[00:00] <Maynard420> It simply creates another bootable liveusb again and not intalling it.
[00:01] <Bashing-om> transhuman_: pastebin ' lspci -vnn | grep -i VGA  ' and I will cross that result to the proper recommended driver .
[00:02] <Maynard420> Go Bashing!
[00:02] <Maynard420> lol
[00:03] <Bashing-om> Maynard420: Honestly - choosing to install from the intall menu. I can not imagine what could be causing a copy of the installer to the internal drive .
[00:03] <Maynard420> I'm beginning to wonder what will happen to a 17'' laptop at 100+MPH?
[00:04] <Bashing-om> Maynard420: :) .. surely can not be the lappie at fault .
[00:04] <Maynard420> Bashing-om: I'm right there with you.  I don't get it.  I even went so far as to go alllll the way back to 14.04
[00:04] <Maynard420> No it's not....but it might make me feel better.
[00:05] <transhuman_> its the 340 found it already (which is what I already installed but it seems to freeze and mouse never appears
[00:05] <Maynard420> I have been sans pc for over a month now.  FINALLY got somewhere to get my .iso checked and all's well.
[00:05] <transhuman_> )
[00:06] <transhuman_> going to try and install from the source package from terminal as root
[00:06] <Maynard420> Bashing-om: You must be an Aussie.
[00:06] <Maynard420> Lappie lolol
[00:06] <Maynard420> I Love my Oz n Kiwi friends
[00:07] <Bashing-om> Maynard420: Maybe they ( Aussies ) evolved from my stock ? .. be an Arkansas Ridge Runner .
[00:08] <Maynard420> BWAAAAAAAHAHAHA!  I've NEVER heard an american call em lappies/lappys
[00:09] <Maynard420> So no one has a clue here?  I figured out most of the bugs in 16.10 through forums and askubuntu.  This one's got nothing though.
[00:09] <Maynard420> this (question)*
[00:09] <blkadder> Much better than nappies.
[00:10] <Maynard420> I prefer wippies.
[00:13] <Maynard420> On a side note I even tried furiusisomount.  THought it was a great idea.  It will only allow the mountpoint to be the live session which as you probably already know.  Does NOT work for anything.
[00:14] <Maynard420> Bashing-om: no ideas huh?
[00:15] <Budgie^Smore> nacc looks like I have solved the file problem, now just to figure out why it isn't giving the hostname I wanted
[00:16] <Bashing-om> Maynard420: Knpcking my head on the floor - not doing a bit of good . I have beverheard of such a thing . and sure can not think of a reasin why . Acer ? vendor lockin we have to work-a-round ?
[00:17] <Maynard420> Nope.... HP I have used before this as ubuntu for about 2 years now.
[00:17] <Maynard420> A frankenstein of a PC.  Has no HDD.  running all SSD in the form of flash lol
[00:18] <Maynard420> FrankenLappie!!!
[00:19] <Bashing-om> Maynard420: OK, thought . SSD -> ya verify that AHCI is enabled in bios ?
[00:20] <Maynard420> AHCI?  Don't recall ever seeing that option.  2006 BIOS here.  Barely made it out in time for boot from USB.  SDCard even is a nope on this.
[00:20] <Maynard420> Bashing-om: @ you ^^^^^^
[00:21] <Maynard420> BIOS is set to boot from the USB first.
[00:22] <Maynard420> Legacy is off.  UEFI ( or is it EFI?) is on.
[00:22] <Bashing-om> Maynard420: I run a 2007 AMD board . Took me ages to find out how to set AHCI on it when I installed a SSD . Nothing explicit to tell .
[00:22] <Budgie^Smore> nacc looks like I am hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/preseed/+bug/1452202 which is fixed in yakkety apparently
[00:23] <Maynard420> NO I meant my motherboard no longer reads from SATA I/O.... so I ditched the HDD and my "SS" is simply a 3.0 USB.
[00:26] <Maynard420> Any known issues with 14.04 and Unetbootin?
[00:26] <ko_lo> o/
[00:26] <Maynard420> As in for creating a live USB for install?
[00:27] <Bashing-om> Maynard420: yeah . have seen reported issyes with Unetbootin; maybe try rufus ?
[00:27] <Maynard420> Only for windows Rufus.  Also I tried that with a friends' PC.
[00:28] <ko_lo> seems that tw.archive.ubuntu.com is broken I'm having 403 on each request :(
[00:30] <Maynard420> Really?!  I've never once had an issue with unetbootin.  Hence why I never even thought of it.  Tried ( in the last few days) Rufus, Unetbootin, pendrive, universal USB installer, a couple others, power iso(?) annnnnnnd latest was my attempt with furiusisomount ( which won't work in Live mode).
[00:30]  * ko_lo will contact the noc from the university behind this mirror
[00:32] <Maynard420> BY-THE-WAY.... TO anyone WANTING A NEW INSTALL but don't wanna DL a whole other .iso and then make it bootable.  ZSYNC seems to be the way to go.
[00:34] <Bashing-om> Maynard420: Ho Kay . from the liveUSB . What shows ' sudo fdisk -lu ' / Does it see the second USB device ?
[00:34] <transhuman_> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24967580
[00:34] <transhuman_> thanks in advance
[00:34] <Maynard420> Very little info out there on it.  You can have sayyyyy Kubuntu and you can find the http for your .iso.zsync and run zsync and it will only take what changes and leaves what you need but already have.
[00:34] <transhuman_> I think its supposed to be nvidia-340
[00:34] <Maynard420> JUST SAYING....
[00:36] <Maynard420> Yuppers.  All visible.
[00:37] <Bashing-om> transhuman_: Conformed ya want the 340 version driver : http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html . Insalling from OEM is the means of last resort . clean up and try an install from the repo ?
[00:38] <Maynard420> Bashing-om: Hey just noticed this this time I ran fdisk... WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
[00:39] <Maynard420> ^^^^ That's GParted right?
[00:41] <transhuman_> which repo, the one from inside ubuntu driver manager doesnt work it hangs on boot
[00:41] <Bashing-om> Maynard420: Might see what ' gdisk ' sees . and from the liveusb .. might try 'mkusb' : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073 . See how a native tool works out .
[00:42] <transhuman_> uninstalled neueve or whatever its called to see if that fixed it but it didnt
[00:42] <transhuman_> I am sick and tired of having crappy computer equipment thats incompatible with everything...sigh
[00:44] <wyth> I'm back, new problems. I just added a new disk to my LVM, everything seemed fine, went to reboot, and now the server locks up every time I try to boot it. I'm getting "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! [python:1423]"
[00:45] <Bashing-om> transhuman_: If we have conflicts in driver instalations; I can believe the system will balk .  sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" and dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia - see what we have installed .
[00:45] <Maynard420> Bashing-om: BTW this is fdisk on the one I built with Rufus.  Never seen it tagged quite like this.   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[00:45] <Maynard420> /dev/sdc1   *        2048     7831551     3914752    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[00:46] <wyth> "PID: 1423 Comm: python Tainted: G D L 4.4.0-81-generic #104-Ubuntu"
[00:48] <Bashing-om> transhuman_: I installed a new nvidia card . count your blessings . as it took me days to discover that there is no open source driver for it ( 14.04 ). and I ran minimal, no way I was going to install all the dependencies that a proprietary driver called for !
[00:48] <Maynard420> transhuman_: Apply Windows method.  Move driver to 100+MPH.  Rollback windows and throw the POS out the window.  That's my next go to as well for me.
[00:49] <Maynard420> LOL.....ahhhhhh.  I think it's time to get more medicated and Mota-vated.
[00:51] <wyth> I'm at a loss for why this would happen or be related. But after I successfully added the disk and rebooted, my internet went down for a few seconds, and when it came back I've been having this issue trying to get it to boot.
[00:51] <wyth> Occasionally I can get it to the login, but then within a second or two it immediately goes into these NMI watchdog errors
[00:56] <Maynard420> wyth: see above a few lines.  Apply Windows method.  JK  i'd help if I even knew what NMI was.... just in case you needed a laugh.  I know I do/did.
[00:57] <wyth> Maynard420: Yeah, I'm just at a loss for where to ever start trying to fix this. Aside from the timing of how things happened, I can't see at all why any of it would be related..
[00:58] <Maynard420> Doing a fresh install I take it?
[00:58] <wyth> Maynard420: No, I was just upgrading the storage on my LVM with another hard drive. :-\
[01:00] <Maynard420> Ok.  Can't help there.  Every LVM I set up failed on me so I'm the last person to ask on that.  As I said try Windows method from above :-D
[01:02] <transhuman_> Bashing-om, do you know what the problem usually is when instead of loging out it goes back to gdm. or what every ubuntu uses
[01:04] <transhuman_> sorry instead of loggin IN not out
[01:04] <Maynard420> grub I think is what you mean
[01:04] <transhuman_> sorry just remembered its called lightdm
[01:05] <transhuman_> anyways instead of logging in it goes back to lightdm
[01:07] <Bashing-om> transhuman_: Often times it is that "you" do not have the authority to access your desktop ' ls - al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' . that "you" are the owner and group here .
[01:27] <kubunted> Laptop lid is closed ( sleep ), opened , keyboard is gone - no input is accepted . Surprises galore from the wonderOS (kubuntu), any more to expect? Any explanations?
[01:27] <kubunted> all of a sudden, never before never after..had to reboot to get keyboard back...bizzarre
[01:28] <kubunted> what if it was in the middle of something important? can this OS be relied upon?
[01:30] <wyth> I've got "kernel bug at /build/linux-cs3yMe/linux-4.4.0/drivers/scsi/sd.c:844!" Does this refer to something that somehow got changed/corrupted in my kernel? Is there a way to repair the kernel when you can't get booted? From the recovery mode option I tried the option to fix broken dpkg but there was no help there.
[01:31] <wyth> Not sure what steps I should try to take here. :(
[01:40] <koffel> is there a easy guide to compile a kernel?
[01:43] <Maynard420> wyth: Try zsync if you have a tiny bit corrupt it will only fix that part so you don't have to reinstall the whole.
[01:44] <leftyfb> koffel: why do you need to compile your own kernel?
[01:44] <wyth> Maynard420: I'll try looking that up
[01:45] <Maynard420> typical '  sudo apt-get install zsync ' if memory serves.
[01:46] <wyth> Maynard420: Can I do that from the root shell in the recovery kernel? Because I can't get the normal boot to do it
[01:46] <Maynard420> also here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[01:46] <wyth> *Can't get it to boot normally
[01:47] <Maynard420> right but you can get  terminal or just in grub or what? I'm not totally savvy by any means.
[01:47] <koffel> leftyfb i have a gtx 1070 and there a patch to make it work
[01:48] <koffel> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/3ec622f409
[01:48] <Maynard420> I just have spent the last 3 days finding. HOPEFULLY my solution. I stumbled across zsync.....never even heard of it before now.
[01:49] <wyth> Maynard420: I'm not really understanding how to use zsync to repair my kernel?
[01:50] <leftyfb> koffel: do you possess this "yet-to-be-named GPU chip"?
[01:51] <leftyfb> koffel: also, that commit is from over a year ago. I'm sure it's already part of the kernel
[01:52] <koffel> leftyfb i tried alota kernels none had it
[01:52] <Maynard420> It somehow made my casper/vmlinuz appear when I could see it but it was sa tiny bit of the path got corrupted.  Just saying it's worth a try.
[01:53] <koffel> leftyfb card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: ID 83 Digital [ID 83 Digital]
[01:54] <Maynard420> I mean I found it but the bootloader couldn't until I ran zsync and it replaced the link/path to my root.
[01:54] <Maynard420> Rebooting.... wish me luck.
[01:55] <Bashing-om> koffel: 375 version driver for that card : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/118290/en-us . It is in the 16.04 repo -> "sysop@x1604:~$ apt list nvidia-375 >> nvidia-375/xenial-updates,xenial-security,now 375.66-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 amd64 [installed]" .
[01:56] <koffel> i am using 14.04
[01:57] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-375 trusty
[01:58] <koffel> driver not issue kernel don't see it correctly
[02:44] <wyth> Ugh. Tried updating the kernel, no difference. I haven't gotten anywhere :(
[02:49] <linux_user> Hello all - I am back
[02:50] <wyth> Hi
[02:50] <linux_user> I was trying to figure stuff out with VNC before
[02:51] <linux_user> I forgot with whom I was speaking
[02:51] <leftyfb> wyth: I would look into hardware issues. Mainly power supply.
[02:53] <linux_user> heh - leftyfb was one person! :)
[02:53] <linux_user> Leftyfb: I have test two solutions and wish to try to merge them!
[02:53] <linux_user> test=tested
[02:54] <leftyfb> wyth: I found a post on google where someone was getting a similar error and ended up resolving it by replacing the PS. You also pointed out you lost internet. I'm going to guess there might have been a power surge/brownout.
