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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers!05:09
andyrockgood morning!06:46
liuxgwhen I build a Qt project, it shows me "Project ERROR: mlite5 development package not found".. what is the installation package for mlite5 on Ubuntu 16.04? thanks07:09
jameshliuxg: what is the project?07:10
liuxgjamesh, it is my company project :)07:10
jameshliuxg: I think the library you're looking for is https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/mlite -- I don't think it is packaged for Ubuntu though07:12
liuxgjamesh, do you have any clue what is the package for it? I searched on internet, some project also needs this.07:12
liuxgjamesh, yeah, you are right. we are a project based on the mer.07:13
jameshliuxg: there's an RPM spec file in that tree, where the summary reads "Useful classes originating from MeeGo Touch"07:13
liuxgjamesh, true. our system is derived from meego.07:13
jameshliuxg: you might have to build it yourself.07:16
jameshliuxg: I don't see any PPAs with it either.07:17
liuxgjamesh, yeah, let me see. thanks for your reply.07:17
seb128good morning desktopers07:42
duflu'lo seb128, all07:43
seb128hey duflu, how are you?08:02
dufluseb128: Going good, you?08:03
seb128I'm fine thanks, still not fully awake though08:03
dufluseb128: Same. But my weariness is graphics induced. Not child induced :)08:06
seb128haha08:12
seb128no Laney's greeting today?08:16
seb128I've a feeling he's feeling attracted toward London :p08:16
ogra_seb128, yeah, he just arrived :)08:28
dufluAnyone know what the gsettings trick to change the Gnome Shell scale is?08:34
dufluOK, Google knows08:36
seb128Trevinho would know also08:40
LaneyMOIN08:40
seb128but it's early for italians08:40
seb128oh, hey Laney!08:40
Laneyhey seb12808:40
Laneyhow's it going?08:40
seb128good08:40
seb128you? had a good trip?08:40
seb128how is London today?08:41
Laneygrey08:41
Laneyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/263729908:42
Laneyand this room we're in is really hot08:42
seb128bah08:43
seb128brb, grabbing some extra coffee08:43
Laneystill, nice to see everybody!08:43
Laneyhow are you?08:43
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seb128I'm good, a bit tired09:01
dufluThat's fun. The intel VAAPI driver maintainers are now suggesting I read my own wiki09:12
immuhi all09:13
dufluHello immu09:13
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mptTrevinho, hi, can you tell me a bit more detail about what kind of effects the lowgfx setting alters?12:43
mptIs it drop shadows, or animations, or blurs, or what?12:44
Trevinhompt: there's a good recap here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWUyP-oTRVg12:44
seb128good morning Trevinho!12:45
Trevinhohi seb12812:46
Trevinhohow are you?12:46
seb128Trevinho, good! you?12:46
mptexcellent, thanks12:46
Trevinhogood, just got some lunch and walk around my place in Florence...12:47
Trevinhoseb128: are you in coworking?12:47
seb128Trevinho, sorry for being picky on that review, I should perhaps just have acked it so we don't waste too much efforts since there are not going to be lot of artful unity users12:48
seb128Trevinho, not today, just having lunch/coffee outside, then going back in a bit12:49
seb128Trevinho, and you? where do you work from today?12:51
Trevinhoseb128: home too12:51
Trevinhoseb128: but I went to a local food stand here to get some very local sandwich12:52
seb128was it good?12:52
Trevinhoseb128: I love it... http://lampredotto.net/ :-D12:53
TrevinhoIt might not look good from the description, but trust me... it's amazing12:53
Trevinhonot much for summer, but i was missing it too much12:53
Trevinhoseb128: as per the review,  no problem.. it's something I wanted to do anyway as this is at this point is mostly xenial focused12:54
seb128I guess that's one of those places that don't look too attractive when you look at their website but where the food is great :-)12:56
Trevinhoseb128: well the website is just a genereal one. There's not just one place to get it. you get it in stands around the city and nearby. But really just in Florence area. You won't find it anywhere else in italy and hardly in Tuscany.12:58
seb128I see12:59
Trevinholooking good is not its thing... http://imgur.com/qdLyQGp.png But the taste... ohhhhhh <313:01
