[00:26] <metalbiker> chelz, was that at me?
[00:56] <metalbiker> i'm back finally.
[01:52] <pleia2> meeting in a few minutes :)
[01:53] <nhaines> Yup.  :)
[01:54] <nhaines> Ooh, I didn't know that Thunderbird had an IRC client.  (I'm not sure I know that it *should* have one, either.)
[01:55] <nhaines> I found a neat snap program called bucklespring.  It plays key-up and key-down recordings from an IBM Model-M spacesaver keyboard when you press keys on your computer's keyboard.  Not only are the keystrokes individually recorded, but the playback is also spatially panned in 3D.
[01:55] <nhaines> The result is silly but quite pleasant.
[02:01] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[02:01] <nhaines> #chair pleia2 lynorian
[02:01] <pleia2> o/
[02:01] <nhaines> Well that was a little anticlimactic.  :)
[02:02] <pleia2> tsk, no bot!
[02:02] <nhaines> Hi pleia2!  o/
[02:02] <nhaines> Okay, so welcome to the Ubuntu California meeting for June 25th, 2017.  Apparently we're going to be writing receipts and using manual impression credit card slips and candles and so on today.  :)
[02:02] <pleia2> hehe
[02:03] <nhaines> This week's agenda can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/17June25
[02:03] <nhaines> Pretend our bot just told you that was a link to a web page.
[02:03] <nhaines> #topic Upcoming events
[02:03] <nhaines> What's new and happening in California?  Anyone?
[02:04] <pleia2> I'm planning on doing an Ubuntu Hour in SF on July 12th, it's been a while
[02:04] <pleia2> I'll add it to all the event things soon
[02:04] <nhaines> \o/
[02:05] <nhaines> Looks like the next Ubuntu Hour in Pasadena is July 11th.
[02:05] <nhaines> Ubuntu hours are good.  :)
[02:05] <nhaines> #topic Announcements
[02:05] <nhaines> Anything interesting going on?
[02:05] <pleia2> nothing from me
[02:07] <nhaines> Oh, the Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase is still going on!  We're not getting tons of submissions this time around (and I took just under half down this weekend for licensing issues), so if you would like to contribute to Ubuntu in this way, your odds are good.  :)  https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-fcs-1710/
[02:08] <pleia2> thanks again for running it :)
[02:08] <nhaines> Thanks.  :)
[02:08] <nhaines> Oh, and on a personal note, I signed a contract for the second edition of my book, Beginning Ubuntu for Windows and Mac Users, expected in October.  They sent me an updated cover last week and it looks really nice!
[02:09] <pleia2> that's great, congrats :D
[02:10] <nhaines> I'm happy: it should be a really nice little guide to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.  I'm not looking forward to 18.04 LTS in any form at the moment, so it's nice that I was able to get a second edition now.
[02:10]  * pleia2 nods
[02:10] <nhaines> Plus I finished it before I proposed it, so there's not a ton of work to do.  ;)
[02:10] <pleia2> so much changing with Gnome
[02:11] <nhaines> Having to adapt my instructions for Ubuntu Software Center over to Ubuntu Software (née GNOME Software) really highlighted how terribad GNOME is.
[02:11] <nhaines> At least the individual apps tend to be pretty awesome most of the time.  :)
[02:11] <nhaines> Okay, agenda item!
[02:12] <nhaines> #topic Call for LoCo leadership nominations and elections.
[02:13] <nhaines> We have a newly ratified leadership document that allows us to have a single elected leader if three leaders are top-heavy.
[02:13] <nhaines> So now that that problem is solved and SCALE isn't breathing down our necks, it's probably a good time to do another call for nominations and hold elections.
[02:14] <pleia2> sounds good
[02:14] <pleia2> I won't be putting my name in so do you want me to take care of it?
[02:14] <nhaines> That'd be super helpful!
[02:15] <pleia2> ok :) I can put out the new call for nominations soon (maybe tonight, maybe in the next couple of days)
[02:15] <nhaines> Perfect.  Let's make sure the call is open long enough, but not so long that everyone forgets by the end.  :)
[02:15] <pleia2> I'm thinking two weeks
[02:16] <pleia2> 4th of july lands in the middle, so it's a nice long/short ;)
[02:16] <pleia2> I'll send a reminder out a few days prior
[02:16] <pleia2> to the end
[02:16] <nhaines> That sounds good to me.
[02:17] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[02:17] <pleia2> and I guess we'll need to rejigger the wiki for all this too, woo fun
[02:17] <nhaines> We should just need another nominations page, nothing too crazy. :)
[02:17]  * pleia2 nods
[02:18] <nhaines> If it is crazy, let me know and I'll help.
[02:18] <nhaines> Okay, any other business before we wrap things up?
