=== gh0st is now known as Guest638 === hehehe_off is now known as hehehe === gh0st is now known as Guest11616 [01:51] faq [01:51] https://bubble.is/faq [01:55] haha "built a twitter clone in four days" [01:58] yes its possible [01:58] do u have reasons to say otherwise? [01:59] http://blog.appswithoutcode.com/2015/09/29/building-without-code-part-3-4/ [01:59] * hehehe sticks fork in developers ass [01:59] :) [01:59] at last [02:00] sarnold could it be that bubble currently is most powerful language? [02:00] :)))) === gh0st is now known as Guest13559 [02:43] bash is of course the most powerful. === gh0st is now known as Guest90296 === gh0st is now known as Guest72102 [04:25] Question: Iinstalled ubuntu core on my pi .. then installed pinano ... when i try and use pinano to edit a file i get a permissions error .. even if i use sudo ...but vi workd fine ... what am i missing? [05:34] good morning [05:43] Good morning === genpaku_ is now known as genpaku === akaWolf1 is now known as akaWolf === logan_ is now known as logan- === fnordahl_ is now known as fnordahl === _ruben_ is now known as _ruben === ahasenac` is now known as ahasenack === ahasenack is now known as Guest52111 [12:02] lordievader: did u code in bubble? [12:03] Bubbble? [12:03] -b [12:28] lordievader: yes bubble.is [12:28] seems neat [12:29] Blegh, point and click. Just give me vim. === efm__ is now known as efm [12:36] lol vim [12:37] its way more powerful [12:37] it replaces all codoing [12:37] its new way to code [12:46] new way to code....um, sure [12:48] yez [12:49] so 0 need to tech founders [12:49] they have some showcase sites [12:49] I just saw it recently and its a thing [12:49] plus their version is closed, soon maybe open source [12:50] 'I use similar product and dev speed is fast [12:50] current ways to code nowdays in fact soon to become hobby land [12:51] at least in saas and apps arena [12:52] um...sure [13:01] Ussat: https://valuemyplace.co.uk/ [13:01] bubble [13:01] do u see any faults? [13:01] i dont [13:01] gosh people this is IT [13:05] hehehe: No one is stopping you from coding in that language. Just don't think many programmers are waiting for a visual language. [13:05] there might be many "people" waiting, but not who you'd already consider a classic programmer I'd think [13:06] visual programming implies something visual - and working around ubuntu-server here most thinhs are not visual [13:06] they are functional :-) [13:07] u can drag and drop functionality [13:07] visual building of logical network [13:07] as a mindset: we took our interns the mouse away the first week to get them used to "the right way" [13:08] damn touchscreens, can't take that away :-) [13:08] cpaelzer: there are ways :) thats all [13:08] whatever works [13:08] ack on that [13:08] different problems - different solutions [13:08] first programming languages were made by geeks for geeks [13:08] now there is new wave :D [13:11] visual languages made by visually oriebted people [13:11] and most humans think in images [13:11] so its pretty logical evolutionary step [13:11] *oriented [13:12] find - can be magnifying loop icon , | can be pipe icon [13:12] visually represented syntax [13:13] and visual logic [13:13] I'll wait for the visually oriented network driver then [13:15] Oe, can you see the packets fly by? [13:15] And wave at them? [13:17] visual logic blocks [13:17] behind drag and drop [13:26] How does /etc/mysql/debian.cnf get it's credentials? === hehehe is now known as hehehe_off [13:39] I am told that /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server is a 'debian thing' ... well it's not working (in Ubuntu 16.04) === rharper` is now known as rharper [13:51] zetheroo: do you think it's a bug in Ubuntu 16.04 or a configuration issue. If you think it's a bug, is there a bug filed please? [13:52] zetheroo: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf used to be written from the mysql-server-5.7.postinst. It may not be needed any more; I don't recall. [13:52] rbasak: I don't know what it is, except that I've been now to several channels and bascially am being sent around in a loop [13:53] zetheroo: do you have steps to reproduce the problem? [13:53] yes, /etc/mysql/debian.cnf doesn't have the passwords in there but