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[00:41] <thewillo> is there a way to get a log of all the commands called by a script or makefile?
[00:43] <tgm4883> thewillo: 'vi <script>'
[00:43] <thewillo> tgm4883, The script calls other scripts and then enters a chain of makefiles
[00:44] <thewillo> it would take me a week to read through it and figure out everything exactly
[00:44] <tgm4883> thewillo: sorry, couldn't resist
[00:45] <thewillo> tgm4883, :D
[00:45] <thewillo> there's 8gb of source, split into over 50,000 files... I need a log of it getting compiled using like 20 different compilers and tools
[00:52] <leftyfb> thewillo: that's a development issue. I'm sure there's tools to do so. Or if you want the raw data of everything going on, us strace.
[00:53] <thewillo> strace... that's what I need!
[00:53] <thewillo> thanks leftyfb
[01:21] <snowkidind> if i install a new version of go how do I get the server to recognize it over the previous version, e.g.  go version should respond with latest...
[01:22] <Ben64> depends how you install it
[01:23] <snowkidind> im on an odroid
[01:24] <snowkidind> http://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/centos-how-tos/install-go-1-7-ubuntu-16-04-14-04-centos-7-fedora-24.html
[01:24] <leftyfb> snowkidind: what does that have to do with Ubuntu?
[01:24] <snowkidind> those instructions cover three os'es
[01:25] <leftyfb> snowkidind: what version of ubuntu are you running right now?
[01:25] <leftyfb> snowkidind: type "cat /etc/issue"
[01:25] <Ben64> the only thing supported here is stuff from the ubuntu repositories
[01:25] <snowkidind> Ubuntu 16.04.2
[01:25] <leftyfb> snowkidind: sudo apt-get install golang
[01:25] <leftyfb> that will install go
[01:26] <snowkidind> cat /etc/issue LTS
[01:26] <snowkidind> yup. wrong version
[01:26] <snowkidind> needs 1.7 gives 1.6
[01:26] <leftyfb> snowkidind: that is the version available in Ubuntu. It's a fairly recent and is the only supported version
[01:26] <snowkidind> ;/
[01:27] <snowkidind> harumph
[01:27] <Ben64> or install 17.04
[01:27] <snowkidind> this is supposed to work with 15
[01:28] <leftyfb> snowkidind: that said, if you want a later version installed properly, try this ppa https://launchpad.net/~gophers/+archive/ubuntu/archive
[01:28] <snowkidind> so what do I do to just point to the package I was able to build on my own?
[01:29] <leftyfb> snowkidind: don't do it that way. You'll make a mess of things.
[01:29] <snowkidind> aargh
[01:30] <snowkidind> ok ill take a look at that
[01:30] <snowkidind> thanks leftyfb
[01:43] <glitsj16> I have both linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 & linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04 installed on 16.04 LTS (both currently on version 4.8.0.56.27). Working with the assumption that these dependency packages would automatically pull in what they need. But I see different behavior. When there's a kernel upgrade available related to these, doing a 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' shows some as held back. Nothing insurmountable, I alway
[01:43] <glitsj16> s do a 'sudo apt-get install ..' on what's held back and that works fine. Am I missing something to tell apt to not hold back on those kernel updates or is this not the way it's intended to work?
[01:46] <Bashing-om> glitsj16: Maybe : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases . To override I do ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' .
[01:46] <glitsj16> Bashing-om: thanks, I'll read that
[01:50] <glitsj16> Bashing-om: full-upgrade seems exactly what I was looking for, cheers :)
[01:51] <flush> hi
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[03:40] <CTxCB> Broken HDD, am creating a USB LiveCD for persistence, is there any way I can install device drivers?
[03:47] <oerheks> CTxCB, that would require a regular install on that usb
[03:47] <oerheks> 16 gb or bigger
[03:47] <harris> can i connect to wifi using wps push button
[03:56] <sirru5h> Howdy Everyone
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[04:13] <deadghost> recs for a screen recorder?
[04:13] <deadghost> on xfce if it matters
[04:18] <glitsj16> deadghost: simplescreenrecorder for example, in the repo's for zesty & artful .. PPA for others https://launchpad.net/~maarten-baert/+archive/ubuntu/simplescreenrecorder
[04:22] <oerheks> yeah, there are 3, kazam, ssr and recordmydesktop .. or vlc
[04:23] <sary> add Green Recorder to the list.
[04:27] <oerheks> That is from a PPA .. still interesting as Green Recorder is the first desktop program to support Wayland
[05:30] <slyrobot> I have a problem with Instant Messaging. It doesn't allow me to  use telegram or any-other service. Any ideas how to fix that ?
[06:33] <foozb12> Hey. Today I went through a bunch of themes. Tonight I noticed that all windows are not evenly/straight. Like, normally the side of an app is parallel with your screen. You can drag to the edge of the screen and it will line up
[06:34] <foozb12> But now all apps/windows, the sides go from top - narrow to bottom - wide
[06:35] <foozb12> I switched back to original theme, still same (No matter which theme I use)
[06:36] <foozb12> Basically, the sides of windows are no longer equal in width
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[08:06] <telboon> dang. i was migrating my linux config and realised they removed background image in gnome-terminal
[08:07] <telboon> anyone has a terminal to recommend?
[08:20] <oerheks> what is wrong with gnome-terminal ?
[08:24] <oerheks> oh that option is gone indeed
[08:26] <telboon> oerheks: yeah. that kinda sucked. so i'm now using xfce-terminal as default
[08:27] <oerheks> terminator perhaps, but i never understood the coolness of a background in terminal.. nor tranparancy
[08:33] <sary> Seems to be an old option and has been removed from some common terminals, it use to be in KDE's konsole , and maybe pantheon-terminal has it.
[08:36] <akik> sary: it's still in kde plasma 4's konsole
[08:37] <akik> just checked, i don't use it myself
[08:37] <akik> but it's not surprising to hear gnome dropping features
[08:46] <telboon> oerheks: well, this is the reason i got it http://imgur.com/a/6q70G
[08:46] <telboon> thanks sary and oerheks for the recommendations :)
[08:46] <sary> akik, my bad! it's in kde 5 as well. havent used the DE's for a long time! i prefer GNOME.
[08:48] <sary> Never mind pantheon-terminal , it lacks many options .. it's the simplest terminal ive ever seen!
[08:48] <sary> You're welcome.
[09:19] <thewillo> what's the best ubuntu kernel in the repo for compiling stuff? java and c/c++ mostly
[09:20] <bharathi_> can i ask my question here as i am new here
[09:20] <bharathi_> hello there
[09:21] <akik> thewillo: the kernel doesn't play much of a part in your use case. have you ran into a problem?
[09:21] <bharathi_> editing a configuration file makes my website go down?
[09:21] <thewillo> akik: No, but I spend 95% of my time compiling, if I could get that down to 90% I'd be happy
[09:22] <thewillo> basically I have a massive project with almost 9gb of source code
[09:22] <oerheks> kernel version does not change compiling time that much
[09:22] <bharathi_> i have edited my php.ini file using putty. after that my site has gone down and i am not able to connect to putty.
[09:22] <thewillo> oh, like generic vs lowlatency vs virtual vs hwe, not much difference?
[09:22] <akik> thewillo: buy new cpus if you can or distribute the compiling to many hosts
[09:23] <thewillo> akik: I'm buying a new rig when I get paid for compiling
[09:23] <thewillo> akik: but I still want the best software for the job
[09:23] <thewillo> so, kernel very little difference?
[09:24] <bharathi_> any one has idea how to solve this issue?
[09:24] <thewillo> bharathi_, you can't connect at all to the server?
[09:24] <bharathi_> no
[09:24] <thewillo> can you ping it?
