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Roeyhihi00:10
RoeyI recently switched routers and am trying to figure out why I can no longer connect to SSH on my machine at home even though I've set the router to port-forward it.00:12
Roeylordievader: hello!00:12
shadow98https://pastebin.com/uzWBXtnu00:14
Roeyoh nevermind I Got it working00:16
Roeythanks00:16
Roeyhey shad00:16
Roeyshadow98: hi00:16
Roeyshadow98: what's in that pastebin?00:16
shadow98trying to get cmake working00:17
shadow98actually following this https://github.com/KDE/kio-gdrive00:18
shadow98the cmake part of the installation instructions if failing for me00:18
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shadow98http://i.imgur.com/COA5pVT.png00:32
shadow98i have 2 issues I would like to resolve they are pasted in the urls above.00:32
calcmandanRoey: do you have the sshd daemon running?00:34
Roeyyes00:34
calcmandanRoey: do you have ssh listening on your system on standard port 22 or did you set it to a different one?00:34
RoeyI found that it was  a mismatch between the port I was supplying ssh and to the router in the IP forward section, and the /actual/ port htat SSHD was listening on00:34
calcmandanoh nevermind, you got it working00:34
Roeycalcmandan: correct00:34
Roeythanks though :)00:34
calcmandani didn't read down.00:35
Roeynow I am trying to figure out why this thing doesn't connect to my dyndns address00:35
Roeycalcmandan, aye no worries00:35
calcmandanyou lost me there. i have a static ip00:35
calcmandanbt i may setup a pihole soon.00:35
shadow98yes01:14
shadow98https://pastebin.com/fWeGDHru got a little farter by install g++01:14
MobileRoeyhai!!01:23
MobileRoeyok now I have another issue:  on my laoptop (hence MobileRoey) I am trying to do-release-upgrade from 16.10 -> 17.04.  It got interrupted though.. when I try it now, I get: https://pastebin.com/UB7gfgcU01:24
DragnslcrMobileRoey- cat /etc/apt/sources.list01:33
DragnslcrA few lines down, you should see something like "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ zesty main restricted"01:34
DragnslcrDoes yours say "zesty" or "yakkety"?01:34
MobileRoeyyeah they all say zesty.01:37
MobileRoeyit changed that file at least01:37
MobileRoeythe installer must've, the first  time I ran it01:37
MobileRoeydo-release-upgrade I mean.01:37
DragnslcrDoing a release upgrade is basically just changing the repositories and then doing a normal package update01:37
MobileRoeyoh I didn't know that.01:38
DragnslcrSo you should be able to just do a normal apt update and apt dist-upgrade01:38
nauticalnexusHi, Kubuntu 17.04 keeps trying to mount 2 encrypted partitions. I have no encrypted partitions. I have never had encrypted partitions on this install.01:38
nauticalnexusWell systemd I guess. It does it on boot01:38
MobileRoeyE: The package linux-headers-4.8.0-51-generic needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.01:39
MobileRoeythat is when I run dist-upgrade01:39
MobileRoeyDragnslcr, ^01:41
DragnslcrI don't think 17.04 has any 4.8 kernel packages01:42
DragnslcrAt least I only see 4.10 packages01:42
DragnslcrMobileRoey- run "uname -a" to check what kernel version you're running01:43
DragnslcrIf you're running a newer kernel, it should be safe to remove packages for older kernels01:44
MobileRoey 4.8.0-51-generic #54-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 25 16:32:21 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux01:48
MobileRoeyso that's 4.1001:48
MobileRoey5.04 is 4.1001:49
MobileRoeyI know that at least01:49
MobileRoeyis that how you are seeing if it is still running the rest of 14.10, with the kernel version?  Why, because if yo uuse lsb_release -a, it will say Zesty when it really hasn;t even started to change over yet01:50
DragnslcrMobileRoey- try running "apt remove linux-headers-4.8.0-51-generic"01:54
DragnslcrSince you won't need that package after the upgrade anyway01:55
Roeyok01:56
Roeyin a bit01:56
Roeythanks01:56
Roeyso then what if I continue to get this same error afterwards?01:57
DragnslcrRoey- I'm not certain. You might be able to download and install the package manually. I don't know if changing your repositories back to 16.10 would break lots of other things.02:02
