[01:52] <EleanorEllis> Is the realtime kernel for ubuntustudio any slower than the regular ubuntu kernel for general purpose activities like web browsing or using office applications? I have a fairly old computer with only 8GB RAM which struggles when I have several tabs open in my browser so I am wondering whether to dual boot ubuntustudio with regular ubuntu and only use ubuntustudio when I am editing video or audio.
[02:04] <ubuntu-studio> I haven't noticed any difference but I haven't clocked them or anything.
[02:29] <EleanorEllis> ubuntu-studio: Thank you
[02:30] <ubuntu-studio> No worries.
[02:31] <EleanorEllis> I see ubuntustudio uses xde. I prefer gnome-flashback. Also gnome supports secure access to online accounts such as gmail and I was struggling to get that working in xubuntu. Is there any advantage to xde over gnome-flashback?
[04:26] <OvenWerk1> EleanorEllis: ubuntustudio uses xfce
[04:29] <OvenWerk1> I personally gave up on Gnome as a desktop when I couldn't even open the desktop on anything older than one or two years
[04:30] <EleanorEllis> OvenWerk1: I know it does. I am using Gnome-Flashback rather than Gnome-Session which mimics the old Gnome 2 interface with Gnome Panel which used to ship with Ubuntu. My laptop is more than 5 years old.
[04:30] <OvenWerk1>  I hear gnome has gotten better, I am not sure they handle multilevel menus very well and I don't seem to navigate search based menuing worth anything... I spend more ti==me looking for an application than running it.
[04:31] <EleanorEllis> I don't use Compiz though, only Metacity
[04:31] <OvenWerk1> how many devs work on flashback?
[04:31] <EleanorEllis> I don't know
[04:32] <OvenWerk1> Most of what Studio has should be able to work with just about any DE
[04:32] <EleanorEllis> I must say being able to search in the applications menu in xde is good but I find some other parts clunky and the file browser doesn't integrate with Dropbox so I have to install Nautilus on it. I am just wondering if XDE is inherently faster than Gnome-Flashback
[04:33] <OvenWerk1> Either install your de on top or install your de fisrt and add the UbuntuSTudio meta packages
[04:33] <OvenWerk1> What is xde?
[04:34] <OvenWerk1> The last time I used nautilus I found they had removed functionallity and made menus a) hard to find and b) non-standard
[04:35] <EleanorEllis> That is also true
[04:36] <EleanorEllis> Sorry I meant XFCE!
[04:36] <OvenWerk1> Ah. anyway, I have had no trouble with thunar as a filemanager. I do not know if it still has trouble with high file rename activity though.
[04:38] <EleanorEllis> My only problem with Thunar is that there seems to be no integration with Dropbox
[04:38] <EleanorEllis> So I can't tell if my files are up to date or being updated
[04:38] <OvenWerk1> The main reason for moving from gnome 2 to xfce is that gnome 3 was unusable for many people and so was unity. Now that gnome has moved forward some and unity is going away... Studio may revisit what DE we use.
[04:39] <OvenWerk1> Then in your case you would have to install nautilus or some ther file manager for your use.
[04:41] <EleanorEllis> Do you think that would be preferable to installing gnome-flashback?
[04:42] <OvenWerk1> I do not know gnome flashback well enough to say. If you like gnome flash back, install it and add some or all Studio meta packages. There are only about 5 or 6 if you need the lowlatency kernel.
[04:43] <EleanorEllis> I was going to install Ubuntu Studio in a new partition, so that I get JACK preconfigured and all the standard Ubuntu Studio video apps
[04:44] <EleanorEllis> I already gnome-flashback installed on the version of Ubuntu desktop I am using right now.
[04:44] <OvenWerk1> That is another way yes. ubuntustudio-controls will fix a jack install that is not done right.
[04:45] <EleanorEllis> In the past I have found JACK very hard to configure. But installing the meta-packages here would be a lot quicker.
[04:45] <OvenWerk1> Biggest hint, don't use a GUI software installer besides synaptic
[04:46] <EleanorEllis> I only synaptic or the command line. I don't like Ubuntu Software. It seems buggy to me.
[04:46] <OvenWerk1> USC and the newer "software" will probably install jack wrong.
[04:46] <EleanorEllis> Oh and if I install a DEB that I have downloaded I use gdebi
[04:46] <EleanorEllis> I would uninstall Ubuntu Software if I could. I hate it!
[04:46] <OvenWerk1> They don't tell you when they wish to remove software that doesn't fit either
[04:47] <EleanorEllis> How do you mean?
[04:47] <OvenWerk1> Sometimes to install new software other software has to be removed... apt or synaptic will tell you this is going to happen and let you back out, the software center just does it.
[04:48] <OvenWerk1> Wine for example is bad for removing some video drivers
[04:48] <OvenWerk1> The computer still works but video is much slower
[04:48] <EleanorEllis> Oh I see.
[04:48] <EleanorEllis> Would you mind helping me configure JACK if I just install the meta packages?
[04:49] <EleanorEllis> Then again, on the other hand, I have probably installed a lot of crap I don't need which will be taking up disk space so perhaps starting from a clean install would have advantages.