[09:25] <bharathi_> it says request timed out
[09:26] <bharathi_> Pinging myrxpal.com [52.10.30.236] with 32 bytes of data: Request timed out. Request timed out. Request timed out. Reply from 192.168.2.1: Destination net unreachable.  Ping statistics for 52.10.30.236:     Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 1, Lost = 3 (75% loss),
[09:26] <thewillo> sounds like your server is down, I can't tell you wether it's because of editing that php file, which I doubt would crash the server, but you should try restarting it if you have the ability to
[09:26] <bharathi_> without connecting to putty, how do i restart?
[09:26] <thewillo> I don't see how editing a php config file would kill your server
[09:26] <thewillo> bharathi_, do you have a control panel?
[09:26] <thewillo> like a management interface for the server like you would get with any decent vps?
[09:26] <bharathi_> it is on AWS, and i dont have cp installed
[09:27] <thewillo> Well, I can't help you... but, I doubt it's because you edited that file
[09:27] <oerheks> how did you edit php.ini file using putty, with sudo ?
[09:27] <bharathi_> yes, putty with sudo
[09:27] <thewillo> unless you've got SELinux flipping out, probably not related to editing that file
[09:28] <bharathi_> even winscp too fails to connect
[09:28] <thewillo> Yeah, if you can't ping it, it's down, or it's connection is down
[09:28] <bharathi_> restarting the AWS instance will solve the issue?
[09:28] <thewillo> or you've configured it to not respond to pings
[09:28] <thewillo> but if you did that you would have said so when I asked you to ping it
[09:28] <akik> thewillo: you could ensure that you have the cpu scaling governor always set to performance
[09:29] <bharathi_> upload_max_filesize old 2M / new 10M post_max_size  old 8M /new 0
[09:29] <thewillo> akik: I have it set to ondemand with turbo boost disabled cause of overheating
[09:29] <bharathi_> only these 2 lines i edited in php.ini file
[09:29] <akik> thewillo: :)
[09:29] <thewillo> I just need a new box for my project
[09:29] <thewillo> I need to get paid
[09:30] <thewillo> I'm trying out a Ryzen box tomorrow, I'm bringing an external drive with everything I need to test it out
[09:31] <thewillo> The store built it for me, they don't usually build a rig so you can go to the store and test it, but I bring them a lot of sales since I'm the guy everyone asks for help picking out a new computer
[09:31] <thewillo> so, in like 5 hours I get to go play with the box
[09:32] <bazhang> thewillo, please get back on topic
[09:32] <thewillo> sorry
[09:32] <bazhang> chatter in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:32] <thewillo> I got nothing on topic...
[09:32] <thewillo> i'll just shut up
[09:32] <thewillo> :D
[09:33] <bharathi_> how do i solve the issue
[09:38] <oerheks> bharathi_, check your edit, undo it and see if it works aggain after restart apache
[09:39] <bharathi_> i am unable to connect to putty, after the change
[09:40] <oerheks> bharathi_, then go in your aws controlpanel perhaps?
[09:40] <bharathi_> it says - network error - software caused connection abort
[09:41] <bharathi_> from there, what i have to do
[09:41] <bharathi_> sorry, i am all blank now -
[09:43] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[09:44] <Beethoven> on 16.04, I am connected to the WIFI but there is a very strange problem of intermittent internet access. whenever i first connect, i can't visit anything and ping also returns nothing but after some minutes, i am able to ping but it stops working a minute later.
[09:45] <oerheks> maybe it gives an option to start a VM in recoverymode, like normal ubuntu
[09:45] <Beethoven> sometimes i can visit 192.168.0.1, sometimes i cannot. it's a ridiculously irritating problem and i'd appreciate it if someone could help me here
[09:45] <Beethoven> heres my output from the wireless script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24939297/
[09:46] <Beethoven> this is surely a problem related to ubuntu as i don't encounter it anywhere else on other OS'es/devices
[09:48] <Beethoven> anyone? :(
[09:49] <thewillo> verily this vissicious of verbiage veers most verbose
[09:50] <thewillo> why is that paste so huge in font size?
[09:52] <jushur> thewillo: that be on your end then, looks perfectly fine here.
[09:53] <thewillo> it's massively oversized on my system
[09:53]  * thewillo shrugs
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[09:56] <hosas> I need help with libstdc++6libstdc++6:i386 update conflict after upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04   https://pastebin.com/bJnW7UfS
[10:03] <j4ckcom> i can make windows list on the bottom?
[10:03] <j4ckcom> on ubuntu?
[10:06] <EriC^^> j4ckcom: yeah
[10:06] <EriC^^> in 16.04+
[10:06] <j4ckcom> how can i know version used now?
[10:07] <EriC^^> j4ckcom: open a terminal and type lsb_release -sd
[10:07] <j4ckcom> Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS oh good then how can i make windows list?
[10:10] <j4ckcom> EriC^^: ?
[10:11] <EriC^^> j4ckcom: type "gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom"
[10:11] <cristian_c> EriC^^: what do you think about PLL settings error message?
[10:11] <EriC^^> cristian_c: i dont know what it is
[10:11] <j4ckcom> EriC^^: i can do it with gui?
[10:11] <EriC^^> j4ckcom: yeah, download unity-tweak-tool
[10:11] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool
[10:12] <cristian_c> EriC^^: the message found in syslog when loading a resolution by xrandr
[10:12] <cristian_c> with --crtc option
[10:12] <j4ckcom> EriC^^: i installed it what is next step?
[10:13] <EriC^^> cristian_c: ah no idea about that, sorry
[10:13] <cristian_c> ok
[10:13] <EriC^^> j4ckcom: type "unity-tweak-tool" in the dash and go to launcher in it then set to bottom
[10:14] <j4ckcom> i can type it in the terminal? EriC^^ ?
[10:14] <EriC^^> j4ckcom: sure
[10:15] <j4ckcom> oh there is a many menu, so i can’t find it
[10:15] <hosas> can some one help me fix this: libstdc++6 libstdc++6:i386 update conflict after upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 http://paste.ubuntu.com/24939579/
[10:17] <cristian_c> ok, another question
[10:17] <j4ckcom> EriC^^: you don’t know what is windows list?
[10:18] <EriC^^> j4ckcom: the launcher right?
[10:19] <j4ckcom> launcher then next?
[10:20] <cristian_c> Could I simply put some driver modules (.mod files) into grub (I suppose /boot/grub/.../) in order to make some drives detectable and bootable by grub itself?
[10:20] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[10:20] <j4ckcom> there is no windows list. EriC^^
[10:21] <EriC^^> j4ckcom: in launcher press on show at the bottom
[10:23] <j4ckcom> EriC^^: i means windows list instead of launcher, windows list is that when i open multi-terminal, then i can choose it on the bottom. EriC^^
[10:23] <EriC^^> j4ckcom: ah
[10:24] <j4ckcom> yeah, how can i make windows list? you know it now?
[10:25] <EriC^^> that's not possible as far as i know, all the icons have to be on the left or at the bottom, can't have some here and some there
[10:25] <EriC^^> j4ckcom: you mean like the icon for the terminal you want it at the bottom, and others as usual on the left right?
[10:27] <j4ckcom> https://superuser.com/questions/176754/get-a-list-of-open-windows-in-linux  EriC^^
[10:29] <BluesKaj> rnter thr drive UUIDs in /etc/fstab
[10:30] <BluesKaj> oops didn't scroll down
[11:18] <blackbird1> Hi, in the Terminal, is it possible to make the prompt current path shorter ?