[03:03] <wyth> leftyfb: I also came across the post. I tried re-seating it in hopes that would fix it, but had no luck
[03:04] <wyth> leftyfb: It was strange, because I didn't lose any power to the router/modem or anything. Just seemed like at the same time the server rebooted it locked up the internet temporarily
[03:05] <leftyfb> wyth: electricity can be a funny thing
[03:05] <leftyfb> linux_user: no pm's please
[03:05] <leftyfb> goodnight all
[03:05] <wyth> leftyfb: Very true. As this is made out of an old macbook I may end up be SOL :(
[03:06] <wyth> I commented out the line in fstab that would mount the lvm, and now it appears to at least be able to get ssh'd into
[03:28] <linux_user> are there any VNC experts still on?
[03:40] <microder> hi
[03:40] <microder> how can I disable hyperthreading if it is not available in the bios?
[03:47] <Ancer> hyperthreading build in the cpu itself
[03:55] <thewillo> is there a system resource monitor that tracks memory io?
[03:55] <thewillo> like iotop but for ram?
[04:04] <glitsj16> thewillo: both top and htop show memory usage, is that what you mean by 'memory io'?
[04:05] <thewillo> no I mean input and output, like how much data is going to and from ram
[04:06] <wyth> So I'm stuck. I added a new disk to my lvm, rebooted, and now I keep getting cpu lockups every time I try to boot. If I comment the line out in fstab I can get it to boot, but as soon as I try mounting it the same thing happens again. I ran e2fsck on the volume and everything appears fine..
[04:08] <glitsj16> thewillo: you could use 'free' with the -s switch, but that doesn't output per process
[04:11] <thewillo> ahh, better than noting
[04:35] <glitsj16> thewillo: had to dig around in my notes, I once had a need to view RAM usage per program and i used https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pixelb/ps_mem/master/ps_mem.py .. something like 'watch -n2 sudo ps_mem.py' might be more informative than parsing thru 'free' all the time
[04:35] <thewillo> thanks glitsj16 !!!!
[04:35] <glitsj16> thewillo: oh no problem, you're welcome :)
[04:45] <chamunks> Where do I go, if I want an ubuntu image that can boot after a DD on a USB
[04:45] <chamunks> Ubuntu server
[04:45] <thewillo> chamunks, do you have a UEFI based computer?
[04:46] <chamunks> It's an old lenovo thin client.
[04:46] <chamunks> I don't think its UEFI
[04:46] <chamunks> thewillo ^
[04:46] <thewillo> Oh, then I am not sure you can dd it to a usb
[04:47] <chamunks> thewillo, It will boot from the USB
[04:47] <thewillo> you can certainly install unetbootin in linux, and use it.. I've noticed it doesn't work with iso's a lot of the time, but will work if you tell it to download the image directly to the usb
[04:47] <thewillo> like, it has a selection of MANY linux os, and you pick one, and it downloads it to the usb then installs a bootloader
[04:47] <chamunks> I'm just trying to avoid having to install this thing twice.  I don't even plan on messing with whatever is currently in the thin client for a HDD.
[04:48] <chamunks> Also I'm installing from a mac.
[04:48] <thewillo> oh...
[04:48] <chamunks> Was using ddrescue gui because I know how to use DD but prefer a clicky interface where I'm not going to bork my OS by pointing the firehose in the wrong direction by accident.
[04:49] <chamunks> Which is unlikely I know but still paranoia keeps me problem free, most of the time.
[04:49] <chamunks> thewillo so the only stuff that I've found remotely close to what I'm looking for are these .img cloud images. https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/
[04:50] <thewillo> let me look at them
[04:50] <thewillo> I have to download one to see how they are formatted
[04:51] <thewillo> ~1 minute left
[04:51] <chamunks> I think the UEFI one is likely the closest that I'm going to get but I think it's just a vanilla bios.
[04:51] <chamunks> I know that there are distros that are capable of this but I was hoping to avoid digging around for strange OS's
[04:52] <thewillo> UEFI I asked about because it doesn't require any tools, just extract the files to a fat32 formatted usb and it boots
[04:52] <chamunks> ah neat
[04:53] <chamunks> I suppose UEFI's are supposed to make things easier I'd imagine.
[04:54] <chamunks> The idea is cute and all but its a bit frustrating that M$oft got their paws into it.
[04:56] <thewillo> UEFI has advantages
[04:56] <thewillo> MS has secureboot in UEFI but almost every UEFI firmware lets you disable secureboot while still using UEFI, it just doesn't check for signed kernels
[04:57] <thewillo> ok, yes you can dd the cloud images
[04:57] <thewillo> they are only the root partition though, you will have to install a bootloader somehow
[04:58] <chamunks> Hmm.
[04:58] <chamunks> I was hoping for an experience similar to how raspbian works.
[04:58] <thewillo> Oh, I just noticed unetbootin works on OSX
[04:58] <chamunks> Download and do boot and install appliance and accomplish goal.
[04:58] <chamunks> Yep :)
[04:59] <thewillo> so get unetbootin, and use it... I'm pretty sure you have to download using unetbootin, because the last bunch of times I used it, it wouldn't work properly with isos
[04:59] <chamunks> fair well I suppose that makes the most sense.  I figured I'd just look for whatever would work out of the box if it would.
[04:59] <thewillo> wait you using OSX... are you on a mac?
[05:00] <thewillo> or is it hackintosh?
[05:00] <chamunks> I'm installing from a mac yes.
[05:00] <chamunks> on OSX
[05:00] <thewillo> you're installing to the mac, or just using it to make the boot media?
[05:01] <thewillo> If you're installing on a mac I'm pretty sure you need to take special measures not needed for pc
[05:03] <thewillo> ugh, I need red bull
[05:03] <chamunks> Yea theres some interesting things about how a mac works but its a hell of a lot easier to deal with than a windows OS
[05:03] <thewillo> mac uses it's own EFI variant
[05:03] <thewillo> it's not compatible with UEFI
[05:03] <chamunks> But the UI is much more polished than Windoze 10
[05:03] <thewillo> If i had to chose between them I'd chose windows 10
[05:04] <thewillo> unless I got to use leopard with newer versions of apps
[05:04] <thewillo> leopard was the point where OSX was the perfect balance of performance and features
[05:04] <thewillo> after leopard it started getting really bloated
[05:05] <chamunks> I suppose that I've never seen that early OS X
[05:05] <thewillo> 10.5 I believe
[05:05] <thewillo> 10.4 was tiger, also very good
[05:05] <chamunks> I just can't stand how twitchy the UI is and how unstable the company is I avoid all microsoft products if at all possible.
[05:05] <thewillo> Windows 10 is actually a lot better than any other windows version imo
[05:06] <chamunks> nice
[05:06] <chamunks> I think you're right there.
[05:06] <thewillo> yeah, altough it too is bloated
[05:06] <thewillo> I mean, when I tweak windows 8.1 for my usage, it uses 200-300 mb of ram not including programs, windows 10 uses 800+
[05:07] <chamunks> If it werent for the screwy BS they're pulling I think that I might be vaguely interested in considering using it again.
[05:07] <thewillo> windows 8.1 was just as good as 10 but lacks some features I personally want
[05:07] <thewillo> windows 8 was horrible
[05:07] <thewillo> windows 7 was too featureless
[05:07] <chamunks> I was privy to windows 7 personally.
[05:07] <chamunks> Mostly because it had stability and the ability for me to remove all of the bloat using RT7Lite
[05:08] <chamunks> I managed to get that installed in less than a gig or something.
[05:08] <chamunks> Fit my 60gig SSD a bit better.
[05:08] <thewillo> windows xp was too unstable and insecure, windows 2000 was good but again featureless, windows 98ME was a nightmare people still talk about, windows 98 was buggy, same for 95, NT4 was for servers mostly, 3.1... man 3.1 brings back some old memories
[05:08] <thewillo> and I never used anything pre-3.1
[05:09] <roobi> Im running on a 2015 macbook pro
[05:09] <roobi> Theres a few things to consider with 17.04
[05:09] <roobi> backlight, fans, and facetime camera
[05:09] <thewillo> I'm running on a really crummy acer laptop
[05:09] <roobi> I have most of it scripted to install the fixes necessary
[05:09] <chamunks> ok well thanks for the suggestion for unetbootin
[05:09] <roobi> otherwise, an ubuntu installation directly on the machine is as you would any other intel machine
[05:09] <thewillo> sure man, yeah it's the tool I use
[05:10] <chamunks> I was just mostly wondering if there was some kind of official thing for it.
[05:10] <roobi> unetbootin is the slowest pos in the world
[05:10] <chamunks> roobi doesn't have to be fast just reliable.
[05:10] <roobi> ^ true
[05:10] <thewillo> how is unetbootin slow?
[05:10] <chamunks> I mean it might be good if I could image a pile of disks at the same time.
[05:10] <thewillo> you mean their download servers?
[05:11] <roobi> no, i mean its write spead compared to just direct dd
[05:11] <roobi> speed*
[05:11] <thewillo> I've never found unetbootin to be slow, I used it to download ubuntu to a usb a few weeks ago, took like 20 minutes
[05:11] <roobi> 20 minutes
[05:11] <roobi> thats slow
[05:11] <thewillo> 20 minutes, when it takes 16-18 to download the iso
[05:11] <thewillo> and that 20 includes using unetbootin to download the image
[05:11] <roobi> hmmm im spoiled than
[05:12] <thewillo> maybe:P
[05:12] <roobi> takes me 2-3 minutes to dload the iso
[05:12] <thewillo> I used to have internet that fast, but it got too expensive
[05:12] <roobi> and I expect a USB3 speed to write that iso to usb in just about the same time
[05:12] <thewillo> My USB's are all slow
[05:12] <roobi> once you 3
[05:12] <roobi> you never go back
[05:12] <roobi> lol
[05:12] <thewillo> I don't have any fast ones
[05:13] <thewillo> I have usb 3 drives... but they aren't fast because the storage they use is slower than usb3 supports
[05:13] <roobi> i get picky with it because I run SSD's internally and shouldnt see a hinderence in speed with writing to an external drive/flash-drive
[05:14] <thewillo> I think they just made it USB3 so people would buy them thinking they were better, when usb2 would be more than enough for their speed
[05:14] <roobi> unetbootin on mac is terrible
[05:14] <chamunks> everything is terrible
[05:14] <roobi> even if you ahve a usb3 installed and OSX sees it... it still writes at 2
[05:14] <thewillo> mac is terrible
[05:14] <chamunks> thats one perspective
[05:14] <roobi> mac is just an intel chipset
[05:14] <thewillo> mac is the worst for security
[05:14] <roobi> with minimal differences in protocol stacks to include thundershit
[05:14] <roobi> mac is a unix machine
[05:14] <chamunks> Is it?
[05:14] <chamunks> I mean its just 80% Unix 20% apple
[05:15] <roobi> and its no differently targeted than windows
[05:15] <chamunks> Anyways
[05:15] <thewillo> I've talked with the head of their security research department about some malware I found, they really don't care about malware
[05:15] <roobi> its just that user permission and machine permission separations are different for unix and windows systems
[05:15] <roobi> historically making windows machines more susceptable to malware and stuff
[05:15] <chamunks> thewillo watch f-secure's new software that they usurped from Johnathan Zdarski after he got hired by apple.
[05:15] <chamunks> It used to be called LittleFlocker
[05:16] <thewillo> Like, I found a virus so rare and talked about it was considered a myth, and I had a HDD image of it and a memory dump and a firmware dump... and they didn't want it for the sake of research and future security patches
[05:16] <chamunks> Now it's something else idk.
[05:16] <roobi> thewillo: sounds like it was a moot virus
[05:16] <thewillo> then the supposid myth tuned out to be in that huge leak of CIA hacking tools
[05:16] <chamunks> You realize you could take it to that zeroday project that google runs.
[05:16] <thewillo> it was badbios roobi
[05:16] <roobi> lul
[05:16] <chamunks> Responsibly disclose it there and if it doesn't work then publish it.
[05:16] <thewillo> My friend got it on his macbook somehow
[05:17] <roobi> your friend got it?
[05:17] <roobi> somebody visited your friend
[05:17] <roobi> the only way badbios can be loaded is physically if I remember correctly
[05:17] <thewillo> It was probably a drive-by download
[05:17] <roobi> from rigged external adapters
[05:17] <thewillo> No that's thunderstrike
[05:17] <roobi> yea your right
[05:18] <roobi> ahh well, I guess thats why you should creste your own signed machine certificates, use disk encryption, and only boot with secure boot + uefi
[05:18] <thewillo> badbios is the virus that infects your firmware so that it reinstalls itself every time you reinstall osx, and blocks you from doing anything to remove it
[05:18] <roobi> uefi secure boot is basically worthless if its not done with secure certs anyhow
[05:18] <thewillo> it actively fights you at every step of trying to get rid of it
[05:19] <roobi> can it defeat my super magnet?