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Oderushi. desperately trying to backup a dvd but each time i try it says k3b needs transcode installed. I have it installed but still get the message. any ideas? sorry to crosspost, i just realized i posted in ubuntu and not kubuntu02:27
MaynardSooooooo wtf? I cannot get in #ubuntu as directed by the dev in studio.04:10
Maynardsomething about registering which it says usernam invalid...changed.ok email now invalid??? It MY email FFS!04:11
oerheksMaynard, #ubuntu is currently under spam attacks, so you need to register and log in with that account, i can see you are not logged in yet04:12
MaynardWHat the hell am I doing wrong???? Been looking at hundreds of answers in the wrong scenario for me for DAYS now.04:12
oerhekshelp with registering in #freenode04:12
MaynardRight.....I followed the directions.  Invalid email (MY email).04:12
Maynard......04:14
MaynardOK.  SO I made a bootable Live USB. When I do the install everything is fine now.  Reboot and casper/vmlinuz not found.   But I think it should be in the EFI file and a .efi no?04:15
MaynardI already ran boot-repair and that worked a couple times then ran pages of code and no boot.04:18
MaynardIs there anybody out there in 218 of you all?04:19
MaynardReally? <oerkeks>04:20
Maynard<oerheks>04:21
MaynardBueller?04:22
oerheksi have no experience with EFI/UEFI, but there is a manual for that04:24
oerheks!uefi04:24
ubottuUEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI04:24
MaynardSO I closed by acciedent.04:27
MaynardAnyone come out?04:27
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lordievaderGood morning05:46
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ndoshohow to reverse cursor in kde06:11
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ryzokukenKubuntu 17.04 is buggy AF.08:13
ryzokukenI tried to shutdown my computer, the greeter failed miserably.08:13
ryzokukenThen, the distro just failed to run any app or do anything whatsoever, so I went to tty1 and used `shutdown 0` (which is bad, the distro SHOULD shutdown normally without much poking)08:14
ryzokukennow, X just won't start.08:14
ryzokukenthe ttys run okay, but the graphical environment just show a black screen.08:15
ryzokukenis there a way to fix this? I just installed the nvidia drivers, is it because of them?08:15
hateballryzokuken: Could well be08:17
hateballryzokuken: How did you install them?08:18
ryzokukenusing the normal GUI utility08:18
hateballryzokuken: What chipset do you have?08:18
ryzokukenmy GPU?08:18
hateballryzokuken: Yea08:18
ryzokukenIts a GT 920M08:18
hateballryzokuken: And what driver did you pick? Not 340 I guess?08:19
hateball340 is for legacy chipets08:19
ryzokukenactually, it autopicks one08:19
hateballryzokuken: you can also use "ubuntu-drivers" in cli to manage drivers08:19
ryzokukenyes. It probably used nvidia-37508:20
hateballor just simply "sudo apt install nvidia-375"08:20
hateballhmmm, that should work tho08:20
hateballryzokuken: Is SDDM black, or does it turn black after you log in?08:20
ryzokukenhateball: doing that would automagically take care of nouveau?08:20
ryzokukenhateball: no SDDM as well.08:21
ryzokukenit seems to be an issue with X08:21
hateballryzokuken: yea installling nvidia-X blacklists nouveau etc08:21
ryzokukenhateball: okay, cool.08:21
hateballryzokuken: maybe it failed building the modules properly, make sure dkms is installed08:21
hateballapt install dkms08:22
ryzokukenI also installed intel-microcode, but I doubt it'll interfere.08:22
hateballno that's fine08:22
ryzokukenI'm on the same machine on another distro.08:23
hateballoh so you're livebooted? or dual booted?08:23
ryzokukenhateball: can I somehow chroot into that installation and do all the installation?08:23
ryzokukenhateball: dual booted08:23
hateballryzokuken: I... havent fiddled with chroots in an age08:24
hateballso I cant be of much help. but I suppose you could08:24
hateballryzokuken: while it shouldnt be needed, you could also try the latest beta driver from PPA if you like08:25
hateballthat would be done with: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-38108:25
ryzokukenI hardly think that's the issue.08:25
hateballryzokuken: oh and is this a hybrid gpu?08:25
ryzokukenI mean, I have used 375 for sometime.08:25
ryzokukenhateball: it is.08:25
