[00:08] <dr_horrible> close
[00:56] <a_p3rson|W> Hey y'all, trying to repair a W10x64-based computer though a 16.04 live cd that I have. The computer has a hard drive that I can tell is faulty, but I'm doing everything I can to save the data on it. ntfs-3g is having problems with the drive, but I'm unsure how to get around them.
[00:58] <a_p3rson|W> Right now, I'm trying to resize the partition (it's about 25% full), and put it on a new drive. However, GParted is unable to do so - specifically, `ntfsresize -ifv /dev/sdb4` returns "ERROR(2): ntfs_lookup_attr: No such file or directory"
[00:59] <a_p3rson|W> What's even weirder is that I can mount the disk just fine - `mount -o ro -t ntfs-3g ...` works just fine, and I can browse the faulty partition and copy files. However, that won't preserve NTFS perms, which will most likely send Windows in to a tizzy.
[00:59] <a_p3rson|W> Hence, I'm trying to figure out what this issue with ntfs-3g is.
[00:59] <genii> a_p3rson|W: I wouldn't bother much with that
[00:59] <a_p3rson|W> genii: With what?
[01:00] <genii> With mounting a failing drive to try and save data on it
[01:00] <genii> Better is ddrescue to an image on a larger drive, then mount that and salvage stuff
[01:00] <a_p3rson|W> I don't have a larger drive handy, that's the problem.
[01:01] <a_p3rson|W> I'm trying to avoid that option, if at all possible.
[01:02] <a_p3rson|W> I mean, my personal main desktop has a RAID0 set of 2TB drives - I suppose I could take one out, and use that.
[01:02] <a_p3rson|W> though, I'd then have to rebuild a 2TB RAID array, which is going to take time
[01:04] <genii> The main problem is that if the drive is failing, every time you use it hastens it's end so you want to work on it live the least amount possible
[01:04] <genii> ( ideally just once with ddrescue)
[01:05] <a_p3rson|W> Very true.
[01:14] <jiffe> so I'm trying to install libmono and something seems to be broken
[01:14] <jiffe>  libmono-system-web2.0-cil : Depends: mono-runtime (< 3.12.2) but 4.2.3.4-0xamarin2 is to be installed
[01:16] <a_p3rson|W> genii: So, my Ubuntu live cd is actually an e2b drive, I think I might be able to cannibalize some space from that, about 1TB
[01:17] <a_p3rson|W> Thanks for the assistance
[01:22] <Bashing-om> jiffe: Conflict of interest ? what shows ' apt policy mono-runtime ' ?
[01:23] <gtxbb> Bashing-om, did you maybe mean ##linux XD
[01:24] <jiffe> Bashing-om: yeah I was following web instructions but I think I may already have what I need installed
[01:24] <Bashing-om> gtxbb: Well, if jiffe is not running 'buntu, then yeah .
[01:42] <ca-on-adam> Is #ubuntu always going to be registered-only from now on? pita.
[01:44] <spuniun> anyone have some experience with nfs krb5 over internet?
[01:44] <genii> Less of a pain to register once than to be spammed by unregistered bands of roaming botnets
[01:45] <spuniun> I can't seem to get my client to make any attempt at ticket request
[01:45] <spuniun> krb works fine manually tho
[01:47] <ca-on-adam> Anyway... why I'm here is there is an issue with sshd - it seems to only be accepting connections from IP addresses that can be resolved.  Any idea why this behaviour?
[01:52] <spuniun> you try "UseDNS no" @ca-on-adam ?
[01:52] <genii> ca-on-adam: https://askubuntu.com/questions/246323/why-does-sshs-password-prompt-take-so-long-to-appear
[01:52] <genii> That link explains the UseDNS option, as well as the fix
[01:55] <EleanorEllis> Is the realtime kernel for ubuntustudio any slower than the regular ubuntu kernel for general purpose activities like web browsing or using office applications? I have a fairly old computer with only 8GB RAM which struggles when I have several tabs open in my browser so I am wondering whether to dual boot ubuntustudio with regular ubuntu and only use ubuntustudio when I am editing video or audio.
[01:55] <ca-on-adam> spuniun: genii: "useDNS" does not appear in the system's sshd_config.  I assume this means it is not enabled?
[01:56] <spuniun> default is yes
[01:56] <genii> ca-on-adam: You have to explicitly add it with no, otherwise it's default is set to yes
[01:57] <genii> ( and no entry in there)
[01:57] <spuniun> all config variables have a default value whether you see them defined or not
[01:58] <genii> Yep
[01:59] <EleanorEllis> Is there any problem with sharing a /home partition between regular ubuntu and ubuntustudio? Also attaching the same /home partition to future versions of these so that I keep my documents and application settings?
[01:59] <Ben64> EleanorEllis: i don't think dual booting ubuntu and stuido makes sense
[02:00] <EleanorEllis> Ben64: My earlier question about dual-booting was Is the realtime kernel for ubuntustudio any slower than the regular ubuntu kernel for general purpose activities like web browsing or using office applications? I have a fairly old computer with only 8GB RAM which struggles when I have several tabs open in my browser so I am wondering whether to dual boot ubuntustudio with regular ubuntu and only use ubuntustudio when I am editing video 
[02:00] <Ben64> yeah i still don't think it makes sense
[02:01] <EleanorEllis> Ben64: Why is that? I don't understand
[02:01] <Ben64> the realtime kernel isnt going to slow down everything else
[02:02] <EleanorEllis> OK so I would be better just using studio for everything? That would be much more convenient for me
[02:02] <Ben64> yeah
[02:02] <Ben64> or regular ubuntu for everything
[02:02] <sary> EleanorEllis: I use the Liquorix kernel on the desktop for multimedia and gaming. Try it!
[02:03] <Ben64> or if you really wanted to, you could install the normal kernel too and choose it on boot
[02:03] <EleanorEllis> Thanks very much. I will install studio and delete my regular ubuntu installation. What about my question about attaching my /home partition to future versions of ubuntustudio??
[02:03] <EleanorEllis> sary: What is the advantage of that kernel?
[02:07] <EleanorEllis> Ben64: But is there much advantage to installing the regular kernel alongside the realtime kernel if the realtime kernel won't be any slower for web-browsing?
[02:08] <Ben64> i'd think not but you can do whatever you like, thats why linux is cool :)
[02:08] <EleanorEllis> Ben64: True but I want to do the most sensible and easiest thing for me rather than introduce additional levels of complexity
[02:09] <ca-on-adam> spuniun: genii: out of three systems, only one seems to be obeying the unwritten default of 'UseDNS yes' -- any idea why it is arbitrarily happening?
[02:09] <spuniun> sshd tried to reverse lookup all connections by default
[02:09] <spuniun> unless yu set UseDNS no
[02:10] <genii> ca-on-adam: The other machines must be able to resolve the IP
[02:10] <genii> So probably either their placement in the network, or the way they resolve addresses
[02:11] <sary> EleanorEllis: https://liquorix.net/ , and check the benchmarks on the web.
[02:11] <spuniun> if you need to disable PTR entirely you need -u0 in /etc/default/ssh
[02:12] <spuniun> UseDNS no just stops sshd from rejecting bad PTR
[02:12] <spuniun> not from performing reverse dns
[02:12] <ca-on-adam> genii: spuniun: well I don't believe it, but some screwy way has led to the two working systems getting addresses resolved which I wasn't aware of.  I will remove that and let you know what happens.
[02:13] <EleanorEllis> sary: I am looking at liquorix.net but I don't have sufficient techinical knowledge to understand  much of it. The thing that worries me is higher power consumption: my battery life is pretty poor already.
[02:13] <genii> ca-on-adam: OK
[02:14] <EleanorEllis> sary: On the rare occasions I use my laptop on battery, I barely get an hour or less out of it.
[02:14] <spuniun> I fixed my nfs issue no help to you all :P
[02:16] <genii> spuniun: Congrats on getting it sorted out yourself :)
[02:17] <spuniun> I hate krb
[02:17] <EleanorEllis> sary: "Zen Interactive Tuning: Tunes the kernel for responsiveness at the cost of throughput and power usage." If throughput is lower, doesn't that make the kernel slower overall?
[02:17] <spuniun> but I need a faster encrypted remote fs than sshfs
[02:18] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: I just found out about https://bitbucket.org/nikratio/s3ql/            Is that any good to you?
[02:19] <spuniun> ah no, thx tho EleanorEllis
[02:19] <spuniun> I'm using google drive already for that
[02:20] <spuniun> for this issue I'm mounting a dir on host in one colo on one in a disparate colo
[02:20] <spuniun> so traffic over internet
[02:20] <spuniun> sshfs has terrible throughput
[02:20] <genii> Well, you can give it some optimizing options but not much
[02:20] <spuniun> and I don't want to weaken sshd ciphers for the entire host just to manage performance for sshfs
[02:21] <genii> Like -C for use compression, etc
[02:21] <spuniun> yeah, I've tried everything
[02:21] <spuniun> it's just 50% the speed of nfs
[02:22] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: I take it from what you are saying that nfs is not encrypted?
[02:22] <ca-on-adam> spuniun: genii: So I made sure my client did not resolve on any of the three systems, yet only the troublesome one continues to not accept connections...
[02:22] <spuniun> it is
[02:22] <spuniun> krb5p
[02:23] <genii> ca-on-adam: Interesting and intriguing
[02:23] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: ^ Was that message to me or someone else?
[02:23] <spuniun> to you
[02:23] <spuniun> nfs4 krb5p is encrypted auth and transfer
[02:23] <spuniun> but kerberos is a mega pita
[02:23] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: So if nfs is encrypted, why not use that?
[02:24] <spuniun> I'm trying
[02:24] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: What is kerberos?
[02:24] <spuniun> exactly
[02:24] <spuniun> kerberos is an authentication mechanism
[02:24] <spuniun> and it's hugely annoying to work with
[02:25] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: I presume nfs can only use kerberos authentication and no other method? Why is it a pita?
[02:26] <ca-on-adam> genii: So I have set 'UseDNS yes' on the two 'good' systems, restarted sshd, and STILL they accept my connection from an unresolvable ip.
[02:28] <genii> Yeah, not sure how that happens.
[02:28] <kelvinella> Hi does Ubuntu fully support touch screen?
[02:29] <spuniun> unresolvable is different that invalid
[02:29] <genii> ca-on-adam: Might be you use a free dns service like opendns which resolves unresolveable IPs to itself
[02:29] <spuniun> EleanorEllis nfs can use many different auth types
[02:29] <spuniun> krb just happens to be a scheme that also has tranfer encryption
[02:29] <spuniun> no other method of nfs connection is encrypted
[02:29] <genii> ( I think google might also do this on 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 )
[02:29] <kelvinella> And what about finger print recognition similar to windows hello?
[02:30] <genii> kelvinella: Yes, most USB readers are supported with fingerprintgui
[02:31] <spuniun> and krb is annoying because it's very complicated, there are two different implementations and the documentation is poor
[02:31] <ca-on-adam> genii: All this ssh action is happening between two LANs, so the only DNS that was happening is the dns provided by the LAN gateway/modem.
[02:31] <genii> kelvinella: The best way to know if it will work on the hardware in question is to boot it up to a liveusb
[02:32] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: Thanks for that clarification.
[02:32] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: All these points help me with my education. :)
[02:33] <spuniun> krb is what Microsoft Active Directory uses for authentication
[02:33] <spuniun> so it's most often used in conjunction with LDAP implementations in *nix
[02:35] <kelvinella> I just bought a Dell XPS 13 2-in-1, I am wondering if Ubuntu can run on it
[02:35] <spuniun> ok, nice
[02:35] <spuniun> getting 30mbit with nfs krb5p vs 12mbit with sshfs
[02:35] <spuniun> it's a very far link
[02:35] <EleanorEllis> kelvinella: I think if nobody here knows, perhaps the simplest thing would be to try it with a live USB or CD if you can do that.
[02:36] <spuniun> ^^
[02:36] <genii> spuniun: Might try tcp instead of udp, also, if you haven't yet
[02:36] <spuniun> nfs4 is tcp always
[02:36] <genii> Ah, good. Been a while since I used it.
[02:37] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: I wonder if tcp might be what is slowing it down?
[02:37] <spuniun> yeah v4 is a hige improvement
[02:37] <spuniun> you need tcp for reliable xfer EleanorEllis
[02:37] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: Can sshfs use udp?
[02:38] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: But aren't there methods to do file transfer over udp that overcome that? Or are they merely replicating tcp?