seb128:-)13:01
oSoMoNyummy, that sandwich looks good13:07
TrevinhooSoMoN: this might look worse https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Lampredotto_sandwich.JPG :-D13:08
Trevinhoit's one of the stomaches of the cow... So, might look weird.13:08
seb128brb13:10
mdeslauruhm, yuck :)13:10
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Trevinhomdeslaur: no tust me: paradise... Well unless you don't eat meat.13:11
mdeslaurTrevinho: I'd probably like it, as long as nobody told me it was the stomache :)13:11
mdeslaurs/the/one of the/13:12
Trevinhomdeslaur: cow has 4 of them, it's easy to pick one13:12
* mdeslaur bites down on cow magnet13:14
Trevinhompt: thanks for the info, as for the radios, you want them inline?13:17
mptTrevinho, horizontal? Yes please13:17
Trevinhompt: and what about separators?13:18
mptIt’s okay for a group of radio buttons to be horizontal when there are only two of them13:18
Trevinhook, as I thought it was breaking a little the symmetry (probably the only thing which that panel has)13:18
Trevinhompt: visual effects... I keep it bold?13:20
mptSeparators and bold are where we have to weigh up consistency, vs. the awfulness of the design of the rest of the panel13:21
Trevinhompt: I mean, how do I mix that in the rest?13:22
mptyeah13:22
mptTrevinho, I would say, keep the separator, because (unfortunately) if we don’t add one, it will look as if it’s related to the menu settings13:23
Trevinhompt: also I wouldn't use "Hight", but just "normal" or "default"13:23
mptTrevinho, but no bold. There shouldn’t have been any bold in this panel in the first place. In this case we can get away without it because there are already some settings that don’t use bold (workspaces and desktop icon).13:24
mptTrevinho, “Low” and “Normal” would make sense IF you knew that the value that wasn’t “Low” used to be the only possible value. But I’m designing for people who don’t know the history. :-)13:27
Trevinhompt: then instead of "low", something like "optimized for lowend devices", said it well?13:28
Trevinhos/well/better13:28
mptTrevinho, that would make it more obvious, if it was the only reason for you to toggle it. But you might also toggle it to save battery, or because you often get motion sickness.13:31
TrevinhoOk, as you wish... I just don't think "high" is really an "high" level of effects, but it's fine :)13:32
TrevinhoMedium maybe :-D13:32
mptI’d happily call it “Medium” if we also had a “High” with wobbly windows and fire and lasers13:33
Trevinhoyeah, someone wanted to do that too13:33
Trevinhobut I guess it won't happen, nor it will change13:33
Trevinhompt: is this ok? I don't ove the fact that the description isn't aligned to the radio, but that's because the radio is an image... And i can define a left margin value, but that might be not true for other themes :-/ https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xDhbihdZ/13:49
mptTrevinho, please add as much vertical padding around this section as there is around the first and second sections13:50
Trevinhook13:51
mptTrevinho, please also add some space between the radio buttons and the caption below13:52
Trevinhoyep13:52
Trevinhompt: better? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/25Vufs1J/14:08
mptTrevinho, yes, thank you14:08
Trevinhompt: I might also redesign inline the "shoe menus" part...  But, at this point it's probably a waste14:09
mptTrevinho, well, if you’re bored, I could give you a dozen other things to fix in that panel14:09
Trevinhompt: not really bored :-), but I whish we had it fixed at the golden unity7 times14:10
mptYeah, I did this way back in 2014: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Appearance?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=launcher-and-menus.png14:10
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mptAnd for Unity 8 I worked with a visual designer on this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Appearance?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=launcher-settings.wide.mockup.png14:11
seb128Trevinho, mpt, it looks a bit weird that the menus options use a bold label without ":" and that the visual effect is a different style14:11
Trevinhompt: these are way better indeed14:11
Trevinhowell, especially the u8 is cool14:12