[11:18] <blackbird1> for example, instead mayar@mayarLinux:~/zz/a/google-ctf-2017/challenges/cryptography/Introspective-CRC$
[11:19] <thewillo> use a different shell
[11:19] <thewillo> sudo chsh <username>
[11:19] <blackbird1> having this:
[11:19] <thewillo> set it to /bin/sh
[11:19] <blackbird1> mayar@mayarLinux:blackbird$
[11:19] <thewillo> I think that one doesn't have the current directory in the prompt... not 100% sure
[11:20] <blackbird1> where blackbird is the same path
[11:20] <blackbird1> How to do it with sh shell ?
[11:21] <thewillo> do what?
[11:21] <thewillo> display blackbird instead of a string?
[11:21] <thewillo> I don't think you're going to get exactly the output you just asked for, but there is a shell that comes with ubuntu (I think /bin/sh but not sure) that doesn't show the path at all
[11:21] <thewillo> might be dash...
[11:22] <thewillo> i dunno, there's lots of shells
[11:38] <aantoonio> I have 2 pc’s, one Ubuntu and one other distro. I did a install on the other distro and things work fine. Now I removed the hdd from the other distro pc and connect them as usb to my ubuntu pc, it became sdb. I have a same size hdd but from a other brand and connected it also usb, it became sdc. I want to make a exact copy to it. I used this command dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=64K conv=noerror,sync but it did not work. I think maybe sdc is a tiny bit
[11:38] <aantoonio> smaller. How can i go about this?
[11:39] <bekks> Define "it did not work".
[11:39] <bekks> And if your target is smaller than your source, you cannot make an exact copy.
[11:40] <thewillo> aantoonio, use a live cd to resize the partition to be smaller than your destination drive space, and then after you copy it to it's destination, again use a livecd to resize it to fill the space
[11:40] <thewillo> or, something like that... i dunno, there's probably a lot of ways to do it
[11:41] <BluesKaj> shrink the source partition to slightly smaller then the target and use bs=4M instead of 64K
[11:41] <BluesKaj> then=than
[11:42] <aantoonio> BluesKaj: will that work?
[11:43] <BluesKaj> I've done it, aantoonio
[11:44] <aantoonio> Does it make a difference it is luks encrypted for resizing partition?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> uhm, dunno neer used luks
[11:45] <BluesKaj> never
[11:50] <frostschutz> don't use conv=noerror,sync - go with ddrescue if the drive has errors
[11:51] <blackbird1> thewillo, https://superuser.com/questions/60555/show-only-current-directory-name-not-full-path-on-bash-prompt
[11:51] <blackbird1> thanks
[11:51] <BluesKaj> what about ,sync or &&sync
[11:52] <kerimg> Hey all, I got an issue I never had before. When I try to start the 16.04 live USB from my motherboard's boot menu, it shows a black screen for a brief moment and then just goes into bios
[11:52] <thewillo> blackbird1, even better than my suggestion!
[11:52] <kerimg> I turned off secure boot as well as fast boot and turned on legacy mode but still
[11:52] <EriC^^> kerimg: try a memtest maybe?
[11:53] <EriC^^> or reset the cmos battery?
[11:53] <thewillo> Legacy mode is slightly worse than legacy bios mode... only slightly, but there is differences in how it interfaces with hardware in some cases
[11:53] <thewillo> *legacy mode sligthly worse than UEFI mode
[11:54] <aantoonio> frostschutz: if sdb has errors i want them to copyable, but it is sdc i am worried about
[11:54] <thewillo> My UEFI is messed up... Like it's not UEFI compliant and I can't boot linux without dual-booting windows and telling windows to select grub instead of windows bootloader, so I'm stuck in legacy mode(and never buying an acer again)
[11:55] <thewillo> I never liked acer, but I was too poor to buy a better brand, and I ended up with non-compliant firmware that doesn't work properly with linux
[11:55] <thewillo> but legacy mode to the rescue
[11:55] <thewillo> even legacy mode isn't BIOS compliant, and won't boot most ubuntu versions
[11:55] <aantoonio> frostschutz: and what would be the exact command?
[11:55] <thewillo> It's like they didn't even test the laptop with anything other than windows 10 before they shipped it
[12:00] <aantoonio> frostschutz: and howlong would it take to copy 120G?
[12:02] <EriC^^> aantoonio: normal hdd or ssd?
[12:02] <aantoonio> normal
[12:03] <BluesKaj> aantoonio, much longer using 64K than 4M afaik
[12:03] <EriC^^> about 40mins
[12:04] <BluesKaj> or does block size setting make much of a difference?
[12:04] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: it does for me
[12:04] <EriC^^> i always set it to bs=4M
[12:05] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, I wasn't sure , i've always used 4M
[12:10] <aantoonio> Is this the right command "ddrescue -r1 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc rescue.log" do i still need to resize the partition? do i only resize the last partition or all
[12:14] <akik> aantoonio: i wouldn't try to resize encrypted partitions
[12:14] <akik> aantoonio: at least find a confirmation/guide that says it's safe before trying
[12:14] <EriC^^> aantoonio: what are you trying to do btw?
[12:15] <aantoonio> Eric^^:I have 2 pc’s, one Ubuntu and one other distro. I did a install on the other distro and things work fine. Now I removed the hdd from the other distro pc and connect them as usb to my ubuntu pc, it became sdb. I have a same size hdd but from a other brand and connected it also usb, it became sdc. I want to make a exact copy to it. I used this command dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=64K conv=noerror,sync but it did not work. I think maybe sdc is a ti
[12:15] <aantoonio> ny bit smaller. How can i go about this
[12:17] <EriC^^> aantoonio: as BluesKaj said you need to resize the filesystem and partition so it fits, make sure it will work with encryption though as akik said
[12:18] <aantoonio> akik: Yes i agree, making changes to sdb freaks me out, it is my main pc and i dont want to do a new os-install
[12:19] <aantoonio> Akik: I'm reading howto's on how to resize them but it not easy...
[12:21] <aantoonio> I it not posible to dd only the first 50G and leave the rest open or does luks have a end mark on the end of the partition?
[12:22] <EriC^^> aantoonio: you cant be assured the data is only in the first 50G
[12:23] <EriC^^> aantoonio: i think you can decrypt it, shrink it with resize2fs, then use some lvm stuff to shrink the partition, then you can dd it, but it's going to be missing the last part of the disk which will have the backup partition tables
[12:23] <EriC^^> (that's just my guess of stuff no idea about it really)
[12:24] <akik> aantoonio: here's info about resizing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions
[12:25] <akik> aantoonio: it seems that cryptsetup has functionality designed for this task with "resize"
[12:25] <aantoonio> akik: already there
[12:25] <EriC^^> nice
[12:25] <akik> aantoonio: it's just very delicate task :)
[12:26] <aantoonio> akik: Yes and i'm a bit scared
[12:26] <akik> aantoonio: 13. <Say prayer here>
[12:29] <aantoonio> oke I hope I don't insult anyone but I am not going to resize sdb. have to find a other way. how about moentign both disks and just copy them by hand?
[12:30] <aantoonio> mounting that is
[12:31] <boxmein> I have an issue that my wifi adapter (bcm43227) doesn't find my own wifi net, but finds my phone hotspot and neighbors nets and the net at work
[12:31] <boxmein> iwlist scan just doesn't show the net
[12:32] <EriC^^> aantoonio: sure
[12:32] <boxmein> tried to reboot the laptop, router, rename the SSID, connect to a hidden net with the same ssid, unload/reloadmod, restart networkmanager, disable mac randomization
[12:32] <EriC^^> aantoonio: it wont be an exact clone though if that's what you're going after
[12:33] <EriC^^> aantoonio: be sure to edit fstab and stuff to put the new uuid's
[12:33] <BluesKaj> boxmein, were you connected via ethernet the whole time you did the above?