[02:38] <spuniun> UDP is far too unreliable
[02:39] <spuniun> there's no ACK so you can't know you got all packets
[02:40] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: I vaguely remember on a course many years ago the instructor demonstrating a huge speed difference between ftp and file transfer through a Explorer (this was on Windows NT4) and he said that ftp was slower because it used tcp.
[02:40] <EleanorEllis> ^ Please excuse me for swearing!
[02:40] <genii> EleanorEllis: Previously nfs used udp by default but it didn't matter much because most people just used it on their lan and not over the internet. But more people are doing this now.You had to explicitly tell it before to use tcp instead.
[02:41] <EleanorEllis> genii: I suppose on a LAN, if the file is not intact you can just request it again and you are not so worried about speed?
[02:42] <spuniun> yes EleanorEllis UDP is faster because it has no overhead
[02:42] <spuniun> TCP has full roundtrip acknowledgement of packets
[02:43] <spuniun> so there's marked overhead with all the back and forth REQ and ACK packets
[02:43] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: I was thinking you could so a checksum on files before sending but then if something is missing I guess you don't know which part so you would have to request the entire file again?
[02:43] <spuniun> but this is important
[02:43] <spuniun> cause it means you can be sure you got everything
[02:43] <spuniun> yes, there are some xfer protocols that do that for you
[02:43] <spuniun> but they are very obscure because TCP just works better
[02:44] <spuniun> with inherent error correction of the protocol
[02:44] <spuniun> if you send a huge file over the internet with many hops via UDP you're not gunna get usable data on the other end
[02:45] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: Does TCP stop transmission while waiting for the ACK, or does it keep sending and do any necessary retransmission later? Is that an option that can be set?
[02:45] <spuniun> it's asyncronous
[02:45] <spuniun> packets do not have to arrive in order
[02:45] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: So TCP does not halt transmission while waiting for the ACK?
[02:46] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: Sorry, my knowledge is sketchy, so I have to ask confirmation on things
[02:46] <spuniun> no
[02:46] <spuniun> there's a REQ and ACK on every frame
[02:46] <spuniun> if it doesn't get the ACK then then packet is likely dropped
[02:47] <spuniun> and would be resent
[02:52] <EleanorEllis> spuniun: I had a feeling that you might already have considered xfer protocols over udp. Thanks for explaining to me anyway.
[03:05] <OneM_Industries> Is there a fan control package out there?
[03:17] <Bashing-om> OneM_Industries: lm-sensors packge supports a fan control plugin .
[03:17] <OneM_Industries> Ooh, ok.
[03:18] <hanasaki> suggestions for a tutorial on setting up a system with boot password and encrypted disk?
[04:13] <cryptic0> 	how do I grep a variable followed by some text?  zgrep $"^${barcode}TGCA" file.gz
[04:14] <ca-on-adam> bye
[04:18] <swift110-phone> hey
[04:18] <leftyfb> cryptic0: why do you have a $ in front?
[04:20] <cryptic0> leftyfb I am using ^ to indicate beginning of the line
[04:20] <leftyfb> cryptic0: you have a $ in front of that
[04:20] <leftyfb> remove it
[04:20] <cryptic0> leftyfb yes, it is needed to tell grep that ^ is a syntax not literal
[04:20] <leftyfb> incorrect
[04:21] <cryptic0> Anyway, this solution works for me: zgrep -P $"^${var}TGCA" file.gz
[04:21] <leftyfb> not only does it not do that, what you think it does isn't necessary
[04:21] <cryptic0> leftyfb explain why it still works.
[04:23] <leftyfb> cryptic0: -P interprets your regex as perl
[04:24] <cryptic0> Are you suggesting that this will work: zgrep "^${var}TGCA" file.gz
[04:25] <leftyfb> it does with grep on a text file. And it does find the value in the binary with zgrep, but for some reason I'm not able to show the found line with -
[04:25] <leftyfb> -a
[04:29] <glitsj16> cryptic0: zgrep -w "${var}TGCA" file.gz .. -w implies substring match at beginning of line
[04:34] <CodeMouse92__> Need some help. Ubuntu 16.04 MATE fresh installation (OEM). Wifi was working. Then, after client sets up account (during which process, wifi is still working)...we restart and the wifi is NOT working.
[04:34] <CodeMouse92__> That is, the network menu says 'wifi disabled', even after manually turning it on via ifconfig
[04:35] <CodeMouse92__> Also tried 'systemctl restart network-manager', no dice
[04:35] <CodeMouse92__> How do I begin fixing this?
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: is that system up to date to 16.04.2?
[04:37] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Yep. 16.04.2 LTS. All updates ran earlier today.
[04:37] <glitsj16> CodeMouse92__: have you tried 'sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager' yet? network-manager isn't a valid systemd unit i believe
[04:37] <CodeMouse92__> glitsj16: I've tried that too. No dice.
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: what kind of wifi chipset is that?
[04:38] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Not sure. Realtek, I think. How do I get that again?
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: sudo lshw -C network
[04:39] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Right, okay. Wireless interface is...
[04:39] <CodeMouse92__> AR242x/AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) Vender: Qualcomm Atheros
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: driver= loaded?
[04:40] <CodeMouse92__> driver=ath5k
[04:40] <CodeMouse92__> driverversion=4.4.0-81-generic
[04:40] <CodeMouse92__> firmware=N/A
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: have you tried a reboot since?
[04:41] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Three.
[04:41] <CodeMouse92__> (After different attempts, of course.)
[04:42] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Every time I reboot, I have to rerun 'sudo ifconfig wlp7s0 up'
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: open a tail -f /var/log/syslog and restart network-manager, see what kind of errors you getting?
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: also check your kernel version plz, uname -a ?
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[04:43] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Okay, Kernal is 4.4.0-81-generic
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> sounds good
[04:44] <CodeMouse92__> I do seem to have some errors here. I'm on another laptop, let me transcribe....
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: another test could be loading up a previous kernel to check
[04:44] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: First of all, 'WiFi hardware radio set enabled'
[04:44] <CodeMouse92__> 'WWAN hardware radio set enabled'
[04:44] <CodeMouse92__> And then...
[04:45] <CodeMouse92__> 'error resolving pool 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org: Temporary fail in name resolution (-3)
[04:45] <CodeMouse92__> Repeat that with 1.ubuntu, 2.ubuntu, ntp.ubuntu.com, etc etc etc
[04:45] <CodeMouse92__> It's throwing those every few seconds.
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[04:46] <CodeMouse92__> OH! I also have a warn before that.
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: have you tried an eth cable to see if network work properly there?
[04:46] <CodeMouse92__> "failed to enumerate oFono devices: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.ofono was not provided by any .service files"
[04:46] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: I'll have to move into another room to try that. brb
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> sourav: dont join irc as root
[04:48] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Righto, Ethernet works
[04:48] <CodeMouse92__> Tested via a 'ping -c 5 google.com', 5 in, 5 out, all good. So, it's just the wifi.
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: i had something similar on a laptop yesterday, sudo service network-manager restart and a reboot did the trick for me after an update
[04:49] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Yeah, I did that three times.
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: sounds like a new bug after update
[04:49] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Could be. It was a fresh reboot after a kernal update. Although, it was weird, since it WAS working while in user-setup mode (after OEM-prepare for end user)
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: could you try your wifi on previous kernel?
[04:49] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Let me try rebooting into old kernal.
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah tnx
[04:50] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: So, I'm dropping back from 81 to 21 here
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: allrighty, lets see what happens
[04:52] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Same sitch. No wifi
[04:52] <CodeMouse92__> The menu says 'Wi-Fi is disabled' still
[04:52] <gigafish> CodeMouse92__: Sorry, I just got in, what is the issue?
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> gigafish: atheros chipset, on mate xenial,no wifi after update
[04:53] <CodeMouse92__> gigafish: Ubuntu MATE 16.04.02 fresh install. Wifi WAS working while on OEM account. Did sys updates, prepared for End-User...
[04:53] <CodeMouse92__> Worked while client set up his account.
[04:53] <CodeMouse92__> Restarted AFTER that, no wifi.
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: tryed the guest account also?
[04:54] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Haven't. Let me see about that.
[04:54] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Also dead on guest
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> allright
[04:55]  * CodeMouse92__ logs back in as admin user
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: a deeper look into syslog whats happening with wifi perhaps?
[04:56] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Every time a log in, btw, ifconfig shows that wlp7s0 is not running. Bringing it up makes no difference
[04:56] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Sure, let's do that. Where do you want me to check?
[04:56] <gigafish> CodeMouse92__: Connect via Ethernet and try re-installing the wifi firmware via https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch06s04.html.en (wheezy release debian packages). Then restart.
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: can you make a pastebin of the whole log?
[04:57] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Not easily. Hm. Hold on, perhaps. Gotta move to ethernet area again
[04:58] <gigafish> Run 'dpkg -i *.deb' in the downloads folder to unpack the .deb packages.
[04:58] <CodeMouse92__> gigafish: Stand by. Let me infodump for lotuspsychje first
[04:59] <gigafish> CodeMouse92__: Ok.
[05:02] <CodeMouse92> lotuspsychje, incoming infodump as requested. (all 17911 lines...I can trim if you want): https://bpaste.net/show/cabdb3ef9b1e
[05:03] <CodeMouse92__> (CodeMouse92/JasonMc92 are my alternative names. I signed in on the laptop as well)
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: tnx lemme have a look
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: can you try ignore ipv6 in network settings as a test?
[05:09] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Let's see
[05:09] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: MATE. How do I do that?
[05:10] <CodeMouse92__> (Not familiar with this DE fully yet.)
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: not sure on mate, but rightmouse wifi icon should give edit network settings
[05:10] <shadow98> hey guys trying to make the switch to ubuntu....  I install hexchat from the (Ubuntu Software) I guess the equivilant of windows store....but i don't see it in the launcher
[05:10] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: I've got Connection Information and Edit Connections...
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: edit yes
[05:11] <CodeMouse92__> shadow98: Try logging out, logging in again. Sometimes it takes that to refresh your dash/launcher
[05:11] <CodeMouse92__> shadow98: Make sure it ISN'T in Dash first. Press the start button on your keyboard and type "hexchat"
[05:11] <CodeMouse92__> If it's there, drag-and-drop to launcher
[05:11] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Okay, right....click the wifi connection and hit Edit, yes?
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: yes
[05:12] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: okay, and then...yeah this is universal here. Do what now in this?
[05:12] <shadow98> i tried that is there a way to refresh it without having to logout
[05:13] <CodeMouse92__> shadow98: Uhm, not as far as I remember. Logout/login is the typical way. Or just wait.
[05:13] <genii> lines 1128 to 1131 look pertinent
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: can you see anything related to ipv6 there?
[05:14] <CodeMouse92__> IPv6 Settings.
[05:14] <CodeMouse92__> That's set to Automatic
[05:14] <CodeMouse92__> OH! Ignore there
[05:14] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Yeah, set that. Problem is, wifi is saying "disabled" altogether
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: ok right
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: you didnt edit hostname stuff before right?
[05:15] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: iwlist scan shows "No scan results"
[05:15] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: No, hostname was set during OEM setup.
[05:15] <genii> lotuspsychje: Jun 24 18:43:51 CompaqPresario NetworkManager[769]: <info>  [1498355028.0719] device (wlp7s0): state change: activated -> deactivating (reason 'connection-removed') [100 110 38]
[05:15] <CodeMouse92__> That is, while the user set things up
[05:15] <genii> ( line 1130)
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> genii: yeah also found link is not ready etc
[05:16] <CodeMouse92__> Hiya genii, nice to see you on this side of the curtain.
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__ genii device (wlp7s0): state change: unmanaged -> unavailable (reason 'managed') [10 20 2]
[05:16] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Let me double check /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname here, make sure nothing borked
[05:17] <CodeMouse92__> Yeah, no, those are okay. Both set to what the user selected during first-boot.
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> !hostname | CodeMouse92__ doublecheck
[05:17] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Yes, I checked. They're both correct.
[05:17] <CodeMouse92__> There's no trace of the OEM-time hostname.
[05:18] <CodeMouse92__> Unless...well, that should have been changed when setup prompted for a new one, yes? It didn't even suggest the old one.
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: the suggestion of gigafish to try perhaps?
[05:18] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: sure. gigafish, what was that link again?
[05:19] <shadow98> that worked :)
[05:19] <CodeMouse92__> gigafish: Nevermind, I just scrolled up. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch06s04.html.en
[05:20] <shadow98> how do i get google drive to show in the file manager
[05:20] <shadow98> i tried install the online accounts but its not showing
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: gotta run mate, another test could be test a vanilla ubuntu desktop liveusb, or in worst case create a new !bug
[05:21] <CodeMouse92__> gigafish: Help with that solution? (a) can't parse the right download out of that page.