seb128cyphermox_, hey, did you get anywhere with the n-m/nplan mtu issue?14:12
Trevinhoas for the ucc, yeah.. it would have better to have a different panel instead of the ucc one... I think I had enough things to do at the time to work on the ucc side though.14:13
mptseb128, Trevinho: I’m guessing that adding the missing “:” to the other settingswould break the translations. But removing the bold wouldn’t.14:13
Trevinhompt: my, also removing the bold would14:13
mptoh, shame14:13
Trevinhoas it's using markup14:13
Trevinhompt: can you approve the MP too?14:25
Trevinhoand seb128 for the code side14:26
mptdone14:27
seb128Trevinho, done14:28
Trevinhota14:32
robert_ancellflexiondotorg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24963735/14:42
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seb128it's meeting time!15:30
seb128hey everyone15:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2017-06-2715:30
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seb128Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, heber, kenvandine(out), laney(out), oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)15:30
Trevinhoo/15:31
jibelhi o/15:31
hebero/15:31
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jbichao/15:32
oSoMoNo/15:32
seb128seems like most people arrived, let's get started then!15:32
seb128#topic andyrock15:32
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seb128andyrock, hey15:32
andyrock# Coding the demo for update-manager to show canonical-livepatch status/fixes15:32
andyrock# Prototyping an API to get info about CVE using canonical-livepatch daemon15:32
andyrock# Coordinating with security team with possible solution to the problem of retrieving CVE info15:32
andyrock#eow15:33
seb128thanks andyrock15:33
seb128#topic dgadomski15:33
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seb128dgadomski, hey15:33
dgadomskihey15:33
dgadomski* still working on disabling WiFi Direct for iwlwifi devices15:33
dgadomski* looking into a samba issue that's most probably a manifestation of upstream https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1286015:33
dgadomski* working on a landscape&do-release-upgrade conflict (bug #1699179)15:33
ubot5bugzilla.samba.org bug 12860 in File services "CVE-2017-2619 regression with non-wide symlinks to directories" [Normal,Assigned]15:33
ubot5bug 1699179 in landscape-client (Ubuntu) "PackageReporter kicks in during do-release-upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169917915:33
dgadomskieof15:33
seb128dgadomski, thanks15:33
seb128#topic didrocks15:34
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seb128didrocks,  hey, is your wifi good enough atm to paste your update?15:34
seb128seems not :p15:34
seb128or maybe15:34
seb128didrocks, your turn if you want to copy and if wifi lets you15:34
didrockshey, let's see :)15:34
seb128:-)15:35
didrocks* Reintroduce ubuntu session as default gnome session (alongside to a new wayland session). Coordinate with other packages to ensure gnome-session isn't installed on desktop by default anymore. Ensure smooth upgrade story (almost done, need the gdm part still for Ubuntu GNOME).15:35
didrocksWe now have (or rather, will have):15:35
didrocksUbuntu session == G-S with Ubuntu tweaks15:35
didrocksGnome session == upstream vanilla G-S and themes15:35
didrocksUnity session == Unity7 session15:35
didrocksMade several tests on a VM.15:35
didrocks* Handle the whole migration/default seeding/hard to transition due on pep8 autopkgtests failing (fixed update-notifier)15:35
didrocks* Talked about theme snaps on reddit15:35
didrocks* Gave some guidance on tutorials.ubuntu.com code.15:35
didrocks* Reviewed and merge Ken's desktop helper instructions and additional path for new GNOME platform snap.15:35
didrocks* Still some debugging with Amazon GG team. Finally got it to work! Confirming it's a bug on their side though and would require changing /etc/resolv.conf, which we can't :) Asked them for an ETA before publishing a snap.15:35
didrocks* Worked with olli on preparing Linux Tage near Stuttgart. Helping on the workshop, prepared a technical slide deck content and retested our tutorials.15:35
didrocks* Currently thus in Germany delivering this ^. Will be back tomorrow (arriving home late)!15:35