[05:19] <roobi> lol
[05:19] <thewillo> like an actual highly magentized piece of metal?
[05:19] <roobi> yes, it was a joke
[05:20] <thewillo> okay, sorry, i'm not good with humor
[05:20] <roobi> have you treid robin williams?
[05:20] <thewillo> the only things i find funny are fail videos and fail compilations and comedy where the punchline is someone failing at something
[05:21] <thewillo> I don't like standup
[05:21] <roobi> So the slow demise of the human race is what makes you laugh?
[05:21] <roobi> We can be friends.
[05:21] <thewillo> I laugh when I get punched in the face too
[05:22] <thewillo> I think it's funny cause it means I failed to remember my martial arts training
[05:22] <roobi> oh yea?
[05:22] <capella> Get a copy of "The Darwin Awards" :)
[05:22] <thewillo> so yeah, basically failing at things is funny, even when I do it
[05:24] <chamunks> Unetbootin is failing to see my USB drive, what a swine
[05:25] <thewillo> did you put the drive in before or after you started unetbootin?
[05:25] <thewillo> because it doesn't detect plugging them in
[05:25] <thewillo> you gotta have it plugged in before you start unetbootin
[05:25] <chamunks> restarted the app a few times and formatted / initialized the thing too.
[05:25] <thewillo> oh...
[05:25] <chamunks> grumble
[05:25] <thewillo> did you try(if it still has) the option to show all drives not just usb?
[05:25] <thewillo> could be detecting it wrong
[05:26] <chamunks> unfortunately no option.
[05:26] <thewillo> oh, it used to have an option for that
[05:26] <thewillo> do you have another usb to try?
[05:26] <chamunks> this ones a brand new samsung
[05:27] <thewillo> well, try another one if you have one
[05:27] <chamunks> hmm well I'll try tinkering for a while I kind of need to use this one as it's the only one of the size that I need.
[05:27] <thewillo> o
[05:27] <thewillo> okay
[05:27] <chamunks> Might also look for an alternative distro.
[05:27] <thewillo> hrm
[05:27] <thewillo> how big is your usb?
[05:28] <thewillo> i could make a usb with unetbootin, then dd the image of it, and send it to you
[05:28] <chamunks> that would be very kind of you but dw about it I'll do some reading for a bit.
[05:28] <chamunks> see what I can get done.
[05:28] <thewillo> okay, i'll be online for a while... highlight me if you change your mind
[05:30] <chamunks> thewillo had to format the disk using disk util first to ms-dos (fat32) partition
[05:30] <chamunks> Showed up now.
[05:30] <thewillo> ahh, perfect
[05:34] <chamunks> thewillo what is the difference between netinstall and hdmedia again?
[05:35] <thewillo> I don't know what hdmedia is, netinstall lets you pick a package or packages to install from the online repo's.. it's just an installer that downloads whichever ubuntu variant and features you select
[05:36] <chamunks> can you run directly off of a netinstall?
[05:36] <chamunks> The key here is I need to just do a thing on this mac to be able to boot this USB drive for the life of the machine.
[05:37] <thewillo> what do you mean run direcrly off a netinstall
[05:37] <thewillo> define run directly
[05:38] <chamunks> I don't want to have to run through an installer and partition thing I just want to copy an OS to the USB drive that can be run similarly to a live distro but not a live distro so much as a native distro.
[05:38] <chamunks> Similar to how raspbian works.
[05:38] <chamunks> You just kind of DD that .img file to the USB/SD media device and plug it in to your raspberry pi
[05:38] <chamunks> Boot and go.
[05:38] <thewillo> netinstall can not be used as a live distro, it can be used to install to a USB, but I don't think it works for the one it's installed to
[05:38] <chamunks> ok so thats still no solution to my problem then.
[05:38] <thewillo> so you put netinstall on one of those other usb's that you said is too small, and install to the target usb
[05:39] <chamunks> Yea except I'm trying to avoid that entire situation.
[05:39] <thewillo> make sure to select the right device when it's time to install the bootloader
[05:39] <thewillo> oh
[05:40] <thewillo> well, you can't unless you use unetbootin to make a live-cd with persistent storage(It keeps a part of [or all of] the USB reserved for saving changes you make, which override the files in the live image
[05:40] <chamunks> HdMedia option, and then place the alternate install iso file on the root directory of your hard drive or USB drive
[05:40] <chamunks> This doesn't even really tell me what it does.
[05:40] <chamunks> Just that it boots the disk I guess.
[05:41] <chamunks> I mean "I can't" doesn't really have to apply exactly because raspbian works exactly like this.
[05:43] <thewillo> q
[05:43] <chamunks> screw it I'm going to just install it to the thin client.
[05:43] <cfhowlett> !ltsp | chamunks
[05:44] <roobi> thin-clients
[05:45] <roobi> so sex
[05:45] <roobi> very terminal
[05:45] <roobi> much centralized compute
[05:45] <chamunks> Turning it into a very low power server.
[05:46] <chamunks> Got a free rack and fiber but gotta pay for electricity.
[05:46] <chamunks> Just want to park something in there that'll run a few things for now.
[06:01] <EleanorEllis> I am running Ubuntu Studio 16.04. I want to install webcamoid 8.0.0 but the version in the 16.04 repositories is only 6.2.0 but apparently version 8.0.0 is in the Ubuntu 17.10 repositories. Can I install from there? Alternatively it's in Debian Testing and Debian Unstable.
[06:02] <hateball> EleanorEllis: You dont want to mix packages like that. Either look for a PPA that has packages for 16.04, or compile it yourself if you must have a newer version
[06:03] <EleanorEllis> hateball: Thanks
[06:03] <hateball> EleanorEllis: As per their instructions https://github.com/webcamoid/webcamoid/wiki/Build-and-install-the-Debian-package
[06:04] <Mr_Pan> PPA = shit!
[06:22] <chamunks> well this is troubling the thin client doesn't seem to recognize the os on the drive.
[06:42] <grumbel> I have here a UEFI Bios, GPT, Ubuntu17.04 and a BTRFS root. Machine doesn't boot and BIOS lists "ubuntu" twice for some reason. I get to the Grub shell, but doesn't look like I can Tab complete to the config file. Anything obvious I am missing? Do I need to manually insert modules for btrfs or GPT?
[07:06] <tarelerulz> I'm on Ubuntu 17.04 in thought I installed  KDE Desktop ,but go when I go to login I don't have kde as an option.
[07:07] <thewillo> try installing it again... if it says it's already installed then I don't know /me shrugs
[07:16] <Tichodroma> Where are the size and position of an application window stored in Unity? For example Firefox has the same size and position as when it was closed. Where is this information persisted?
[07:55] <fl0k1> hey, got problems with the dns resolution
[08:07] <alkisg> fl0k1: more specifically? which ubuntu version and flavour are you using?
[08:17] <glitsj16> Tichodroma: There isn't a central place where Unity stores window size/pos info (neither do other DE's). Some apps save it in their settings (usually under ~/.config), some in dconf, some don't keep it at all and leave it up to the window manager. Firefox happens to keep window placement details in xulstore.json in its profile dir.
[08:21] <Tichodroma> glitsj16: thanks, I'll take a look
[08:22] <glitsj16> Tichodroma: But unity is a compiz implementation, and via ccsm you can set some defaults for new windows iirc, even per window settings are possible. Been a while since I've used ccsm, can't remember the exact item names..
[08:22] <Tichodroma> glitsj16: it would be nice if TP support an easy way to reset the size to the default size
[08:23] <glitsj16> Tichodroma: TP being short for?
[08:24] <Tichodroma> TB, sorry: Tor Browser
[08:24] <glitsj16> Tichodroma: ow yes, don't know if it has such a setting
[08:25] <Tichodroma> I warns you when you change the window size but I did not find a way to reset it once I've changed it by accident
[08:26] <glitsj16> Tichodroma: probably a fingerprinting thing TB uses, apparently trackers can and do use window size/pos info for that purpose
[08:27] <glitsj16> * anti-fingerprinting measure
[08:27] <Tichodroma> yes, that is the reason I want to revert it and blend back into the crowd :)
[08:29] <glitsj16> Tichodroma: i see :) .. maybe you can check what it sets on a fresh install
[08:30] <glitsj16> Tichodroma: I don't have TB installed, otherwise I'd take a peek
[08:30] <Tichodroma> a fresh install would consist of deleting the unpacked TB directory and unpacking a new one. That I've done in the past, no change. So the window size is persisted somewhere else.
[08:33] <capella> til: xulstore.json ... FF is a big code base
[08:35] <glitsj16> Tichodroma: you might be able to control TB's window geometry outside of it though, like via ccsm or a devilspie rule
[08:36] <glitsj16> capella: indeed, come to think of it, xulstore.json might be a generated file, wouldn't even be in th code base
[08:37] <Tichodroma> next time I restart TB I will move xulstore.json out of the way and see what happens
[08:41] <capella> glitsj16: might have lost you, but I didn't mean literally ... I worked with FF a bit and never bumped into that thingy
[08:41] <capella> "FF still surprises me"
[08:43] <glitsj16> capella: yes it's a file which gets re-generated when you blow it away, just checked.. I guess when FF moves away from XUL that will be changing as well
[08:43] <capella> heh ... finkle bailed before he had to deliver on that XD
[08:44] <glitsj16> I still like FF though, but my reasons might be more sentimental than rational :p
[08:44] <capella> yah mine too, I love to hate that thing
[08:45] <capella> favorite method? kungFuDeathGrip();   :)
[08:45] <glitsj16> lol
[08:46] <glitsj16> sounds effective
[08:46] <capella> grabs a hard ref and blocks dynamic GC ... comes in handy and I loved that they allowed the name in the codebase XD
[08:54] <grumbel> How do I find out if the computer was booted with BIOS or UEFI?
[08:56] <fl0k1> @alkisg the current version i use is Ubuntu Gnome.
[08:56] <fl0k1> 17.04
[08:59] <grumbel> -> /sys/firmware/efi/ only exists in UEFI mode, not in BIOS
[09:03] <zetheroo> user is reporting DE freezing up on Ubuntu 16.04 (Unity) - which log would be the best one to troubleshoot the issue with?
[09:13] <murlidhar> hi all ... using 15.04 .. ... is there any way i can upgrade to the lastest OS now ?
[09:13] <murlidhar> easy way
[09:13] <murlidhar> :P
[09:15] <thewillo> murlidhar, yes, is that an LTS release?
[09:15] <geirha> !eolupgrade
[09:15] <murlidhar> thewillo: i am not sure of it
[09:16] <geirha> 15.04 is not an LTS
[09:16] <thewillo> well, try running 'sudo do-dist-upgrade'
[09:16] <thewillo> i think that's the command
[09:16] <thewillo> I haven't used it much or recently
[09:16] <murlidhar> hmm
[09:16] <murlidhar> ok
[09:17] <murlidhar> sudo: do-dist-upgrade: command not found
[09:17] <thewillo> oh it's do-release-upgrade, sorry
[09:17] <oerheks> murlidhar, 15.04 > 15.10 (eol) > 16.04 .. i would reinstall
[09:17] <thewillo> see, told you i haven't used it much or recently
[09:17] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[09:18] <murlidhar> oerheks: yeah i think its better that way
[09:18] <murlidhar> clean install should help
[09:18] <thewillo> Yeah a clean install is better if you don't have important stuff set up that you need to keep
[09:18] <thewillo> I always clean install
[09:18] <oerheks> do-release-upgrade mght work if you edit your sources.list as described in the wiki
[09:18] <murlidhar> oerheks: better to clean install
[09:19] <oerheks> murlidhar, indeed, besides that 16.04 comes with systemD and open videodrivers
[09:19] <thewillo> when you do a clean install, make a seperate partition for /home if you don't already have one... that way when you do your next clean install all your files and settings are saved
[09:20] <murlidhar> thewillo: yeah thanks
[09:20] <thewillo> I always use a seperate /home partition, for the purpose of being able to do clean installs while keeping settings, config files, and my data
[09:21] <murlidhar> thewillo: does the installer now have that option ?
[09:22] <thewillo> murlidhar, it does if you make your own partition table instead of letting it do it automatically. when it offers to erase and install the new ubuntu the last option in that menu is "something else", that lets you manually create paritions and select mount points
[09:23] <zetheroo> how would one troubleshoot the cause of Unity freezing up?