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> !atheros | CodeMouse92__
[05:21] <shadow98> i tried this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/use-google-drive-ubuntu-16-04-linux-desktops
[05:21] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Yeah, gotta run MATE. :\
[05:21] <CodeMouse92__> shadow98: Google Drive integration with Ubuntu is....sketchy.
[05:22] <CodeMouse92__> gigafish: (b) am I supposed to install ALL of the stuff in the tarball, if that's what I'm supposed to download? That seems to be a BUNCH of drivers
[05:23] <CodeMouse92__> What's driving me nuts....this WAS working before.
[05:27] <_cc> I've tried to install Ubuntu using both ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso and mini.iso (the same flavour) in VMWare, and the installation seems to fail in the same phase every time: when installing I get "Install the base system" and it says "Debootsrap warning" "Warning: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times."
[05:27] <_cc> checking the console and the latest message from debootstrap is "Processing triggers for resolvconf (1.79ubuntu4)"
[05:27] <shadow98> i got this dock...  https://www.kensington.com/en/tr/4491/k33972eu/sd3500v-usb-30-universal-dual-docking-station  everything works except the displays.  I installed the Display Link Drivers for linux.  Any thoughts on how to make this work?
[05:30] <lagggy> hello, this is a test. I don't know if #irchelp is dead, or if I'm still having problems. Anyone reading me?
[05:31] <CodeMouse92__> lagggy: Read you loud and clear.
[05:31] <genii> lagggy: Yes, we see what you type
[05:31] <lagggy> Thank you, genii
[05:33] <lagggy> you too, codemouse. alright then, I'm off to learn more. take care, everyone!
[05:33] <lagggy> that's /leave, right?
[05:34] <shadow98> Google-Drive: Works like a champ - https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-mount-your-google-drive-on-linux-with-google-drive-ocamlfuse/
[05:35] <CodeMouse92__> lagggy: /part, I think
[05:37] <genii> To just exit a channel, /part to leave the network, /quit
[05:39] <CodeMouse92__> genii: Maybe you can help here. I just tried to install firmware-atheros...
[05:39] <JasonMc92> https://bpaste.net/show/9a1ab34b0031
[05:39] <CodeMouse92__> ^^ that. What am I missing?
[05:40] <genii> CodeMouse92__: I'm pretty tired but I'll take a look
[05:41] <TLoFP> yo when was 4.4.0-81-generic released for public consumption?
[05:41] <genii> CodeMouse92__: Find the deb location and sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite on it
[05:42] <CodeMouse92__> genii: I won't regret it? That's my only worry. I was told to grab from debian jessie
[05:43] <CodeMouse92__> Oh boy. This card...this PARTICULAR card...there are questions on the net going back to 12.04. No solutions.
[05:43] <genii> CodeMouse92__: Just make a note of what other package's files it overwrote. If miserable fail then sudo apt-get install --reinstall those
[05:43] <CodeMouse92__> genii: Eep?
[05:44] <CodeMouse92__> genii: Honestly, if the .deb does NOT work, I am swapping this guy's network card out.
[05:44] <CodeMouse92__> (Assuming the other one I have is compatible
[05:44] <CodeMouse92__> I'm starting to think that'd be a better solution than this rigamaroll
[05:46] <CodeMouse92__> Actually, yeah. I've got an Intel wireless in stock. I'll see if that works before I continue messing with this Atheros
[05:50] <CodeMouse92__> SHOOT! Just dropped a tiny screw into the deepest part of the case
[05:53] <CodeMouse92__> Ah. Got it.
[05:55] <shadow98> how do i install these same package for zesty i have tried zesty and zesty-zapus
[05:56] <shadow98> here are the packages sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-utopic xserver-xorg-lts-utopic libegl1-mesa-drivers-lts-utopic xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-utopic xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-utopic
[05:56] <CodeMouse92__> !info xserver-xorg
[05:58] <CodeMouse92__> shadow98: I'm not sure, but I think you just need to drop the 'lts-utopic' part
[05:58] <oerheks> err you want HWE on zesty??
[05:58] <shadow98> what is HWE
[05:58] <EriC^^> !hwe
[05:59] <shadow98> so i need to go back to 16.04
[06:00] <CodeMouse92__> Okay, I just plugged a new wireless card into this laptop. What's the best way to get Ubuntu to scan for it and get the firmware?
[06:02] <hopland> Anyone know of a gnome-shell extension that makes the search in overview function more like gnome-do?
[06:03] <oerheks> i don't know what guide you follow, but back to 16.04 and then enable HWE with the benefits of a newer kernel and mesa.. or just use zesty
[06:05] <shadow98> I tired it without the lts-utopic on the end and everything was installed already...except https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/amd64/libegl1-mesa-drivers
[06:05] <shadow98> how do i get those for Zesty?
[06:07] <hopland> If the kernel is almost "rolling stable", then the DRI libraries should be as well...
[06:09] <glitsj16> hopland: not a gs extension no, but if you want to go that route, why not install an omnilauncher like synapse or albert etc. straight-away?
[06:11] <hopland> glitsj16: well I got gnome-do now - albert I haven't tried. Does it have an equivilant in OS X? Because I feel like I remember that name...
[06:12] <glitsj16> hopland: you might be mixing that with alfred, i don't know OS X to tell whether they're related :)
[06:13] <glitsj16> hopland: synapse is in the repo's, for albert you'll need a PPA --> https://launchpad.net/~flexiondotorg/+archive/ubuntu/albert
[06:15] <hopland> glitsj16: ooo - I always like to try out new things :D THat's why I'm running Ubuntu 17.04 now
[06:16] <hopland> I'm kind of impressed that Ubuntu is probably the only distro that currently supports flatpaks, snaps and appimages... I've tried elementary, solus, fedora, opensuse, endless os...
[06:16] <hopland> or 17.10, I mean... artful
[06:17] <genii> CodeMouse92__: It should have seen the adapter at next boot if it's an internal kind. If USB or something else removeable dmesg should show it when it's plugged in
[06:17] <glitsj16> hopland: i personally like albert a lot, very configurable via plugins, impressive feature set .. yes you're right, for experimenters Ubuntu has taken on new life
[06:18] <hopland> glitsj16: I'm kind of excited... I'd like to advocate Linux to common users, but one big barrier to entry is the complexity of actually obtaining software...
[06:18] <CodeMouse92__> genii: Internal card.
[06:18] <CodeMouse92__> Rebooted, no see
[06:18] <hopland> glitsj16: if snaps, flatpaks and appimages run stable, across the board, you could choose any distro you'd want, and get your third party apps directly from the vendors website :D
[06:19] <hopland> At least that's what I'm hoping...
[06:19] <genii> CodeMouse92__: See if it shows with ifconfig -a
[06:19] <CodeMouse92__> genii: Nothing
[06:19] <hopland> glitsj16: craaaaap... mono -.-
[06:19] <glitsj16> hopland: you need stereo?
[06:20] <genii> CodeMouse92__: Try the FN key combination on the laptop which turns the wifi on and off
[06:20] <hopland> glitsj16: no, I mean alfred - it downloaded a crapton of mono dependencies
[06:20] <CodeMouse92__> genii: This lappy doesn't have one.
[06:21] <hopland> glitsj16: cus like a genius I downloaded Alfred and not Albert xD
[06:21] <hopland> g'doy
[06:21] <glitsj16> hopland: ah wait, i hate mono myself, you might get away with the --no-recommends switch when installing, let me check
[06:21] <genii> CodeMouse92__: rfkill list
[06:21] <glitsj16> hopland: lol
[06:21] <CodeMouse92__> genii: Nothing killed. It's blank
[06:22] <hopland> glitsj16: this os x app had a similar name, like a typical name of a buttler. So I thought "alfred"...
[06:22] <genii> CodeMouse92__: So this one isn't being seen on a hardware level. Is this some thinkpad? They have whitelisted devices
[06:22] <hopland> glitsj16: ...which would be a better name... I'm Batman~!
[06:22] <hopland> glitsj16: o - qt5 :P
[06:22] <glitsj16> hopland: only some qt dependencies yes
[06:23] <oerheks> quickly identifying a PCI Wifi device: "lspci -nn -d ::280"
[06:24] <hopland> glitsj16: yeah, but that's fine. qt5 is actually quite slim and nimble, if utilized correctly
[06:25] <hopland> glitsj16: kind of disappointed that I couldn't run commands with arguments... though that maybe a plugin, I guess
[06:25] <genii> CodeMouse92__: Compaq Presario, I checked from earlier pastes... but what model?
[06:26] <glitsj16> hopland: i just noticed i get 'albert' from https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/ubuntu/webupd8 PPA, has a newer version
[06:26] <hopland> glitsj16: I've got 0.11 now - I see on github it's at 0.12
[06:27] <hopland> with a plugin called "terminal"
[06:27] <glitsj16> hopland, correct, the webupd8 PPA has that
[06:27] <CodeMouse92__> genii: CQ60
[06:28] <hopland> glitsj16: I'm living dangerously... got yakkety and zesty repos on my artful system :P
[06:29] <hopland> I'm just _waiting_ for a dependency knot...
[06:30] <glitsj16> hopland: as long as you know how to de-knot.. and a tested backup/restore routine heh
[06:30] <genii> CodeMouse92__: Yeah, apparently you can only put specific Compaq approved whitelisted cards in them. Trying to find out which ones now
[06:31] <glitsj16> hopland: going for breakfast, good luck with the Ubuntu
[06:31] <hopland> glitsj16: Well the newer version has terminal function - which you use by first entering ">"
[06:31] <hopland> glitsj16: Oh I don't need no luck :P I'm a nuke'n pave kind of guy.
[06:32] <hopland> A maniac with repositories, a bane for package managers, the sorrow of configuration parsers...!
[06:37] <genii> CodeMouse92__: Atheros 9280, Atheros 2425, Broadcom 4312, Intel Wifi Link 5100
[06:37]  * CodeMouse92__ tries to find a response that ISN'T a vulgarity
[06:38] <CodeMouse92__> genii: I shoved the Atheros back in. Same prob as before.
[06:38] <CodeMouse92__> That is...the Atheros problem is back.
[06:38] <genii> Meh :(
[06:41] <CodeMouse92__> Hm
[06:41] <CodeMouse92__> Well, sudo rfkill unblock wifi didn't fix it, of course, BUT..
[06:42] <CodeMouse92__> genii: HAH! Magic!
[06:42] <CodeMouse92__> Hard block was yes, hit the wifi button AGAIN...
[06:42] <CodeMouse92__> And then rfkill unblocked again.
[06:42] <CodeMouse92__> And it is BACK
[06:43] <genii> CodeMouse92__: I've seen some where if Windows turned it off you had to do something like that
[06:43] <CodeMouse92__> genii: Yeah, that wasn't it here, but close. Anyway, YAY, its back.
[06:44] <hopland> Is the vote/discussion for which extensions will be included in 17.10 gnome been concluded?
[06:44] <CodeMouse92__> It was that, if the wifi button is pressed, it hard-kills it. If you press again, it unblocks it on hard, but blocks on soft
[06:44] <CodeMouse92__> WEIRD
[06:44] <genii> CodeMouse92__: Maybe check if it persists after a shutdown/reboot cycle
[06:44] <CodeMouse92__> genii: Good thought.
[06:45] <genii> CodeMouse92__: You might need to put an rfkill unblock in rc.local
[06:45]  * CodeMouse92__ nods
[06:45] <CodeMouse92__> Good thought
[06:47] <CodeMouse92__> genii: Let me reboot and check that
[06:47]  * genii grabs another, smaller, coffee
[06:49] <CodeMouse92__> genii: It still works.
[06:50] <genii> Excellent.
[07:35] <cfhowlett> !ping
[07:58] <immu> Eid Mubarak to you all
[08:00] <frib> Hi, I am trying to use openGL in 16.04.02 LTS as per this tutorial: http://www.opengl-tutorial.org/beginners-tutorials/tutorial-1-opening-a-window/ but the tutorials crash
[08:00] <frib> I updated my graphics drivers using https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-update-tool-linux-os-v2.0.2 which went well but still no luck
[08:01] <frib> what can I do?? thanks!
[08:02] <codecutter> this works in my local machine (file system) but when i move it over to the server, the images stored the file system give 404 error status https://pastebin.com/1qBJAa8d
[08:02] <hoijui> is there a way to update ubuntu release (as in, for exammple, from 16.04 to 16.10) offline (as is possible for regular updates with apt-offline)?