didrocks.15:35
seb128wooot15:35
seb128seems like it worked15:35
didrocks\o/15:35
seb128didrocks, thanks, and good luck with the remaining part of the trip15:35
seb128#topic duflu15:36
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seb128* Video acceleration:15:36
seb128  - Lots more testing and investigation.15:36
seb128  - Started to figure out the FFmpeg source, and how hwaccel is meant to work (and why the source code exists but nobody is getting acceleration).15:36
seb128  - Made some progress with Intel in figuring out why Wayland seems broken (that will be one of the first bugs to fix).15:36
seb128  - Enhanced the documentation with much new wisdom: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelQuickSyncVideo15:36
seb128* BlueZ:15:36
seb128  - More refinement of the git layout: https://git.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/bluez15:36
seb128* PulseAudio:15:36
seb128  - SRU of A2DP Bluetooth audio fixes to xenial (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1582213):15:36
seb128    . Finally entered proposed after 4 weeks.15:36
seb128    . Tested and verified the proposed packages.15:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1582213 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Xenial) "[xenial] Bluetooth device doesn't play any sound in A2DP mode unless set to HSP/HFP first" [High,Fix committed]15:36
seb128* Other audio:15:36
seb128  - Spent more time trying to verify test fixes for XPS 13 audio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/165444815:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1654448 in linux (Ubuntu) "XPS 13 9360 and 9350, Realtek ALC3246, Headphone audio hiss" [Medium,In progress]15:36
seb128* Gnome Shell graphical bugs:15:36
seb128  - Fix Released one: https://launchpad.net/bugs/169361315:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1693613 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Ambiance/Radiance headerbar has more padding on top than on bottom" [Medium,Fix released]15:36
seb128  - Work in progress on another: https://launchpad.net/bugs/169315515:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1693155 in Ubuntu theme "Distorted blurry battery indicator in gnome-shell (using ubuntu-mono icons at default low-DPI scale 1.0)" [Undecided,In progress]15:36
seb128#topic jbicha15:36
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seb128jbicha, hey15:36
jbicha• Updated bijiben to 3.24 (& worked with upstream on build failure). 3.24 now uses Webkit215:37
jbicha• Updated orca to 3.2415:37
jbicha• Backported meson fix to fix budgie-desktop FTBFS on artful15:37
jbicha• Backported fix so that the Add-ons subcategories show up in GNOME Software on artful15:37
jbicha• Backported gnome-session workaround to artful for GOA not working after logout (LP: #1610944) Trying to SRU to zesty too.15:37
ubot5Launchpad bug 1610944 in gnome-session (Ubuntu Yakkety) "GNOME Online Accounts breaks if you log out (until you reboot)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161094415:37
jbicha• Helped debian-in with the Lohit font update (with appstream)15:37
jbicha• Helped with hunspell transition (now blocked on libreoffice/i386 test failures)15:37
jbichaeof15:37
seb128thanks jbicha15:37
seb128#topic jamesh15:37
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seb128Wrote patch to get gnome-software to display a warning on the details15:37
seb128page for classic snaps.  Needs review, but will let us add support for15:37
seb128classic snap installation.15:37
seb128Working on better support for picking which app to launch for snaps15:37
seb128that define multiple commands.15:37
seb128Followed up on upstreaming of gnome-builder snap plugin.  I asked the15:37
seb128snappy folks to add the Snapcraft feature request to the agenda of the15:37
seb128sprint.15:37
seb128Nothing new to report on xdg-desktop-portal either.  I asked for the15:37
seb128per-user bind mounts issue to be discussed at the Snappy sprint too.15:38
seb128#topic jibel15:38
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seb128jibel, hey15:38
jibel* Evaluated gnome-battery-bench for power testing.15:38
jibel* Triaged bug 169875215:38