[09:23] <thewillo> good to have a 1-2gb /boot partitionn too, so you don't lose grub if you mess stuff up... only really matters if you have another OS though or use grub for something other than booting your ubuntu install
[09:23] <murlidhar> thewillo: will do that. thanks
[09:23] <rud0lf> i love like windows 10 kills grub and any bootable usb
[09:23] <rud0lf> like/how
[09:23] <thewillo> zetheroo, use another desktop environment. unity is offically a failure and starting with 18.04 it will be gnome again because of unity being so bad
[09:24] <thewillo> unity is bloated, and it's buggy with a lot of video cards, and it's just not coded well
[09:24] <thewillo> it's a compositor module instead of a normal window manager/desktop environment, which is a horrible idea
[09:27] <zetheroo> yeah, I get that. But atm people are still using Unity.
[09:28] <thewillo> zetheroo, you can install something else and select it at log-in time
[09:28] <oerheks> !flavors
[09:29] <oerheks> hmmm canonical is sweet, it gives me cookies \0/
[09:30] <murlidhar> thewillo: i have intel core2duo processor .... does it support 64bit ?
[09:30] <thewillo> some of them do
[09:30] <thewillo> use lscpu command
[09:31] <thewillo> the second line shows 32 and or 64 bit
[09:31] <Aliekezhi> hi, I'm trying to import a CA certificate...However, after converting it into crt and copying it to /etc/ssl/certs/ it doesn't seem that - dpkg-reconfigure ca-certifcates - detect it (if I choose the option "ask" it doesn't appear in the list
[09:31] <Aliekezhi> any idea ?
[09:31] <thewillo> if it shows 64-bit or "32-bit, 64-bit"
[09:31] <murlidhar> CPU op-mode(s):        32-bit, 64-bit
[09:31] <thewillo> yes that supports 64 bit
[09:31] <murlidhar> cool
[09:31] <murlidhar> thanks
[09:32] <murlidhar> downloading the ubuntubudgie
[09:32] <rud0lf> i've read that 64-bit is supported poorly by intel core2duo, and it's slow
[09:32] <rud0lf> but that's rubbish
[09:32] <murlidhar> lightweight i guess which should work fine for my old pc
[09:32] <alexas> my system drops to initamfs (encrypted partition probably kernel update issue)
[09:32] <rud0lf> i switched from 32 into 64 bit and it's fine
[09:32] <alexas> initramfs*
[09:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[09:34] <rud0lf> howdy
[09:34] <glitsj16> zetheroo: Have you checked journalctl for any relevant errors? And maybe changing to a tty and running 'DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace' throws usefull debug info too..
[09:34] <zetheroo> glitsj16:  can change tty but no text no login etc ..
[09:35] <alexas> if diagnosed showed failed to connect to lvmetad
[09:35] <zetheroo> have not checked journalctl
[09:35] <mgor> Aliekezhi, /etc/ssl/cert is the result of running dpkg-configure ca-certificates, which reads from /usr/share/ca-certificates
[09:35] <mgor> Aliekezhi, so, move the certificate to /usr/share/ca-certificates instead, and then run dpkg-reconfigure
[09:35] <glitsj16> zetheroo: yeah, difficult to debug in that case, total freeze?
[09:36] <zetheroo> only mouse cursor moving
[09:38] <zetheroo> another question - if I am ssh'ed into another Ubuntu system via terminal and want to open something with a GUI form their PC how would I do that?
[09:38] <Aliekezhi> mgor, thanks ! however...WARNING: ldapca.pem does not contain a certificate or CRL: skipping
[09:39] <Aliekezhi> it's weird, I found it from the ldap server : TLSCACertificateFile /etc/ssl/certs/ldapca.pem
[09:42] <glitsj16> zetheroo: ssh can forward X, or look at VNC https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers
[09:42] <zetheroo> ok thanks
[09:47] <zetheroo> Will Ubuntu be switching to Gnome 3, or some other Gnome variant?
[09:47] <alexas> anyone can help me with my problem?
[09:48] <glitsj16> zetheroo: yes, gnome shell will be the future default DE
[09:49] <zetheroo> ok
[09:55] <glitsj16> zetheroo: I don't want to overdo it on the link-providing front, but if you can't get a clear view on the unity freeze issue via journalctl or ssh'ing, it might prove useful to look at starting the unity session via xinit manually --> based on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomXSession, using 'gnome-session --session=ubuntu' (which is the unity session)
[09:56] <zetheroo>  glitsj16: I am looking at making the switch to Gnome with a fresh install. I just have to do some tests first with PBIS and AD. :)
[09:57] <glitsj16> zetheroo: well, that's a shorter route to take, smart thinking :)
[09:59] <zetheroo> I roll out a pre-built clonezilla image of the latest LTS with PBIS built-in for our Linux users. And since Unity is finished I am going to have to do this switch to another DE sooner or later anyhow.
[09:59] <glitsj16> true, better get used to how Ubuntu deals with the future
[10:04] <glitsj16> zetheroo: if you use LTS, will you be looking at 16.04 + gnome-shell? I've been using that combo for a while now, very happy with it in fact (although it is gnome 3.22 via PPA).. enjoy the jump
[10:05] <zetheroo> ok  great
[10:21] <Aliekezhi> troubles with iptables config, someone can help ? https://bpaste.net/show/89e569f0c461
[10:51] <Frickelpit> Aliekezhi: seems clear here with "can't initialize iptables table `OUTPUT': Table does not exist". look at man iptables section Tables.
[11:18] <vimar> Hi
[11:24] <thewillo> hi vimar, what's up?
[11:32] <EleanorEllis> I need to remove my google account from evolution (added through gnome online accounts) but can't. I even completely removed gnome-online-accounts and the google plugin in Synaptic (my package manager) but the google account is still there.
[11:40] <slyrobot> I am on Kubuntu 17.04 and I have an issue with Instant Messenger.
[11:41] <Aliekezhi> Frickelpit, my mistake was stupid : I had a "-OUTPUT" instead of "OUTPUT" I don't know how ^^
[11:42] <slyrobot> Whenever I try to use telegram it shows an error message. Any ideas on how to fix that.
[11:42] <Frickelpit> Aliekezhi: ah, didn't see that either, nice catch^^
[11:43] <rory> slyrobot: what does the error message say?
[11:44] <Aliekezhi> Frickelpit, this is weird, my ubuntu server has 389 port (ldap) blocked in OUTPUT, the ldap server recieve the request on 636 (ldaps), but I have no certificate set up...which would mean...that ldaps without certificate is possible ?
[11:46] <thewillo> is "start on network" the right command in an upstart config if I want the program to be run when the networking is enabled?
[11:46] <Frickelpit> Aliekezhi: you can test it, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SecuringOpenLDAPConnections#Test_SSL_Connection-1
[11:50] <slyrobot> rory: This IM account can't be created a telepathy connection manager named morse is missing.
[11:51] <rory> slyrobot: which Ubuntu version are you using?
[11:51] <slyrobot> 17.04 KDE.
[11:52] <oerheks> slyrobot, did you install from git?
[11:52] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/730844/how-install-telepathy-connection-manager
[11:52] <slyrobot> oerheks, Negative,
[11:53] <rory> slyrobot: There is a confirmed bug about this issue. A workaround is to install this package from some guy's PPA. Here is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-contact-list/+bug/1512135
[11:54] <oerheks> well, how did you install telegramm then?
[11:54] <rory> slyrobot: and here are the steps: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:clivejo/telepathy-morse && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install telepathy-morse telegram-qt
[11:54] <slyrobot> Okay
[11:54] <slyrobot> Installing wait.
[11:54] <rory> slyrobot: that is untrusted software though. He compiled it from git, and other people on that thread say it worked
[11:59] <slyrobot> rory, That didn't work.
[11:59] <rory> Did those 2 packages install OK?
[12:00] <slyrobot> rory, package telegram-qt was missing.
[12:00] <slyrobot> It installed package telegram-desktop instead.
[12:00] <rory> sorry install telegram-qt and telepathy-morse
[12:01] <rory> wait
[12:01] <rory> i said that
[12:01] <rory> i guess it doesn't work then
[12:01] <slyrobot> Yes. Seems so,
[12:01] <rory> check that bug thread though
[12:01] <rory> there's some hoops you may need to jump through
[12:01] <rory> "- You need to give the full international telephone number." etc
[12:02] <slyrobot> Okay let me check the thread.
[12:02] <rory> that's the only place I'm getting this info from. It may just not work...
[12:04] <slyrobot> rory, Got it.
[12:38] <MWM> can anyone help me troubleshoot plasmashell?  Taskbar isnt working; I cannot type anywhere but the terminal even if I switch focus to another window; every terminal window opens in the same spot and cannot be moved....
[12:39] <MWM> I am running a fairly fresh install of 17.04 and the problems did not start until after I installed gerbera.  Removing gerbera did not fix the issue.  restarting plasmashell did not fix the issue.  Im not really sure what else there might be to do
[12:40] <thewillo> I've had nothing but problems with 17.04
[12:44] <MWM> Im considering going back to LTS myself...
[12:46] <someone_> Hi , How I can stop process from running at system booting?
[12:49] <MWM> what process?  pkill + PID will kill it once you can access the terminal, but that does not sound like what you want
[12:50] <someone_> MWM No,  I want prevent a process from running at booting
[12:52] <MWM> somone_:  not sure if this will help but... https://askubuntu.com/questions/698993/disable-services-on-startup-in-ubuntu
[12:53] <MWM> basically service --status-all to find your service then systemctl disable <service>
[12:56] <someone_> MWM Thank you
[12:59] <MWM>  can anyone help me troubleshoot plasmashell?  Taskbar isnt working; I cannot type anywhere but the terminal even if I switch focus to another window; every terminal window opens in the same spot and cannot be moved....
[12:59] <MWM>  I am running a fairly fresh install of 17.04 and the problems did not start until after I installed gerbera.  Removing gerbera did not fix the issue.  restarting plasmashell did not fix the issue.  Im not really sure what else there might be to do
[12:59] <thewillo> try dpkg-reconfigure
[13:01] <sary> is there a command to restart the plasmashell and or the taskbar!
[13:01] <MWM> dpkg-reconfigure plasmashell returns "plasmashell is not installed and no information is available"
[13:02] <thewillo> did you use sudo(not sure if that's the problem)?
[13:02] <thewillo>  
[13:02] <MWM> I did use sudo.  Thanks though
[13:03] <thewillo> Okay, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall plasmashell
[13:03] <MWM> plasmashell restart appears to restart the shell but does not fix the issue, not does a restart of the machine.  There are a couple other methods I used to restart it, but they did not work either... hold while I hunt them up again
[13:04] <MWM> kquitapp5 plasmashell && kstart plasmashell also seemed to resart the shell but did not fix the issue.  I think it might just be borked.  Booo plasmashell boooo :)
[13:05] <sary> Try Andrew Kay's answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/481329/can-i-restart-the-kde-plasma-desktop-without-logging-out
[13:06] <ikonia> why would you want to restart a desktop environment without logging out
[13:07] <ikonia> the core reason to restart a session would be to reset a session
[13:07] <MWM> Andrew Kay's answer did noty work unfortunately
[13:08] <MWM> ikonia:  something is borked with plasmashell and is not fixed with a restart of the machine
[13:08] <ikonia> if a machine restart doesn't fix it - why would a desktop
[13:08] <ikonia> as a reboot would restart the whole DE
[13:08] <MWM> so logging out and logging back in has no effect.
[13:09] <ikonia> right so why are you wasting your time trying to restart it while you're logged in
[13:09] <MWM> well because Im not sure what else to do?  if a restart doesnt fix it then what else should I do to troubleshoot?
[13:09] <ikonia> understand the problem
[13:10] <ikonia> have you even tried logging in as a new/different user
[13:10] <ikonia> to work out if it's your env that is the problem
[13:10] <MWM> Well I guess that would help?  I understand the DE is not functioning correctly after installing gerbera, but removal of gerbera did not resolve the problem
[13:11] <ikonia> ok so there is your key
[13:11] <ikonia> gerbera has altered something
[13:11] <ikonia> what does that install change
[13:11] <ikonia> as removing it won't undo it
[13:11] <ikonia> a.) try a new/different user
[13:11] <ikonia> b.) how did you install gerbera - and then look at what that install actually dioes
[13:12] <ikonia> try to apply logic to the problem, you have a lot of great info there - you know gerbera install was the problem
[13:12] <ikonia> why are you doing things like "restart the desktop without logging out" when actually you know where the problem is and where to investigate
[13:14] <MWM> well I can guess that gerbera was the problem but dont "know" what I know is that the DE is not functioning properly.  I am trying to find the link I used to install gerbera so I can investigate further
[13:14] <ikonia> ok - so you at least have a strong direction to take
[13:14] <ikonia> focus on that rather than random things
[13:17] <MWM> Fair enough, but I guess I dont know how to see what gerbera did upon install.
