[02:15] jbicha, I could not find the scrollback of when you mentioned it but is this sufficient?... https://git.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/bluez/commit/?h=artful&id=7c061d08e3eb1162b6c8113d92780b49ad1ff00f [02:16] Or was it someone else?.. [02:40] duflu: that's fine but could you use https for both vcs lines to avoid lintian warning vcs-field-uses-insecure-uri [02:41] jbicha: Sure, I was wondering why people do that [02:45] it's perhaps a subtle way to encourage us all to switch to git since some vcs can't use https :( [02:59] jbicha: Not a problem. We might want to do another "no change" release though to update those fields in the archive. Maybe [03:27] hello all, looking at the kernel that's installed on the desktop, it's 4.4.0-47-generic. IIRC I'm looking for 4.4.0-81 to patch the stack clash vuln. But apt list --upgradable doesn't show any kernels. What am I missing? [04:54] linux-image-virtual gave me what I needed. [05:58] good morning [05:58] Morning didrocks [06:31] didrocks duflu Morning [06:32] Hi flexiondotorg [06:32] hey flexiondotorg, duflu! [06:33] flexiondotorg: you got your vala packages NEWed, nice! [06:33] It's is cloudy and cool this morning :-) [06:33] didrocks Oooh. Really? I'll go and check. [06:33] it's going to be 37°C today [06:34] already 27°C (inside and outside, couldn't get cooler) [06:35] didrocks Where are you seeing those packages? Bugs unchanged and they are not in the artful new queue. [06:35] didrocks Heck 37°C! [06:36] good morning desktoppers [06:36] flexiondotorg: well, they are not in the new queue, so I thought they got acked, correct? [06:36] oSoMoN Morning [06:36] Hi oSoMoN [06:36] flexiondotorg: you didn't update them? [06:36] upload* [06:36] hey flexiondotorg, duflu, didrocks! [06:36] hey oSoMoN [06:36] * duflu just realized... [06:37] didrocks I just filed the bugs and provided build in the PPA. [06:37] ah, you don't have upload rights at all? [06:37] I only have upload right for packages in the Ubuntu MATE package set. [06:37] * duflu wonders why Phoenix airport wasn't allowed to fly Airbus and Boeings in heat but Dubai does so normally in even greater heat (mid-50s) [06:37] ok [06:37] and so, they are not in the set yet [06:37] Correct. [06:37] ok, will have a look at them today/tomorrow thus (as I guess it's too late for alpha) [06:38] Once these first upload to the archive exist I will request PPU for them. [06:38] yep :) [06:39] didrocks Thanks. These package unlock new features in Ubuntu MATE 17.10. I really want to get some good testing feedback early :-) [06:40] sure! [06:52] duflu I used to in aviation and the company I worked for had an office at Phoenix airport. [06:53] As I remember it, some of the smaller jets operating limits are exceeded in the summer months. But most modern Boeings and Airbus have far higher tolerances and can continue to operate. [06:54] If Airbus and Boeing are grounded it must be extremely hot there. [06:54] flexiondotorg, might also just mean a higher minimum length runway in heat [07:03] flexiondotorg: * shrug* It's old news and probably not true any more. As far as I can see it's winter here :) [07:12] morning! [07:13] Hello andyrock [07:13] hey andyrock [07:14] does anyone know if there is a public CVE search API? [07:27] hey andyrock [08:00] morning all! [08:00] Normality returns - it's raining \o/ [08:02] morning! [08:02] hi Laney [08:03] hey willcooke, Laney [08:03] lucky you [08:04] still hot didrocks? [08:04] hey willcooke & didrocks [08:10] willcooke: 36°c planned today [08:10] it's already 27.4 inside [08:10] didrocks, :(( [08:11] any library or place with AC to work from? [08:11] it's quite annoying for us, but I feel even worse for the little one [08:11] Laney: I'm afraid that libraries will be crowded though [08:11] may go to the departmental archives [08:11] it's closer, I guess not as fancy for most of people [08:13] that sounds like a serious place [08:14] yeah, it's more for people tracing old papers from the cities, births, and such [08:14] 10 minutes walk and not really central :) [08:16] the building is really fancy: http://numelyo.bm-lyon.fr/f_eserv/BML:BML_01ICO00101573f005f29475/preview_Source0.jpg [08:16] scary [08:17] I imagine the secret police working out of there [08:17] good morning desktopers [08:17] * seb128 tries another coworking space [08:18] also airco, nice to not be in a 30°C room to work [08:18] hey seb128 [08:18] though there was so commute and train didn't have