[02:19] <pleia2> I think that's it for me
[02:19] <nhaines> Me too, I think.
[02:20] <nhaines> Okay, our next meeting is July 9th!  :)
[02:20] <nhaines> Everyone enjoy the rest of their weekend and happy fourth of July!
[02:20] <pleia2> you too :)
[02:20] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[02:20]  * nhaines is jealous of pleia2's empanadas.
[02:21] <pleia2> it was so tastey :d
[02:21] <pleia2> ugh, the loco team portal is barely usable at this point
[02:21] <nhaines> That's my friend's secret family recipe for empanadas, too.
[02:21] <nhaines> The LoCo portal is very slow.
[02:22] <pleia2> :o
[02:22] <pleia2> ok, dinner time for me!
[02:22] <nhaines> After the empanada?  Then you didn't eat enough! :D  ¡buen provecho!
[02:23] <pleia2> haha, it was hours ago!
[02:23] <pleia2> and it was just one small empanada :)
[02:23] <nhaines> Sounds like a good excuse to eat many.  :)
[02:27] <metalbiker> have I missed the meeting?
[02:27] <nhaines> Quite neatly, yes.
[02:28] <metalbiker> awwww, man. i got tied up and just got to where i could come join. are there any minutes i can read to see how it went?
[02:28] <metalbiker> how long do the meetings usually last?
[02:28] <nhaines> There will be in a bit, once I add the logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/17June25
[02:29] <nhaines> They tend to be about 15-30 minutes, depending on whether or not anything's going on.
[02:31] <metalbiker> ok, that's cool. can anything be discussed at a meeting? not just administration issues? oh, so you know, my name is charlie luna. i'm the one that sent you the email about the t-shirts.
[02:31] <nhaines> There's room for upcoming events and announcements and so on, but it tends to be admin or LoCo-related stuff.
[02:32] <nhaines> The mailing list and the channel in general is good for any topic, although around meeting time is when there are more likely to be people around.
[02:32] <nhaines> Did I get back to you about the shirts?  I know I didn't have time for a couple of days.
[02:34] <metalbiker> yeah, you did, and thank you for the information. i've been dealing with a death in the family and so i never got a chance to reply back. i was thinking about having a couple or more made that has our loco group info on it, like on the back.
[02:34] <metalbiker> and just hand them out to anyone who asks or maybe if i can finally get my ubuntu hour setup, i can just give them away then
[02:35] <nhaines> Sounds great!
[02:36] <nhaines> I'd probably suggest getting the Ubuntu Hour set up first, and then worrying about shirts.  Or at the same time, but don't wait around for one before the other.  :)
[02:37] <metalbiker> good advice and i'll follow it for sure.
[02:37] <nhaines> Okay, meeting log is up at that page.
[02:38] <nhaines> How long have you used Ubuntu?
[02:38] <metalbiker> awesome! i'll check it out in a bit. i'm interested in reading it.
[02:39] <metalbiker> i've been using ubuntu, in various distros, since 2006. i started out with just the standard ubuntu, which is what i'm using now.
[02:39] <metalbiker> i've tried out so many flavors, from xubuntu, ubuntu studio, to linux mint and opensuse.
[02:40] <nhaines> I started using Ubuntu in 2005, when then giant buzz about the second release indicated that there must be *something* going on.  :)
[02:41] <nhaines> I've been very happy ever since.
[02:41] <metalbiker> oh wow! that's cool! i came along right after that then! cool! do you have a preferred flavor to use?
[02:42] <nhaines> Just Ubuntu, although I'm very fond of Ubuntu MATE on my Raspberry Pi.
[02:42] <metalbiker> oh man, i was scared to make the switch to ubuntu from microsoft windows, but once i did, i was very, very happy as well. no issues at all.
[02:43] <metalbiker> oh yeah! i never realized that the RPi could be used like a standard computer. can you connect a monitor and keyboard, mouse to it as well?
[02:43] <metalbiker> that was a silly question. how else would anyone to be able to program and what-not? jeez
[02:44] <nhaines> I think it was about a year or so before I made the full switch, but Ubuntu on the laptop was fun.  I would try various distros on the laptop and switch back to Windows, but with Ubuntu I never had to switch back.  :)
[02:44] <nhaines> Haha, well they *do* make embedded devices that you program and interact with via USB or serial.  :)
[02:44] <nhaines> But yeah, an RPi has an HDMI port and four USB ports and Ethernet.  The RPi3 has Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, too.
[02:46] <metalbiker> i dual booted my desktop when i first started using it until i got used to the interface, etc and then i made a clean install and made the desktop a standalone OS.
[02:46] <nhaines> And the best thing is the SD cards.  So right now it's an arcade machine, but swap out for my other SD card and it's an Ubuntu desktop with Nextcloud syncing. :D
[02:47] <nhaines> Yup, I dualboot for gaming purposes, but seldom enough.