[12:34] <boxmein> BluesKaj, no. but I now am
[12:34] <boxmein> all these have been done across multiple days
[12:34] <boxmein> with no system/package upgrade inbetween
[12:35] <aantoonio> EriC^^: if I format sdc to the same property as sdb and just copy everything will fstab not also be copied same as the luks headers?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> boxmein, so disconnecting the ethernet and logging out and logging back in doesn't show your wifi
[12:35] <boxmein> BluesKaj, note. a fresh install of 17.04 didn't come with wifi drivers so I took it up and installed b43, let me re-check but it was most likely via bcmwl-kernel-source
[12:35] <boxmein> BluesKaj, nope
[12:36] <EriC^^> aantoonio: if you format sdc to same yeah
[12:36] <boxmein> I can try that now, but I'm pretty sure it gets nowhere, since the problem has persisted through multiple reboots
[12:36] <boxmein> and I've simply just not connected via eth to the router
[12:36] <EriC^^> aantoonio: there's the stuff in crypttab and the uuid of the filesystems
[12:37] <boxmein> brb. let's continue debugging in 45min?
[12:37]  * boxmein awaaaaay
[12:37] <aantoonio> Eric^^: huh?
[12:43] <CTxCB> Hi guys, I've got what seems like a simple question: In Language Support > Regional Support, how can I stay with English (United Kingdom) but change the way Date is formatted?
[12:45] <CTxCB> Specifically the DDMMYY portion, I don't want "Sat 24 Jun 2017", I want "Saturday, June 24th 2017"
[12:45] <SimonNL> CTxCB: in settings of the app maybe.
[12:46] <CTxCB> SimonNL: There's no way to alter this is Language Support.
[12:47] <SimonNL> CTxCB: does right click the date/time app give you the edit option?
[12:47] <SimonNL> meant the date/time app icon on panel
[12:48] <CTxCB> No, it doesn't. It uses the Regional Format from Language Support on System Settings.
[12:49] <CTxCB> My problem is that in Windows for example, you can actually edit it in quite a lot of detail to customise it.
[12:49] <CTxCB> The only settings are like 12/24hr, show date, etc. Nothing that pertains to the actual format it reads as.
[12:50] <SimonNL> http://imgur.com/a/CTkSP  this is what is shown after click edit but this is on linux mint
[12:50] <SimonNL> date notation can be altered.
[12:51] <SimonNL> CTxCB: see if you can change the date/time panel application to one that offers the option
[12:52] <CTxCB> I'll look, I'm a bit surprised it isn't already a feature like Windows.
[13:35] <ppw> advice on setting up a remote desktop session from Windows to a Ubuntu box?
[13:39] <vlt> ppw: Possible tools: vnc or xrdp
[13:43] <leftyfb> or teamviewer
[13:43] <ppw> vlt: alright. anything I should be aware of? open ports? security? compatibility with rdp?
[13:44] <Delvien> ppw: always something you should be aware of :P ports may need to be opened.
[13:45] <vlt> ppw: Afaik VNC has no builtin encryption, so you should use a secure channel (local LAN, VPN, SSH tunnel ...)
[13:45] <vlt> ppw: No idea about the encryption RDP uses.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> boxmein,I have stuff to do so if you manage to see this make sure you have dkms installed. it most likely is, if so, install broadcom-sta-dkms, then logout and back in without ethernet,The netwok manager should show your pc/laptop wifi after login.
[15:06] <codecutter> how do you mount a remote server ?
[15:11] <leftyfb> codecutter: nfs, smb/cifs, iscsi, sshfs, magic
[15:13] <davido_> I seem to be in apt upgrade jail: https://pastebin.com/E6iwzCWT
[15:13] <davido_> Seeking advice on how to get out of it.
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[15:20] <davido_> ...and now: https://pastebin.com/jUfQ07s1
[15:36] <davido_> Well I seem to have resolved it through a --fix-missing and --fix-broken
[15:42] <qswz> it seems files are saved in blocks of 4KiB I see some (9.7, 12) (15.2, 16) (for (total size, size on disk)) even for small files
[15:42] <qswz> is it efficient?
[15:43] <qswz> (lubuntu17.04 if it makes a diff)
[15:48] <davido_> yes
[15:49] <qswz> oh different on ubuntu? nvm sorry
[15:49] <mcphail> qswz: Each file needs an index (inode) to point to it. Each filesystem will only have so many slots for indexes as these take up space on disk as well. If have smaller chunks, you need more potential inodes. This can be adjusted when you create the filesystem. It is not specific to the flavour of ubuntu you're using
[15:50] <davido_> What I'm saying is accept the sane defaults -- they're most efficient for the general use case. If you have a specific use case that benefits from tweaks, doing so may improve things in that case while degrading other things.
[15:50] <qswz> ok
[15:51] <davido_> performance tweaking involves accepting compromise in some cases or metrics to achieve improvements in other cases or metrics
[15:52] <davido_> Even with pursuits such as overclocking people trade additional heat, shortened component longevity, degraded stability margins, and increased cooling costs for improved cpu clock rates.
[15:53] <HackerII> suicide
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[16:03] <qswz> what's the longest time you've kept a laptop?
[16:04] <qswz> I'm at 4 years with this one
[16:04] <qswz> lubuntu gave him a new birth
[16:05] <genii> qswz: This 2008 Acer 8730 keeps going strong.
[16:06] <qswz> hehe, I've a ow(end acer (just an i3 4010U)
[16:06] <qswz> low-end* it starts being limited for dev, in big projects
[16:06] <qswz> but 9 year.. congrats
[16:07] <genii> I think for most people, 3-5 years is probably the average laptop life
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[16:35] <mguy> genii: this one is at 7 years and it's about had it
[17:47] <gronke> How do I fullscreen a terminal window?
[17:48] <wedgie> what terminal and what desktop environment?
[17:48] <gronke> xfce, standard terminal emulator
[17:49] <wedgie> there isn't a little square in the upper right of the window?
[17:50] <gronke> there's a plus sign
[17:51] <gronke> that just maximizes the window
[17:51] <wedgie> oh. you want it fullscreen, not just maximized
[17:52] <wedgie> alt+F11   ?
[17:54] <codecutter> [18:52:44]  <codecutter>	if i type 'ls -l' from user root, dir workspace is no listed but if i do 'cd workspace', its there
[17:54] <codecutter> [18:52:51]  <codecutter>	how do fix this?
[17:54] <wedgie> "its there"    codecutter: What are you trying to do?
[17:56] <akik> codecutter: pastebin the commands and errors you input/get
[17:56] <akik> codecutter: also "ls -al" when you're in the directory with this problem
[17:58] <akik> codecutter: i hope you're not cross posting this question elsewhere because that would be rude
[17:59] <codecutter> lol
[17:59] <codecutter> i deleted the whole dir
[17:59] <codecutter> and started again
[17:59] <codecutter> anyway, how is that rude?
[17:59] <codecutter> i think thats allowed, right?
[18:00] <akik> cross posting is rude because it involves people using their time to try to help you and not knowing that the same problem is discussed simultaneously elsewhere
[18:01] <codecutter> no
[18:01] <codecutter> i think its ok
[18:01] <akik> you think wrong
[18:01] <codecutter> akik: you can do that
[18:01] <codecutter> trust me
[18:01] <akik> sure you can do that but it doesn't make it right
[18:01] <codecutter> just think for a sec, i'm sure your a reasnable man
[18:02] <codecutter> it makes sense
[18:02] <akik> codecutter: you understand that if person A proposes a solution to you but you have accepted another solution from person B, it wastes the time of person A ?