it also seems like it's not getting them automatically [13:53] and apparently one shouldn't edit it manually [13:54] If you have steps to reproduce then please file a bug. [13:54] cpaelzer: hi! do you have an exim4 merge planned soon? [13:55] I've just renamed the file /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server so hopefully it will stop mucking about ... also with logs which don't exist [13:55] and then spamming messages like https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24962955/ [13:58] root@localhost is supposed to use Unix domain socket authentication. Have you disabled that somehow? [14:00] rbasak: something about a socket rings a bell [14:00] where would that be set? [14:01] Somewhere inside MySQL. I don't know the details, sorry. [14:01] I believe there's a standard table or set of tables that control auth. [14:04] mdeslaur: no [14:05] mdeslaur: I thought we merged already this cycle [14:05] mdeslaur: let me check brain vs fact [14:05] cpaelzer: there was a security update [14:05] ah no sorry, was not on my map [14:05] considered it done for artful so far === MAbeeTT_ is now known as MAbeeTT [14:06] so that sec stuff is in 4.89-3 ? [14:08] mdeslaur: I'd volunteer, but I'm off tomorrow and kids are sick - so maybe not this time [14:09] cpaelzer: ok, I'll handle it, just didn't want to step on your toes, thanks! [14:18] rbasak: apparently because I am using mariadb the authentication socket thing doesn't apply!? [14:18] On 16.04? [14:18] yes [14:19] You could have said that before :-/ [14:19] Have you ever had MySQL installed on that system before? [14:20] might have initially had mysql installed ... can't be certain now [14:20] There are known bugs in trying to switch between the two on the same system. [14:21] Start by checking that /etc/mysql and /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server and the init scripts match what you'd get installing MariaDB on a fresh 16.04 system. [14:21] As for the database itself, that may need fixing up too, but I don't know how. MariaDB people may know better. [14:22] and what if I just deleted that /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server file ... [14:23] Then you wouldn't get log rotation and your disk will fill up in time. [14:42] alright, well I set the credentials manually in the debian.cnf file ... [14:42] will see if that worksover the next few days [14:42] rbasak: nacc_: uh I just realized the libvirt git carries an empty directory [14:42] I mean in git, not the tarball [14:43] you might in regard to bug 1687057 want to check how they done that [14:43] bug 1687057 in dgit (Debian) "git cannot represent empty directories by default" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1687057 [14:44] cpaelzer: does it have a dotfile in it? [14:44] cpaelzer: or is it perhaps created by the build system and then .gitignored? [14:44] rbasak: no dotfile and it is present right after git clone [14:44] which is what made me realize it might be interesting [14:44] cpaelzer: clone URL please? [14:45] rbasak: git://libvirt.org/libvirt.git [14:45] thanks [14:45] it might be related to .gitmodules [14:45] there is a submodule reffing to that path [14:45] but then if that is "a trick" to store an empty dir we might as well generate that [14:45] please have a look, I hope it inspires new ideas [14:47] rbasak: also did you see on -devel there is actually a solution to the package version question I had [14:48] via dh_gencontrol -- -v [14:48] just FYI === strsccgms is now known as gg_ === nacc_ is now known as nacc [15:29] Running 4.3.11 on Ubuntu Server 16.04. I have poor performance with high iowait. dmbd will often be >90% with very high %util on disk device. System iowait reaches averages of 20 or 30% regularly. [15:29] Disk transfer rates are very good. [15:29] Any suggestions on what could be causing it to block and wait? [15:29] emora: that's not an ubuntu kernel [15:30] The machine has a Supermicro AOC LSI 3108 RAID controller === rypervenche_ is now known as rypervenche [15:30] Its ubuntu server 16.04 - Build host: Linux lgw01-50 4.4.0-78-generic #99-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 27 15:29:09 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [15:30] emora: then why