[13:17] <ikonia> do how you installed it is key
[13:17] <ikonia> and thats where you should be asking for help
[13:17] <ikonia> a simple test is to create a new account
[13:18] <ikonia> login and see if it's something for your account, or a system wide problem
[13:19] <MWM> Also fair enough.  I will send an email to the ppa maintainer then?  In the meantime I will see about creating a new user.  It is a bit difficult because it is a headless machine.  Always a problem with this thing
[13:19] <ikonia> no
[13:19] <ikonia> don't rush into things
[13:20] <ikonia> a.) do a new user test - validate if it something you have in your env or system b.) look at how you installed the product and see what that does (ask for help if needed) and try to understand the problem
[13:20] <ikonia> once you understand the problem you can log a bug against that package - if it's a PPA, engage with the PPA maintainer
[13:25] <MWM> hmmmm... added a new user but my RDP client is logging me in as previous account even with the new credentials
[13:27] <MWM> blech.  Ill have to drag this thing to a monitor and dig through it.  Thanks for what help you all could give
[13:28] <roach1> I need some help
[13:31] <roach1> I need someone to help me get used to ubuntu i recently migrated to lubuntu from windows 7
[13:32] <BluesKaj> roach1, what's your issue?
[13:34] <roach1> stupid question. I downloaded install for universal media server. now I haveto run the UMS.sh file everytime to get server running. How can i add it to a list or create a shortcut or get it to install. I do have UMS.jar folder if that helps.
[13:39] <roach1> I also need help in finding my secondary hdd in linux. I have a secondary 3TB harddrive NTFS but when I boot ubuntu it detects it as free space.
[13:42] <akik> roach1: which ubuntu version is that?
[13:43] <roach1> Lubuntu 17.04_Zesty Zapus_
[13:44] <akik> roach1: run "sudo systemctl enable rc-local.service". that will enable the boot time script /etc/rc.local. you can add the UMS.sh script in it so it'll be run as root
[13:44] <Neepu> Hi. What is the best practice for backing up Ubuntu Server? LVM Snapshot vs Shell script copying data?
[13:44] <akik> roach1: or if you need it to run as another user, add "su - user -c UMS.sh"
[13:48] <akik> roach1: for that 3 terabyte ntfs disk, run "sudo lsblk" to see how linux sees that device
[13:50] <roach1> This is it : sdb      8:16   0   2.7T  0 disk
[13:50] <roach1> └─sdb1   8:17   0   128M  0 part
[13:50] <roach1> it just sees disk not partitioned
[13:51] <akik> roach1: ok i wouldn't touch it now on linux side
[13:51] <akik> roach1: are you sure it has a bigger partition than 128 megs?
[13:52] <roach1> Yes when I boot windows side it works fine. Can it be the size that's the problem. causing an overflow or something
[13:52] <akik> roach1: i haven't seen that kind of problem before
[13:53] <akik> roach1: how much data do you have on it?
[13:53] <roach1> 2.3 TB
[13:54] <akik> roach1: sorry can't help you there. i've created the partitions on bigger usb disks in linux first
[13:54] <akik> i use both ntfs and ext3
[13:56] <roach1> Do you install software in the same sense as windows or can you run everything and anything on linux?
[13:57] <akik> roach1: i mostly run linux but also windows
[13:58] <akik> roach1: is that 3 tera disk using mbr or gpt?
[13:58] <roach1> Good question, I dont know.
[13:58] <akik> roach1: "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb" or "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdb"
[13:59] <roach1> gpt
[13:59] <akik> roach1: pastebin the correct output at pastebin.com
[14:03] <Neepu> Hey. I'm looking into backing up a OpenStack system, that is built with nova-lxd-containers (All-in-one Ubuntu OpenStack) are there any documentation to help with that? I'm assuming that backup is slightly different than usual due to the use of containers.
[14:05] <roach1> thanx akik, have to go off to windows again.:-X
[14:15] <decci> Hi
[14:16] <decci> Any idea how can one pass DKMS driver during the PXE boot installation
[14:16] <decci> Ubuntu trusty lacks RAID controller driver and I need to pass it during the installation phase
[14:16] <decci> usually I use driver disk to pass it
[14:17] <decci> But now I have Live PXE boot environment
[14:17] <decci> any thoughts
[14:22] <transhuman_> anyone know why when I install kde-plasma-desktop, wayland, and nouevea (instead of nvidia drivers) why things like browsers(chrome for instance) wont come unglued to top left corner of desktop?
[14:28] <JonTheNiceGuy> Does anyone know whether it's possible to either bond enp0s25 with wlp2s0, or set up both interfaces as non-IP'd interfaces, and set up a bridge between them? I've got unreliable Ethernet (via "Powerline" adaptors) which is fast, and reliable wifi, which is slow, and I just want the same IP to work with both interfaces. I've found suggestions which imply it's not possible to do it, and instructions which I haven't had any
[14:28] <JonTheNiceGuy> success with.
[14:30] <transhuman_> what is the objective JonTheNiceGuy
[14:32] <transhuman_> ie JonTheNiceGuy what do you want to achieve by doing that
[14:32] <JonTheNiceGuy> transhuman_: Basically, the Powerline ethernet adaptor is flakey, really flakey. I'd like, if possible, to have the wifi pick up the strain if the ethernet adaptor fails.
[14:33] <transhuman_> what about doing replicating all traffic from one interface to the other with iptables TEE command?
[14:33] <transhuman_> not sure it would work though
[14:33] <JonTheNiceGuy> transhuman_: that's a new one on me! :)
[14:33] <JonTheNiceGuy> Let me search it out!
[14:33] <transhuman_> dont get your hopes up too high
[14:34] <JonTheNiceGuy> Ultimately, that was why I was hoping for a bridge interface, so that traffic going to either interface would pick up the traffic
[14:41] <max12345> hi. I have an oooold laptop and apt-get upgrade over wifi breaks my wifi
[14:41] <max12345> like, it works fine, then I do the upgrade
[14:41] <max12345> then it says "device not ready"
[14:46] <max12345> anyone have ideas regarding that?
[14:46] <max12345> it's pretty weird imo :P
[14:47] <max12345> good thing that the ugprade exists gracefully and I can resume after a reboot.
[14:47] <max12345> still though
[14:50] <leftyfb> max12345: what version of ubuntu?
[14:51] <max12345> leftyfb: 16.04 64bit
[14:51] <max12345> or 16.04.2
[14:51] <leftyfb> max12345: which wireless chipset?
[14:52] <max12345> broadcom4306
[14:52] <leftyfb> max12345: do you have the ability to plug in ethernet?
[14:52] <max12345> I do
[14:52] <max12345> I'm writing from another laptop too
[14:52] <max12345> so
[14:52] <leftyfb> max12345: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[14:53] <max12345> leftyfb: yes, that's where I got the driver from
[14:53] <max12345> I'm surprised it doesn't work anymore because on 32 bit it worked
[14:54] <max12345> leftyfb: I installed the first b43 one
[14:54] <max12345> should I try the others?
[14:54] <leftyfb> that's what I would do
[14:55] <max12345> ok
[14:55] <max12345> then I'll do that
[14:57] <n-iCe> hello
[14:58] <n-iCe> is there a ubuntu studio channel?
[14:59] <sary> it appers to be #ubuntustudio .
[15:00] <n-iCe> thanks!
[15:17] <murlidhar> okay i have downloaded the iso file .... how do i use my pendrive to fresh install the OS now ?
[15:18] <oerheks> murlidhar, like the last time you installed linux?
[15:18] <murlidhar> oerheks: it was ages ago and i don't remember at all
[15:18] <murlidhar> like in 2015
[15:18] <murlidhar> that too wasn't a fresh install
[15:19] <murlidhar> it was just dist-upgrade command stuff
[15:19] <murlidhar> there was some app that made a bootable usb i think
[15:20] <oerheks> !usb
[15:21] <murlidhar> cool
[15:21] <murlidhar> thanks
[15:24] <jambon69> hi
[15:24] <jambon69> Does someone knows where I can download an older version of ubuntu, such as 4.4 ?
[15:25] <oerheks> 4.04 never existed http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[15:25] <dp> Looking at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2017/CVE-2017-9445.html - does "needed" mean that a patched version has not been released?
[15:26] <oerheks> dp 'needed' as in confirmation requested
[15:26] <dp> oerheks: ah, okay. So no one has reported that
[15:26] <dp> those are affected.
[15:26] <jambon69> ok thx
[15:27] <oerheks> the waiting is for the DNE or a fix message
[15:28] <oerheks> systemD resolve is not used in xenial, so i wonder if there will be a fix
[15:29] <dp> Copy that. Just wanting to confirm to make sure I understood. There's not a "legend" per se, and I've been asked by the CTO if we're affected. :)
[15:38] <aadi> hi
[16:01] <ryzokuken> which all lightweight ubuntu derivatives exist? (light on disk and RAM)
[16:02] <ryzokuken> I know about Elementary and KDE Neon (Mint wouldn't exactly be called lightweight, in my experience it comes with even more stuff than Ubuntu)
[16:04] <nacc> ryzokuken: lubuntu and xubuntu (the two you referred to are not officially supported falvors)
[16:10] <Dunga> ryzokuken: I use Linux Lite
[16:16] <ryzokuken> Dunga: okay, thanks
[16:17] <nacc> ryzokuken: that is also not an official flavor, to be clear
[16:17] <ryzokuken> nacc: I didn't use the word flavors, I used the word "derivatives"
[16:17] <nacc> ryzokuken: tbh, this is more of a topic for #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:17] <nacc> ryzokuken: it's not a support question
[16:17] <ryzokuken> okay
[16:18] <ryzokuken> I have noticed that the flavors are usually the same base with a different DE
[16:18] <nacc> ryzokuken: yes, because they are all supported and are all technically ubuntu.
[16:18] <nacc> ryzokuken: these others are not.
[16:18] <ryzokuken> Xfce is definitely a faster option, but the base itself is bloated.
[16:19] <hippy> i like openbox
[16:20] <nacc> ryzokuken: polls and the like are not appropriate for this channel
[16:21] <ryzokuken> nacc: okay
[16:25] <lollix01> Hey guys, is it possible to make the windows buttons (close, minimize and fullscreen) stay on the windows' instead of the unity panel when in fullscreen?
[16:26] <xangua> lollix01: no, use a more "traditional"desktop like xfce or KDE
[16:26] <xangua> And mate/lxde
[16:27] <aadi> is there any solution to the full screen bug that is happening in my ubuntu 17.04 :(
[16:30] <lollix01> Too bad, I actually use a lot CDE and Xfce on Slack, but I installed ubuntu just to test unity before it gets dropped. Too bad, thanks anyways.
[16:30] <nacc> aadi: what bug is that?
[16:32] <aadi> nacc, Most of the times I exit the fullscreen in chrome(mostly), unity got stuck, My top and side bars are gone and I have to restart the lightdm.
[16:35] <nacc> aadi: hrm, that does seme odd
[16:36] <Wulf> Hello
[16:36] <sary> Do you get the same behavior in firefox or other apps!
[16:36] <sary> Hey
[16:37] <Wulf> Ubuntu 16.04, gnome3 desktop. In settings/printers, the "+" button to add printers is greyed out. What am I missing?
[16:38] <aadi> sary, firefox runs fine but I encounter this same problem with sublime too
[16:40] <aadi> sary, I have isntalled beta version of chrome too also deleted the config files then also this problem persist. This is annoying af :(
[16:46] <sary> aadi: annoying indeed! is your system up to date! are you using the proprieraty video driver!
[16:47] <sgen> How can I map /media/user/drives to /dev/sdx ?
[16:48] <nacc> sgen: can you rephrase that? the first is a path, the second is a devnode. Do you want to mount /dev/sdx (for some specific x) on /media/user/drives?
[16:49] <sary> Wulf: I'm running the same setup, and i can add printers from settings. #For now, Try Alt+F2 and run system-config-printe , or use use cups to add printer http://localhost:631
[16:49] <Wulf> sary: no, I want to get it running
[16:49] <Wulf> I know about the other ways
[16:50] <sgen> nacc: I have several drives mounted and Im trying to figure out which drives contain what data. I know which /media/ paths contain the data, but Im not sure which devnodes theyre on.
[16:51] <nacc> sgen: look in the `mount` output
[16:51] <sgen> nacc: Thank you!
[16:51] <nacc> sgen: why do you need to know which devnode they correspond to?
[16:52] <aadi> sary, My system is up to date and I am not using propieraty driver.
[16:52] <qqumber> and as the lord condemned the gays from heaven, the atheists endulged in homosexual activity.
[16:53] <Southern_Gentlem> Pici ty
[16:56] <sgen> nacc: I have a bunch of drives with varying partitions and contents and Im trying to figure out what data is on which physical drive
[16:56] <sary> aadi: SO sublime acts like so : https://youtu.be/Rd9OfqtS7Nw
[16:58] <nacc> sgen: right, but why does the physical drive matter? you have them all mounted it seems
[16:59] <sgen> nacc: Im going to be physically unmounting some and I need to make sure I dont unmount the wrong ones! I know where the data is folder wise but not drive wise.
