[05:09] <xubuntu48d> what`s this
[05:14] <Andrio> A cliché.
[08:11] <dirtysnake> I had a question for you guys. I just installed xubuntu with an uefi install. On boot how every I only get pure blue and yellow screens on my monitors.
[13:23] <xubuntu11i> Hi could  you help me ..how can i play windows games on my computer (Xubuntu)
[13:24] <diogenes_> xubuntu11i, via playonlinux
[13:25] <xubuntu11i> diogenes ..okay . i should download wine also ?!!
[13:26] <diogenes_> xubuntu11i, playonlinux downloads it automatically and besides there you can choose many wine versions and open a specific game with a specific wine version
[13:27] <xubuntu11i> diogenes ..okay thanks a lot
[13:27] <diogenes_> yw
[13:31] <xubuntu11i> ^_^ sorry but the last Q ..i want to know if there is infringement of windows'rights if i use the virtual box
[13:33] <diogenes_> xubuntu11i, `about virtualbox you can ask in: /j #vbox
[13:35] <xubuntu11i> diogenes .sorry i didn't understand
[14:48] <pynthon> Hello, I just installed Xubuntu. Is it possible to go to the desktop when I do alt+tab?
[14:49] <Andrio> You can change the shortcut in the 'Window settings' (or something like that) settings page
[14:49] <Andrio> not sure whether you can make the desktop appear in the Alt+Tab list like it does in some versions of Windows though.
[14:50] <pynthon> Andrio: Ahh yes I mean like in Ubuntu with Unity you can see the desktop too
[14:50] <Andrio> mm
[14:53] <xtuber> I have question about the swap file
[14:54] <xtuber> I have 24G of RAM and 2G of the swap file
[14:55] <xtuber> now I have: free -h
[14:55] <xtuber>               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[14:55] <xtuber> Mem:            23G        3,2G        698M        152M         19G         19G
[14:55] <xtuber> Swap:          2,0G        1,6M        2,0G
[15:13] <xtuber> anybody know why I need the swap file?
[15:23] <juliank> xtuber: Well, only you can know if you need a swap file
[15:24] <xtuber> juliank, I mean why system uses swap if it have 24G ram?
[15:24] <juliank> http://blog.surgut.co.uk/2016/12/swapfiles-by-default-in-ubuntu.html
[15:24] <juliank> xtuber: Why not? You have 24GB of RAM, I'm sure you also have enough storage to spend 2GB on a swap file
[15:26] <juliank> Gotta pick some defaults, and 2GB swap file seems reasonable
[15:27] <xtuber> yes I have 1Tb hard disk, but I thought swap need then ram is not enough
[15:28] <juliank> Well, if you use 24 GB of RAM, you need it. If you don't, you might have bought too much RAM :)
[15:28] <juliank> There's more logic in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-November/039538.html
[15:29] <juliank> Imagine a workstation running 3 VMs with 6GB of RAM each - you definitely want swap at that point.
[15:29] <juliank> And a swap file is a good default, better than a swap partitition. If you don't need it, you can easily remove it
[15:32]  * juliank runs without swap. Always found swap to be counter-productive because it was mostly swapping when memory leaking, and then ended up OOM killing anyway, just with a delay of 10 minutes or so
[15:32] <juliank> On the other hand, without snap it sometimes seems to lock up completely when running out of memory, so not sure which is better.
[15:33] <juliank> Summary: Won't probably make much difference if you use it or not
[15:34] <xtuber> now I uses only 3.5G/23.4G Ram. why my system need the swap file too?
[15:35] <juliank> xtuber: Why do you have 24 GB of RAM?
[15:35] <juliank> Once you can answer that question, you can consider if you need a swap file or not
[15:35] <juliank> Well, need is a strong word, more like want
[15:36] <juliank> xtuber: Or do you mean: Why did it swap something?
[15:36] <juliank> As I just saw that it swapped 1.6 MB of memory
[15:37] <juliank> But as you might have noticed, your RAM is mostly used now for caching; so only 700 MB are free, so the kernel swaps out some long unused memory to make more space for caching
[15:37] <xtuber> I thought I need not a swap file then I set up 24G of ram. But then I installed my xubuntu the system itself set up the swap file
[15:37] <juliank> It *always* sets up a swap file
[15:38] <juliank> Even if you had 1 TB of RAM, it would still setup a 2GB swap file.
[15:38] <juliank> Because it might make sense for your work load, and it's easy to remove.
[15:39] <juliank> I tried explaining that three times now, and the blog post and email also explain the reasoning behind this fairly well.
[15:41] <xtuber> juliank, thanks you for your patience
[15:42] <juliank> xtuber: I'm still curious why you have 24 GB of RAM, do you plan to run tons of VMs on it or something?
[15:42] <juliank> :)
[15:43] <juliank> I just upgraded my laptop from 8GB to 16GB because I had trouble when running Android Studio with emulator and chrome with some tabs at the same time.
[15:44] <juliank> But even 12 GB would have been enough, so I wonder what people do with so much (relatively speaking) memory :)
[15:44] <xtuber> I set up it for don't look at htop every time then I had open many tabs in my firefox for example
[15:44] <juliank> Ah, you keep thousands of tabs open?
[15:45] <juliank> Like my friend who has 500 tabs or so open, and firefox eats 1.2 GB of RAM and 25% CPU constantly
[15:46] <xtuber> no. I has open about 25 tabs. and it uses about 5G of ram
[15:48] <xtuber> I had 8G of ram and my lubuntu 17.04 had slowed down. and I had bought 16G
[19:34] <dirtysnake> /
[21:07] <pynthon> Hello
[21:08] <pynthon> When I use sublime text on xubuntu and type " I get ¨
[21:09] <pynthon> Does somebody knows how to fix it? I already Googled my @ss off but no luck
[22:21] <zincing> A question about OpenVPN. Current release is 2.4.3 and old stable is 2.3.17. In Xubuntu I find 2.3.10. Can I add a repository to either move to 2.3.17 or 2.4.3?
[22:21] <zincing> Thanks in advance!
[22:50] <Unit193> zincing: Not an answer to your question, but you may want to keep an eye on https://bugs.debian.org/865555
[22:51] <zincing> Unit193: Thanks a zillion. I duckduckgo'ed and finally found https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/OpenvpnSoftwareRepos
[22:52] <zincing> I'm now running OpenVPN 2.4.3 :)