ubot5bug 1698752 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity is still installed after standard desktop 17.10 installation" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169875215:38
jibel* Investigating automated installer tests broken after the switch to gnome session by default (June 20th) - bug 1700557 - This issue blocks all the automated tests on desktop.15:38
ubot5bug 1700557 in linux (Ubuntu) "VM doesn't boot after installation until an input event is received" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170055715:38
jibel* Updated ubuntu-system-tests trunk for running tests on qemu desktop VMs.15:38
jibel* Creating Jenkins job for running post-install tests after ubiquity ones.15:38
jibel* Enable flake8 and selftests for ubuntu-system-tests CI.15:38
jibel...15:38
jibeldone, the bot was slow15:38
seb128haha15:39
seb128thanks jibel15:39
seb128#topic heber15:39
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seb128heber, hey, do you have anything to share or is the update common with jibel, I'm never sure15:39
jibelsame as mine15:39
heberhey! Actually jibel already provide the whole status for QA15:39
jibelI pasted for qa15:39
heberthanks!15:39
jibelunless heber wants to add something of course :)15:40
heberno atm15:40
seb128right15:40
seb128thanks heber, jibel15:40
seb128#topic kenvandine15:40
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seb128* Published gnome-3-24 snap in stable channel15:40
seb128* Submitted branch to snapcraft-desktop-helpers to handle the update to gnome-3-24 platform, which has been merged15:40
seb128* Worked on the LightDM -> GDM3 transition and determined our initial strategy might be too hard on flavors and existing users.  Sent an email with some ideas to ubuntu-devel list, and got some great feedback.  I think the best approach is:15:40
seb128  - In ubuntu-session postinst, check the current session for all users and if any of them are set to 'ubuntu' switch the default to GDM3.15:40
seb128  - Make gdm3 depend on ubuntu-session to ensure ubuntu-session postinst is run before gdm3 is configured.  Leaving the prompt in gdm3, which is only shown if gdm3 isn't set as the default already.15:41
seb128#topic Llaney15:41
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seb128ups15:41
seb128#topic Laney15:41
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seb128• Even more work on gnome-software. 3.25.3 is available in a PPA: ci-train-ppa-service/2820 - try it. I propose to upload it this week.15:41
seb128∘ also uploaded to exp15:41
seb128∘ merge the asgen with type=codec support upstream15:41
seb128∘ deploy this in Ubuntu15:41
seb128• sync fwupd15:41
seb128• upload glib to exp and artful15:41
seb128• autopkgtest:15:41
seb128∘ babysit the runners after the recent slam - some retries15:41
seb128∘ implement a fix to try to avoid orphaned 'running' tests15:41
seb128• visit London and have some discussions about snap / desktop15:41
seb128• Upload meson fix for gir stuff15:41
seb128😲15:42
seb128#topic oSoMoN15:42
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seb128oSoMoN, hey15:42
oSoMoN• updated chromium stable to 59.0.3071.109, pending Chris' validation15:42
oSoMoN• updated chromium beta to 60.0.3112.32 then 60.0.3112.4015:42
oSoMoN• updated chromium dev to 61.0.3135.415:42
oSoMoN• filed and investigating bug #170069215:42
ubot5bug 1700692 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "FTBFS on i386: dbaccess_RowSetClones unit test segfaults" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170069215:42
oSoMoN• looked into bug #1585863, it appears the SRU to xenial is not needed but Four_Dollars says otherwise, meeting scheduled on Thursday to discuss further with Tony15:42
ubot5bug 1585863 in OEM Priority Project xenial "WiFi malfunction after suspend & resume stress - sudo wpa_cli scan required to fix it." [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158586315:42
oSoMoN• built and tested libreoffice 5.3.3 classic snap, got some testing feedback from Seb15:42
oSoMoN• looking into packaging libreoffice 5.4.0 RC1 (already in debian)15:42
oSoMoN15:42
seb128oSoMoN, thanks15:43
seb128#topic seb12815:43
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seb128• started enabling arftul langpacks (no debs generated yet though)15:44
seb128• reviewed & discussed modemmanager SRU (backporting support for new hardware)15:44