[08:03] <hoijui> i found one way online, but it involves downloading the whole package repository
[08:03] <hoijui> and though i don;t know how big that is, i think it would be too big for all my storage media
[08:04] <hoijui> i do have internet on my "offline" machien, but it is very slow and fragile, and would never manage to download the 3GB required for this update
[08:05] <hoijui> alternatively, i would be interested in an online update mechanism that can be resumed after aborted/failure
[08:06] <wedgie> well, it downloads all the update packages up front, so i would imagine that canceling/resuming would be pretty easy up until that part finishes
[08:07] <hoijui> to me it seems, like it does not cache the downloaded packages, and starts from a fresh eac htime
[08:07] <hoijui> each time*
[08:07] <hoijui> i used "sudo update-manager -d"
[08:08] <wedgie> i dont have a good direct answer for you, but a crappy workaround might be to use aptcacher-ng.
[08:09] <wedgie> codecutter: more detail? that looks like java... what is it supposed to be doing and what happens instead?
[08:10] <codecutter> https://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/current/javadoc-api/org/springframework/web/servlet/config/annotation/WebMvcConfigurerAdapter.html#addResourceHandlers-org.springframework.web.servlet.config.annotation.ResourceHandlerRegistry-
[08:11] <hoijui> wedgie, col! :-) i will look into that.. sounds like a good idea to me :-)
[08:12] <hoijui> cool*
[08:12] <codecutter> i have files stored in the file system (as opposed to web app root) but i keep it getting 404 status
[08:12] <wedgie> hoijui: mostly useful if you have multiple machines, but might be useful in ypur situation
[08:12] <codecutter> works on the local machine (mac)
[08:13] <ka0l> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Solus "shannon" 2017.04.18.0 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4005U CPU @ 1.70GHz (1.60GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.7 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) Swap: 3.6 GiB Total (3.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 54.7 GB / 486.1 GB (431.4 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT DRAM Controller • Uptime: 1d 2h 17m 41s
[08:13] <wedgie> codecutter: and i trust you've modified those paths to match your server (as /user) isnt typical on ubuntu
[08:13] <whoami1> frib, you should download synaptic package manager
[08:13] <whoami1> and download all the opengl packages
[08:14] <codecutter> yes, here is teh error https://pastebin.com/AWUDQiEw
[08:14] <codecutter> let me show you the difference
[08:15] <hoijui> wedgie, hmmmmm :-) thanks again.. am already installing it, then configure...
[08:16] <codecutter> changed it to '/home/foo/image' from 'Users/foo/Pictures/'
[08:17] <wedgie> codecutter: and the webserver (tomcat?) has access to that folder?
[08:17] <wedgie> or rather, the user it is running as has access
[08:18] <codecutter> i don't think you need to do anything to tomcat (see Answer here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18362526/external-directory-with-static-content-in-tomcat-with-springmvc)
[08:19] <wedgie> has to be able to read the files, at least. can the tomcat user read that directory?
[08:19] <codecutter> that dir belongs to foo
[08:19] <wedgie> sudo -u tomcat ls -l /home/foo/images
[08:20] <wedgie> assuming that it is running as the user "tomcat" of course
[08:21] <codecutter> https://pastebin.com/upk1LMbV
[08:22] <wedgie> world readable, so probably not a permissions problem...
[08:22] <wedgie> codecutter: not sure. perhaps a spring channel will be better suited to such a question
[08:23] <cristian_c> hi
[08:24] <cristian_c> Could I simply put some driver modules (.mod files) into grub (I suppose /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/) in order to make some drives detectable and bootable by grub itself?
[08:24] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[08:24] <codecutter> ok, thks
[08:33] <samik> What is the 'input' group my '/dev/input/event*' devices have set the group permission to, shouldn't it be 'plugdev' group?
[08:35] <glitsj16> cristian_c: Do you know what module(s) you need? /etc/default/grub has GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES where you can add to. So at least you should be able to do a 'sudo grub-update' after adding the .mod's and visually check whether GRUB adds them to your /boot/grub/grub.cfg .. never had to add modules to GRUB though..
[08:36] <samik> I'm a member of plugdev group(not sure if I added myself manually earlier to that group), is this default for new initial user?
[08:37] <cristian_c> glitsj16: the os is not installed yet
[08:37] <samik> but /dev/input/event* devices shows it's owning group is input, not plugdev
[08:38] <cristian_c> glitsj16: and, the drive should be the boot drive
[08:38] <cristian_c> glitsj16: btw, I talk about modules as mmc_block, sdhci and sdhci_acpi
[08:39] <cristian_c> glitsj16: if I use insmod within grub shell, modules are not found, but it's normal because /boot/grub/x86_64-efi doesn't include these .mod files
[08:41] <glitsj16> cristian_c: i don't have /boot/grub/x86_64-efi so not recognizing those mod names i'm afraid.. insmod does nothing for GRUB, strictly kernel modules
[08:42] <glitsj16> cristian_c: so those modules are natively installed by GRUB? If so, it should be recognizing those without further editing needed
[08:49] <samik> So are new users created in Ubuntu by default members of plugdev group?
[08:52] <genii> No, they are only members of their own group and no others
[08:54] <geirha> He left, but the answer is yes, plugdev is one of the default groups regular users are added to
[08:58] <genii> geirha: https://pastebin.com/2ysgkTFm
[09:04] <geirha> I stand corrected. extra_groups aren't used for standard accounts apparently. I seem to remember there being a "Desktop user" type when creating users that would include those groups
[09:04] <geirha> The initial user will include those groups though
[09:05] <genii> Yes
[09:06] <glitsj16> genii: geirha: might be something in /etc/adduser.conf that adds users to default groups besides their own
[09:06] <genii> First user is special because they are admin
[09:06] <cristian_c> glitsj16: if you've a not-efi system, you'll find i386 or 64 directories into /boot/grub
[09:07] <geirha> Pretty sure there were three user types (in the Users and Groups GUI), Standard, Desktop and Administrator, and the latter two would get those extra groups
[09:08] <geirha> but seems to be reduced to just Standard and Administrator now
[09:08] <glitsj16> genii: /etc/adduser.conf seems to suggest geirha was right though --> line 75+ .. #EXTRA_GROUPS="dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev users"
[09:08] <genii> Commented out, yes
[09:09] <glitsj16> genii: yet it states that's the default, confusing
[09:09] <geirha> they'll be used if you include --add-extra-groups to adduser
[09:09] <genii> Perhaps if added by the gui
[09:09] <glitsj16> could be, haven't installed since 16.04
[09:12] <glitsj16> cristian_c: yes i have the i386-pc dir, but i don't see any of the mod files in there you referred to earlier, like mmc_block, sdhci and sdhci_acpi
[09:13] <cristian_c> glitsj16: so, I'd like to know if I can simply add them in order to make the drive detectable
[09:13] <cristian_c> and bootable
[09:14] <cristian_c> also, i386-efi exists
[09:15] <glitsj16> cristian_c: as I posted earlier, I have zero experience with UEFI/GRUB combo, all I can say is that if those mod files you named are native to GRUB, you can add them to /etc/default/grub in the GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES var
[09:17] <cristian_c> glitsj16: I talk about /boot/grub/86or64-efiornotefi/ directory that includes .mod files
[09:18] <glitsj16> cristian_c: I get that, what I'm missing is the larger context: what is it exactly that makes you wonder GRUB won't recognize the drive?
[09:18] <cristian_c> glitsj16: I suppose they are not native otherwise they'd be included with all the other .mod files
[09:19] <glitsj16> cristian_c: well, that's what I don't know, but if they aren't, where did you get those from?
[09:20] <cristian_c> glitsj16: I think grub cannot detect sdhc memories, if I type ls command in grub shell, it apparently doesn not detect it
[09:21] <cristian_c> glitsj16: I've not got the .mod files yet, I've looked at those modules looking at lsmod output in a running system
[09:21] <cristian_c> *found
[09:22] <cristian_c> so, ubuntu uses mmc_block, sdhci and sdhci_acpi in order to detect the memory and mount it also
[09:22] <glitsj16> cristian_c: i still think you're mixing GRUB .mod files with kernel modules. I guess the real test would be trusting GRUB, install and see what gives..
[09:23] <cristian_c> glitsj16: I was suggested to use insmod command in grub shell, in order to load the needed modules
[09:24] <glitsj16> cristian_c: better ask the person who suggested that to confirm he/she isn't pulling your legs :p
[09:24] <cristian_c> (I've looked also at some old threads in ubuntuforums)
[09:24] <cristian_c> *very old
[09:26] <cristian_c> in the ubuntforums thread guys talk about sdhci-pci, and also mmc_core, but it looks like depending on the hardware configuration
[09:34] <Scoop7> hello is there a website where I can search all available packages and see their version(with release dates etc), like wget, lynx, php etc....
[09:34] <bazhang> packages.ubuntu.com
[09:37] <Scoop7> ok, what is the process of releasing a package or github package ?
[09:44] <merkin> hi
[10:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:05] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[10:06] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[10:13] <tomreyn> Scoop7: your easiest way (which still involves spending time on learning packaging) to get started is likely with a launchpad account, creating packages to be put in your PPA there.
[10:15] <tomreyn> Github is not well suited for making packages available since you can't (effectively) host an APT repository there. you could still use it to manage the source code and preparing packages.
[10:20] <zas> Hey, is there anyone here owning a qnap nas ? I need to sort out an issue involving such device and i need someone technical enough to conduct few tests.
[10:50] <erry> hi
[10:51] <erry> i'm making a custom live cd (based on zesty) following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch#The%20Host%20System
[10:51] <erry> but it says it failed to load ldlinux.c32 when i boot the iso i make
[10:51] <erry> any ideas?
[11:02] <tomreyn> erry: this suggests a partially broken image. this file is part of syslinux.
[11:02] <tomreyn> not super helpful, but might lead the way https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/192866/live-usb-repeatedly-gives-error-failed-to-load-ldlinux-c32
[11:03] <tomreyn> nowadays, i think you'd prefer grub over syslinux, though
[11:06] <erry> tomreyn: hm, ok, i guess i followed instructions too much ;)
[11:06] <erry> i'll get grub
[11:10] <tomreyn> those instructions seem rather old
[11:11] <tomreyn> note how it discusses /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.*
[11:12] <erry> bah :P
[11:12] <erry> Maybe if i figure it out i'll write new instructions
[11:12] <erry> " last edited 2015-09-11" oh.
[11:14] <tomreyn> there's also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization (but on a quick glance this can be outdated, too)
[11:19] <michael_mbp> hi all, anyone here compiled libethash-cuda against CUDA8?
[11:19] <erry> tomreyn: I tried that first, and I got to a point where it would just get stuck while booting after starting some services :D
[11:19] <michael_mbp> I'm getting a CMake error generating libethash-cuda/CMakeFiles/ethash-cuda.dir//./ethash-cuda_generated_ethash_cuda_miner_kernel.cu.o
[11:20] <michael_mbp> Tried this advice of editing the CMake config, no change https://blog.konpat.me/ethereum-cuda-mining-with-nvidia-docker/
[11:23] <tomreyn> erry: so it got you further than you're getting now ;)
[11:25] <wertasy> hello, i am a chinese, i love linux, i love ubuntu
[11:27] <wertasy> what is ops?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> ops are chat operators or chat admins so to speak
[11:31] <wertasy> i got it, thanks
[11:32] <kuriozalny> good afternoon
[11:35] <jushur> michael_mbp: da.dir//./eth is it suposed to be double slashe there?
[11:40] <michael_mbp> jushur: that's what it says
[11:40] <michael_mbp> I've gone through all google results and now at the pulling hair stage
[11:41] <jushur> michael_mbp: im asking, in a way hinting it looks dubious to me. a typo in the src file? makefile?
[11:41] <michael_mbp> doubt it, others have reported the same error
[11:41] <michael_mbp> fyi that folder doesn't exit either
[11:41] <michael_mbp> and perms are file
[11:42] <michael_mbp> oh ignore that
[11:42] <michael_mbp> it's there
[11:42] <michael_mbp> hang on
[11:42] <jushur> michael_mbp: search the src files for // and if there is only one existence of it, its most likely a typo..
