[01:51] <hehehe> faq
[01:51] <hehehe> https://bubble.is/faq
[01:55] <sarnold> haha "built a twitter clone in four days"
[01:58] <hehehe> yes its possible
[01:58] <hehehe> do u have reasons to say otherwise?
[01:59] <hehehe> http://blog.appswithoutcode.com/2015/09/29/building-without-code-part-3-4/
[01:59]  * hehehe sticks fork in developers ass
[01:59] <hehehe> :)
[01:59] <hehehe> at last
[02:00] <hehehe> sarnold could it be that bubble currently is most powerful language?
[02:00] <hehehe> :))))
[02:43] <dpb1> bash is of course the most powerful.
[04:25] <waters33637_> Question: Iinstalled ubuntu core on my pi .. then installed pinano ... when i try and use pinano to edit a file i get a permissions error .. even if i use sudo ...but vi workd fine ... what am i missing?
[05:34] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:43] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:02] <hehehe> lordievader: did u code in bubble?
[12:03] <lordievader> Bubbble?
[12:03] <lordievader> -b
[12:28] <hehehe> lordievader:  yes bubble.is
[12:28] <hehehe> seems neat
[12:29] <lordievader> Blegh, point and click. Just give me vim.
[12:36] <hehehe> lol vim
[12:37] <hehehe> its way more powerful
[12:37] <hehehe> it replaces all codoing
[12:37] <hehehe> its new way to code
[12:46] <Ussat> new way to code....um, sure
[12:48] <hehehe> yez
[12:49] <hehehe> so 0 need to tech founders
[12:49] <hehehe> they have some showcase sites
[12:49] <hehehe> I just saw it recently and its a thing
[12:49] <hehehe> plus their version is closed, soon maybe open source
[12:50] <hehehe> 'I use similar product and dev speed is fast
[12:50] <hehehe> current ways to code nowdays in fact soon to become hobby land
[12:51] <hehehe> at least in saas and apps arena
[12:52] <Ussat> um...sure
[13:01] <hehehe> Ussat: https://valuemyplace.co.uk/
[13:01] <hehehe> bubble
[13:01] <hehehe> do u see any faults?
[13:01] <hehehe> i dont
[13:01] <hehehe> gosh people this is IT
[13:05] <lordievader> hehehe: No one is stopping you from coding in that language. Just don't think many programmers are waiting for a visual language.
[13:05] <cpaelzer> there might be many "people" waiting, but not who you'd already consider a classic programmer I'd think
[13:06] <cpaelzer> visual programming implies something visual - and working around ubuntu-server here most thinhs are not visual
[13:06] <cpaelzer> they are functional :-)
[13:07] <hehehe> u can drag and drop functionality
[13:07] <hehehe> visual building of logical network
[13:07] <cpaelzer> as a mindset: we took our interns the mouse away the first week to get them used to "the right way"
[13:08] <cpaelzer> damn touchscreens, can't take that away :-)
[13:08] <hehehe> cpaelzer: there are ways :) thats all
[13:08] <hehehe> whatever works
[13:08] <cpaelzer> ack on that
[13:08] <cpaelzer> different problems - different solutions
[13:08] <hehehe> first programming languages were made by geeks for geeks
[13:08] <hehehe> now there is new wave :D
[13:11] <hehehe> visual languages made by  visually oriebted people
[13:11] <hehehe> and most humans think in images
[13:11] <hehehe> so its pretty logical evolutionary step
[13:11] <hehehe> *oriented
[13:12] <hehehe> find - can be magnifying loop icon , | can be pipe icon
[13:12] <hehehe> visually represented syntax
[13:13] <hehehe> and visual logic
[13:13] <cpaelzer> I'll wait for the visually oriented network driver then
[13:15] <lordievader> Oe, can you see the packets fly by?
[13:15] <lordievader> And wave at them?
[13:17] <hehehe> visual logic blocks
[13:17] <hehehe> behind drag and drop
[13:26] <zetheroo> How does /etc/mysql/debian.cnf get it's credentials?
[13:39] <zetheroo> I am told that /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server is a 'debian thing' ... well it's not working (in Ubuntu 16.04)
[13:51] <rbasak> zetheroo: do you think it's a bug in Ubuntu 16.04 or a configuration issue. If you think it's a bug, is there a bug filed please?
[13:52] <rbasak> zetheroo: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf used to be written from the mysql-server-5.7.postinst. It may not be needed any more; I don't recall.