seb128• debugged nplan/n-m autopkgtest issues15:44
seb128• fixed some issues on the version pages15:44
seb128• some artful syncs/merges/updates15:44
seb128• tested daily iso/install15:44
seb128• tested libreoffice snap update15:44
seb128• reviewed u-c-c lowgfx changes from Tre_vinho15:44
seb128</week>15:44
seb128#topic tkamppeter15:44
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seb128tkamppeter, hey15:44
tkamppeter- cups-filters: Reviewed cups-browsed code and did many fixes and improvements to prevent crashes, like NULL checks, initializations, ...15:44
tkamppeter- system-config-printer: All my patches got accepted upstream, updated Ubuntu package.15:44
tkamppeter- Trello board: Added cards for all the items I am currently working on.15:44
tkamppeter- GNOME: Reported HiDPI bugs about too small mouse pointer and too small gedit text. bug 170008515:44
tkamppeter- Google Summer of Code 2017: Student project coordination and mentoring. Filled in forms for the first months student evaluations (the students I am mentoring pass, the other five OpenPrinting students will also pass according to reports in the last days).15:44
ubot5bug 1700085 in gnome-desktop (Ubuntu) "Mouse cursor is tiny on HiDPI screens" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170008515:44
tkamppeter- Bugs.15:44
tkamppeterbug 170009215:45
ubot5bug 1700092 in gnome-desktop (Ubuntu) "Text is tiny on HiDPI screens" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170009215:45
seb128thanks tkamppeter15:45
seb128#topic Trevinho15:46
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seb128Trevinho, hey!15:46
Trevinho· Working in fractional world15:46
Trevinho· Separated u-c-c changes to support multiple compiz profiles to the UI15:46
Trevinho· Updated the u-c-c UI with mpt design guidance15:46
Trevinho· Preparing some SRUs15:46
Trevinho· Attended QtDay Italy (in Florence), gave a talk about ubuntu-core and how to use it in iot/embedded world and how snapping Qt apps, Qml apps, how to use patched version of Qt in your snap with or without static linking (using my qtbuilder plugin, which I improved a bit and I should upstream at given point):15:46
Trevinho  - qtbuilder: https://gist.github.com/3v1n0/265d8f4d6502d411683edfdb9c7ffaa715:46
Trevinho  - talk slides: https://www.slideshare.net/3v1n0/introduzione-ad-ubuntu-core-qt-day-201715:46
Trevinho                 http://go.3v1n0.net/snapcraft-qt-examples15:46
Trevinho💃15:46
seb128thanks Trevinho15:46
seb128#topic robert_ancell15:46
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seb128robert_ancell is at a snappy sprint and didn't send his summary I think15:47
seb128#topic aob15:47
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seb128does anyone has another topic?15:47
seb128seems not?15:49
seb128let's wrap then, thanks everyone15:49
seb128#endmeeting15:49
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Jun 27 15:49:11 2017 UTC.15:49
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-06-27-15.30.moin.txt15:49
mptandyrock, hi. This is going to seem underwhelming, but: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=up-to-date-with-livepatches.png15:57
mptandyrock, I’ll update the settings UI design with account and error stuff tomorrow.15:58
andyrockmpt so no need to show the details of the updates15:58
andyrockor the status?15:59
andyrockbecause updates can fails etc15:59
mptI don’t see why we would list details of installed Livepatch updates when we don’t list details of installed non-Livepatch updates16:00
mptThough I could be persuaded otherwise :-)16:01
andyrockmpt so what about failures?16:04
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andyrockjust because I already implemented all the stuff for the demo16:05
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andyrock:D16:05
Trevinhoseb128: this is the backport in the mean time, if you want to reapprove... https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity-control-center/grouped-compiz-gsettings-support-x/+merge/32636616:25
Trevinhoor I'll do it :-D16:25
Trevinhoflexiondotorg: any particular commit you need to be backported in compiz xenial for mate?16:52
flexiondotorgTrevinho Sec...16:53
Trevinhoflexiondotorg: maybe commit 411716:54
Trevinhoper bug 1606369 ?16:54