[11:44] <michael_mbp> 2 files exist though
[11:44] <michael_mbp> ethash-cuda_generated_ethash_cuda_miner_kernel.cu.o.cmake and ethash-cuda_generated_ethash_cuda_miner_kernel.cu.o.cmake.depend
[11:44] <michael_mbp> and a bunch of other files in
[11:44] <michael_mbp> ./build/libethash-cuda/CMakeFiles/ethash-cuda.dir/
[11:45] <michael_mbp> so I doubt the //./ is causing an issue
[11:46] <michael_mbp> https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3p47zg/how_to_report_issues_on_genoil_ethminer_branch/
[11:46] <michael_mbp> similar error with the //.
[11:48] <jushur> yes
[11:49] <jushur> michael_mbp: what does your log say about errors before that line?
[11:50] <michael_mbp> one sec I'll gist
[11:51] <jushur> michael_mbp: also id say this is very much offtopic for #ubuntu
[11:51] <michael_mbp> hmm ok
[11:52] <michael_mbp> not sure where else to ask, main linux channel?
[11:52] <michael_mbp> https://gist.github.com/bsodmike/00ad26930eaee1444e93c0852986ff6b
[12:00] <vsd> hi, i installed ubuntu 17.04 alongside win10 with non-UEFI and i
[12:00] <vsd>              restarted but i get a black screen. all the info i can find online
[12:00] <vsd>              refer to a grub problem but in my case i don't even reach grub.
[12:00] <vsd>              any ideas?
[12:01] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset | vsd
[12:01] <vsd> cfhowlett: saw this but isn't this about post grub screen problems?
[12:01] <vsd> i cannot see the grub screen at all
[12:02] <cfhowlett> try it and see is my advice, vsd.
[12:02] <cfhowlett> hey,
[12:02] <cfhowlett> did you get screen during installation?
[12:02] <vsd> no
[12:03] <vsd> installation was ok
[12:03] <vsd> got into unetbootin and then installation
[12:03] <vsd> then restart and black
[12:03] <cfhowlett> suggesting that your  system is capable, but there's a setting or configuration fault.  try the nomodeset
[12:07] <vsd> cfhowlett: where is update-grub located?
[12:07] <cfhowlett> vsd, wait 1
[12:07] <vsd> i am editing grub.conf fromm the livecd
[12:08] <vsd> /etc/default/grub i mean
[12:10] <cfhowlett> vsd, gedit /etc/default/grub
[12:11] <vsd> cfhowlett: did that
[12:11] <vsd> ok did chroot in the partition and did update-grub
[12:11] <vsd> cfhowlett: if that fails what should i try
[12:11] <cfhowlett> no idea, sadly.  but let's try optimism.  reboot that puppy
[12:11] <vsd> i am running this irc session from the livecd and i'm ready for restart , so if you have any other advice say so :)
[12:12] <vsd> cool
[12:12] <vsd> thanks1
[12:12] <vsd> !
[12:12] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[12:13] <senaps> hi, what's the deal with official and unofficial repositories? is it important (for my security) to not have unofficial repository softwares on my ubuntu machine? how would i found them?
[12:14] <cfhowlett> unofficial repos are not recommended.  obviously.
[12:15] <senaps> okay, so how would i find what onofficial repo's i have and what softwares are installed using them? my ppa list is full of launchpad.net's. vivid, wiley, xenial, yakkety and....
[12:15] <cfhowlett> whut!
[12:15] <cfhowlett> !ppapurge
[12:15] <ioria> senaps, why ?
[12:17] <senaps> currently, i don't have stable internet and am not able to update my os, i'm still on ubuntu 16.10, so, but i connect to a poor connection and have some of my chating apps and mail client ... so i just want to be a bit more safe untill i  can upgrade
[12:18] <senaps> and again, i think i have a lot of software from the day i installed ubuntu 9.04 and probebly want to remove them.
[12:18] <cfhowlett> non stable internet?  use torrents to get the latest version and clean install.   mixed sources, ppas and unofficial is begging for trouble
[12:20] <senaps> cfhowlett:  i would do that, but i'm talking about 2-3 kbps insternet access! :) it barely allows me to chat online using any app!
[12:20] <cfhowlett> you were warned ...
[12:21] <senaps> cfhowlett:  the link you just provided, how would i find witch ppa is official and witch is not? i cant identify them. i want to delete all of them and by the time, i am downloading the new version of ubuntu, but don't want to upgrade on this mix off ppa's
[12:21] <kuriozalny> hi, i'm trying to install ubuntu on usb stick, but i got a bit lost
[12:22] <ioria> senaps, there are no official ppa
[12:22] <kuriozalny> am i suppoused to use unetbootin to do that?
[12:22] <cfhowlett> senaps, anything not in your current distro should be removed, i.e. you're on Zesty ( I presume), so purge everything else
[12:22] <senaps> ioria:  so what do we have? official repository? i want only the app's from ubuntu server or one's they approve of.
[12:23] <ioria> senaps, use the ubuntu repos
[12:23] <cfhowlett> kuriozalny, you can use unetbootin
[12:23] <senaps> ioria: okay so i was using the wrong term. so i should just remove anything that is not official ubuntu 16.10 repository? can i get the app's name before removing it?
[12:24] <ioria> senaps, are you using ubuntu from 9.04 ?
[12:25] <senaps> yes i installed 9.04 and have updated from that version upto now that i have 16.10
[12:26] <ioria> senaps, so you should know the drill
[12:27] <cfhowlett> senaps, you are aware that 16.10 support ends next month?  suggest you install LTS ... and stay with that
[12:30] <senaps> so, i have vivid, xenial and trusty. steamlist, heroku list, spotify list. i should remove all of them right?
[12:42] <Ichimusai> If I were you i'd consider a backup-reinstall-restore cycle now. Actually, I have never had a do-dist-upgrade that did not bomb somewhere and leave the system in a weird between state.
[12:43] <kuriozalny> well, i'm back on live cd
[12:43] <compdoc> \o/
[12:43] <kuriozalny> installation didn't go as i planned
[12:45] <cfhowlett> explain?
[12:46] <kuriozalny> perhaps i'll start from the begining
[12:46] <kuriozalny> broken hdd, on live cd now, trying to use usb stick instead of hdd
[12:47] <kuriozalny> used unetbootin to download kubuntu, but bios wont recognise it
[12:47] <kuriozalny> since bios wont recognise it, i cant set up boot priority
[12:48] <cfhowlett> unetbootin to download?  better to torrent it yourself the use md5sum to integrity check
[12:48] <ioria> kuriozalny, and i'd use rufus to create the stick (or dd on linux)
[12:48] <kuriozalny> ioria: dd?
[12:48] <kuriozalny> i've used rufus to create live cd
[12:52] <kuriozalny> directory tree seems to be fine, just can't figure out how to force pc to boot from it
[12:52] <faraco> hi guys, I have a friend using Ubuntu 11.10. He is aware that the version is old but fresh installing or upgrading not an option because of internet issue.
[12:53] <faraco> I just want to know, if it possible to have the latest repository packages (from Xenian for instance) that somehow he can change/
[12:53] <faraco> xenial*
[12:54] <cfhowlett> faraco, nope.  he's needs to do an upgrade.
[12:54] <cfhowlett> torrent the .iso, make a CD or USB, boot and install
[12:55] <faraco> cfhowlett: is there really alternative? I'm thinking on telling him to use the apt list from Debian if getting it from Xenial is not possible.
[12:56] <cfhowlett> he's on 11.10.  xenial is completely not compatible with his system.  plus he has ZERO support, security or protection.  prioritize
[12:57] <fallentree> faraco: apt list from debian on ubuntu 11.10? uhm.... no. :)
[12:58] <faraco> hmm, so if he needs to install anything newer, he needs to do it manually (make install)?
[13:00] <fallentree> make install? like, running a Makefile target?
[13:00] <faraco> I supposed if there is no other option?
[13:02] <fallentree> faraco: if he can get newer sources in order to build them, then surely he can upgrade his system
[13:02] <fallentree> the entire Linux ecosystem is designed to install and update over the network. without the network, you'll need to burn a CD or make an USB stick for offline installation.
[13:03] <fallentree> if that is not possible, then you cannot use a Linux distro.
[13:03] <cfhowlett> faraco, contact the local linux user group.  using an unsupported, unsecured 6 year old OS is criminally irresponsible.
[13:03] <faraco> oh, you mean like personal deb repo. I got it. Alright, at least there is hope to live in that release slightly smoother.
[13:04] <faraco> fallentree: they guy I'm talking about has internet connection, but not enough to download hundreds megabytes of data
[13:05] <Ichimusai> faraco: Do it for him, then burn the disc and mail it.
[13:05] <faraco> which is the reason I'm opt into here, to ask for suggestion. Well, at least I know what works and what not now. Thanks.
[13:06] <fallentree> faraco: he'd need to download the same amount of data if he wanted to "make install" newer software, that was my point.
[13:06] <Ichimusai> Problem with manually compiling from source is that he would not have the right version of the libs etc etc dependency problems would be a nightmare so ... don't
[13:07] <fallentree> Ichimusai: I agree, don't do it, but not for the reason you mentioned. building from source is the primary way to deal with "wrong version of libs"
[13:07] <fallentree> dependency problems are there for binary packages, not for building from source.
[13:09] <Ichimusai> If its a few gens old but that old means likely to start by upgrading gcc itself...
[13:11] <Ichimusai> Many new things would rely of stuff in the kernel not availa lew in 2011... it would be difficult to compile anything advanced to say the least.
[13:15] <Victor83> Hi, guy! May be somebody knows how to disable ctrl + shift + U hotkey?
[13:21] <guest> I am having trouble installing the nvidia driver (nvidia-375 package) on Ubuntu 17.04.  I get the following error: https://pastebin.com/raw/3LjXtLCx
[13:22] <Ichimusai> Victor83: Here are others with same issue and some solutions. https://superuser.com/questions/358749/how-to-disable-ctrlshiftu-in-ubuntu-linux
[13:23] <guest> I don't have any 3rd party graphics repos or the like: https://pastebin.com/raw/6N7xvbfg
[13:24] <guest> Victor83: Go to Language Support on System Settings and change the Keyboard input method system to none
[13:24] <guest> Victor83: Then log out.
[13:29] <Inumedia> Hi, I'm trying to bind an interface to multiple IPs (*.*.*.2/29), pinging .2 works and actively replies, but I can't seem to contact .3 at all. I've confirmed that ip shows the proper netmask on the IP. How should I continue to diagnose this?
[13:34] <Inumedia> Aaaand got it working. Welp. Thanks anyways :D
[13:39] <Victor83> Ichimusai: I have tried all this suggestions and they not have any effect.
[13:40] <Victor83> Relogin now.
[15:24] <CIclops> Hi I have a 2TB disk that has 16.04 installed in a 34GB partition, how do I automatically mount the main partition on boot?
[15:30] <akik> CIclops: you need to add one line to /etc/fstab for it and also create en empty directory = mount point for it
[15:31] <kuriozalny> finally made it
[15:32] <kuriozalny> i mean finally installed kubuntu that boots from usb stick
[15:32] <akik> CIclops: you can get the UUID by running "sudo blkid /dev/sdxn"
[15:35] <akik> CIclops: for example: UUID=adf790e5-ae73-4b32-8d0c-bfcd1a30a6ed / ext4 defaults 0 2
[15:35] <akik> CIclops: that is for the root file system / . change / to the mount point you created
[15:38] <CIclops> akik, thanks
[15:43] <skokkk> hi
[15:43] <dvtkrlbs> hi
[15:43] <skokkk> I need some help please - my NetworkManager L2TP tunnel does not want to get an IPV6 address from the VPN server
[16:03] <ayrus> how to track which application is sending the outgoing packets in Ubuntu Linux. I have seen I'm not consuming the upload speed, the upload packets count is half of the downloaded packets as per router.
[16:17] <kuriozalny> any ideas why music is coming out of pc speakers even though BT spoeaker is connected properly?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> BT speaker
[16:18] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:21] <Ichimusai>  You have to select the output device, it is not enough they are paired and connected you have to direct the sound to the device also
[16:37] <kuriozalny> Ichimusai: would you mind to tell me how to do that?
[16:38] <Ichimusai> kuriozalny: Klick on the speaker icon in the top menu bar, select "sound settings"
[16:39] <Ichimusai> Select "output" tab and then in "play sound through" select correct device.
[16:40] <kuriozalny> Ichimusai: im using kde or whatever DE kubuntu is using
[16:41] <kuriozalny> Ichimusai: i've managed to open sound settings, but BT speaker has already been set to default
[16:42] <Ichimusai> kuriozalny: I don't know much about KDE. Try the kubuntu channel perhaps?
[16:44] <kuriozalny> Ichimusai: back in the days everything was easier, alsamixer did the trick i guess..