hateballyes the 920 series should be supported by 37508:25
ryzokukenI have been using ubuntu and mint variants for quite some time now, never faced issues like this.08:26
hateballryzokuken: so you have had the machine working on 17.04 + 375 driver?08:26
ryzokukenyes.08:26
hateballright, so it has broken now, presumably after an update?08:26
ryzokukenmostly 16.04 + 375, but also 17.04 + 375 iirc08:26
ryzokukenhateball: I just installed kubuntu, wanted to try KDE08:27
oerheksrun dpkg --configure -a # and then hit ctrl alt F7 again?08:27
ryzokukenoerheks: I'll definitely try that.08:28
oerheksand run updates again/ apt install -f08:28
ryzokukenI didn't update the system yet.08:28
ryzokukenInstalling the drivers is usually the first thing I do when I install a new distro08:29
oerheksupdates, driver(s), ant then the riddle of apps you want08:29
amichair_hi, I just tried to run an upgrade from yakkety to zesty, and it seemed to fail to install kubuntu-desktop. After reboot I saw a kde login screen, but after that just empty wallpaper, though I can access terminal via ctrl-alt-f1. I also have no wireless after reboot so hard to try to change sources etc... how do I fix this?08:32
hateballamichair_: you can use nmcli to connect to wifi from a tty08:33
amichair_hateball: I'm trying to do that, but it says "active connection removed before it was initialized"08:33
amichair_hateball: I ran nmcli c up <ssid>08:34
hateballamichair_: perhaps the zesty kernel disagrees with your wifi chipset. do you see anything in dmesg ?08:35
amichair_hateball: IPv6: ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready08:37
amichair_hateball: shouldn't be ipv6, though maybe it's unrelated?08:38
hateballamichair_: yeah thats unrelated08:40
hateballamichair_: what wifi chipset is it?08:40
amichair_hateball: I think it's atheros 9k or something like that... how do I check?08:43
hateballamichair_: lspci -k08:43
hateballamichair_: that will show you the module it uses as well08:43
hateballand if you try unloading and reloading the module, any complaints should be logged to dmesg08:43
hateballlike if it needs a firmware file that is not present on the system or something like that08:44
amichair_hateball: ya, ath9k, AR948508:44
hateballamichair_: try "sudo modprobe -r ath9k && sudo modprobe ath9k" and then run dmesg08:59
hateballapparently it has loaded the module at least09:00
amichair_hateball: ok, I did rmmod and modprobe (I assume rmmode is the same as modprobe -r), then tried nmcli again and it gave a different message about password09:01
amichair_hateball: it says to use --ask, but that results in the same error as before09:01
amichair_hateball: so I removed+added the module again, and ran nmcli --ask, and then it did prompt for the password and it works09:02
amichair_so that error message basically means you need to remove and add the module and immediately run with --ask09:02
amichair_how intuitive :-)09:02
hateballheh09:03
hateballamichair_: well now you have connectivity at least? if the sources are configured correctly I suppose you can continue upgrading09:04
amichair_hateball: yeah, now connected, and back to original problem09:04
amichair_hateball: everything seems up to date, but apt install kubuntu-desktop complains about invalid request (some dependency mismatch or something)09:05
hateballamichair_: telepathy stuff?09:05
amichair_hateball: kinfocenter,kwin,plasma-desktop,sddm-theme-beeze all say "but it is not going to be installed"09:06
acheronukapt-get install plasma-desktop ?09:08
amichair_hateball: when I try installing them, most say that plasma-workspace is missing and not going to be installed, and kwin says the same about kwin-x1109:08
amichair_acheronuk: yeah, that gives the above error message09:08
acheronukapt-get install plasma-workspace then09:08
hateballamichair_: had you been using backports ppa?09:09
amichair_hateball: I think so09:09
amichair_hateball: I just tried re-adding it now, but doesn't help09:09
hateballamichair_: if you run: apt policy plasma-desktop, where does it point to?09:09
amichair_acheronuk: when I try plasma-workspace, the missing ones are qml-module-org-kde-extensionplugin and libkscreenlocker509:10
hateballamichair_: I mean does it list a ppa or just the main repos?09:10