[16:59] <sgen> my hard drives are a mess atm
[16:59] <nacc> sgen: ok
[17:00] <sary> aadi: which Destop environment in use!
[17:03] <aadi> sary, the default ubuntu's one
[17:05] <aadi> sary, sublime too got stucks like chrome
[17:07] <sary> aadi: That's Unity i think, I would report this in #ubuntu-unity
[17:08] <OnkelTem> Hi all. For some reason all SMB shares have disappeared
[17:08] <OnkelTem> it just worked, but now no more
[17:09] <OnkelTem> How to see the list of shares? In Dolphin (I'm on KDE) folders are displayed as being shared
[17:09] <OnkelTem> nbut I dpom
[17:09] <OnkelTem> but I don't see a thing
[17:15] <aadi> sary, okay :(
[17:40] <confused_soul> hello friends, I'm having a lot of trouble installing ubuntu on a new computer. If someone can walk me through the installation process and get me up and running I am willing to compensate you with $$
[17:41] <edwinksl> just go ahead and describe the problems you faced
[17:41] <immu> lol
[17:41] <edwinksl> also i don't believe this channel provides paid support but i could be wrong
[17:41] <confused_soul> hahaha
[17:43] <confused_soul> so right now whenever i get to the installation part it fails with an IO error. Checked the checksums on the USB and all was good, and i was able to start up in "try linux" mode (although i did have to use nomodeset)
[17:43] <immu> what trouble are you having installing ubuntu
[17:44] <confused_soul> also i cant shut my computer down without forcing it, and i when i do shut down i see TONS of SQUASHFS errors before the screen goes black
[17:44] <confused_soul> ill try and install it again and give you the exact problem
[17:44] <akik> confused_soul: did you manage to write the installation iso without errors?
[17:44] <confused_soul> yes
[17:45] <confused_soul> and the checksums match
[17:46] <immu> did u install it ?
[17:47] <confused_soul> no, its not installed
[17:47] <wyth> I've had issues with unetbootin in the past if that's what you used. You can also try rufus
[17:47] <confused_soul> i turned secure boot off and i made a nice partition for it though
[17:47] <immu> can you go ahead and install it
[17:47] <confused_soul> installing now, ill let you know what errors come up
[17:47] <ducasse> confused_soul: which version are you installing?
[17:48] <confused_soul> ubuntu 16.0.4 windows 64 bit
[17:48] <confused_soul> LTS
[17:48] <wutr> Hello all, hoping to get some confusion sorted: I've bought a new 525GB Crucial MX300 SSD and that will be the only storage in my laptop so I'm going to reinstall. Is it good enough to have one big partition mounted to / and not bother with a separate swap and home partition?
[17:50] <nacc> confused_soul: 'ubuntu 16.04 windows'?
[17:51] <confused_soul> nacc that sounds right
[17:51] <confused_soul> my bad, not 16.0.4, its 16.04
[17:51] <ducasse> where did the 'windows' bit come from?
[17:52] <nacc> wutr: that is certainly one approach, you can also use swap files rather than swap partitions (but not if you want hibernation)
[17:52] <nacc> confused_soul: what is 'ubuntu windows'??
[17:52] <confused_soul> lol jk definitely didnt say that
[17:53] <confused_soul> its 64 bit amd
[17:53] <wutr> nacc: thanks I didn't realise hibernate wasn't available with a swap file instead of partition. I'm still debating whether to use hibernate on an SSD.
[17:54] <nacc> wutr: that's my recollection, at least, i'd need to check to confirm
[17:55] <ducasse> nacc: pretty sure that's correct
[17:55] <JPelletier> I  randomly get freezing after Grub menu on reboot. Can I find a log somewhere to help me diagnose what happen? Nothing is logged in journalctl
[17:55] <confused_soul> "The system log from your installation contains an error. the specific error commonly occurs when there is an issue with the  media from which you were installing. "
[17:56] <confused_soul> however, i literally just checked the disk before this and all files were fine
[17:56] <confused_soul> should i try a different usb port? lol
[17:57] <ducasse> have you got a different usb stick you can try?
[17:57] <confused_soul> unfortunately no. the stick im using is sandisk 32 GB
[17:59] <JPelletier> And what you used to create your usb ?
[18:00] <wutr> nacc: apparently uswsusp is used for hibernating to a swap file so that might work, but as it's an SSD and I'm allocating a certain size for the swap file, wouldn't it be easier to make a partition?
[18:01] <nacc> wutr: yeah, there's not really any difference. A swap file is convenient to add swap when you don't have a swap partition
[18:02] <oerheks> 17.04 uses a swap-file
[18:02] <confused_soul> JPelletier: rufus
[18:03] <nacc> oerheks: right, on a fresh install only (not on upgrades)
[18:03] <confused_soul> and a the 16.04-amd.iso file
[18:03] <wutr> oerheks: do you know if that's configured for hibernation correctly?
[18:04] <JPelletier> Ok try with unetbootin
[18:04] <oerheks> wutr, i have not investigated that yet, i wonder what will happen when you have encrypted filesystem and such
[18:04] <JPelletier> For ubuntu server, I use Rufus but for Desktop, I had more success with unetbootin
[18:04] <confused_soul> JPelletier: interesting
[18:05] <oerheks> dd bs=4M if=/path/to/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX* status=progress && sync
[18:05] <wutr> oerheks: I'd be using the full disk encryption feature of the SSD, which is why I'm looking at hibernating instead of suspend
[18:05] <confused_soul> JPelletier: Ill do it then let you know if it works
[18:06] <JPelletier> confused_soul
[18:06] <JPelletier> Perfect
[18:08] <wutr> nacc: do you have a swap file or partition? or none at all?
[18:08] <nacc> wutr: i have a swap file, but only because i was starting to actually need it with my workload on this machine. Prior, i had none at all
[18:09] <wutr> nacc: I see so you added it later. SSD or HDD?
[18:10] <nacc> wutr: i have an SSD
[18:11] <wutr> nacc: ok thanks for now. I'll have a further look into ubuntu's swapfile hibernate function
[18:13] <rfleming> Would someone provide some clarity to this doc? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE/PentiumM
[18:13] <rfleming> In it, the author says two partitions, but then calls them /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 ... would that not be 1 partition?
[18:14] <nacc> rfleming: where do they say two partitions?
[18:14] <nacc> rfleming: they say "partition and format USB stick, in this example, /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1"
[18:14] <nacc> rfleming: /dev/sdb is the stick, /dev/sdb1 is the partition on the stick
[18:14] <rfleming> you have a nack for making me facepalm nacc
[18:14] <nacc> rfleming: yw? :)
[18:15] <rfleming> you're right!  and I've read this 3 ways to sunday
[18:15] <nacc> rfleming: sometimes fresh eyes is all it takes
[18:16] <rfleming> mkvfat is fat32 no?
[18:17] <akik> mkfs.vfat, yes
[18:17] <nacc> rfleming: i believe so
[18:18] <rfleming> OK, just checking.
[18:23] <rfleming> Trying to get Mate working on an old Centrino/PentiumM :)
[18:23] <rfleming> ... because, why not.
[18:29] <jemark> rfleming: it should work :-)
[18:30] <rfleming> Booted up XP no problem!
[18:30] <rfleming> took 2m 30s, but hey, whatcha gonna do?
[18:31] <rfleming> I must not have followed instructions well, I get a flashing cursor
[18:31] <jemark> rfleming: yes, DOS will be quicker ;-)
[18:32] <rfleming> jemark: it was quite the IT find... one of those indestructible IBM ThinkPads
[18:34] <SchrodingersScat> rfleming: sometimes I think something isn't right on the usb when you get flashing cursor and nothing else, i could be wrong.  might be worth reimaging?
[18:36] <jemark> rfleming: also check if you're using the 32bit version.
[18:37] <jemark> rfleming: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions/before--after
[18:37] <rfleming> yeah, it's 32 bit mate
[18:37] <rfleming> Ooh, grub install is trying to install for x86_64-efi
[18:38] <jemark> rfleming: what is your laptop model?
[18:38] <rfleming> ThinkPad X40 :D
[18:39] <jemark> rfleming: then it isn't 32 bit
[18:39] <jemark> rfleming: can you give the file name of the iso file?
[18:40] <rfleming> ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-i386.iso
[18:40] <xRob_> I can't get ubuntu to play any sound whatsoever, I've tried everything
[18:41] <xRob_> It works in windows though, so it the physical hardware works
[18:41] <rfleming> jemark: but the machine I'm running grub-install on is 64bit
[18:43]  * jemark getting confused
[18:43] <rfleming> jemark: wait, am I supposed to mount the MATE ISO and run grub-install from it?
[18:44] <rfleming> I'm doing this all from my 17.04 ubuntu-gnome system
[18:44] <akik> rfleming: no you run the install from the iso you wrote on some media
[18:44] <jemark> rfleming: what are you trying to do with the Thinkpad X40?
[18:44] <rfleming> install ubuntu and ditch windows. :)
[18:45] <akik> rfleming: the installation takes care of grub-install by itself
[18:45] <rfleming> akik: no, I Centrino/PentiumM doesn't announce PAE so install fails
[18:46] <akik> rfleming: you can give it "forcepae" kernel parameter during the installation boot
[18:47] <rfleming> I thought I tried that without success
[18:47] <Sleaker> ahh yah some P chips had PAE bit not public.
[18:47] <jemark> rfleming: indeed rfleming, Ubuntu doesn't have non-pae kernels in the repository anymore.
[18:47] <nacc> rfleming: if for some reason that didn't work, the guide you found is for *modifying* a usb installer
[18:48] <Sleaker> rfleming: are you getting the error 'kernel requires features not present on the CPU: PAE' ?
[18:48] <Sleaker> if not, then it's not PAE issue.
[18:48] <rfleming> Sleaker: yeah, that looks about right
[18:49] <Sleaker> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
[18:49] <rfleming> just using etcher to burn mate back onto a key
[18:49] <rfleming> will try forcepae
[18:49] <Sleaker> rfleming: during the installer you need to use advanced options and turn on forcepae -- forcepae both before and after the --
[18:50] <Sleaker> this sets the installer to turn on forcepae for the chroot env during installation (the installed system)
[18:50] <rfleming> I think that's where I went wrong
[18:50] <jemark> rfleming: I've sent you the link regarding the forcepae already
[18:50] <Sleaker> rfleming: if you do that you wont have to mess wtih grub manually.
[18:52] <rfleming> waiting for the installer
[18:54] <rfleming> ...casper/initrd.lz quiet splash forcepae -- forcepae
[18:54] <rfleming> WARNING: Forcing PAE in CPU flags
[18:54] <rfleming> ok, last time I missed the second forcepae
[18:54] <rfleming> MATE is booting.
[18:54] <rfleming> Thanks everyone! :)
[18:56] <jemark> rfleming: ok, have fun
[18:56] <rfleming> jemark: gives me something to do at work for a bit
[18:57] <jemark> rfleming: yeah :)
[18:58] <rfleming> Will I have to fix grub after install, or will it be alright?
[18:58] <rfleming> one way to find out I guess :)
[18:59] <swift110> hey guyds
[18:59] <rfleming> hey swift110
[18:59] <wyth> I'm getting CPU lockups whenever I try to mount my LVM, and I'm not quite sure how to proceed. Running Ubuntu Server, and it won't boot unless I comment out the line in fstab that would be mounting it. Here's a snippet I found in the kern.log if anyone has any ideas? https://pastebin.com/mY2aKv8m
[18:59] <akik> rfleming: if you had forcepae both before --- and after --- it should be ok
[18:59] <swift110> how are you rfleming
[19:00] <rfleming> swift110: not bad... playing with ancient hardware :)
[19:00] <wyth> I ran e2fsck on the volume and it comes back clean
[19:01] <rfleming> wyth: you recently upgrade your kernel?
[19:01] <wyth> Also updated the kernel to 4.11.7-041107-generic
[19:01] <wyth> rfleming: Yeah, tried that last night but it didn't make a difference
[19:02] <tekisui> hello
[19:02] <immu> hello
[19:02] <tekisui> how i set up sudo firewall ?
[19:02] <tekisui> the modem provides ?
[19:02] <wyth> rfleming: The LVM worked fine before, but I just added a new disk to it yesterday and ever since then I've been having this issue. Everything appeared to be done correctly, but after rebooting I ran into this
[19:02] <tekisui> or need software on pc
[19:02] <tekisui> ?
[19:03] <rfleming> tekisui: Ubuntu uses ufw for firewall
[19:03] <immu> sudo firewall
[19:03] <tekisui> ufw
[19:03] <rfleming> sudo apt-get install ufw
[19:03] <tekisui> is standard in 16.04 ?