wifi [08:18] you good? [08:18] yeah! [08:18] where's this one? [08:18] you? [08:18] in Rotterdam [08:18] yeah good, it's not going to get over 20 here today [08:18] short walk from the train station [08:18] * Laney is O. K. ! with that [08:19] haha [08:19] nice [08:19] you commuter [08:19] ah man, I was trying to use the barrier to raise the launcher :'( [08:20] :) [08:20] Morning seb128 [08:21] hey duflu, how are you? [08:22] seb128: A bit unwell. But thanks for asking. Most of the day is done. You? [08:23] I didn't get enough sleep and didn't sleep well then due to the heat, but good otherwise [08:23] duflu, I hope you get better, you should call it a day and get some rest [08:23] seb128, I will think about it after verifying this SRI [08:23] STU [08:23] SRU [08:23] jeez [08:24] ah, time to demote gnome-session! g-s finally published few minutes ago! [08:25] (only the binary package, not the source one, don't be scared… it's going to be alright) [08:26] didrocks, things are going nicely it seems :-) [08:26] yeah, I wonder if our archive doesn't feel Lyon's heat though seeing the autopkgtests queue on i386 [08:27] testing today's iso, which has both session, but ubuntu-session should be default [08:27] tomorrow's iso won't have gnome-session installed [08:27] (will test today's iso later) [08:29] I should do that as well [08:29] so much perl [08:35] Laney: Here's a better answer to your question from yesterday :) http://www.bom.gov.au/wa/forecasts/perth.shtml [08:46] duflu: I'll take that as winter [08:49] didrocks, on today's iso, I've gnome gnome on wayland, ubuntu, ubuntu on wayland and ubuntu is the default [09:02] Sounds like no session should be called "Ubuntu" [09:02] because they are all Ubuntu [10:06] jibel, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Html2Wiki [10:06] jibel, export from GDocs as HTML and then convert [10:07] jibel, that said - the LibreOffice route is probably just as good/bad [10:07] willcooke, thanks, I'll try that if it's better than odt -> wiki [10:07] heh, we'll see [10:52] do we have artful images to use for autopkgtest-buildvm? [10:52] on artful it tells me it's falling back to downloading a zesty one [10:55] https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/artful/current/ [10:55] yup [10:56] thanks, wonder why it doesn't find it [10:56] I should probably try the lxd way while I'm at it [10:56] what does it say? [10:57] what if you pass -r artful? [10:58] it says "cannot determine development release, failing back to latest stable" [10:58] -r artful seems to download the right thing [10:58] guessing distro-info -d doesn't work then [10:58] is your distro-info-data current? [10:58] that vm might be in a mixed state [10:58] so I guess that's it [10:58] that's what it's using [10:59] thanks Laney [10:59] yw! [11:00] ah, that notification worked [11:00] * Laney has an appointment in 1 hour ;-) [11:00] :-) [11:00] lunch is meeting you! [11:00] physio [11:00] then lunch [11:01] still your shoulder? [11:01] how did climbing go yesterday btw? [11:01] yeah [11:01] it's progressing [11:01] FFS [11:01] it was too hot for that [11:01] don't tell me, I played tennis for 1h30 hour in the sun at 5pm [11:01] was not the best idea [11:01] some of the holds were sliimmyyyy [11:02] I couldn't stand in the evening :p [11:02] just did some easy stuff then some exercises then came home for a bbq [11:02] heh [11:02] hope you stayed hydrated [11:02] I tried my best [11:02] I didn't have any headache or such so it was ok I think [11:02] nice [11:03] oh, I worked out what causes this gnome-software crash [11:04] it seemed random but it's when you search in the shell overview [11:04] phew [11:05] thanks for reminding me about gnome-software [11:05] oh yeah the xenial test [11:06] * Laney is reminded too [11:06] I need to try again that "clicking on install does nothing" I had with robert's update [11:06] see if I have the same issue with the archive version [11:06] and report it [11:06] * Laney is trying master [11:12] bah [11:12] works with the archive version [11:13] so regression and not local issue I guess === pisi is now known as Guest13235 [11:42] back in a bit [11:50] chrisccoulson, after (too) much bisecting and testing, I’ve come to the conclusion that bug #1696965 started happening when swiftshader was turned on in the builds, and that google chrome is in fact also affected (although the symptoms manifest themselves less often) [11:50] bug 1696965 