[18:03] <codecutter> akik: let it go
[18:03] <akik> codecutter: just understand that it's rude
[18:03] <codecutter> i usually post on #ubuntu and #linux
[18:03] <leftyfb> codecutter: the fact of the matter is, the people who are willing to spend their time are of the strong opinion that it is very rude to cross-post without disclosing that fact. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant and will not change the fact that less people will bother helping you. Some channels will remove you for doing so.
[18:03] <codecutter> it's not rude
[18:04] <ducasse> codecutter: when everyone tells you it's rude, consider that you might be wrong
[18:05] <leftyfb> codecutter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting read
[18:05] <codecutter> i do it all the time
[18:06] <codecutter> this is the first time someone called me out on it
[18:06] <ducasse> then nobody noticed before
[18:06] <leftyfb> he never admitted it
[18:06] <codecutter> sorry if we intentionally hurt your feelings
[18:06] <hggdh> can we get back to topic? Positions have been given, nothing else to discuss
[18:07] <codecutter> hggdh: smart man
[18:07] <codecutter> wise words
[18:07] <codecutter> bunch of teens
[18:07] <hggdh> codecutter: enough. Please stop
[18:08] <akik> amazing
[18:20] <qswz> codepaster*
[18:20] <qswz> worst kind of coders
[18:38] <dr_horrible> /
[18:46] <benh> somebody happens to know what missing kernel built-in config/module would cause the installer disk-detect to fail ?
[18:47] <benh> I have to run a custom kernel (no modules) and am using 16.04 initrd
[18:48] <benh> the script itself won't say much at all and of course there's no vi or pico on the initramfs so it's hard to play trial & error by modifying it
[18:49] <leftyfb> benh: I would boot a live cd/usb and figure out what drive controller and/or drives you have and go from there.
[18:49] <benh> leftyfb: that isn't the issue
[18:49] <benh> the kernel finds the drive just fine
[18:50] <benh> shows up in /dev/disks/by-id
[18:50] <benh> it's kvm so that's just a spapr-vscsi, nothing weird here... but for various reason (unreleased HW) I need a custom kernel and I suspect I'm missing a module that the script needs
[18:52] <benh> forget it, the patch I need did make it into 17.04... no need for a custom kernel
[18:57] <boxmein> BluesKaj, I'll try the DKMS package, thank you!!
[19:04] <energizer>  rsync keeps getting stuck in the middle of transfering a large file, approximately every MB. How can I stop restart 'rsync -avzP source dest' every 5 seconds?
[19:07] <boxmein> BluesKaj, hahaha it worked! thank you so much
[19:07] <emx> hi. i want to access my encrypted files from non-ubuntu linux. i figured i could chroot into the partition and use ecryptfs-setup-privat but i get an error. is this a possible solution at all?
[19:08] <Nitrigaur> How can I mount a SD-card using fuse with directory creation rights as user rather than as root? The ACL default for this mountpoint is set by default to disallow my normal user to create directories on that mount point. How can I change the default mounting rules so that I as *!@ owner I am able to create directories on mounted media that I own?
[19:08] <Nitrigaur> It is a VFAT32 formatted drive btw
[19:09] <Nitrigaur> I find this behaviour highly obnoxious btw.
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[19:16] <EricE> anyone awake?
[19:16] <Nitrigaur> I am
[19:17] <Nitrigaur> But is unudually quiet right now.
[19:17] <Nitrigaur> But is unusually quiet right now.
[19:17] <EricE> I'm looking for a good email client for Ubuntu.  Is there anything better than Thunderbird or evo?
[19:18] <EricE> I'm so close to being able to use this for home AND work and it's exciting!
[19:18] <Nitrigaur> EricE, please be more specific, what is the reason you reject Thunderbird and evolution?
[19:19] <EricE> I don't reject them I just didn't know if they were still kings.  I mostly use Linux for servers
[19:19] <Nitrigaur> EricE, I use Mozilla Thunderbird daily, both at work and at home, regardless of what OS I am running.
[19:20] <Nitrigaur> Last time I checked, Evolution was so buggy it was borderline unusable to me.
[19:20] <Nitrigaur> Bat admittedly, that is a long time ago.
[19:20] <Nitrigaur> But admittedly, that is a long time ago.
[19:20] <EricE> i'm so inlove with this thinkpad
[19:21] <Nitrigaur> A Lenovo one or a venerable IBM?
[19:21] <EricE> now to check all the boxes with the App's I need and i'm set
[19:21] <EricE> T460 (Lenovo one)
[19:21] <john_doe_jr> when I do a 'otool -L http://my-shared-object.so/' ….it shows that wrong path…how do i fix this?
[19:22] <EricE> I'll setup thunderbird
[19:22] <EricE> thanks Nitrigaur
[19:22] <Nitrigaur> EricE, but what app you need is defined by what your use case is. For cmd-line e-mail I still use mutt and it serves me well for basic e-mail.
[19:23] <EricE> I've got that in my backpocket too.  I just need to use my smime certs and that can be a little tricky IIRC.
[19:24] <Nitrigaur> I see what you mean, in that case: use Moz.TB or if you also desperately need Exchange capabilities: Evolution.
[19:24] <EricE> i killed Exchange at my company :)
[19:25] <Nitrigaur> May it rest in pieces. Long live open standards :-)
[19:25] <EricE> I got out of being the exchange admin too!
[19:25] <Nitrigaur> Good for you (unless it paid well, of course ;-) )
[19:26] <EricE> I've got plenty of other things to do at work so there's no worry.
[19:27] <Nitrigaur> EricE, you don't know per chanche if there is a way to change the default ACL behaviour when mounting FAT32 devices as a lowly user?
[19:27] <Nitrigaur> chanche => chance
[19:28] <EricE> I know i've done this RBD
[19:28]  * EricE thinks of what he did for that
[19:29] <Nitrigaur> I am getting a bit tired of having to create all main directories as root rather than conveniently as a normal user.
[19:29] <Nitrigaur> Those are one of the minor niggles that scare away a new adopter to a more (cough) mainstream OS...
[19:30] <EricE> do you have a shared workstation situation or thinclients?
[19:31] <Nitrigaur> Well, I do have multiple accounts, but it's just my home desktop computer we are talking about, nothing fancy.
[19:33] <EricE> I can't think of how we did it a cPanel and I don't have my VPN setup yet to look.
[19:33] <Nitrigaur> I am having a hard time understanding why the ACL permissions are set to this restrictive behaviour when mounting FAT32 devices.
[19:33] <EricE> is there something in the /etc/fstab?
[19:34] <Nitrigaur> EricE, no, no special setting that I can see.
[19:35] <Nitrigaur> I can pastebin it if you like, but I doubt that would help here
[19:36] <Nitrigaur> EricE, here you are: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24942839/
[19:38] <EricE> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_storage_devices#As_normal_user_with_fstab
[19:39] <EricE> I remember something like that in gentoo when I used that
[19:39] <EricE> (my wife and I shared computers at the time)
[19:41] <Nitrigaur> Yes the ArchWiki is cornocopia of information, I love it to bits. If only the std. manpages were replaced by something as sensible as the ArchWiki contents...
[19:42] <akik> Nitrigaur: does your system mount the usb stick anyhow with your user id, just that the acl is wrong?
[19:44] <Nitrigaur> akik, it does not automount my stick, but after  I have mounted it from Nautilus, it is mounted on /media/<my username>/<Media Label>
[19:45] <Nitrigaur> Originally, that mount point was owned by root, but I chowned it to my regular user instead, hoping that that would let me create directories as a normal user at the root of the device node.
[19:46] <akik> Nitrigaur: you can't use unix permissions on fat32
[19:47] <Nitrigaur> akik, I know, FAT32 doesn't support that, but still I am denied to create a new directory as a normal user. When I create a dir using sudo from the cmd-line, that works just fine.