did you say 4.3.11? [15:31] emora: wait, that's the build host, not your host. [15:31] Sorry, meant to say Samba 4.3.11 [15:31] uname -a = 4.4.0-78-generic #99-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 27 15:29:09 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [15:35] disk performance seems very unstable === dpb1_ is now known as dpb1 [15:36] a dd with a block size of 1G will show anything from 350 to 800 MB/s === danpawlik is now known as danpawlik_afk [15:37] hdparm 8060.38 MB/sec cached and 821.66 MB/sec buffered [15:39] network throughput (measured with iperf) hits 45 Gbps [15:40] The high iowait and high %util on the block devices makes me think it's disk related [15:40] any suggestions? [15:41] aside from system (kworker) the only process that shows io latency is smbd === Guest52111 is now known as ahasenack [16:28] rbasak: the src:git error is a pristine-tar failure. So it's blocked by that (reproduces with just pristine-tar in my new branch as well). LP: #1699887 [16:28] Launchpad bug 1699887 in usd-importer "src:git fails to import due to `gbp import-orig` failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699887 [16:32] Interesting. Thanks! [16:35] rbasak: i've filed a bug (linked there) with debian already, just waiting to hear back === jerichowasahoax` is now known as jerichowasahoax [19:05] greetings, [19:05] firefox and chrome have declared localhost insecure and not encrypted thus can not access cups please help [19:09] redvic: are you trying to navigate to https://localhost:631 ? [19:09] redvic: as opposed to http://localhost:631 [19:12] nacc, just localhost I will try with https [19:13] redvic: well, i was just checking, here on 17.10 on my laptop, i'm able to navigate to http://localhost:631 without warning and https: prompts correctly that it can't verify the cert [19:13] redvic: works in both firefox and chrome. [19:15] nacc, if i use https it works asks for security exception but at least it works http fails [19:15] redvic: what version of ubuntu? [19:15] 16.04 LTS I only use LTS [19:15] we don't trust the snakeoil cert by default. this is expected [19:15] ? [19:16] afaik it is just a self signed certificate to get you started === Epx998- is now known as Epx998 [19:36] redvic: ok, let me see if i can reproduce it [19:38] redvic: in a 16.04 VM, http://localhost:631 works fine [19:38] redvic: in FF. Can you take a screenshot? [19:40] nacc, i am new to irc can you explain FF [19:40] redvic: Firefox [19:43] nacc, oh ok where do I send the screenshot? [19:43] !imgur | redvic [19:44] !screenshots | redvic [19:44] redvic: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imgur.com/ and link the created page here. [19:45] ubottu, thx screen shot no prop easy to do, like i said new to irc [19:45] redvic: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:49] nacc, http://imgur.com/a/VyEK7 [20:03] nacc, did you check? === hehehe_off is now known as hehehe [20:30] hi [20:31] is it wise to conf server to auto update? [20:31] I dont want to upgrade from 16 to 17 but update [20:31] for security [20:35] redvic: looking, sorry was away from keyboard [20:36] hehehe: auto update? as in `sudo apt update`? That won't upgrade any packages, just cahnges the package list locally [20:38] redvic: hrm, that's not a security emssage [20:38] redvic: it says there is no webserver listening on 631 [20:38] hehehe: I recommend auto-updating, yes [20:38] hehehe: it's the reason we have it on by default in 16.04 new installs [20:48] dpb1: nice [20:48] how I can check if its enabled by default on mine? [20:49] just to be 100% sure [20:50] sudo dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades [20:51] ty [20:51] and is there a way similar to somehow detect dodgy things like keyloggers [20:52] *a way to [21:13] nacc, thanks alot [21:14] redvic: did you figure it out? [21:22] kirkland: where should one file bugs against manpages.ubuntu.com? [21:22] hallyn: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manpage-repository [21:23] cool thx [21:23] (cf bug 1700812) [21:23] bug 1700812 in libcap2 (Ubuntu) "pam_cap is provided by the libpam-cap package on x86_64 xenial" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1700812 [21:24] linked === Epx998- is now known as Epx998