[13:52] <zetheroo> rbasak: I don't know what it is, except that I've been now to several channels and bascially am being sent around in a loop
[13:53] <rbasak> zetheroo: do you have steps to reproduce the problem?
[13:53] <zetheroo> yes, /etc/mysql/debian.cnf doesn't have the passwords in there but it also seems like it's not getting them automatically
[13:53] <zetheroo> and apparently one shouldn't edit it manually
[13:54] <rbasak> If you have steps to reproduce then please file a bug.
[13:54] <mdeslaur> cpaelzer: hi! do you have an exim4 merge planned soon?
[13:55] <zetheroo> I've just renamed the file /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server so hopefully it will stop mucking about ... also with logs which don't exist
[13:55] <zetheroo> and then spamming messages like https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24962955/
[13:58] <rbasak> root@localhost is supposed to use Unix domain socket authentication. Have you disabled that somehow?
[14:00] <zetheroo> rbasak: something about a socket rings a bell
[14:00] <zetheroo> where would that be set?
[14:01] <rbasak> Somewhere inside MySQL. I don't know the details, sorry.
[14:01] <rbasak> I believe there's a standard table or set of tables that control auth.
[14:04] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: no
[14:05] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: I thought we merged already this cycle
[14:05] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: let me check brain vs fact
[14:05] <mdeslaur> cpaelzer: there was a security update
[14:05] <cpaelzer> ah no sorry, was not on my map
[14:05] <cpaelzer> considered it done for artful so far
[14:06] <cpaelzer> so that sec stuff is in 4.89-3 ?
[14:08] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: I'd volunteer, but I'm off tomorrow and kids are sick - so maybe not this time
[14:09] <mdeslaur> cpaelzer: ok, I'll handle it, just didn't want to step on your toes, thanks!
[14:18] <zetheroo> rbasak: apparently because I am using mariadb the authentication socket thing doesn't apply!?
[14:18] <rbasak> On 16.04?
[14:18] <zetheroo> yes
[14:19] <rbasak> You could have said that before :-/
[14:19] <rbasak> Have you ever had MySQL installed on that system before?
[14:20] <zetheroo> might have initially had mysql installed ... can't be certain now
[14:20] <rbasak> There are known bugs in trying to switch between the two on the same system.
[14:21] <rbasak> Start by checking that /etc/mysql and /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server and the init scripts match what you'd get installing MariaDB on a fresh 16.04 system.
[14:21] <rbasak> As for the database itself, that may need fixing up too, but I don't know how. MariaDB people may know better.
[14:22] <zetheroo> and what if I just deleted that /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server file ...
[14:23] <rbasak> Then you wouldn't get log rotation and your disk will fill up in time.
[14:42] <zetheroo> alright, well I set the credentials manually in the debian.cnf file ...
[14:42] <zetheroo> will see if that worksover the next few days
[14:42] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc_: uh I just realized the libvirt git carries an empty directory
[14:42] <cpaelzer> I mean in git, not the tarball
[14:43] <cpaelzer> you might in regard to bug 1687057 want to check how they done that
[14:44] <rbasak> cpaelzer: does it have a dotfile in it?
[14:44] <rbasak> cpaelzer: or is it perhaps created by the build system and then .gitignored?
[14:44] <cpaelzer> rbasak: no dotfile and it is present right after git clone
[14:44] <cpaelzer> which is what made me realize it might be interesting
[14:44] <rbasak> cpaelzer: clone URL please?
[14:45] <cpaelzer> rbasak: git://libvirt.org/libvirt.git
[14:45] <rbasak> thanks
[14:45] <cpaelzer> it might be related to .gitmodules
[14:45] <cpaelzer> there is a submodule reffing to that path
[14:45] <cpaelzer> but then if that is "a trick" to store an empty dir we might as well generate that
[14:45] <cpaelzer> please have a look, I hope it inspires new ideas
[14:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: also did you see on -devel there is actually a solution to the package version question I had
[14:48] <cpaelzer> via dh_gencontrol -- -v
[14:48] <cpaelzer> just FYI
[15:29] <emora> Running 4.3.11 on Ubuntu Server 16.04. I have poor performance with high iowait. dmbd will often be >90% with very high %util on disk device. System iowait reaches averages of 20 or 30% regularly.
[15:29] <emora> Disk transfer rates are very good.
[15:29] <emora> Any suggestions on what could be causing it to block and wait?
[15:29] <nacc> emora: that's not an ubuntu kernel
[15:30] <emora> The machine has a Supermicro AOC LSI 3108 RAID controller
[15:30] <emora> Its ubuntu server 16.04 -  Build host:  Linux lgw01-50 4.4.0-78-generic #99-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 27 15:29:09 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:30] <nacc> emora: then why did you say 4.3.11?