[19:48] <akik> Nitrigaur: after you mount it, do you see these options in "mount" command for the mount? uid=1000,gid=1000
[19:48] <akik> Nitrigaur: matching the user id that you are using
[19:48] <Nitrigaur> No, I see uid=1001, gid=1001
[19:49] <akik> Nitrigaur: is that your uid?
[19:49] <Nitrigaur> akik, here is the mount line: /dev/sde1 on /media/jorrit/Second type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1001,gid=1001,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks2)
[19:50] <akik> Nitrigaur: is uid 1001 that uid for the user you're using now?
[19:50] <Nitrigaur> akik, yes it is
[19:51] <Nitrigaur> I've doublechecked in my /etc/passwd
[19:51] <akik> Nitrigaur: id will tell you also
[19:52] <Nitrigaur> akik, thanks for that bit of extra info, quite useful
[19:52] <akik> Nitrigaur: i'll create another user on my system and test
[19:53] <Nitrigaur> akik, thank you :-)
[19:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Hello all. Just bought a beautiful new laptop, and tried switching my harddrives between them with my ubuntu installation. No bootup. What should I do?
[19:54] <Akiva-Thinkpad> im on a live cd at the moment, and can access the ssd.
[19:56] <ppw> where can I find a channel that deals with bicycles?
[19:56] <Nitrigaur> Akiva-Thinkpad, are you running an (U)EFI hardware setup on your new laptop?
[19:56] <akik> Nitrigaur: i created a new user with uid=1001,gid=1001 and a fat32 mount off a usb stick works ok
[19:57] <Nitrigaur> Akiva-Thinkpad, if so, check to see if the secure-boot option is set and if so, disable it.
[19:58] <akik> Nitrigaur: oh btw i don't think fat32 even supports acls
[19:58] <Nitrigaur> akik, hmmm, that's odd. I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS btw. Are you too?
[19:58] <akik> Nitrigaur: 14.04
[19:59] <akik> Nitrigaur: do you have another user with uid=1000 ?
[19:59] <Nitrigaur> akik, so did I, but somehow, I can only create a directory by using sudo on that device, even though it is formatted as FAT32...
[20:00] <akik> Nitrigaur: the uid for the mount must match the uid of the user you are logged in. i don't know what else would be the cause
[20:00] <Nitrigaur> akik, nor do I, but the uid does match to a tee.
[20:01] <akik> Nitrigaur: do you have another user with uid=1000 ?
[20:01] <akik> Nitrigaur: check "journalctl -xe" for possible errors
[20:01] <Nitrigaur> I do yes, my original user, but I foobarred it's profile.
[20:02] <akik> Nitrigaur: what do you mean profile?
[20:02] <akik> Nitrigaur: i wonder if that causes this problem
[20:04] <Nitrigaur> akik, just a defunct user account.
[20:04] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Nitrigaur: interesting... ill check. its a thinkpad x220t
[20:06] <akik> Nitrigaur: just confirming whether you also renamed the earlier user account so that it's not also jorrit?
[20:06] <Nitrigaur> akik, actually it is not defunct, it happens to be the first user I set up, but it is not in use anymore. It was used specifically for my schoolwork. And since I have finished school, that account is not in use anymore,
[20:06] <Nitrigaur> aki,
[20:07] <Nitrigaur> akik, no I did not rename my account. I have used Linux long enough to know that will spell trouble in capitals ;-)
[20:08] <Nitrigaur> The last time I did something silly like that, wasway back in 1999 ;-)
[20:08] <Nitrigaur> It was a learning experience and a painful one at that...
[20:09] <akik> Nitrigaur: so you have two user accounts with the same name but with different uids?
[20:10] <akik> Nitrigaur: renaming a user account is totally possible
[20:11] <akik> Nitrigaur: if you don't want to do it manually, you can use usermod
[20:11] <Nitrigaur> akik, I know, but I did not do that on this system. As I just told you a minute ago, the first (and last) time I did that was back in 1999 and I'm not using the same computer from that era right now.
[20:12] <Nitrigaur> Akiva, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X220
[20:12] <akik> Nitrigaur: do you have two user accounts with the same name but with different uids?
[20:12] <Nitrigaur> Akiva-Thinkpad, , https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X220
[20:12] <Nitrigaur> akik, no, I do not
[20:15] <Nitrigaur> akik, the contents of my homedir were migrated from an earlier computer though...
[20:15] <Nitrigaur> But not the one from 1999
[20:17] <akik> Nitrigaur: now that i'm back on my original account akik, i can't mount the usb stick any more
[20:17] <akik> Nitrigaur: i get this error message in dolphin "Could not enter folder /media/akik/nnnn"
[20:17] <akik> Nitrigaur: i get this error message in dolphin "Could not enter folder /media/akik2/nnnn"
[20:18] <techbomber> offtopic
[20:18] <techbomber> what is the offtopic channel
[20:18] <akik> Nitrigaur: so somehow the system remember the path i was using earlier
[20:19] <akik> Nitrigaur: then i remove the usb stick and re-insert it, and everything works again
[20:19] <Nitrigaur> akik, interesting. It also occurred to me that the same is happening when you eject a Video-DVD from the drive and insert a new one. The mount-label in Nautilus/ Dolphin is not updated...
[20:20] <Nitrigaur> techbomber, the offtopic channel is for members of the Ubuntu community to discuss things that do not relate to help with Ubuntu.
[20:20] <techbomber> Nitrigaur what is the exact name
[20:21] <Nitrigaur> techbomber, it's #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:22] <akik> Nitrigaur: oh i guess i didn't umount it before i changed from akik2 to akik
[20:23] <Nitrigaur> akik, that might explain a few things, yes... :-) You were trying to enter a directory with exclusive read rights for akik2 as the user akik
[20:24] <Nitrigaur> At least that's what could cause the error you just saw.
[20:24] <akik> Nitrigaur: did you see some errors in "journalctl -xe" when this problem occurs?
[20:24] <Nitrigaur> akik, unfortunately not.
[20:25] <Nitrigaur> akik, In fact I can now create a new dir inside the root of the device as a normal user, staright from Nautilus.
[20:25] <Nitrigaur> staright -> straight
[20:26] <akik> Nitrigaur: so the problem went away?
[20:27] <Nitrigaur> So, somehow I have already solved it. But it did not update the rights until much later. I wonder why. An eject/ remount cycle should have taken care of it, but it didn't.
[20:27] <Nitrigaur> akik, still, this does not solve the *default* behaviour upon entering a new FAT32 formatted device.
[20:28] <kuriozalny> good afternoon
[20:29] <Nitrigaur> I have more than a dozen USB sticks lying around formatted in the crusty FAT32 format. It just happens to be the most versatile cross-platform format...
[20:29] <akik> Nitrigaur: you could create another user account in your system and test with it
[20:30] <Nitrigaur> akik, so that I can find out if a corruption of my default user profile has occurred. Sure, I can try that.
[20:30] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, good day, please state the nature of your Linux emergency.
[20:32] <kuriozalny> I just can't figure out how to install kubuntu on my usb stick
[20:32]  * Nitrigaur kuriozalny Does your system use (U)EFI as boot system?
[20:32] <kuriozalny> unfortunately, yes
[20:34] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, are you using other OS'es on that system as well?
[20:35] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, this might sound like a strange question, but does your system include a PS/2 port?
[20:35] <Nitrigaur> aka mini-Din ^
[20:35] <Nitrigaur> aka mini-DIN ^
[20:35] <kuriozalny> Nitrigaur: let me briefly show the situation
[20:36] <Nitrigaur> please do ^
[20:36] <akik> kuriozalny: i installed kubuntu on a usb stick with mbr scheme and there was nothing to it. just had one stick with the installation iso and another blank stick. then just selected the blank stick as the target at the partitioning stage
[20:37] <kuriozalny> lenovo y580 notebook with uefi, HDD (sda), disk is most likely broken, i'm looking to install any backup system so i can go on
[20:37] <Nitrigaur> akik, that requires booting in legacy mode and some motherboards (including mine) won't detect USB keyboards in that mode, making it *a bit* difficult to choose anything after that.