[19:03] <tekisui> danke
[19:03] <rfleming> tekisui: ufw is standard
[19:04] <tekisui> aiai well seems solid
[19:04] <tekisui> but now it says to autoremove
[19:04] <rfleming> !ufw
[19:04] <tekisui> once it really messed system
[19:04] <tekisui> it say will clean 3 gb ?
[19:05] <tekisui> am used to windows 95; 200 mb :)
[19:05] <rfleming> that isn't related to ufw
[19:05] <tekisui> ah ok
[19:05] <tekisui> no need for autoremove to keep system clean ?
[19:06] <tekisui> after ufw command it says passed
[19:06] <tekisui> then suggested to do autoremove
[19:06] <rfleming> tekisui: old kernels and dependencies that no longer are needed
[19:06] <tekisui> ok
[19:07] <tekisui> well i will try
[19:07] <tekisui> fingers crossed :D
[19:07] <rfleming> tekisui: check the link I sent above for UFW, has GUI programs for it
[19:07] <tekisui> gui
[19:07] <rfleming> graphical
[19:08] <tekisui> ah graphical
[19:08] <tekisui> :)
[19:08] <tekisui> cpu / gpu
[19:08] <tekisui> some hassle with amd video cards still ?
[19:08] <tekisui> i tried nvidia
[19:08] <tekisui> but got intel -_-
[19:09] <rfleming> wyth: I don't know exactly what's goign on
[19:09] <rfleming> other than you have a problem with suspend from resume which causes problems with your disks
[19:11] <wyth> rfleming: Hm.. I don't know either. Are there other logs that would be helpful to check?
[19:12] <jemark> tekisui: windows 95? lol
[19:12] <rfleming> wyth: Unfortunately, this is above my level of expertise.
[19:12] <Bohemus> is there any program I can use to normalize MP3's that has multithreaded support?
[19:12] <tekisui> lubuntu looks a bit same :)
[19:12] <rfleming> wyth: is it only on boot?
[19:15] <rfleming> wyth: are you using mainline kernels, or rolling your own?
[19:16] <wyth> rfleming: Mainline kernels. And it happens whenever I try to mount it. So if I comment out the line in fstab to boot, and then uncomment it and try to mount it does the same thing
[19:16] <rfleming> Bohemus: at the command line, or in a GUI?
[19:16] <rfleming> wyth: what happens if you mount it manually, without using fstab?
[19:16] <rfleming> (leaving the fstab entry commented out, and manually using mount and the right options)
[19:17] <jemark> Bohemus: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/audacity/
[19:17] <Bohemus> rfleming: GUI preferred but not necessary. Tried "normalize-audio" from the repos and get a segfault when running
[19:17] <wyth> rfleming: Hm, worth a try. One moment
[19:18] <zach> This is a giant fail: " * How HBO's Silicon Valley built "Not Hotdog" with mobile TensorFlow,
[19:18] <zach> How come Ubuntu is advertising in our MOTD now?
[19:18] <foist> n
[19:18] <jemark> Bohemus: or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/easymp3gain-gtk
[19:18] <akik> zach: no way?
[19:18] <rfleming> Bohemus: GUI then what jemark said with Audacity, using the normalize chain.
[19:19] <zach> Yes, that shows up in the MOTD
[19:19] <tekisui> i wanna send ubuntu a mail to provide a mobile phone cloud - you could tune at home pc
[19:19] <nacc> zach: perhaps you configured your motd to do so
[19:19] <nacc> zach: certainly not there by default
[19:19] <Bohemus> jemark: thanks
[19:19] <jemark> Bohemus: you're welcome
[19:19] <Bohemus> rfleming: I'll try audacity as well. Where do I set the output bitrate for MP3, seems to default to 128kbit
[19:19] <wyth> rfleming: Appears to have seized up again
[19:20] <zach> http://i.imgur.com/je8OSJU.png
[19:20] <zach> akik: I would know if I did ;)
[19:20] <akik> zach: i hope you create a bug report
[19:20] <jemark> Bohemus: https://askubuntu.com/questions/246242/how-to-normalize-sound-in-mp3-files
[19:21] <rfleming> wyth: Not one clue man.
[19:22] <Bohemus> jemark: yes followed that link. Doesnt mention how to make it export MP3's with any bitrate higher than 128kbit
[19:22] <rfleming> Bohemus: should be set in the export settings for mp3 files
[19:22] <nacc> zach: akik: interesting, it's coming from https://motd.ubuntu.com/
[19:23] <wyth> rfleming: Well thanks for trying/giving me ideas at least. :)
[19:24] <rfleming> wyth: does lsblk show you the volume?
[19:24] <tekisui> they say memory above 8 gb gets unstable
[19:24] <rfleming> Without mounting
[19:24] <nacc> zach: can be disabled by editing /etc/default/motd-new
[19:24] <nacc> *motd-news
[19:24] <rfleming> tekisui: they would be full of crap :)
[19:24] <tekisui> hmm i dunno..
[19:24] <zach> nacc: indeed. Still kind of pissed that they're advertising in it.
[19:24] <tekisui> i swear to fat32
[19:25] <nacc> zach: i don't think it's intended to be advertising, but I can see how it might seem that way
[19:25] <rfleming> FYI, MATE is still installing on this X40 :)
[19:25] <nacc> zach: as in, i think the intention was to point out ubuntu was used, not that HBO has this show
[19:25] <nacc> zach: sorry for not believing you
[19:25] <zach> Irregardless, it's advertising ;-)
[19:26] <JPelletier> If I have random black screen freeze after GRUB menu (even from the USB Installer), is it a bios issue ?
[19:26] <zach> Don't get me wrong, it's a great show -- but I don't think that should be in a MOTD
[19:26] <tekisui> bye folks
[19:26] <tekisui> tnx
[19:26] <nacc> zach: i agree, file a bug, imo
[19:26] <rfleming> zach: it's actually not about the show... I think it's more about the fact that they built something with Ubuntu... in this case a real AI that can detect whether something is a hot dog
[19:27] <zach> It's still advertising
[19:27] <wyth> Aha, so maybe this is telling "table: 253:2: adding target device (start sect 17581563904 len 15627984896) caused an alignment inconsistency" If this is a bad superblock or something, wouldn't I be using e2fsck to repair it?
[19:27] <nacc> zach: if you file the bug, i'll make sure it gets to the right people
[19:27] <rfleming> wyth: you said it was an LVM though, no?
[19:27] <wyth> rfleming: Yes
[19:28] <rfleming> Uhh
[19:28] <rfleming> can you mount the LVM, just not the partition?
[19:29] <rfleming> I think you need to check your LVM before you check your partition inside the volume
[19:29] <wyth> rfleming: I'm not sure how to do that? Wouldn't mounting the LVM be mounting each of the physical volumes in the volume group?
[19:29] <rfleming> wyth: you're doing fsck on /dev/LV/lvol0 right?
[19:30] <rfleming> wyth: anything interesting come when you lvdisplay?
[19:30] <jeffreylevesque> anyone here have experience using selinux instead of apparmor on trusty64?
[19:30] <wyth> rfleming: I ran it on /dev/mapper/media-volume (The VG is named media)
[19:31] <rfleming> I'm not much of an LVM guy, is there a way to check the consistency of the volume group?
[19:31] <wyth> rfleming: Nothing seems to stand out to me. https://pastebin.com/QpU68Jm8
[19:32] <zach> generating bug report....
[19:32] <wyth> rfleming: I'll try googling that, seems like a good direction to go into
[19:34] <rfleming> wyth: what happens if you boot into a livecd, does the drive crash the livecd?
[19:35] <zach> nacc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-files/+bug/1701068
[19:36] <UUID02> so I have issues, someone is generating traffic to my server (not via HTTP) and there are almost no logs... what's the best way to get IPs? staring at iftop is not really productive, any tips?
[19:37] <zach> UUID02: tcpdump ?
[19:37] <nacc> zach: tyvm
[19:37] <tcpdump> UUID02: zach ?
[19:37]  * zach eyes tcpdump 
[19:37] <tcpdump> nacc: yvw
[19:38]  * tcpdump captures zach 's glare and records it.
[19:38] <nacc> tcpdump: please don't just contribute spam to the channel.
[19:38] <UUID02> its not constant... im getting ddosed every few hours for a few seconds <.<
[19:38] <tcpdump> nacc: yea, it looks pretty busy right now...
[19:39] <nacc> tcpdump: that's irrelevant to being ontopic.
[19:39] <zach> UUID02: yeah just do some packet captures
[19:39] <tcpdump> UUID02: you have a firewall ahead of i?
[19:39] <tcpdump> it
[19:40] <UUID02> it's hosted at ovh... so yes but it's useless
[19:40] <tcpdump> UUID02: yea, im sure it does nothing to mitigate it.
[19:40] <tcpdump> What are you trying to capture? the source?
[19:40] <UUID02> yeah
[19:41] <tcpdump> thats why I asked if you have a firewall.
[19:41] <tcpdump> See if yo can find the sources with the highest packet count today.
[19:45] <UUID02> I dont, the one ovh has just allows you to allow/drop traffic :( atm Im just printing iftop and waiting for next hit, it should pop out if there's only a few IPs
[19:46] <UUID02> too bad iftop in textmode won't print timestamps >.<
[19:48] <zach> UUID02: run tcpdump or wireshark
[19:50] <UUID02> ill try, thx :)
[19:52] <rfleming> wyth: any luck?
[19:54] <wyth> rfleming: Not yet. Don't have an optical drive to create the bootable media
[19:55] <rfleming> wyth: boot from USB?
[19:55] <wyth> rfleming: I used a liveusb to originally make the server, but I can't really test the LVM that way because the drives that comprise of it take up all the usb slots
[19:55] <Sleaker> ^ use a USB stick?
[19:55] <rfleming> oooh
[19:55] <Sleaker> that's a very odd way to boot a machine...
[19:55] <rfleming> LVM over USB?
[19:55] <wyth> rfleming: I know, I'm an A-hole. :P
[19:55]  * rfleming isn't touching that comment with the longest pole in the world.
[19:56] <Sleaker> more on the line of.. seems like a terrible idea.
[19:56] <wyth> The LVM isn't my boot
[19:56] <wyth> The one in question is just media storage. But it prevents boot when it tries to mount during the process
[19:58] <wyth> I think I'll end up having to go through the process of removing the disk from the array, and seeing if I can get it back to working without the new disk at least
[19:59] <wyth> I can't seem to find a way that checks the volume consistency.
[20:06] <Thorax> Evening all. Can anyone tell me if its possible to get my hands on the Gnome version of Ubuntu thats in development?
[20:11] <leftyfb> Thorax: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:12] <tcpdump> Thorax: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/17.04/release/
[20:12] <minimec> Thorax: You could create a virtual machine with a daily build of ubuntu 17.10. See --> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:12] <leftyfb> Thorax: that is the current in-development version of ubuntu
[20:12] <tcpdump> or that
[20:12] <Thorax> Awesome, thank you leftyfb!
[20:12] <tcpdump> minimec: will Ubuntu and Ubuntu Gnome be different things?
[20:13] <minimec> tcpdump: As far as I know, not anymore.
[20:13] <Thorax> tcpdump, I thought the idea was they wouldnt
[20:13] <tcpdump> hmm
[20:13] <tcpdump> interesting
[20:13] <Thorax> Which is great if you ask me
[20:13] <tcpdump> they merged them in 17.10 maybe?
[20:13] <tcpdump> Because I see the link I had was 17.04
[20:14] <Thorax> I just realised. We will be getting Ubuntu with Gnome as the default DE in less than 4 months!
[20:16] <zach> Gnome is such a resource hog though...
[20:16] <Thorax> tcpdump, https://ubuntugnome.org/category/news/
[20:16] <zach> But it sure is better looking than Unity
[20:16] <Thorax> zach, People still have the choice to use something else. And its no more of a hog than Unity. And it can be trimmed down
[20:17] <zach> xfce or mate for me
[20:17] <Thorax> xfce every time over mate
[20:17] <nikitamog> Is there a better command than nohup for ubuntu's default virtual terminal?
[20:17] <Thorax> Mate is so clunky
[20:17] <zach> Indeed Thorax
[20:18] <minimec> zach: enlightenment e21 with an adapted gnome-session fo me...
[20:18] <zach> well just as long as we're not running KDE ;-)
[20:18] <minimec> zach: +1 ;)
[20:20] <notdaniel> ive been using ubuntu-gnome and was thrilled when the announcement came. will wait for lts though myself
[20:21] <Thorax> zach, plus +1000
[20:22] <Thorax> KDE could be so nice if they just dropped half the shit
[20:22] <Thorax> I dont need a million programs made specifically for KDE
[20:31] <MobileRoey> hi!