[15:31] <nacc> emora: wait, that's the build host, not your host.
[15:31] <emora> Sorry, meant to say Samba 4.3.11
[15:31] <emora> uname -a = 4.4.0-78-generic #99-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 27 15:29:09 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:35] <emora> disk performance seems very unstable
[15:36] <emora> a dd with a block size of 1G  will show anything from 350 to 800 MB/s
[15:37] <emora> hdparm 8060.38 MB/sec cached and 821.66 MB/sec buffered
[15:39] <emora> network throughput (measured with iperf) hits 45 Gbps
[15:40] <emora> The high iowait and high %util on the block devices makes me think it's disk related
[15:40] <emora> any suggestions?
[15:41] <emora> aside from system (kworker) the only process that shows io latency is smbd
[16:28] <nacc> rbasak: the src:git error is a pristine-tar failure. So it's blocked by that (reproduces with just pristine-tar in my new branch as well). LP: #1699887
[16:32] <rbasak> Interesting. Thanks!
[16:35] <nacc> rbasak: i've filed a bug (linked there) with debian already, just waiting to hear back
[19:05] <redvic> greetings,
[19:05] <redvic> firefox and chrome have declared localhost insecure and not encrypted thus can not access cups please help
[19:09] <nacc> redvic: are you trying to navigate to https://localhost:631 ?
[19:09] <nacc> redvic: as opposed to http://localhost:631
[19:12] <redvic> nacc, just localhost I will try with https
[19:13] <nacc> redvic: well, i was just checking, here on 17.10 on my laptop, i'm able to navigate to http://localhost:631 without warning and https: prompts correctly that it can't verify the cert
[19:13] <nacc> redvic: works in both firefox and chrome.
[19:15] <redvic> nacc, if i use https it works asks for security exception but at least it works http fails
[19:15] <nacc> redvic: what version of ubuntu?
[19:15] <redvic> 16.04 LTS I only use LTS
[19:15] <dpb1> we don't trust the snakeoil cert by default.  this is expected
[19:15] <dpb1> ?
[19:16] <Poster> afaik it is just a self signed certificate to get you started
[19:36] <nacc> redvic: ok, let me see if i can reproduce it
[19:38] <nacc> redvic: in a 16.04 VM, http://localhost:631 works fine
[19:38] <nacc> redvic: in FF. Can you take a screenshot?
[19:40] <redvic> nacc, i am new to irc can you explain FF
[19:40] <nacc> redvic: Firefox
[19:43] <redvic> nacc, oh ok where do I send the screenshot?
[19:43] <nacc> !imgur | redvic
[19:44] <nacc> !screenshots | redvic
[19:45] <redvic> ubottu, thx screen shot no prop easy to do, like i said new to irc
[19:49] <redvic> nacc, http://imgur.com/a/VyEK7
[20:03] <redvic> nacc, did you check?
[20:30] <hehehe> hi
[20:31] <hehehe> is it wise to conf server to auto update?
[20:31] <hehehe> I dont want to upgrade from 16 to 17 but update
[20:31] <hehehe> for security
[20:35] <nacc> redvic: looking, sorry was away from keyboard
[20:36] <nacc> hehehe: auto update? as in `sudo apt update`? That won't upgrade any packages, just cahnges the package list locally
[20:38] <nacc> redvic: hrm, that's not a security emssage
[20:38] <nacc> redvic: it says there is no webserver listening on 631
[20:38] <dpb1> hehehe: I recommend auto-updating, yes
[20:38] <dpb1> hehehe: it's the reason we have it on by default in 16.04 new installs
[20:48] <hehehe> dpb1: nice
[20:48] <hehehe> how I can check if its enabled by default  on mine?
[20:49] <hehehe> just to be 100% sure
[20:50] <dpb1> sudo dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
[20:51] <hehehe> ty
[20:51] <hehehe> and is there a way similar to somehow detect dodgy things like keyloggers
[20:52] <hehehe> *a way to
[21:13] <redvic> nacc, thanks alot
[21:14] <nacc> redvic: did you figure it out?
[21:22] <hallyn> kirkland: where should one file bugs against manpages.ubuntu.com?
[21:22] <kirkland> hallyn: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manpage-repository
[21:23] <hallyn> cool thx
[21:23] <hallyn> (cf bug 1700812)
[21:24] <hallyn> linked