixed in master16:10
seb128the train has wifi it seems!16:14
Laneywifi in de trein?16:15
willcookenight all17:11
Laneybye!17:18
kenvandinejbicha, flexiondotorg is trying to see what happens in MATE with gdm and is finding it's not working17:27
kenvandinejbicha, the service is starting but nothing on the vt17:27
kenvandinewondering if it could be bug 163232217:27
ubot5`bug 1559576 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1632322 Ubuntu GNOME boots to black screen when using proprietary Nvidia drivers" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155957617:27
kenvandinehe's in virtualbox17:28
jbichawhat version?17:30
jbichaand does he just see nothing on the log in screen or is that after he enters his password?17:31
oSoMoNgood evening everyone!17:36
kenvandinejbicha, black screen17:39
jbichait sounds like you are saying he can't reach the log in screen17:40
jbichathere's a bug with VirtualBox sometimes where it doesn't show gdm's log in screen, if you resize the window it may sort of show up17:41
jbichabut if he can log in "blind", that should work too17:41
jbichaonce logged in, the display should work normally17:41
flexiondotorgjbicha OK, I'll imagine I can see a log in screen :-)17:47
flexiondotorgOr I just use qemu?17:47
flexiondotorgWhich is typically what I use but I had a gash VM in virtualbox.17:48
jbichaif that is the issue you are experiencing, I'm hoping that the issue will be fixed when the VirtualBox drivers are upstreamed17:48
jbichahttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=VirtualBox-vboxvideo-Plans17:51
kenvandineflexiondotorg, so did resizing fix it?18:09
kenvandineif so... that was silly :)18:09
flexiondotorgI just have a tty telling me /dev/sda is clean.18:11
flexiondotorgI tried resizing the VM window. No change.18:12
kenvandineok18:12
flexiondotorgI'm off to cook for my girls.18:12
kenvandineflexiondotorg, good night!18:12
flexiondotorgI'll be back later.18:12
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cyphermoxjbicha: I'm reluctant to change netplan for the NM 1.8 upload; it's starting to look a lot like NM regressed20:36
cyphermoxI haven't dug into NM at all yet, but from the look of the netplan autopkgtests, it's as if NM is managing devices when it really shouldn't be20:36
cyphermox(if I stop NM altogether and rig the intergration tests from netplan to ignore it, the tests pass, and don't time out)20:44
jbichacyphermox: I don't think I know enough about NM or netplan to be much help21:01

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