[20:37] <kuriozalny> plus i have only one usb stick which problby makes things complicated
[20:39] <akik> kuriozalny: where were you planning on installing it then?
[20:39] <akik> or do you have a dvd drive with the installation iso?
[20:39] <kuriozalny> i'm running kubuntu 17.04 live right now, and trying to figure out why, installer won't let me set up partitions on the stick i've booted in the first place
[20:40] <kuriozalny> dvd is also broken
[20:40] <EriC^^> kuriozalny: the usb you mean?
[20:40] <kuriozalny> exactly
[20:40] <EriC^^> you cant install from the usb to the usb
[20:41] <kuriozalny> fair enough
[20:41] <EriC^^> copy an iso to the hdd and boot it from the usb's grub, then install to the usb
[20:41] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, don't you have any SD-cards lying about that you could use as media to install to?
[20:42] <akik> EriC^^: do you have a guide to do that?
[20:42] <Nitrigaur> EriC, kuriozalny just told us that his HDD seems to be foobar'ed.
[20:42] <kuriozalny> no i dont, but i still have some spare cash to get another stick
[20:42] <EriC^^> akik: kuriozalny https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#Menuentry_Example
[20:43] <EriC^^> kuriozalny: if you use the "toram" kernel parameter you might be able to install to the usb, i'm not entirely sure
[20:44] <Nitrigaur> EriC, kuriozalny, yes, that might work, 6GB is enough to run the image in it's entirety.
[20:45] <kuriozalny> I have ~30GB space on pendrive
[20:45] <EriC^^> kuriozalny: is it uefi?
[20:45] <Nitrigaur> EriC, it is
[20:45] <Nitrigaur> https://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-ideapad-y580/specs/
[20:46] <EriC^^> Nitrigaur: can you edit it from another pc?
[20:46] <kuriozalny> bios setup lets me change to legacy mode or something like that if that helps
[20:46] <EriC^^> i mean kuriozalny
[20:46] <Nitrigaur> https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-P-Y-and-Z-series/Y580-UEFI-boot/td-p/882467
[20:46] <kuriozalny> EriC^^: not really
[20:47] <EriC^^> if you make a small fat32 partition and copy the iso contents it'll boot, then you can partition the disk and install to it in unallocated space maybe?
[20:47] <Nitrigaur> EriC^^, I'm a bit worried if the internal keyboard will work in legacy mode. Most are connected through internal USB after all...
[20:48] <EriC^^> not legacy only uefi
[20:48] <EriC^^> i mean he wont use legacy
[20:49] <tgm4883> why wouldn't the keyboard work in bios mode?
[20:50] <kuriozalny> it works either way
[20:50] <EriC^^> how dead is the hdd, it cant be that dead can it?
[20:51] <Nitrigaur> That's good to know, my motherboard did not detect any USB keyboard in legacy mode. I had to dig deep in my attic to find a PS/2 keyboard :-P
[20:52] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, do you have any idea what caused the damage to the HDD?
[20:52] <kuriozalny> yes, it had fallen from the table
[20:53] <Nitrigaur> Ouch! :-S
[20:53] <kuriozalny> it's not totally broken though
[20:53] <kuriozalny> i've managed to mount the win10 partition and saved a lot of data
[20:54] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, if I remember correctly, the Lenovo laptops have a protection built-in to automatically park the HDD in case a fall is detected.
[20:54] <kuriozalny> yet, installing kubuntu on /dev/sda7 (the only ext4 partition on hdd) didn't worked out
[20:54] <Nitrigaur> Try to see in your BIOS/ EFI setup if there is an option to un-park your HDD...
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[20:56] <kuriozalny> wouldn't it be impossible to mess with the data if the disk would be "parked"?
[20:56] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, the term coined for these protections is free-fall detection.
[20:57] <akik> kuriozalny: what do you mean "didn't worked out" ?
[20:57] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, Lenovo calls it Active Protection System
[20:59] <kuriozalny> instalation returned with error, i don't really remember, but i've learnt from all these years, linux is not a windows, if there's an error it means it.
[21:00] <kuriozalny> i can start up the installation right away and clarify the situation
[21:01] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, there are many reasons why it might not install correctly, sometimes you need boot parameters to make it work.
[21:02] <kuriozalny> all right, just let me go through the wizard
[21:02] <kuriozalny> btw, should i turn off secure boot?
[21:02] <kuriozalny> last time i did
[21:02] <Nitrigaur> A finicky SATA controller might require it, for instance, did you check the linux hardware compatibility database? It is a veritable treasure trove of info.
[21:03] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, try reading this before you proceed: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Y580-Linux-compatibility/td-p/1064099
[21:05] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, the information might be from 2013, but there might still be useful info on your specific laptop.
[21:07] <kuriozalny> Nitrigaur: it's outdated, i've had a lubuntu parallel with win10 for more than a year now
[21:09] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, did you do a basic hardware check of your HDD using a live DVD?
[21:09] <kuriozalny> Nitrigaur: can you tell me how to do it?
[21:10] <kuriozalny> i've given up since windows repair tool chkdsk got frozen in the middle.
[21:11] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, in that case, at least the pcb controlling the HDD is intactm or it wouldn't have booted to Windows in the first place.
[21:12] <Nitrigaur> That's a start at least.
[21:13] <Nitrigaur> That will probably mean that if you would insert a spare HDD, you might be succesful in installing an OS to it.
[21:13] <akik> kuriozalny: if you want to test a disk block by block, you can do it with badblocks program
[21:14] <Nitrigaur> Good suggestion, akik
[21:14] <kuriozalny> Nitrigaur: i'm not sure if you've read it, but i've managed to mount ntfs partition and save some data to the other drive
[21:15] <Nitrigaur> kuriozalny, I must have missed that part, sorry about that.
[21:17] <kuriozalny> akik: apt-cache search returns only e2fsprogs while looking for badblocks
[21:17] <kuriozalny> akik: is it some sort of bulk package?
[21:17] <Nitrigaur> I need to hit the hay. It's getting late and I need to participate in a neuroscience experiment tomorrow. I need my wits for that and before you ask: Don't worry, it's nothing involving invasive surgery ;-)
[21:18] <kuriozalny> Nitrigaur: Thanks for help. Good night
[21:18] <akik> kuriozalny: yes that's the correct package
[21:18] <akik> kuriozalny: mind though the test will take a lot of time
[21:19] <Nitrigaur> Good (insert local time of day here), everyone. kuriozalny, good luck getting your laptop into a usable state
[21:19] <hipp> kuriozalny: i use hirens .... lots of hdd tools ...  dos)
[21:19] <hipp> * stochastix (~quassel@unaff
[21:19] <hipp> http://www.hirensbootcd.org/
[21:19] <Nitrigaur> hipp, does that DVDROM support gpt paritions?
[21:20] <hipp> i believe it does ...  it is a collection of tools
[21:20] <hipp> has vendor specific hdd diagnostics
[21:21] <Nitrigaur> nvm, Going to sleep. Zzzzzzzzz Goodbye everyone. @ akik, EriCe, thank you for thinking with me on my ACL issue with my SD-card.
[21:23] <kuriozalny> akik: how do i use badblocks? can't get anything from usage, it requires some input.. and output?