[16:45] <Ichimusai> Check with the kubuntu guys, this is the support channel for ubuntu, they will likely know.
[16:50] <kuriozalny> Ichimusai: luckily i've managed to make the speaker play
[16:50] <tgm4883> kuriozalny: install pavucontrol and you can select what device is being used
[16:51] <kuriozalny> after all these years on windows i've forgotten there's something called configuration
[16:52] <kuriozalny> tgm4883: i guess i'll give it a try
[16:53] <kuriozalny> tgm4883: thanks
[16:53] <kuriozalny> anyway, what's the default desktop environment for ubuntu now?
[16:54] <mutsy> Hi there. I am having a decent amount of screen freezes in Ubuntu... does someone know what to do about this? Since when googling around, people say: use ctrl + alt + F1 or w/e but even that I can't do... I can't do ANY thing. Anyone here can help me out? Since this is really annoying...
[16:55] <tgm4883> mutsy: do your keyboard lights blink when this happens?
[16:55] <tgm4883> kuriozalny: Gnome shell
[16:57] <mutsy> tgm4883: uhh.. no not really
[16:58] <mutsy> tgm4883: screen just get's stuck and I can't do any thing
[16:58] <xrandr> hello. I am trying to delete some of the boot menu options in my computer (when I hit F11 it shows a list of them). I tried ufibootmgr and it outputs "EFI variables are not supported by this system"
[16:59] <xrandr> any thoughts?
[17:00] <kuriozalny> mutsy: are you asked for login creditentials on tty1?
[17:01] <kuriozalny> mutsy: i mean, are you able to interact at tty1?
[17:04] <thewillo> xrandr, uninstall the specific things you want to remove, such as old linux kernel versions and their associated packages, and other OS's reformat or delete the partition or otherwise get rid of it, then use update-grub command
[17:05] <Disaster_Area> eugh Channel 4's website requires the use of adobe f***ing flash player... does anyone know a way to watch the formula 1 online which doesn't require using adobe flash player?
[17:05] <xrandr> thewillow. thanks
[17:05] <xrandr> gonna reboot and see what happens
[17:05] <thewillo> :D
[17:06] <tgm4883> Disaster_Area: chrome perhaps?
[17:07] <Disaster_Area> hmm good idea tho I don't have that vile browser downloaded ...
[17:07] <tgm4883> so download it?
[17:11] <jhutchins> kuriozalny: You may need to turn off the pc speaker output.
[17:13] <mutsy> kuriozalny: nope... once again; I can't do anything...
[17:13] <mutsy> kuriozalny: and I want to know why this problem occurs.
[17:14] <Disaster_Area> I downloaded chromium...
[17:14] <Disaster_Area> it needs flash player anyway lmao
[17:14] <Disaster_Area> imma uninstall that
[17:14] <tgm4883> Disaster_Area: chromium isn't chrome
[17:14] <Disaster_Area> I also tried installing firefox's flash player, and it's just stalling
[17:14] <Disaster_Area> oh
[17:14] <Disaster_Area> i don't see chrome in the software store tho
[17:15] <tgm4883> Disaster_Area: you'd have to go to google and download the deb from there
[17:33] <cuddylier> I'm getting 'UDP: bad checksum.' errors in my syslog and the IP it shows the traffic is to goes unresponsive on everything apart from ICMP.
[17:33] <cuddylier> Any idea on how I can fix this? Iptables seems to have no affect.
[17:54] <m5w> Hello. I'm on 16.04. I have a custom locale that I'm calling en_AA (for 24-hour time), and it appears when I do locale -a. My /etc/default/locale is set to LANG=en_AA.UTF-8, but when I type locale, I see en_US.UTF-8 for everything except LC_TIME, which is C, and LANGUAGE and LC_ALL, which are nothing.
[17:54] <m5w> in fact, when I edit the file and the re-log, all the locales are en_AA.UTF-8
[17:54] <m5w> but after I reboot, everything goes back to disobeying /etc/default/locale
[17:59] <m5w> However, localectl says "System Locale: LANG=en_AA.UTF-8"
[18:00] <m5w> so localectl seems to have it right
[18:00] <m5w> but locale doesn't
[18:04] <jhutchins> cuddylier: Check syslog and dmesg, see what errors are reported there.
[18:04] <jhutchins> cuddylier: Dmsg, since you've already checked syslog.
[18:04] <cuddylier> I got those errors from the syslog, that's all was shown.
[18:04] <cuddylier> will do
[18:05] <jhutchins> cuddylier: You're more likely to see hardware specific errors there, although this sounds like it might be an actual hardware problem (cable, port, card).
[18:07] <Bischoop> Hi
[18:10] <impie> I plugged in a new hard drive, how do I know which /dev/sda it is?
[18:12] <akik> impie: it'll be shown at the end of dmesg
[18:18] <impie> akik, I plugged it in when the computer was off
[18:20] <akik> impie: oh ok :) use lsblk to see what disks you have
[18:20] <ber532k> impie: If your device has a label you could use `/dev/disk/by-label/XYZ` to address it
[18:22] <impie> ber532k, thanks
[18:23] <impie> akik, thanks
[18:23] <impie> ber532k, /dev/disk/by-label': No such file or directory
[18:24] <ber532k> strange
[18:24] <m5w> I'm going to try rebooting with /etc/default/locale explicitly setting LC_TIME=en_AA.UTF-8
[18:24] <m5w> I figure LANG=en_AA.UTF-8 would be enough...
[18:24] <ber532k> impie: is that /dev/disk/by-label or /dev/disk/by-label'
[18:25] <impie> ls: cannot access '/dev/disk/by-label': No such file or directory
[18:25] <ber532k> Is there /dev/disk/by-uuid ?
[18:26] <impie> yeah
[18:26] <ber532k> well, in that case it seems your kernel doesn't provide by-label addressing
[18:27] <ber532k> you could still use uuid, which is persistent accross reboots and filesystem-specific
[18:29] <m5w> Okay, so now the output from locale is a little peculiar:
[18:29] <m5w> as before, LANGUAGE= AND LC_ALL=
[18:30] <m5w> LANG=en_AA.UTF-8
[18:30] <m5w> so, that's an improvement
[18:30] <m5w> but what's odd, is that all the other LC_* are e.g. LC_CTYPE="en_AA.UTF-8"
[18:31] <m5w> but LC_TIME=en_AA.UTF-8
[18:31] <m5w> note the lack of quotes
[18:31] <m5w> What I'm trying to do is get sddm to use 24-hour time
[18:31] <m5w> I'm not sure if tweaking the locale is the right way to do that
[18:32] <m5w> You'd think such a simple tweak would be easier...
[18:33] <Scoop7> echo "alias login:user='sshpass -p aaa;bcd1 ssh user@host.com -p 888'" >> ~/.bash_aliases && source ~/.bash_aliases"  - My command seem to break when I try to access it via the alias the ;   symbol seems to be the problem that cuts the quote. Any suggestions how to avoid that? All the original data/info was changed ;)
[18:33] <dag__> I am not able to connect to ping to an ubuntu box from a centos box
[18:33] <dag__> what can be wrong
[18:33] <dag__> how to fix
[18:34] <max12345> ok so after some troubles with nomodeset and noapci or something (it's an *old* machine) it said, "setup complete restart now?", i pressed restart and it hung itself up
[18:34] <max12345> I thought no matter and restarted
[18:34] <max12345> but now it doesn't progress from the first boot screen
[18:35] <max12345> oh nvm seems to work now?... holding my breath :D
[18:36] <m5w> Scoop7, you could use a function
[18:37] <m5w> e.g.:
[18:37] <m5w> login:user() {
[18:37] <m5w> sshpass -p ...
[18:37] <m5w> ssh ...
[18:37] <m5w> }
[18:37] <m5w> put that in your .bash_aliases
[18:37] <m5w> no need for semicolons at the end of the lines
[18:40] <Scoop7> the semicolon is part of the password
[18:41] <Scoop7> m5w but I understood your idea - will try it out
[18:42] <m5w> oh
[18:42] <m5w> Scoop7, then you need to escape it
[18:42] <m5w> e.g. \;
[18:42] <m5w> if you've ever used the -exec option of find before, it's like that
[18:43] <m5w> where you have to terminate the -exec option with a semi-colon, but the semi-colon normally terminates a command
[18:43] <Comnenus> is it possible using the webupd8/java ppa to install a specific (older) version of java?
[18:43] <max12345> I still have two issues, the laptop doesn't show the battery status (it shows it's connected to an outlet when it's not) and I don't have wifi...
[18:44] <max12345> I already found some old threads discussing those but if you could help me with that, that would be great :)
[18:44] <max12345> since they're old and cryptic :P
[18:45] <edwinksl> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5600U CPU @ 2.60GHz (2.00GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.2 GiB Total (3.9 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (1.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 145.2 GB / 520.6 GB (375.3 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 @ Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Host Bridge -OPI • Uptime: 3d 5h 14m 18s
[18:51] <m5w> Scoop7, e.g. "alias login:user='echo foo\;bar; echo baz'"
[18:53] <Scoop7> m5w yeah, sorry was afk for some time, I was also suggested to create a ssh config file and reference  the password and other info there
[18:55] <max12345> aha
[18:55] <max12345> i found the wifi troubleshooting guide
[18:55] <max12345> the good news
[18:55] <max12345> there is a driver, the bad news is that the last guy to try it and document it did so in 2009
[18:55] <max12345> :D
[18:58] <akik> max12345: which wifi chip do you have?
[18:58] <max12345> broadcom_BCM4306
[18:59] <Bashing-om> !bcm | max12345
[18:59] <akik> max12345: read this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[18:59] <akik> heh
[18:59] <Scoop7> after editing the aliases it seems they haven't changed anyone have a clue why is this? m5w ?
[18:59] <max12345> akik: I absolutely will, thank you!
[19:01] <Bashing-om> Scoop7: Did you "source" the config file or reboot the box for the change to take effect ?
[19:01] <jhutchins> 33
[19:01] <jhutchins> 3
[19:01] <Scoop7> haven't rebooted
[19:01] <Scoop7> how to source the config file ?
[19:01] <max12345> any idea why the battery isn't showing as a battery though?^^
[19:02] <Bashing-om> Scoop7: Depends on where you added the aliases .
[19:02] <Scoop7> we are currently talking about .bash_aliases  file  which is located in the home dir
[19:03] <Scoop7> I have edited it but no effect - the old one aliases are showing up - even if I delete all the file contents and save
[19:03] <akik> Scoop7: did you open a new shell?
[19:03] <akik> Scoop7: i'd say that alias file is read by all new shells
[19:03] <Scoop7> new terminal? no
[19:03] <Scoop7> will try
[19:03] <jhutchins> Scoop7: You can just source .bash_aliases, or open a new shell(log out and log in)
[19:04] <jhutchins> Actually, you can just log in.
[19:04] <akik> jhutchins: you don't need to login, just open a new shell
[19:04] <Scoop7> reopening the terminal worked
[19:04] <Scoop7> thanks !
[19:06] <jhutchins> akik: Right, just run bash.
[19:10] <Scoop7> "\'" doesn't seem to work I don't get any error in the Terminal but it doesn't connect to the VPS i think the \ is being enterpretated as part of the pw
[19:10] <Scoop7> "\;"*
[19:10] <akik> Scoop7: have you thought of using ssh keys?
[19:11] <Scoop7> will try the ssh config file reference if it fails then will resort to that...
[19:16] <khronosschoty> I tried boot ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso on dell 15 5565 and it freezes unless do amd_iommu=off and then the desktop freezes randomly after a bit once it does boot up in the desktop
[19:17] <supremum> If x is not 0, then version requirements  ^x  ^x.0  ^x.0.0  are equivalent?
[19:18] <tomreyn> khronosschoty: install microcode (via softwar updates + extra drivers GUI), if this + reboot does not help, look for a firmware (uefi / bios) upgrade
[19:18] <ppf> can i log dhcpv6 leases?
[19:18] <niv> hi. im having issues with a newly set up server.  after installing a few packages, apt stops to resolve hostnames.  dns however is set up correctly and works with all other software (including inside new docker containers), it is *only* apt-get that fails to resolve names. what broke? how does apt try to resolve names?
[19:19] <tomreyn> supremum: are you referring to debian packages from ubuntu's official apt repositories?
[19:19] <supremum> wrong channel :D
[19:19] <khronosschoty> okay tomreyn I'll try that, ty.