ubot5bug 1606369 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Compiz ‘Thumbnail Window Previews’ artefacts (further fix +)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160636916:54
flexiondotorgCommit 410916:55
flexiondotorgCOmmit 411716:55
flexiondotorgCommit 411116:56
flexiondotorgTrevinho ^ And thanks for asking :-)16:56
Trevinhoflexiondotorg: as for 4109... mh, it doesn't apply clean not sure if that is a problem only with different metacity, let me check16:58
jbichaI tried to install a snap in Ubuntu GNOME 17.04 and it's warning me in Azerbaijani I guess https://bicha.net/i/snap-yuklemek.png18:06
muktupavelsjbicha: would you accept patch that adds settings to change Metacity theme in gnome-tweak-tool? Something like this - https://paste.ubuntu.com/24964911/18:29
jbichamuktupavels: what desktops support that setting?18:29
muktupavelsjbicha: GNOME Flashback18:30
jbichaI think we should only show that setting when Flashback (or other desktop that uses that setting is running)18:32
jbichaI don't like the Type switcher in that patch either18:33
muktupavelsI can change that and open also bug, just wanted to know if you would accept that.18:34
jbichabtw, aday thinks I should change "Shell" on that page to "System" but I've hesitated on that18:34
muktupavelsWhat do you not like about type switcher? code or setting?18:34
jbichamuktupavels: I don't know yet because I'd like to visualize it first, so maybe18:34
jbichathe UI18:34
jbichait doesn't match the other settings on that page18:35
jbichayou shouldn't have to use a combobox just to see the metacity setting, it should just be its own separate setting18:36
muktupavelsDo you have better idea? Metacity can load/use old metacity themes from metacity-1 and also GTK+ theme that is used by Mutter and CSD windows.18:36
jbichawhy would we want users to use Metacity themes if they could just use GTK themes?18:37
jbicha(I've now gone from "maybe" to "probably not") ;)18:38
muktupavelsIf I remember then users was not happy when mutter removed metacity themes. I did not want to remove them from metacity...18:40
muktupavelsAlso gtk-window-decorator use libmetacity to draw themes.18:41
jbichaI haven't used Flashback for years so I don't really understand how the themes work there18:44
jbichathat setting feels complicated, how have people been handling changing their theme for the past ~5 years?18:45
muktupavelsThat settings is not so old...18:45
muktupavelsYou can try to install metacity. Then just use `GTK_THEME=Adwaita metacity-theme-viewer`18:46
muktupavelsWith Ambiance theme headerbar is not visible... :(18:46
jbichaI'm still uncertain about this, but…18:49
jbichawhy not just an on/off switch to use a custom metacity theme and then a combobox to choose the metacity theme18:50
jbichaI don't think it's useful to have metacity use a different gtk theme than the regular gtk theme18:50
jbichawhen did you introduce these settings?18:51
muktupavelswhen gtk+ is selected then name should be disabled, it is not used in that case18:51
muktupavels3.2018:51
jbichaoh, it doesn't do that in your patch yet18:52
muktupavelsyes. I first wanted to know if I would not waste time...18:52
jbichathe gsettings value might have been a bit simpler as a regular string with like 'gtk' as a magic value18:53
jbichabut I don't think there's an easy way to migrate gsettings so never mind18:53
muktupavelsit is enum18:54
jbichamaybe your proposal could still present a single combobox with one of the options in the box be the GTK option18:54
jbichathat would make it look simpler to the user and match the other settings on that page18:56
jbicha(although it's more complex to code that)18:56
muktupavelsyes, currently it should work.18:56
jbichaI'm back to "maybe" now :)18:56
jbichabtw, it might be cool if Tweak Tool would be more visual in its theme chooser but I don't know what we want the UI to be for that18:57
jbichamaybe some sort of theme previewer18:57
muktupavelslibmetacity was updated in way that in future there might be other theme type, but I doubt that it will ever get that.18:58
muktupavelsdid you try metacity-theme-viewer?18:59
jbichayes18:59
muktupavelsand you want something similar in tweak tool?18:59
jbichaI don't know18:59
jbichathe theme settings go into effect immediately so maybe it's not needed?19:00