amichair_hateball: installed none, candidate has ~ppa1 at end09:11
ryzokukenhateball: nothing helped. :(09:12
ryzokukenI think it might be an SDDM issue09:12
acheronukamichair_: full version please09:12
hateballryzokuken: could try a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure sddm" I suppose09:13
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amichair_hateball: plasma-workspace: 4:5.9.5.1-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu17.04~ppa109:15
amichair_(I hope with no typos :-) )09:15
acheronukso you have updates ppa enabled, not backports09:17
hateballamichair_: I'd disable the PPAs and make sure you can install the main packages first09:19
amichair_hateball: only *.list files in /etc/apt are used?09:21
acheronuk*.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ are also used09:23
hateballamichair_: if you've used apt-add-repository they'll be in where acheronuk said09:24
acheronukthough they should be disabled in you properly do a distribution upgrade with upgrade-manager09:25
acheronukryzokuken: make sure that you are trying to boot the kernel Nvidia modules built for, and that update-initramfs has been run for that one09:28
ryzokukenacheronuk: I'll look for that in GRUB09:28
ryzokukenwait, ill try and brb09:28
amichairit has a version of kwayland-data from ppa, I'll try forcing it to install the non-ppa one09:29
amichairalso libkf5activities5 needs downgrade from ppa09:33
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ryzokukenacheronuk: I realized there were two kernel versions09:35
ryzokuken4.10.19 and 4.10.2409:35
acheronukand........ ?09:36
ryzokuken4.10.19 must be the original one, it ran and nvidia-375 was installed but it probably wasn't running.09:36
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ryzokuken4.10.24 must be the one I modified, and it does not work.09:36
acheronukodd. I was running Nvidia 375 just fine on zesty for a short while.09:38
ryzokuken:/09:38
ryzokukenidk what's the problem, but it's strange something like this has happened.09:38
ryzokukenI used to use Debian testing (which isn't supposed to be perfectly stable) but such things never happened even back then.09:39
ryzokukenacheronuk: what should I do?09:39
ryzokukenacheronuk: hateball: you guys there?09:41
amichairhateball acheronuk: after downgrading kwayland-data and libkf5activities5, I could install kubuntu-desktop, and it seems to work now09:41
amichairthanks a bunch to both of you!09:41
acheronukamichair: good. you had a mismatch of ppa versions somehow. not quite sure how, but all good09:42
acheronukwhen I tested upgrades that did not occur09:42
amichairacheronuk: is that a bug in the repos? i.e. a newer repo should include the same or newer packages as the older repo?09:43
acheronukryzokuken: well, I would try purging and then re-installing the Nvidia drivers, making sure the modules build for the kernel you want to run09:44
acheronukmake sure you are not trying to run a wayland session09:44
ryzokukenokay09:44
ryzokukenacheronuk: how do I?09:44
amichairhmmm... I submitted a patch to software-properties-kde so double-clicking on a source will open its edit box, so you can easily remove all the annoying comments after an upgrade... but it hasn't been picked up yet09:44
ryzokukenI usually select in the DM09:45
ryzokukenbut the DM isn't showing up09:45
acheronuksudo apt-get purge nvidia-37509:45
ryzokukenacheronuk: so I run the bad kernel version, open a tty, purge the driver, reinstall the driver and it'll be fixed?09:47
acheronukamichair: not aware of an issue. those ppa packages were tested, and should have virtually no dep changes09:47
amichairacheronuk: if it helps, the bad ppa version were 5.34.something, and the good downgraded ones are 5.31.0-0ubuntu109:49
acheronukryzokuken: I would 'try' that. who knows if it will fix it. black screens with Nvidia and KDE are often a PITA to sort out09:49
amichairacheronuk: how can I see what a default clean sources.list should look like?09:49
ryzokukenacheronuk:09:49
ryzokukenacheronuk: okay **09:49
ryzokukenbrb09:49
ryzokukenacheronuk: you're an angel.10:00
acheronukit worked?10:00