[19:20] <tomreyn> good luck
[19:22] <tomreyn> niv: i would very much bet it uses the libc resolver
[19:22] <niv> tomreyn: that's what i thought too, but apt fails to resolve any repo name when doing apt-get update. trying to ping the very same name resolves it correctly
[19:23] <tomreyn> ppf: aren't they logged by default?
[19:23] <tomreyn> niv: try with systemd-resolve
[19:23] <tomreyn> niv: -4 and -6
[19:24] <niv> uhhh.  security.ubuntu.com: resolve call failed: Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.resolve1': timed out .. what?
[19:24] <ppf> tomreyn: logged to where?
[19:25] <ppf> syslog says "dhclient[4975]: PRC: Rebinding lease on wlp4s0."
[19:25] <ppf> but no details on the lease
[19:25] <ppf> e.g., origin, renewal interval
[19:26] <max12345> #ubuntu has given max12345 access to wifi, max12345 is freeee :D thanks!
[19:27] <tomreyn> ppf: so you want more logs, then reconfigure dhcp-client byx editing its configuration file and restarting the4 network connection
[19:29] <ppf> tomreyn: is the loglevel of dhclient configurable?
[19:29] <ppf> i don't see it in the manpage
[19:32] <tomreyn> ppf: hmm, me neither, sorry. i guess you'll need to tcpdump then
[19:33] <tomreyn> there's some way to run dhcp-client in the foreground / manually, also, maybe this would also help
[19:33] <tomreyn> and yes, it logs to syslog
[19:35] <tomreyn> ppf: if you're on 16.04 you should have a file /etc/dhcp/debug with useful notes on top
[19:36] <ppf> tomreyn: you're right, running it manually gives me what i'm looking for
[19:36] <ppf> the router is advertising a max lifetime of 60 ...
[19:36] <ppf> wtf
[19:44] <tomreyn> better too short than too long! ;)
[19:44] <dag__> Hi i am mounting a device to a dir,there is 2 storage devices now,how can i find which file i am storing where?
[19:44] <tomreyn> this one is *very* short, though ;)
[19:45] <ppf> tomreyn: preferred lifetime is 30s
[19:46] <ppf> means that dhclient renews the lease every 15s ...
[19:46] <ppf> seriously, wtf, technicolor ...
[19:46] <tomreyn> ppf: yes that's pretty short
[19:47] <tomreyn> dag__: use the 'mount' command to understand what is mounted where
[19:47] <tomreyn> "df -h" may also help
[19:48] <ppf> this is so broken... it let's me configure v6 dns servers in the ui. if i do so, it will still send out the default servers in the router advertisements
[19:48] <ppf> but will offer the configured ones with dhcpv6
[19:48] <ppf> M(
[19:49] <ppf> they probably tested this only with windows ... no rdnss on windows -> it'll fall back to dhcp automatically
[19:50] <tomreyn> when i grew up, technicolor was known for producing mediocre TVs. apparently they have since extended their product range to mediocre cable modems.
[19:53] <khronosschoty> I can't seem to install lm_sensors
[19:53] <khronosschoty> I enabled universe
[19:53] <tomreyn> khronosschoty: what happens when you try?
[19:54] <ppf> tomreyn: yeah ... looks like it's time to get an openwrt box
[19:54] <khronosschoty> Unable to locate package
[19:54] <tomreyn> khronosschoty: because it's named differently. package names can't have underscores, so that's a hyphon
[19:54] <khronosschoty> Ahh
[19:54] <ppf> quick intermission: how do i best persist an xinput setting?
[19:55] <max12345> ok so battery has something to do with acpi?
[19:55] <tomreyn> ppf: i'd say ~/.xinitrc - but don't blame me if it wont work. ;)
[19:55] <max12345> is it possible that the laptop is older than what they built that on?
[19:56] <max12345> :
[19:56] <khronosschoty> Meh same problem on Ubuntu I have on slack temps not reported
[19:56] <khronosschoty> Why!? Lol
[19:57] <ppf> tomreyn: putting the command in an autostart script seems so ... hackish, though? aren't the options really not read from a configuration?
[19:58] <tomreyn> khronosschoty: run "sudo sensors-detect --auto" and read what it says in the end.
[19:58] <khronosschoty> Linux is hackish
[19:58] <ppf> khronosschoty: lol
[19:58] <khronosschoty> Says no sensors detected
[19:59] <tomreyn> ppf: i would guess you could put it into /etc/X11/xorg.conf - but then the file won't be fully auto-generated anymore (in case it currently is).
[19:59] <ppf> then your chipset drivers don't offer workable sensors
[19:59] <khronosschoty> Common for laptops handled by acpi
[19:59] <khronosschoty> Ahh how lame
[19:59] <ppf> tomreyn: not sure what you mean by autogenerated
[19:59] <khronosschoty> Serious?
[20:00] <tomreyn> khronosschoty: you could try a newer kernel, or a newer sensors-detect, or both. or buy hardware where the vendor ensures it is well supported on linux.
[20:00] <khronosschoty> Just plain no workable sensors
[20:00] <ppf> khronosschoty: spill some details: what hardware, what kernel?
[20:00] <khronosschoty> They claimed it was fully supported in this version of Ubuntu
[20:01] <tomreyn> ppf: by default (new installation) xorg.conf is automatically generated (in mmeory) during X initialization, every time X starts up.
[20:01] <ppf> khronosschoty: who's "they"? i'm guessing they mean for some specific values of "support"
[20:01] <khronosschoty> Dell
[20:02] <ppf> tomreyn: well, yeah, X config is autodetected, but I can override selected settings, can i not?
[20:02] <tomreyn> ppf: yes i think you can do this.
[20:03] <khronosschoty> Lame temps show in uefi bios menu
[20:03] <khronosschoty> Just not in os
[20:04] <Scoop7> .ssh/id_rsa_buhlServer: No such file or directory
[20:04] <Scoop7> .ssh/gitHubKey: No such file or directory
[20:05] <Scoop7> I am trying to ssh to my server, how to get any of these keys ?
[20:05] <tomreyn> Scoop7: ?
[20:05] <tomreyn> you are probably supposed to have generated them.
[20:05] <tomreyn> which command outputs this message?
[20:06] <Scoop7> ssh myAlias
[20:06] <Scoop7> i mean my config name for .ssh/config
[20:06] <khronosschoty> Kk thanks for help
[20:06] <Scoop7> which consists of host name and port
[20:08] <tomreyn> Scoop7: so myAlias is configured in ~/.ssh/config somewhere below "Host myAlias"? and below that you'll have "IdentityFile .ssh/id_rsa_buhlServer" and "IdentityFile .ssh/gitHubKey" which supposedly do not exist (or not at these locations).
[20:08] <khronosschoty> Reboot back into Slackware
[20:08] <max12345> hm I'll tackle this again tomorrow
[20:08] <tomreyn> khronosschoty: if you're pointing out that you were looking for more help, then you won't get any unless you actually provide details-
[20:08] <Scoop7> tomreyn that is correct those file doesn't exist I just referenced them following a stackoverflow answer...
[20:09] <tomreyn> Scoop7: why you have it configured this way or why the keys (no longer?) exist, we could only guess. you should know.
[20:09] <tomreyn> i see
[20:09] <tomreyn> well, copy + paste form the internet is not always a good idea
[20:10] <Scoop7> yeah, but I understand I am only 1 puzzle away from my goal
[20:10] <tomreyn> someone might make fun of you, making you delete your system or make it unbootable or destroy your hardware.
[20:10] <Scoop7> i need to generate/get those(or one) keys ?
[20:10] <Scoop7> I am not that "smart" lol
[20:10] <tomreyn> Scoop7: have you every successfully connected to that remote server using ssh?
[20:11] <Scoop7> yes hundred of times
[20:11] <tomreyn> Scoop7: okay so you have a means of authenticating to it. now what made you edit ~/.ssh/config
[20:12] <tomreyn> what's ther goal you are trying to achieve?
[20:12] <Scoop7> but I got sick of writing/pasting the code/host  , typing the username over and over and created aliases, but for one of the servers it didn't worked, because it had semicolon it it's password which broke the command. Tried escaping it with \ but with no luck, no I am trying .ssh/config and keyrings ...
[20:13] <Scoop7> trying to log in to my server with keyrings for the first time so it's a bit of a grey area for me...
[20:17] <tomreyn> Scoop7: so the overall process si this: (a) you create an SSH key pair on your (ideally more or less hardened / secured) workstation / desktop. (b) you copy the public key (only, not the secret / private one) to the server where oyu later want to login using this key. on the server you store the file in / append to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (c) you ssh to the server using the private key file: ssh -i ~/.ssh/myprivatekey myserver
[20:17] <tomreyn> Scoop7: once you go this working you can edit ~/.ssh/config and make these options permanent. but for now, i'd just remove those options off the file / not use the alias.
[20:19] <tomreyn> Scoop7: login to the server on another temrinal using password authentication and then run "sudo tail -f /var/log/auth.log" on the server to know what's going wrong if the key based authentication fails (once you're ready to try that).
[20:20] <Scoop7> ok sounds more/less understandable... now for the process of creating the key pair ? I should execute a command to create the key pair or... ? tomreyn ?
[20:21] <tomreyn> Scoop7: which operating systems and versions are running on the server and your cleint / desktop / workstation?
[20:22] <Scoop7> mine is ubuntu 16.04 and the vps is centOS i guess
[20:22] <tomreyn> "lsb_release -d" should tell
[20:23] <ppf> Scoop7: cat /etc/*-release
[20:24] <tomreyn> that also works
[20:24] <ppf> tomreyn: the advantage is that it works on basicly all distros :)
[20:24] <Scoop7> CentOS release 6.9 (Final)
[20:24] <tomreyn> Scoop7: in case you have a choice what to have running on the server / VPS (and can just start from scratch), i'd suggest you start with ubuntu.
[20:24] <ppf> centos e.g. doesn't have lsb_release
[20:24] <tomreyn> ppf: lsb_release does not?
[20:25] <Scoop7> tomreyn lsb_release -d resulted in command not found btw
[20:25] <tomreyn> doh, ok
[20:26] <ppf> tomreyn: probably, but only if it's installed, which it isn't necessarily
[20:26] <tomreyn> okay it's not installed on centos by default.
[20:26] <Scoop7> https://thepasteb.in/p/P1hvV7jQlwzul
[20:26] <tomreyn> so centos / redhat is not LSB compliant be default, i wasn't aware.
[20:27] <ppf> it is, just the tool isn't installed by default
[20:28] <Scoop7> anyways... back to key pair creation, how to create it... ?
[20:28] <ppf> ssh-keygen
[20:29] <Scoop7> ssh-keygen -t rsa -C "your_email@example.com"   <--- maybe ?
[20:30] <ppf> sure
[20:31] <tomreyn> it's not really related to an e-mail address, and you might want something other than RSA, and possibly a longer key length than the default.
[20:31] <tomreyn> but it should be ok that way.
[20:35] <Scoop7> Enter file in which to save the key (/home/userName/.ssh/id_rsa):
[20:35] <Scoop7> press enter or :?
[20:36] <tomreyn> are you sure you are ready to manage a server?
[20:36] <tomreyn> please do not alow people to store sensible data on it, such as personal e-mails etc.
[20:36] <tomreyn> (and yes, just press enter.)
[20:37] <tomreyn> if you'r ejust trying out how this stuff works and are trying to get a grip, that's fine.
[20:38] <Scoop7> don't let my simple q fool you I have good knowledge in other web dev field/scope
[20:40] <ppf> Scoop7: doesn't say anything about your capabilities as a system administrator
[20:41] <Scoop7> I use a framework that doesn't allow to store not encrypted passwords, so don't worry:))
[20:42] <Scoop7> by default ofc.
[20:44] <tomreyn> if you're referring to cpanel there. that and lack of basic sysadmin skills is a recipe for user data disasters, happening on a daily basis.
[20:45] <Scoop7> i am referring laravel
[20:45] <tomreyn> a php framework, not related to your system administration skills.
[20:46] <Scoop7> but yet it forbids to store not encrypted  passwords to DB
[20:46] <flufftr0n> is anyone familiar with the issue where a new ubuntu 16 install will give a false security warning on 99% of websites and also not alow pinging except to home address w ssh also not working? i did a sudo update and upgrade followed by another update but ive never had an ubuntu install go so poorly
[20:46] <tomreyn> Scoop7: how does this help when someone can easily brute force your root password and ssh into your system and copy the database?
[20:47] <tomreyn> Scoop7: (or any other user data not in the DB)
[20:48] <bekks> flufftr0n: which Ubuntu 16 - 16.04 or 16.10?