jbichamate-apperance-properties has a preview19:01
muktupavelsI dont have opinion about that...19:01
jbichaok, I wouldn't worry about that since we don't have a design yet19:04
muktupavelsSo you might accept patch that adds extra combobox? What about on/off switch + combobox, still valid option?19:04
jbichamuktupavels: I counter-offered with just one combobox with Use current GTK theme (or whatever) as one of the options in the box19:04
jbichaand please try to hide it when Flashback or metacity or whatever isn't running19:05
muktupavelsOk. When updated patch will be ready I will open new bug.19:05
jbichathanks!19:05
jbichabtw, you can also add metacity schemas as a run-time requirement in README19:06
muktupavelsI probably will check if running under GNOME-Flashback and metacity schema is available.19:06
muktupavelsI think that tweak tool should not require metacity schemas. :)19:09
jbichathat would be nice if that works since maybe someday tweak tool could be in main and metacity may be demoted to universe19:10
* jbicha works to demote metacity now :)19:14
* jbicha tries to bribe the Security Team to accept my MIRs by helping demote stuff to universe ;)19:15
mdeslaurhehe19:17
mdeslauryeah, all those metacity cves :)19:18
kenvandinejbicha, i like this plan19:18
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mitya57muktupavels, side note: please don’t use “except:” construction, because it will catch not-really-exceptions like KeyboardInterrupt or GeneratorExit.20:00
mitya57Please use “except SomeExceptionClass:” instead.20:00
muktupavelsmitya57: ok.20:01
mitya57muktupavels, also do you know some real world metacity-1 themes? Those that I know are very old and look very ugly.20:03
muktupavelsmitya57: adapta-gtk-theme?20:04
muktupavelsmitya57: do you think that we dont need setting for that?20:05
mitya57muktupavels, never tried it. Does it look worse when using it with GTK+ theme?20:06
muktupavelsI have not tried it... :P20:06
muktupavelsmitya57: "2. No GUI to change metacity theme."20:06
muktupavelsthat is from mailing list20:06
mitya57I think GTK+ themes are nowadays better quality than metacity-1 themes, as every theme designer wants to support CSD apps but not every designer wants to support Metacity.20:07
mitya57muktupavels, that complaint is coming from Ubuntu user where Metacity currently defaults to metacity-1 themes. But in 17.10 it will default to gtk.20:08
mitya57(I.e. in 17.04 the only way to change metacity theme is use dconf/gsettings. In 17.10 just change Gtk theme and Metacity theme will change too).20:09
muktupavelsmitya57: then better to not add setting? if user knows that he wants metacity theme it will know how to change that?20:09
muktupavelsWhat about gtk-window-decorator?20:10
mitya57muktupavels, how is gtk-window-decorator different from Metacity? Or it is not able to use GTK+ themes?20:11
muktupavelsIt should use same settings under GNOME-Flashback, GTK+ themes should work.20:12
mitya57So it is not different…20:12
mitya57I would say +0 for adding a setting. On one hand it will not have many users, on the other hand it won’t hurt either.20:12
jbichayeah, part of my concern is that I don't think theme devs care much about Metacity20:13
muktupavelsMetacity themes are used in MATE and probably in other desktops too, no?20:13
jbichaif that request is coming from a 16.04 user, then maybe the problem is already solved now20:13
jbichaflexiondotorg: ^ does MATE care about legacy Metacity themes?20:14
mitya57The problem will be solved with next Metacity upload/sync where I will drop the gsettings-override.20:14
muktupavelsMATE use marco that only supports old metacity-1 themes.20:14
mitya57Probably MATE/marco is the only reason why designers would add metacity-1 format to their themes. When marco adds GTK+ themes support or MATE switches to another WM that reason would be gone.20:35
GunnarHjjbicha: Thinking... Maybe it's better that I start to reply on the MP first, and then we can talk about it tomorrow.22:18
jbichaok22:19
GunnarHjjbicha: And yes, Europe work hours is fine. :) (You are in Eastern US, right?)22:20
jbichayes22:20
GunnarHjjbicha: Ok, let's talk tomorrow then. And, btw, congrats to being a core dev. :)22:21
jbichathank you22:22

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