[02:47] <metalbiker> Oh sweet! can you use the RPi3, like say, for a wifi router? for internet access?
[02:49] <metalbiker> i've been contemplating making this laptop a dual boot system so i can start playing World of Warcraft on it but I think there's a way to play WOW with WINE.
[02:50] <nhaines> You could but you shouldn't!  (I think networking is CPU bound and the networking runs over the USB bus.)
[02:51] <metalbiker> oh, ok. i really got interested in making a homebrew router after i read an article on that topic on ars technica's website. the man who wrote it was using ubuntu server and that piqued my interest.
[02:52] <nhaines> If you wanted to do it for fun, then you should totally do it, as long as you don't *use* it.  For more than a day or two, anyway.  :)
[02:53] <metalbiker> you talking about the RPi or the homebrew router?
[02:53] <nhaines> Using an RPi for a homebrew router.
[02:54] <nhaines> (Same steps on suitably powerful hardware is fine.)
[02:54] <metalbiker> oh, ok. i was going to pick up a mini-pc that this gentleman used and go from there but then i came across a linksys wifi router that can be used with DD-WRT.
[02:55] <metalbiker> dd-wrt or open-wrt. May I ask you a personal question?
[02:56] <nhaines> It's been years, but I'm not a fan of DD-WRT's disregard for the GPL.  I really did like Tomato.
[02:56] <nhaines> Go right ahead with your question.
[02:57] <metalbiker> what do you do for employment? this is my first time to chat with you and i'm just trying to get to know everyone in our loco team. and i didn't know that DD-WRT did that. hmmm, maybe i'll think twice about that.
[02:57] <metalbiker> i came across tomato as a suitable OS for the router.
[02:59] <nhaines> I'm a freelancer.  Mainly writing and editing at the moment.  Used to be tech support.
[03:00] <metalbiker> ok, cool! i've got a more ?s brb
[03:00] <nhaines> Ask away when you return.
[03:14] <metalbiker> ok, i'm back.
[03:15] <metalbiker> just a couple more questions and then i've got to get going.
[03:15] <metalbiker> has our team ever met in person?
[03:16] <nhaines> Lots of times, but only at individual events.  We're here to help others do Ubuntu events.  The Southern California Linux Expo is usually your best bet for meeting others.
[03:17] <metalbiker> sweet! i'm hoping to do an event sometime in the near future. When's that expo?
[03:17] <metalbiker> Don
[03:18] <metalbiker> oops
[03:18] <metalbiker> don't we have a linux summit coming soon or has that already happened? i follow linux.com on twitter and i think there's a summit coming closeby.
[03:19] <nhaines> You know, they haven't announced next year's date and I know it (or can look it up).  But it's March of next year: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/15x
[03:19] <nhaines> There are Linux summits year-round.  But SCALE is the biggest one in California.
[03:20] <metalbiker> ok cool. i'll have to get to that in march. i'd love to go. i'll bookmark that web address for reference. thanks!
[03:21] <nhaines> It's gigantic and lots of fun.  You'll hear a lot of noise about it as it comes closer, and you're welcome to volunteer at the booth for a bit (or even just hang out for a few minutes before wandering along to the other stuff, too.)
[03:22] <metalbiker> oh hell yeah! i'd love to volunteer for it! is there a way to sign up for that on the website?
[03:23] <nhaines> Not yet, but yes, we have a volunteer table on the wiki.
[03:24] <nhaines> Looks like this, but there'll be a new page next year: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale15x
[03:24] <metalbiker> ok, great! i'll check it out. and i'll sign up for it. is it in L.A.?
[03:25] <nhaines> Pasadena.
[03:25] <lynorian> Yes Scale is great
[03:26] <nhaines> Great way to meet others.  I spend a lot of time talking to the creator of ownCloud and NextCloud.  :)
[03:26] <metalbiker> oh wow!! nice! i've been there a couple times before. i love it there. and i'll definitely make plans to volunteer.
[03:26] <nhaines> That's great! It's a very real conference but super friendly, so it's a good way to get booth/expo experience.  And we always work around any talks you want to attend.
[03:28] <metalbiker> oh nice! the experience would be awesome! i've always wanted to go to like E3, or something like that, too and I know E3 just got done and I was so bummed out to be close enough to go and not be able to.
[03:29] <metalbiker> ok, mr. haines. i've got to get going. it's been awesome chatting with you. i see the new date for the next meeting and i'll do my best to be here and on time next time.
[03:29] <nhaines> I'm glad we ran into each other here.  Looking forward to next time.  :)
[03:30] <metalbiker> same here! i look forward to meeting the others that come here. talk to you next time!
[23:18] <metalbiker> anybody around today?