[20:48] <tomreyn> flufftr0n: and ssh and ping from where to where? into this system or out of it?
[20:49] <Scoop7> tomreyn: only a couple of ip's are allowed to access the DB.
[20:49] <flufftr0n> 16.04
[20:49] <flufftr0n> i cant ssh to outside
[20:49] <flufftr0n> i am connected to the internet
[20:50] <flufftr0n> yeah i can access google and yahoo and a few other sites
[20:51] <ppf> firewalled off?
[20:51] <flufftr0n> i can only ping locally
[20:51] <ppf> how do you know it's a "false" security warning?
[20:51] <flufftr0n> because they are sites that shouldnt be giving security warnings
[20:51] <tomreyn> Scoop7: this discussion is off-topic here so i wont drive it further, but please reconsider running this system alone if you'll store actual user / personal data on it. everything you say indicates you ar enot ready for it. (i do not doubt that you are a professional php developer, it's just not the same area of work.)
[20:51] <flufftr0n> like .gov
[20:52] <Scoop7> tomreyn: Oh right and the VPS is fully managed by pros(that comes with a higher price) I am not pretending to be a system administrator...  But as far as security goes I think everything is maintained, also I think there is autoblock/ban after several attempts and a CDN(cloudflare) is being used
[20:52] <ppf> there's obviously something wrong on your network/uplink
[20:54] <flufftr0n> any ideas what i should try?
[20:54] <ppf> what kind of network are you on?
[20:54] <flufftr0n> wireless
[20:54] <CarlFK> flufftr0n: sounds like something is trying to proxy your traffic.  like your ISP may want to see what sites you are visiting.
[20:54] <flufftr0n> was about to try bypassing but no AC downstairs
[20:54] <CarlFK> or someone is trying to sniff your passwrds
[20:54] <flufftr0n> oh fucking comcrap
[20:54] <flufftr0n> hmm
[20:55] <Scoop7> ok we can close the topic, but the data: emails/passwords etc are stored in terms oh hundreds for now on one of the web app. tomreyn
[20:55] <CarlFK> comcast may want to, but I doubt they would try to decrypt - that's crossing a few lines, one of which would cause their support lines to be flooded
[20:56] <flufftr0n> hm
[20:57] <tomreyn> Scoop7: i'm sure you will act responsibly. good luck.
[20:57] <flufftr0n> perhaps i should bring this machine to another network and see what happens
[20:59] <flufftr0n> so you don't think it is the install?
[21:00] <akik> flufftr0n: check that your date and time is correct
[21:01] <flufftr0n> it is correct on this partition bu on the windows machine went 4 hours ahead after i installed this
[21:04] <akik> flufftr0n: did you run the updates succesfully and then it stopped working?
[21:05] <flufftr0n> no it never worked; i reinstalled completely, this time i deslected "install updates with main install"
[21:05] <flufftr0n> did everything by hand after, then upgraded, then updated again
[21:05] <flufftr0n> same problem
[21:06] <flufftr0n> i can sudo, can obviously use irc, cant ping outside 127 cant access 99.9 pct of websites cant ssh
[21:06] <akik> flufftr0n: but you said that you updated again, so did you get the updates from internet?
[21:06] <flufftr0n> yeah i can update
[21:06] <flufftr0n> this is a weird problem
[21:08] <akik> flufftr0n: try downloading web pages in a terminal with curl
[21:09] <akik> flufftr0n: that way you could maybe get better info about the problem
[21:10] <akik> flufftr0n: for example: curl ip4.me
[21:10] <flufftr0n> google i get a ton of spam
[21:10] <m4dh4tt4> flufftr0n what browser are you using
[21:10] <flufftr0n> for the site u gave me plus another i tried (7) couldnt connect to server
[21:11] <flufftr0n> firefox and chrome both give the scecurity exception
[21:11] <m4dh4tt4> cuz i know chromium has issues with that, i'd try changing DNS servers tbh, changes the whole game sometimes
[21:11] <m4dh4tt4> even google's DNS servers were known to have issues recently
[21:12] <hipp> flufftr0n: is your clock set correctly?
[21:12] <m4dh4tt4>  /\
[21:13] <flufftr0n> define set correctly
[21:13] <hipp> does it show correct date and time?
[21:13] <flufftr0n> yes
[21:16] <flufftr0n> so i changed ipv4 and ipv6 to addresses only
[21:17] <Scoop7> tomreyn: Just managed to establish a ssh connection to my vps ussing key pair + passphrase . Thanks :)
[21:27] <xebra> hi, trying to install ubuntu with manual partitioning ("something else" option), and after creating the encrypted partitions I'm asked to "go back and create a boot partition". I don't understand if I should actually create yet another partition and mount it to /boot, or if I should use the EFI partition for that
[21:30] <akik> xebra: the efi system partition is fat32 but you need a linux native file system for /boot
[21:42] <xebra> akik, so basically for a typical minimal install of ubuntu with full disk encryption you need 4 partitions: swap, root, boot (unencrypted), and EFI
[21:45] <owen1_> is there a pdf reader that have automatic page transition?
[21:46] <akik> xebra: ubuntu is moving away from swap partitions to swap files
[21:47] <akik> i can't understand the change but it's change
[21:52] <thewillo> What is the difference from a performance perspecitve between swap files and swap partitions?
[21:53] <akik> thewillo: performance is worse for swap files
[21:53] <akik> there is some new method for memory management zram
[21:54] <akik> not sure about the reasons for the change
[21:57] <shiroininja> A modern computer, unless you're doing crazy shit doesn't need swap
[21:58] <thewillo> if by crazy shit you mean compiling large programs or heavy multi-tasking, then that's true
[21:58] <shiroininja> When are you going to ever go over 8gb-16gb-32gb ram?
[21:58] <thewillo> but an entry level pc is not very rich on the ram
[21:58] <thewillo> I use 20+gb sometimes
[21:59] <shiroininja> are you in development?
[21:59] <thewillo> compiling stuff, virtual machines, tons and tons of firefox tabs/windows... lots of stuff can do it
[21:59] <thewillo> yes
[21:59] <shiroininja> I could see that in a proffessional area
[22:00] <shiroininja> I've just never gone that high in linux in my home use, even with gaming, web browsing, etc.
[22:00] <thewillo> But, for everyday normal use you don't need swap unless you have a really low end budget pc
[22:00] <thewillo> like, my mom's laptop has 2gb ram... It went into swap often, and it's modern, just very very low end
[22:00] <thewillo> It's a < 150usd computer
[22:01] <shiroininja> Windows maybe lol. w10 idles at a couple gigs for me. But linux I idle at 4-5mb with mint. and around 300mb in arch
[22:01] <shiroininja> and I rarely use over 5gb
[22:02] <thewillo> shiroininja, if windows is idling at a couple gb you haven't tweaked it hard enough, or you require every feature/service it has installed
[22:02] <thewillo> but ubuntu with unity was going into swap with 2gb on her computer
[22:03] <shiroininja> thewillo: I don't tweak it honestly. I only use it when I feel like playing a windows only game. I use it for nothing else since I upgraded. I just prefer linux anymore.
[22:04] <thewillo> I use it on a very low end netbook, which I use to run cravetv and netflix windows store apps and also to watch videos in vlc. it runs in 1100mb ram when it starts up(after all the initialization is finished, uses more during the init part)
[22:04] <shiroininja> thewillo: I honestly turn off auto updates , change active hours and turn off windows defender, and that's about it. luckily they
[22:05] <shiroininja> gave me pro for free, so those settings stick
[22:06] <thewillo> Windows 10 is cool it has nice features that I would like to see in linux, or would like to see made comparable in linux for the ones it sort of kinda of offers support for
[22:06] <thewillo> like, I would like to see rendering single windows on your discrete gpu, and displaying it on your integrated graphics, in linux kernel, and/or with better usability and ease of use
[22:07] <shiroininja> I was really impress when I first installed it. It actually looks good, and I feel they borrowed some aesthetics from linux, like proper composting and cleaner file manager
[22:07] <thewillo> right now to do that in ubuntu is a mess, but it can be done
[22:07] <thewillo> also, not coded very well from the bits i read
[22:08] <thewillo> I might at some point do do it myself, but I've got other things on the go right now and I don't care that much about it
[22:11] <shiroininja> I feel kinda dirty saying this, but I've never tried ubuntu. Ive tried a ton of distros from Mint and Arch to weird things like Zenwalk, but have yet to try ubuntu. I might try it when they release the next LTS with gnome
[22:12] <fl00fykittry> hi
[22:12] <shiroininja> hi
[22:12] <fl00fykittry> wow i just do not have it together technically today at all
[22:13] <fl00fykittry> i solved the problem by bypassing the router; i have as far as i can tell a functional install
[22:13] <fl00fykittry> wireless, i cant ssh, ping or visit 99.9 pct of websties
[22:16] <fl00fykittry> i wa si nhere earlier
[22:16] <fl00fykittry> i also screwed up with nickserv and idenfity
[22:16] <fl00fykittry> my mojo is not working atm
[22:36] <ZSky> Hi!
[22:36] <ZSky> How to know what is rotating my apache other_vhosts_access logs ?
[22:49] <enedil> when fsck says
[22:49] <enedil> Error reading block 525122 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while getting next inode from scan.
[22:50] <enedil> does it mean I have damaged hard drive?
[22:50] <m4dh4tt4> anyone know if the built-in zoom in unity is portable to other display types?
[22:50] <m4dh4tt4> aka non-unity
[22:51] <glitsj16> ZSky: something under /etc/logrotate.d?
[22:51] <m4dh4tt4> enedil ikts not a good sign , do u have a second drive u could try to prove its faulty?
[22:52] <enedil> m4dh4tt4: what do you mean?
[22:53] <enedil> how do I use a decond drive to prove faultlessness
[22:54] <enedil> or faultiness
[22:55] <Bashing-om> enedil: Maybe sparing off the super block worth a try : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2177756 .
[22:56] <enedil> Bashing-om: I don't have damaged superblock
[22:56] <enedil> I can mount the partition, but reading from it produces errors
[22:57] <m4dh4tt4> enedil , try cloning to a second drive
[22:57] <glitsj16> m4dh4tt4: built-in zoom in unity is probably compiz, so anything that runs with that will have it (if configured to use it).. which won't be much these days
[22:57] <enedil> m4dh4tt4: I don't care about data, I care about the drive itself
[22:57] <enedil> it's my only one right now
[22:58] <enedil> I'm on xubuntu livecd now
[22:58] <Bashing-om> enedil: " short read " . -> partition table -> super block . Won't hurt to try .
[22:58] <owen1_> is there a pdf reader that have automatic page transition?
[23:02] <gnubie> enedil> most drive manufactuers have ways to test their drives. an internet search for your manufactuars test should find it.
[23:04] <glitsj16> owen1_: you mean a pdf reader that does page transitions on scrolling down/up? If so, most do by default no?
[23:07] <enedil> gnubie: are you aware they are made for Windows only?
[23:08] <gnubie> enedil> the test I have used were burned to a cd/usb and booted intoo. Nothing to do with OS.
[23:08] <bumblefuzz> I'm playing 1080 video in vlc on my NUC and it looks like shit...anyone know how to fix this?
[23:08] <enedil> gnubie: I've got toshiba, which recommends fancy gui tool with beautiful window borders
[23:09] <gnubie> enedil> bummer
[23:15] <bumblefuzz> anyone?
[23:18] <kenrin> Install the video drivers and supporting packages for decoding video
[23:19] <bumblefuzz> supporting packages?
[23:19] <bumblefuzz> I installed the drivers
[23:20] <oerheks> tons of forumposts about that, look for SNA in xorg.conf and tearfree
[23:20] <oerheks> and mpv might be a better player than vlc
[23:20] <bumblefuzz> I tried playing on mplayer and couldn't
[23:20] <kenrin> Yeah supporting packages,  to decode the video using the GPU instead of CPU
[23:20] <bumblefuzz> it's an avi file
[23:22] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/752743/ubuntu-16-04-skylake-6th-generation-screen-flickering
[23:22] <oerheks> an avi file does not say anything
[23:24] <owen1_> glitsj16: i want my slides to move every x seconds without me controling them
[23:24] <owen1_> i am going to presenting in 'Ignite' style
[23:26] <kenrin> You could program or script that easily
[23:30] <glitsj16> owen1_: have you looked at 'impressive' yet? that's in the ubuntu repo's..
[23:31] <kenrin> I'm having a hard time finding a pdf reader that doesn't have the autoscroll feature.  Even the default ones like Evince does it.