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "First renderer process doesn't render page for chromium 59.0.3071.86 in KVM" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696965 [11:51] chrisccoulson, given this, I’m tempted to say this should not block us from publishing 59 to users [11:51] what do you think? [11:55] I've requested a source copy of 59.0.3071.109 to ppa:canonical-chromium-builds/stage [12:02] Did we ever have conversations about Nvidia & Wayland on the trello board? I can't find the card, but I'm sure we did. About not runing Wayland if you've got an nvidia card. [12:02] Might have been email [12:03] willcooke, https://trello.com/c/7jWI9yjo/136-make-a-decision-about-wayland ? [12:04] seb128, thats the one! I wonder why my search on wayland didnt work. meh. thanks1 [12:04] yw [12:05] btw is there a way to tell trello to restrict the search to the current board? [12:07] I just ctrl-f and search from the browser [12:07] but that doesn't seem to work very well === Guest70891 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest85417 [12:23] seb128: Is it time to unhide translations for artful and make artful the translation focus? [12:23] GunnarHj, did you see the emails you received? [12:23] seb128: Yes. [12:23] what do you mean by "unhide"? [12:24] the focus I'm not sure yet, you are probably more familiar with that [12:24] I though we usually waited a bit more in the cycle so translators don't waste efforts on strings that are still changing? [12:24] seb128: Re unhide: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+translations-admin [12:25] GunnarHj, that's somewhat related to the previous question I guess [12:25] seb128: The timing is a trade-off, of course. OTOH it's probably a greater risk that translators waste time if the keep translating zesty. [12:26] my understanding is that we want to have the upstream translations in an export at least [12:26] GunnarHj, well, zesty is stale, translations are not waster, they are for the next langpack SRU [12:26] stale->stable [12:27] where translating strings that change means the translation is going to use for noone [12:28] seb128: Ok, let's await the upstream translation exports. But as regards SRUs, we haven't done those for non-LTS release lately. [12:29] because we believe those are not useful? [12:29] or just by lack of manpower to drive the process? [12:30] seb128: The latter. After all, they only live for 9 months. [12:30] well translations are often not waster [12:30] wasted [12:31] they "live" in other series/longer most of the time [12:31] but one problem at the time [12:31] I'm fine unhidding translations if you think that's the right moment [12:31] can the focus be put on any serie? [12:31] we should maybe put it on the LTS? [12:36] seb128: My belief is that the translators are generally aware of the fact that the strings are not frozen. So unhiding it early gives them the option to start working early - risking that they need to redo some translations - or wait until the string freezes. [12:37] the active translators are, non technical contributors or those who just want to translate some strings to help Ubuntu are not always, from what I saw in the french community [12:37] seb128: The focus can be set to any series. AFAIK it has always been the dev release. [12:37] k [12:37] I though we used to switch focus to dev around beta [12:38] you are sure it has always been on dev all the time? [12:38] seb128: 98,7% :) [12:38] lol [12:38] so now it's not on zesty (stable)? [12:39] seb128: Yes it is, since nobody has changed it yet. That's the reason for that part of the question. [12:39] k, so it's not *always* on dev :p [12:40] seb128: Ok, true. ;) [12:40] anyway [12:40] I think we can unhide translations [12:40] seb128: Waiting til beta may be reasonable. I have no strong opinion. [12:41] and I'm going to trigger a first langpack export [12:41] let's see if things work [12:41] and then re-discuss the focus serie? (like next week) [12:41] how does that work for you? [12:42] seb128: Just unhidden artful. Sounds good to me. [12:42] great [12:42] thanks GunnarHj [12:42] I try to get the export done tomorrow [12:42] well the langpack build I mean [13:30] willcooke: seb128: My understanding is that it does do that already [13:31] You have to set some options and update the initramfs to make it an option [13:31] I lost context since [13:31] Laney, what are you commenting about? [13:31] nvidia [13:31] oh [13:34] :) [13:34] survived the physio btw [13:34] I'm mostly discharged now [13:34] :-) [13:34] she told me to go climb more [13:35] and only come back if there is a problem [13:35] sounds like advice going in your way ;) [13:36] yeah I just have to get over the anxiety while climbing [13:36] about re injuring it [13:38] so yeah, autopkgtest in lxc is nice, but n-m needs machine-isolation so that's not good enough [13:38] bah [13:38] is there a way to throw a package to some infra bit (ppa?) and have autopkgtest tried against it? [13:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/#Testing_against_a_PPA [13:41] virt-qemu doesn't work? [13:42] I usually use Bileto tickets which kind of wrap all that up (ppa + tests) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bileto [13:43] mmm [13:43] I don't actually know how to trigger britney runs from bileto [13:43] just happens when you change the status? [13:43] Laney: yeah when you are happy with your tests and the buld you switch to approved and then it kicks britney [13:44] output is then linked from the ticket and looks like an upodate_excuses snippet [13:44] with working retry links if needed [13:44] chrisccoulson, bug reported upstream: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=735947 [13:44] and since it does all arch and all dependent jsut as migration would I kind of take it as one-shot-for-all [13:47] jibel, cyphermox has a Cisco VPN device! \o/ [13:48] cyphermox, re: n-m pending - would you have any time to look at it this week? [13:48] cyphermox, sorry my wifi had issues in that hangout, do you know if ^? [13:49] yes, I'm running the autopkgtest right now [13:49] cyphermox, \o/ thanks! [13:49] clearly something in NM changed though, I'm not happy [13:49] cyphermox, just curious, how do you run those? [13:50] I tried in a vm and in autopkgtest lxc but without much luck [13:50] right now, autopkgtest -U --apt-pocket=proposed -s . -- qemu ~u/adt-artful-amd64-cloud.img [13:50] Laney, sorry I didn't see your reply earlier, thanks [13:50] ok [13:50] you need the qemu image [13:50] (so technically, it'll rebuild nplan, but heh) [13:50] which I was trying to avoid, it's slow to set up [13:50] bah, it should work in LXC too [13:51] someone's been happy on the retry button http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/n/nplan/artful/amd64 [13:51] ... [13:51] I did one by error earlier, sorry [13:51] firefox awesome bar fail [13:51] I wanted the log page and I hit the retry page [13:51] which just retried on opening without asking any confirmation [13:51] I did like 8 earlier, sorry [13:51] haha [13:52] :/ [13:52] jbicha, it's obvious there is an issue with at least the mtu [13:52] retries are not going to work [13:52] it's not that helpful when the queue is so large to run several 45 minute tests [13:53] oh well :-) [13:53] machines don't hold a grudge [13:53] right, we were caught up briefly before the perl upload [13:54] I might kill the seb128 one in the queue though ;-) [13:54] yes please do [13:54] no point in making many retries ever though, if it times out the first 2 (and about as many tests/the same tests), something's off enough that it won't be different. [13:54] 2017-06-22 13:54:30,557 - queue item: b'nplan {"requester": "seb128", "triggers": ["nplan/0.24"]}' (deleting) [13:54] as said it was an url error [13:54] thanks [13:55] and indeed the mtu issue seems like a genuine regression [14:00] cyphermox, how are you testing mtus out of interest? Pings of different sizes? [14:01] no, that's not necessary [14:01] netplan write a config that NM needs to apply; so after NM has stabilized we check that the kernel reports the right MTU [14:01] if the kernel lies, it's a kernel bug, not a netplan bug [14:02] I see, thx [14:03] cyphermox, where is the config written? [14:03] wiki/google are not that useful at telling you that [14:03] /run/NetworkManager [14:05] thanks [14:06] I guess my config snippet was invalid since that's empty :p [14:46] cyphermox, should a config like http://paste.ubuntu.com/24925093/ work and result in some n-m config generated? [14:46] anyway wasted enough time today trying to get that working, I let you debug it, just curious at this point [14:47] desktoppers - I've added a new tag to Trello called "GUADEC Topic" - please tag anything which needs to be talked about so we dont forget anything [14:49] willdo [14:50] willcooke, great [14:51] ack [14:53] Laney proved that trello needs a "like" button ;-) [14:54] +1 [14:54] :thumbsup: [14:54] indeed [14:54] showing the love to Didier's cards :-) [14:57] seb128: MTU is special in that so far we've been relying on systemd to apply the change (via udev) rather than NM, so it might not write anything in this case [14:58] cyphermox, oh ok, good to know [14:58] cyphermox, let me know when you figure out what's the issue, I'm curious now [14:58] just not familiar enough with netplan to be efficient debugging it [15:02] seb128, there is a 'voting' power-up [15:03] jibel, ah :-) [15:03] ah man, lots of those powerups look like they could be useful but you can only have 1 per time on the free tier [15:04] s/per/at a/ [15:09] jbicha: did you look at graphene ftbfsing yet? [15:12] Laney: not much yet, but I blame meson [15:13] when you see gtkdoc stuff failing to build, you can't help but get a little bit sad [15:14] hmm the last pass was with meson 0.40.1-1 though [15:20] meson 0.41 broke some stuff (budgie-desktop still doesn't build) so that's why it's my first guess [15:22] autopkgtest is quite useful to test this kind of thing [15:22] * Laney adds --apt-pocket=proposed=src:meson [15:23] add that where? [15:25] autopkgtest [15:25] yeah it's totally meson [15:27] JUSSIIIII [15:28] if you want him to hear you, you could try #mesonbuild ;) [15:29] it's ok, I know how to find him [15:29] I have a big light that shines into the sky [15:31] (master works) [15:31] graphene master? [15:31] meson === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:52] going back home, might be back online from the train if they have wifi [15:52] if not have a nice evening desktopers [15:52] cya seb128 [15:53] bye :-) [15:58] jbicha: going to upload the cherry-pick that fixes it, feel free to sync over with the next release [16:06] thanks! [16:07] committed 6 hours ago [16:07] timely [16:09] Laney: if you didn't upload yet, maybe it wouldn't hurt to cherry-pick https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/commit/185808b too [16:09] that one wasn't enough for budgie-desktop but it got the build further along [16:10] I already did it [16:10] it's really trivial to try meson from git btw [16:10] uninstall the distro package and symlink /usr/bin/meson to meson.py [16:10] so you can see if it's fixed in master [16:14] the train has wifi it seems! [16:15] wifi in de trein? [17:11] night all [17:18] bye! [17:27] jbicha, flexiondotorg is trying to see what happens in MATE with gdm and is finding it's not working [17:27] jbicha, the service is starting but nothing on the vt [17:27] wondering if it could be bug 1632322 [17:27] bug 1559576 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1632322 Ubuntu GNOME boots to black screen when using proprietary Nvidia drivers" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559576 [17:28] he's in virtualbox [17:30] what version? [17:31] and does he just see nothing on the log in screen or is that after he enters his password? [17:36] good evening everyone! [17:39] jbicha, black screen [17:40] it sounds like you are saying he can't reach the log in screen [17:41] there's a bug with VirtualBox sometimes where it doesn't show gdm's log in screen, if you resize the window it may sort of show up [17:41] but if he can log in "blind", that should work too [17:41] once logged in, the display should work normally [17:47] jbicha OK, I'll imagine I can see a log in screen :-) [17:47] Or I just use qemu? [17:48] Which is typically what I use but I had a gash VM in virtualbox. [17:48] if that is the issue you are experiencing, I'm hoping that the issue will be fixed when the VirtualBox drivers are upstreamed [17:51] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=VirtualBox-vboxvideo-Plans [18:09] flexiondotorg, so did resizing fix it? [18:09] if so... that was silly :) [18:11] I just have a tty telling me /dev/sda is clean. [18:12] I tried resizing the VM window. No change. [18:12] ok [18:12] I'm off to cook for my girls. [18:12] flexiondotorg, good night! [18:12] I'll be back later. === elbrus_ is now known as elbrus [20:36] jbicha: I'm reluctant to change netplan for the NM 1.8 upload; it's starting to look a lot like NM regressed [20:36] I haven't dug into NM at all yet, but from the look of the netplan autopkgtests, it's as if NM is managing devices when it really shouldn't be [20:44] (if I stop NM altogether and rig the intergration tests from netplan to ignore it, the tests pass, and don't time out) [21:01] cyphermox: I don't think I know enough about NM or netplan to be much help