ryzokukenSysinfo for 'black-perl': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.9.4 on Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) powered by Linux 4.10.0-24-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-5005U CPU @ 2.00GHz at 1602-1886/1900 MHz, RAM: 1722/3864 MB, Storage: 7/455 GB, 197 procs, 0.09h up10:01
ryzokuken:)10:01
ryzokukenI'm sending this from konversation.10:02
acheronukcool \o/10:02
oerheks:-)10:02
ryzokukennvidia-xsettings work as well, so I think the driver is working10:02
ryzokukenalthough, the system tray icon does not show up (strange)10:02
acheronuknot sure it ever has on KDE10:03
* acheronuk has never seen it10:03
ryzokukenI have seen it once, but maybe it does not show up now10:03
ryzokukenacheronuk: I don't think it's a problem.10:05
ryzokukenalthough it does a great job by making it clear that the nvidia GPU is in use10:05
acheronukoh, yes, you have a hybrid.10:06
acheronukI don't and don't install any of the supporting stuff10:06
ryzokukenyeah :P10:07
ryzokukenmaybe it only shows up on hybrid cards?10:07
hateballryzokuken: it should be quite clear in the prime settings in nvidia-settings also10:11
hateballwhich card is in use, that is10:11
ryzokukenhateball: it is.10:12
ryzokukenwhich is why I said that it isn't really a problem.10:12
ryzokukenbut I checked in the settings, I have an option called "display status bar" enabled, so it *should* work10:13
hateballryzokuken: do you have like a blank icon in the tray?10:14
hateballor no icon at all10:14
hateballwell, I should say entry10:14
ryzokukenhateball: nope, no icon on the lines of "nvidia" or "intel"11:06
ryzokukenmaybe it'll be there when I restart?11:07
BluesKajHiyas all11:11
ryzokukenguys, I am having a few more issues.12:28
ryzokukenprimarily with KDE's theming engine. No wonder I never really tried changing themes in KDE in the past12:28
ryzokukenI tried to install Arc-KDE, but the theme application is kinda patchy.12:29
ryzokukenI mean, it feels like it didn't get applied *everywhere*12:29
ryzokukenwhere do I apply a theme so that it becomes the default for all other options? (eg: I don't really want to choose window decorations and 99 other things manually, I just want to set *everything* to theme "X".12:30
ryzokukenplus, applications keep crashing :/12:30
ryzokukennever had this kind of problems with Ubuntu, Mint or even Debian before (had a few minor hiccups with Arch) :(12:31
hateballthe look and feel thing is a WIP afaik12:32
ryzokukenreally? I thought the desktop environment was kinda old.12:33
ryzokukenand well developed. I mean, most people hail KDE to be the best developed environment out there.12:34
hateballKDE 3.5, 4, and Plasma 5 are quite different tho12:36
ryzokukenI get it.12:36
ryzokukenAlthough, Plasma 5 is on 5.9 (for me atleast)12:37
ryzokukenso that's quite some versions.12:37
hateballYep12:38
hateballBut look&feel is new-ish still12:38
ryzokukenI get it.12:40
ryzokukenStill looks great, though.12:40
kubiak_can someone help me with a question regarding find?12:44
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kubiak_Does anyone know how to use the "find" command in terminal to search in text files which have ansi encoding?12:47
Picikubiak_: find doesn't look inside files.12:55
oerheksi use grep for that > grep -R "text " .12:56
kubiak_oh, i thought something like find . -name "*.php" | xargs grep -il "TEXT" would help me...12:56
kubiak_I've gotten this far, that works with utf-8 characters, but it does not work with ANSI encoded files...12:58
kubiak_i've also tried find . -name "*.php" | LC_ALL=C xargs grep -il "TEXT_TO_FIND" but no luck...12:58
kubiak_so here i am... : - )12:59
kubiak_oh... now i see my  mistake, i should have asked how to use "grep" to do that...13:00
kubiak_*shy*13:00
oerheksi was looking about what is so special about ansi ..13:01
oerhekshave fun!13:01
kubiak_thnx!13:05
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EdgyMC_69Hi. I'm preparing for a test on basic IT stuff and one of the tasks from the previous year asks to create a second root account. I've read something about it and it appears that there's no way to do it. The root account has uid and gid set to 0 but there can't be two account with the same uid. Is it correct?13:40
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lordievaderThat is correct.13:53
lordievaderThere is no possibility of a second root account.13:54