[04:50] <OvenWerk1> Jack is not hard to set up in general so long as you use onlu one audio device for both inputs and outputs
[04:50] <OvenWerk1> *only
[04:51] <OvenWerk1> as soon as you want to use one device for output and a USB mic or something like that for input, it get s harder
[04:52] <EleanorEllis> That is the reason I need JACK. I need multiple inputs from possibly multiple devices.
[04:53] <OvenWerk1> So you also need zita-ajbridge
[04:53] <EleanorEllis> Really? I thought I remember JACK being able to do this stuff as is
[04:53] <OvenWerk1> You set jack up for the device you use for outputs and use zita-a2j for any other inputs you need
[04:54] <EleanorEllis> I seem to remember an application where you could draw the connectivity you want, linking physical devices to software inputs, or even outputs of one software to inputs of another
[04:54] <OvenWerk1> jack1 does have zita-ajbridge built in... sort of but does not have dbus yet so pulse can't auto bridge to it.
[04:55] <EleanorEllis> I use more than one device for output as well.
[04:55] <OvenWerk1> zita can do that as well
[04:55] <EleanorEllis> What is dbus?
[04:55] <EleanorEllis> I always get confused with alsa and pulse
[04:55] <OvenWerk1> it is a method for one application to communitcate with another
[04:56] <OvenWerk1> pulse is a layer that goes over top of alsa that makes each appl;ication think it has full access to alsa by auto mixing streams together without bloacking
[04:57] <OvenWerk1> It is a front end, alsa is a backend
[04:57] <EleanorEllis> You mean without pulse, each application would try to get exclusive access to ALSA?
[04:57] <OvenWerk1> pulse is really good for desktop kinds of things, but is generally not usable for (semi)profesional audio
[04:57] <OvenWerk1> yes that is correct
[04:58] <EleanorEllis> Can't I route desktop app sounds through JACK without PULSE?
[04:58] <OvenWerk1> pulse is not sample for sample acurate. if it gets behind it just looses audio
[04:59] <OvenWerk1> some of them yes, some not. Skype talks to pulse directly... won't even work with raw alsa. Pulse is the only option for bluetooth audio right now.
[05:00] <OvenWerk1> but again, for profesional use, wire is better anyway.
[05:01] <OvenWerk1> For someone who wants BT headphones for mixing on the train, going from jack to pulse to bt is fine.
[05:01] <EleanorEllis> Wire? Yet another sound module I don't know about. Don't most applications talk to JACK directly? I don't need skype as I will use Pidgin for that
[05:02] <OvenWerk1> no I mean wired as oposed to wireless. Bluetooth is wireless, phones that plugin are wired
[05:02] <EleanorEllis> Oh, of course.
[05:03] <EleanorEllis> I was thinking of using bluetooth as a cheap alternative to radio mics, and hopefully suffering less degradation than analogue FM
[05:04] <OvenWerk1> Then you would need pulse as a front end for jack if you are using SW that needs jack.
[05:04] <OvenWerk1> Jack can be set up with more than a stereo pair bridged
[05:05] <ubuntu-studio> Hey OvenWerk1 when you 2 get to a stopping point I have a question.
[05:05] <OvenWerk1> I have set it up with 3 stereo pairs in the past.
[05:05] <EleanorEllis> ubuntu-studio: Feel free to jump in
[05:05] <OvenWerk1> go ahead. I will be going to bed soon.
[05:06] <EleanorEllis> OvenWerk1: Thanks for your help so far
[05:06] <OvenWerk1> I think I am the farthest west on here
[05:06] <OvenWerk1> most are utc or utc +1 or 2
[05:06] <OvenWerk1> I am -7
[05:09] <OvenWerk1> EleanorEllis: you may find the next beta of ubuntustudio-controls helpful at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild
[05:10] <ubuntu-studio> casper/vm/linuz not found on install from live usb. Tried chmod  and chown with no results. Kinda a noob here. How can I get the install to recognize the casper I can find?  14.04.5 btw
[05:10] <OvenWerk1> except not really for blue tooth
[05:11] <OvenWerk1> ubuntu-studio: huh, that is one I would find hard to answer. It seems to me it is about usinf the right tool to print the usb stick. I used to use dd
[05:11] <OvenWerk1>  it worked for me
[05:12] <OvenWerk1> Oh vm? does that mean you are trying to install on a vm
[05:12] <ubuntu-studio> I've done (from an xp) Rufus, unetbootin, and pendrive. All to no avail.
[05:14] <ubuntu-studio> no I want it as the sole OS. I'm running a frankenstien that SATA is burned on motherboard. So everything is all SS flash. My HD..LMAO...is a 128G nano flash.
[05:14] <OvenWerk1> have you just tried sudo dd if=isofilename of=/dev/sd*? (where sd* is the device name of your usb drive at the time)
[05:15] <ubuntu-studio> I'm not familiar with that one very much.
[05:16] <OvenWerk1> can you get a vanilla ubuntu to work? There are a lot more people on #ubuntu than there are here and there is little or no difference from one iso to the next in ubuntu.
[05:16] <OvenWerk1> Anyway, my wife is calling I must go
[05:16] <ubuntu-studio> ROger... will make my first dive at the dd
[19:35] <studio-user892> http://i.imgur.com/G2phXAh.png
[21:08] <studio-user892> anyone around?
[21:08] <studio-user892> im getting error http://i.imgur.com/G2phXAh.png
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