[21:24] <kuriozalny> akik: nvm, i'll google it
[21:24] <jwr> Ubuntu 16.04 normally comes with kernlel 4.4, but i want to run 4.6. pretty much everything on google says "download some deb file, dpkg -i, and you're good". will apt then know that it should pull new bugfixes and stuff from... where?
[21:24] <akik> kuriozalny: sudo badblock -n -o output_file -s -v /dev/sdxn
[21:25] <akik> kuriozalny: output_file is for the list of bad blocks it finds
[21:25] <akik> kuriozalny: sudo badblocks -n -o output_file -s -v /dev/sdxn
[21:27] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic-lts-xenial
[21:27] <ubottu> Package linux-image-generic-lts-xenial does not exist in zesty
[21:27] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic-lts-xenial xenial
[21:27] <ubottu> linux-image-generic-lts-xenial (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image (dummy transitional package). In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.81.87 (xenial), package size 1 kB, installed size 13 kB
[21:29] <jwr> Bashing-om: was that for me? since I asked about the kernel in xenial?
[21:30] <jwr> suppose i follow the directions here: https://websetnet.com/linux-kernel-462-stable-install-upgrade-kernel-ubuntu-1604/
[21:31] <jwr> and i get 4.6 installed correctly in 16.04. but a few weeks later there will be new bugfixes and security fixes and stuff. how would apt-get know where to pull those from?
[21:32] <kuriozalny> aight, thanks a lot for help, it's almost midnight here in poland so i'd be going to sleep, i've written down your ideas on how to fix it, since im on live cd, so i wont forget it
[21:32] <kuriozalny> and i'll be trying tomorrow
[21:33] <kuriozalny> i'll try to run the tests tomorrow, and if it returns positive, i'll be back with another usb stick
[21:33] <kuriozalny> good night to you all
[21:33] <Bashing-om> jwr: What ya want here is HWE, that will intall thge 4.8 series kernel . https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack ,
[21:34] <Bashing-om> !hwe | jwr
[21:34] <ubottu> jwr: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[21:34] <kuriozalny> we're at freenode.net right?
[21:46] <fishcooker> why there are nmap status output: filtered then change to close vise and versa
[21:50] <fishcooker> why not close only
[21:50] <jwr> Bashing-om: yes, that looks like what i want. thank you!
[21:50] <fishcooker> *closed
[21:58] <hehehe_off> ...
[21:59] <sdk> hehehe_off: ...
[21:59] <hehehe_off> :)
[21:59] <hehehe_off> how many business use ubuntu nowdays?
[22:01] <DArqueBishop> !ot | hehehe_off
[22:01] <ubottu> hehehe_off: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[22:08] <genii> hehehe_off: According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters at least 11 governments
[22:08] <hehehe_off> any stats?kl\
[22:08] <hehehe_off> ty
[22:09] <genii> No stats that I could discover
[22:12] <genii> hehehe_off: Also the majority of webservers now that are based on spun up VMs like Amazon AWS and others are Ubuntu based, so whatever companies use those are also using it, even if not in their brick and mortar offices
[22:13] <fishcooker>  how to disable iptables for 5minutes?
[22:15] <genii> fishcooker: Use iptables-save, then iptables -F, wait the 5 minutes or however long, then iptables-restore
[22:17] <genii> fishcooker: Command syntax for those under this section https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo#Saving_iptables
[22:18] <fishcooker> noted genii... i don't want to locked up myself
[22:40] <justJanne> I have an issue where ubuntu is not trusting root certificates used by Google, resulting in ubuntu being unable to connect to several Google properties
[22:40] <justJanne> An example url that can be tested with curl or wget is
[22:40] <justJanne> https://magenta.tensorflow.org/assets/nsynth_06_19_17/08-laaa.mp3
[22:40] <justJanne> The information how to include the CA is described here
[22:40] <justJanne> https://security.googleblog.com/2017/01/the-foundation-of-more-secure-web.html
[22:40] <justJanne> Is this intentional?
[22:41] <Genk1> Hello all
[22:42] <Genk1> OK I have some kind of special question : I want a limited access user to have the possibility of executing chmod command in a file that was already owned by another user
[22:43] <Genk1> let's say : user abc need to chmod a file x owned by user xyz
[22:43] <genii> justJanne: That might be a better question for #ubuntu-server
[22:43] <Genk1> I was thinking about chroot jailing
[22:43] <justJanne> genii: this is an issue that also affects anyone trying to connect to Google websites
[22:44] <justJanne> genii: major Google sites being inaccessible from ubuntu, client or server, seems to be a larger issue
[22:45] <justJanne> (firefox and chrome ship their own ca lists(
[22:46] <Ichimusai> Genk1: You might want to look into using setid on a script that only chowns the file to the correct user.
[22:47] <Genk1> Ichimusai: yes I was thinking about suid but I didn't know how to implement this
[22:47] <Genk1> I will try to check this out
[22:48] <Ichimusai> Genk1: Make a script that does the right thing, chown it to root, set the suid bit. Now make sure you implement proper bounds checking so it cant be used outside its scope
[22:49] <genii> justJanne: There seems to be a thread explaining about curl/wget not caching intermediate certificates here https://github.com/certbot/certbot/issues/2026
[22:50] <justJanne> genii: it's not about caching intermediate certificates
[22:50] <justJanne> genii: it's an issue with ca-certificates not being updates
[22:50] <justJanne> Firefox added the certificate to their ca list in january 2017
[22:50] <justJanne> ca-certificates was last updated in debian, ubuntu, and derivates in nov 2016
[22:50] <genii> justJanne: Maybe you should read there first and then get back to me
[22:51] <justJanne> (the ca was created in 2017)
[22:51] <genii> justJanne: The user in this case added the LetsEncrypt cert but it was still not used because of the caching which browsers do automatically
[22:52] <justJanne> genii: this is not about the lets encrypt certificate
[22:52] <justJanne> This is about a new Google root CA created in 2017
[22:53] <justJanne> Which works with curl and wget if you recreate ca-certificates manually
[22:53] <justJanne> Or if you use the ca list from firefox
[22:54] <justJanne> I'll just file first the bug against debian, and then a bug against ubuntu to import the updated package
[22:56] <tgm4883> justJanne: IDK, both digicert and ssllabs are complaining about the cert chain for that URL
[22:57] <genii> justJanne: If you think it's a bug, file against package ca-certificates
[22:58] <backnforth> Hi, my laptop failed to work today with ubuntu 17.04 but worked with ubuntu 16.04
[22:59] <Bashing-om> !details | backnforth
[22:59] <ubottu> backnforth: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel.
[22:59] <tgm4883> genii: I don't think it's a bug. I think it's just missing an intermediate certificate on teh server
[23:00] <backnforth> My internet was failing to work
[23:00] <genii> tgm4883: Here also, as the link I gave explains ( just in their case a different cert)
[23:00] <backnforth> Everything else worked fine
[23:00] <backnforth> I was able to ping my local router and get an ip, but could not communicate with the outside world
[23:01] <genii> !dnssec
[23:03] <Ichimusai> backnforth: What was your network settings in 16.04 and did you implement dem in the 17.04 you tried?
[23:04] <backnforth> Ichimusai: They were both a fresh install
[23:05] <Ichimusai> backnforth: What was your network settings in 16.04 and did you implement dem in the 17.04 you tried?
[23:05] <genii> There is also a known DNSSEC issue in systemd resolved
[23:05] <Ichimusai> What is not an issue in systemd (sigh)
[23:07] <backnforth> Ichimusai: I think the network settings were the same
[23:08] <genii> backnforth: Try editing /etc/systemd/resolved.conf to change #DNSSEC=no  to DNSSEC=no  and then restart resolvconf
[23:08] <backnforth> genii: I don't have 17.04 anymore.. I have a working 16.04
[23:08] <genii> Ah, nvm then :)
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