lordievaderHowever, throwing users in the sudo group effectively does the same thing.13:54
lordievaderI suggest you read the documentation of sudo.13:54
EdgyMC_69lordievader: but they'd have to use sudo before each command14:08
lordievaderTrue, or use sudo -i to get a root shell.14:08
EdgyMC_69o14:08
EdgyMC_69TIL. Thanks.14:08
EvilRoeyhello15:02
EvilRoeydoes anyone here use ZSSH?15:02
EvilRoeyI keep getting this error (even on 17.04): https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25138596/zssh-cant-start-and-shows-out-of-ptys-when-start15:03
EvilRoeywhich is apparently this error: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=76936615:03
ubottuDebian bug 769366 in zssh "zssh won't start: "out of pty's"" [Important,Open]15:03
EvilRoeywhich has not been closed yet15:03
EvilRoeythey say a recompile works though15:03
EvilRoeyHow do I apt-get compile this?15:03
EvilRoeylordievader: ^15:03
lordievaderDownload the source and build a package, apt does not do the second step.15:04
lordievaderDpkg does.15:04
EvilRoeylordievader: hmm ok15:21
EvilRoeyhow do I do this?15:21
EvilRoeylordievader: I get this error in the "debuild" step: https://pastebin.com/8SQTSFq715:30
lordievaderEvilRoey: read the error... You probably want to build it as root.15:52
EvilRoeylordievader: ok, hah, that worked15:56
EvilRoeythanks!!!!15:58
EvilRoeyand yes a recompile was what was needed.15:58
harklarkHi, if a program in my autostart fails to load (latte-dock in this case) is there a log file somewhere of what went wrong?16:49
aedigitalmaybe .xsessions-errors16:53
aedigital~/.xsessions-errors16:54
harklarkill take a look thanks16:55
aedigitalk16:55
harklarkseems like I don't have that folder16:55
harklarkoh wait i see it now16:56
harklarkfile not a folder :)16:57
harklarklatte-dock finished with exit code  1116:58
harklarkI have a lead!16:58
harklarkthanks for your help16:58
tms-After couple of days of headaches, this is towards any KDE developer right here : please write software that does not suck, thank you.17:10
tms-Pardon the rudeness, couldn't handle it anymore17:11
BluesKajtms-, wrong chat, try #kubuntu-devel with your complaint, but be more specific if you intend to ask for support here.or there17:16
tms-Thanks17:17
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> kde developers would be in #kde-devel or #plasma17:25
mparillo_tms-: And the KDE Devels would probably prefer well-written bugs.kde.org anyway.17:29
mparillo_https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html17:31
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tomtom123Hey all, just had the following issue, after installing updates yesterday, my graphic session would not start, leaving me in front of a black screen and only the tty sessions would work. running startx did not help. I had to completely remove the nvidia driver and rollback to nouveau to get it working. Anybody know of any issue with the recent upda21:39
tomtom123tes and nvidia drivers or graphic server?21:39
ikoniaif X doesn't start why do you run "startx" ??? how is that going to help21:39
ikoniawhy not read the X org log and see what the problem is21:39
ikoniamore so before tainting any logs21:39
mparillo_Question: Do we still startx or do we systemctl restart sddm.service21:40
ikoniathe xorg service is launched via the greeter, which is systemctl21:41
tomtom123yep i did run startx... to see if it would actually start21:42
ikoniabut you know it wouldn't start21:42
ikoniaor it would have started at boot21:42
tomtom123yep, but how do you know if it didnt start because of a config issue, a timing conflict, etc... or if it is just broken somewhere?21:44
ikoniatomtom123: you read the log21:44
ikoniaand if it's a config issue, or something broken, randomly typing startx won't fix it21:44
tomtom123no but at least it would let me use the computer in graphic mode... and then read the log :)21:45
ikoniano you wouldn't21:46
ikoniaas it won't start....we already established that21:46
tomtom123anyways, nothing much in the xorg.log.old...21:50
tomtom123only thing I can find looks more like information than error, a few lines saying NVIDIA(GPU-0): Display (CMN (DFP-0)) does not support NVIDIA 3D Vision21:52
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