[20:31] <MobileRoey> Drone`, hey again
[20:32] <MobileRoey> hey my do-release-upgrade fails with "E: The package linux-headers-4.8.0-51-generic needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.  I tried removing this package, but it gives me the same error
[20:35] <genii> !info linux-headers-4.8.0-51-generic
[20:35] <genii> !info linux-headers-4.8.0-51-generic artful
[20:35] <thewillo> should I make an ubuntu release with workarounds for every known ryzen bug?
[20:35] <DJones> MobileRoey: As far as Ican see, 17.04 only uses Linux 4.10
[20:36] <thewillo> I have the packages compiled
[20:36] <thewillo> all known bugs patched
[20:37] <MobileRoey> DJones, right
[20:37] <MobileRoey> DJones, the do-release-upgrade stopped midway through
[20:37] <MobileRoey> DJones, I ran it again and now I get an error.
[20:37] <MobileRoey> genii, I dunno, this is what apt-get told me
[20:37] <DJones> MobileRoey: You'll need to speak to the people that you;ve installed the 4.8 kernel from
[20:37] <genii> !info linux-headers-4.8.0-51-generic yakketty
[20:37] <genii> !info linux-headers-4.8.0-51-generic yakkety
[20:38] <genii> MobileRoey: So it stuck going from 16.10 to 17.04 ?
[20:38] <MobileRoey> correct
[20:39] <MobileRoey> genii, ^
[20:39] <genii> MobileRoey: What version does: cat /etc/issue   ..report?
[20:41] <denisbr> Hi, for use the KDE, the best choice is download from kubuntu iso or can i use the ubuntu iso and after install the kde using apt-get ?
[20:41] <Seveas> MobileRoey: and what does uname -a say?
[20:42] <notdaniel> denisbr, you can do it that way, but you best just use kubuntu
[20:42] <denisbr> notdaniel, ok, the kubuntu is officialy project from ubuntu ?
[20:42] <notdaniel> denisbr, yes
[20:43] <minimec> denisbr: There is a third option. If you don't like the current desktop environment, install 'tasksel' for the terminal. It gives you the possigility to remove the current environment and replace it with another one. I woul recommend to let 'ssh' always enabled int the tasksel option list.
[20:43] <notdaniel> and in most of the ubuntu flavors, if you were to apt install the other flavor, you're essentially getting what you would've from just downloading that ISO... except things also tend to break
[20:44] <denisbr> ok, thanks
[20:45] <Budgie^Smore> now if only I could get my netboot install to set the hostname I want :-/
[20:47] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: did you get further?
[20:48] <Budgie^Smore> nacc yeah I can the file created but getting it to set the hostname is proving a little tricky
[20:48] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: what is happening?
[20:48] <MobileRoey> Seveas, well yeah the kernel is 4.8
[20:49] <MobileRoey> 4.8.0-51-generic #54-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 25 16:32:21 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:49] <MobileRoey> so that's 16.10's kernel.
[20:49] <Budgie^Smore> nacc keeps setting it to unknown<random string> instead of "bootstrap" which is what I want even if I pass the name via the boot arguments
[20:49] <MobileRoey> genii, and /etc/issue says 16.10
[20:49] <Seveas> MobileRoey: so you didn't reboot yet after the failed dist-upgrade, that's good. Can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[20:49] <genii> sources.list must be for zesty then
[20:50] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: are you able to see 'bootstrap' anywhere on the installed system (e.g., in /etc)?
[20:50] <MobileRoey> Seveas, oh, see, they all say zesty
[20:50] <Seveas> MobileRoey: change them all back and apt-get install that package
[20:50] <Seveas> that may unwedge apt enough to let do-release-upgrade work again
[20:51] <Budgie^Smore> nacc no, /etc/hostname is set to unknow# and /etc/hosts also uses that one... can't think of any other place that would contain the hostname
[20:51] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: anyting in the install log that indicates an error?
[20:51] <Budgie^Smore> nothing obvious anyway :-/
[20:51] <MobileRoey> Seveas, alright, trying
[20:52] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: can you pastebin/link your preseed again? and what are you passing onthe kernel cmdline?
[20:52] <Budgie^Smore> nacc pretty sure I am hitting https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755848 but any work around seems not to work for me either. http://www.teuton.org/~budgie/ubuntu/preseed/base.cfg
[20:53] <Budgie^Smore> I have tried adding both hostname=unassigned-bootstrap or hostname=bootstrap and it didn't solve it
[20:53] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: is your dhcp server by any chance providing out a hostname?
[20:54] <Budgie^Smore> nacc not that I am aware of, it is a basic att router/dhcp unit
[20:54] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: debconf-get-selections --installer, from the installed system may help see if it's trying to set 'bootstrap'
[20:54] <MobileRoey> Seveas, https://pastebin.com/K70cj6QF
[20:54] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: i don't think hostname= will affect the installed system
[20:54] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: that's not preseed syntax
[20:54] <Seveas> MobileRoey: did you sudo apt-get update to refresh the package lists?
[20:54] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: and the installer's hostname does not generally mean anything to the installed system (iirc)
[20:55] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: or possibly, can you tell from the installer what the hostname is?
[20:55] <MobileRoey> Seveas, yes
[20:55] <Budgie^Smore> nacc you can look at /target/etc/hostname to see what the installer is going to set the installed hostname to
[20:56] <Seveas> oh, you ran dist-upgrade. That's *not* what I said.
[20:56] <Seveas> [22:50] <      Seveas> | MobileRoey: change them all back and apt-get install that package
[20:56] <Seveas> !info [22:50] <      Seveas> | MobileRoey: change them all back and apt-get install that package
[20:56] <Seveas> damn.
[20:57] <Seveas> !info linux-headers-4.8.0-51-generic
[20:57] <Seveas> !info linux-headers-4.8.0-51-generic yakkety
[20:57] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: have you tried passing 'netcfg/hostname=bootstrap' on the kernel commandline?
[20:57] <Seveas> it's there, so either your sources.list is wrong (please pastebin it), or you didn't actually apt-get update
[20:57] <MobileRoey> Seveas, I tried that
[20:58] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: and which ubuntu was this again (that you're trying to install)
[20:58] <MobileRoey> I tried apt-get install --reinstall linux-hedaers-blah-ablah
[20:58] <MobileRoey> Seveas, ^
[20:58] <Budgie^Smore> nacc that is what I am trying right now
[20:58] <Budgie^Smore> nacc 16.04 lts
[20:58] <Seveas> MobileRoey: pastebin your souruces.list please
[20:59] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: which iso, though. 16.04.0, .1, .2?
[20:59] <genii> Budgie^Smore: Alternately, you can do some post-install command to /target in the preseed which does something like pull a file containing the hostname you want off a webserver running on the same IP as the netboot server and then cat that into /etc/hostname
[20:59] <rifter> Lubuntu 16.10 : I am having a problem with a "login keyring" popup.  I am not using Ubuntu One or auto-login (these seem to be the focus of online answers).  The dialog box says the keyring was not unlocked when I logged in and asks for a password. I enter my account password and it says it is incorrect. One source says  to install seahorse and set the password in there. However, trying to choose "change password" there brings up the same keyring dialog, which
[20:59] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: i think it will matter based upon LP: #1452202
[20:59] <Seveas> MobileRoey: and the output of sudo apt-get update
[20:59] <rifter> thsi only started happening after I installed the nextcloud client and started a sync.  I am in LXDE.
[20:59] <max3> how do i replace my current shell process with a new login shell?
[21:00] <Budgie^Smore> nacc mini.iso so that it pulls all the packages from the repo (allows you skip the post-install update)
[21:00] <max3> just running bash on the cli doesn't do it
[21:00] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: which mini.iso, though?
[21:00] <Budgie^Smore> genii I know this but that seems a messed up work around
[21:00] <Seveas> max3: exec bash --login
[21:01] <MobileRoey> Seveas, https://pastebin.com/ZkV9H3VX
[21:01] <genii> Budgie^Smore: Well, if the d-i netcfg/hostname in preseed is broken, it's a kludge but would work
[21:01] <Budgie^Smore> nacc I think it was 16.04.2 since I downloaded it at the beginning of the month
[21:01] <hosas> I need help to get rid of "Ethernet Network () device not manage",  showing on my NetworkManager ..this was after I upgraded to 16.04 few days back
[21:02] <Seveas> MobileRoey: yakkity is not the correct spelling. It's yakkety. I'm guessing apt-get update was complaining a lot about not finding files :)
[21:02] <Budgie^Smore> nacc netcfg/hostname= didn't work either
[21:03] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: what's the hostname in the installer env?
[21:05] <Budgie^Smore> nacc unknown<random string>
[21:05] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: ok, so the installer is getting that hostname from somewhere (perhaps your dhcp server? or reverse-lookup of it's ip?)
[21:05] <nacc> Budgie^Smore: it does appear to be that bug, which is claiming to be fixed
[21:05] <Seveas> Budgie^Smore: actually random or something like the hosts mac address?
[21:06] <MobileRoey> Seveas, ahhh thank you
[21:06] <jellycode> Hi, I don't work with linux often, but i'm trying to install a package from a custom repo.  My debian machine can find the package, but my ubuntu cannot.  Is there an obvious reason why this would be?
[21:06] <jellycode> Does apt-get require "release" to match or something?
[21:06] <Budgie^Smore> Seveas seems like  random but let me pay a bit closer attention
[21:07] <nacc> jellycode: are you trying to get the same repository with 'stretch' and 'xenial' or something? (from your two systems)
[21:07] <Seveas> jellycode: not really. Are there other differences between the machines, such as x86 vs amd64 vs arm?
[21:07] <MobileRoey> ok
[21:08] <MobileRoey> so great, I did apt-get update
[21:08] <MobileRoey> then,
[21:08] <rifter> maybe I should rephrase my question in a simpler way. How do I get my "login keyring" password to be the same as my actual login password?
[21:08] <jellycode> nacc: I don't really know what those terms are supposed to signify.  I see xenial a lot and have come to assume it's a particular release .. but i dunno what you really mean in your question.
[21:08] <Seveas> rifter: use seahorse to change it
[21:08] <jellycode> @Seveas, that does seem to be the most likely case
[21:08] <nacc> jellycode: what are the sources.list files like in the two systems?
[21:08] <MobileRoey> I tried sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers-generic
[21:08] <nacc> jellycode: oh they are different architectures?
[21:08] <jellycode> @nacc i set the sources.list to be identical
[21:08] <Budgie^Smore> Seveas you are right, it is unknown<primary nic mac>
[21:08] <MobileRoey> Seveas, then I ran sudo apt-get -f install
[21:09] <MobileRoey> Seveas, and lo and behold it wnats to install the linux  kernel packages
[21:09] <jellycode> FYI, I Set "deb_architecture" to any when i made the package, that's
[21:09] <nacc> jellycode: maybe you are better off using a pastebin and showing us the output of `apt-get update; apt-get install <pkg>` from both systems
[21:09] <Seveas> Budgie^Smore: I have to admit it's been over a decade since I last worked with d-i, but I don't remember it having this behaviour. Smells like the dhcp server is sending that.
[21:09] <nacc> Seveas: i suspect so as well too
[21:10] <Seveas> jellycode: the repository would still need a Packages file for both architectures.
[21:10] <Budgie^Smore> Seveas yeah that is what it does stink of and that bug suggests it... stupid Arris router!
[21:11] <Seveas> Budgie^Smore: quick google finds this (mostly useless) bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/704768
[21:12] <jellycode> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44807022/travis-cant-find-debian-package-in-custom-source-repo-why
[21:12] <Seveas> Budgie^Smore: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106614/preseed-cfg-ignoring-hostname-setting answers 2 and 3 may help
[21:12] <Scoop7> Hello guys, I have started a process via my terminal in my VPS and I understand that when my ssh connection to my vps will gets timeouted the running process will stop running..? How to run the process without it ever stopping ?
[21:13] <Seveas> Scoop7: run it in a tmux session or make it a proper daemon.
[21:13] <Budgie^Smore> Seveas yeah I tried 3 and that doesn't work and I was trying to avoid 2 but it is starting to appear that that will be the only workaround for now
[21:13] <rifter> scoop7 what shell are you using? in some shells starting it with an & making it a background process is enough, when y ou disconnedct it keeps running. I believe in some shells you have to "disown" the process
[21:14] <jellycode> So, maybe if i upload the 64 bit package it will find it then, let me try
[21:16] <jellycode> Ok, i see now, the repo says indexed architecture is x86, so my test machine is probably x86 and the ones not working are probably x64
[21:16] <Scoop7> rifter not sure: ubuntu 16.04 default terminal logged to a centos 6.9 remote
[21:16] <rifter> when you are logged in type "echo $0" without the quotes
[21:16] <Seveas> Scoop7: echo $SHELL
[21:16] <rifter> that will tell you what the shell is
[21:17] <Scoop7> it gave   -bash
[21:17] <rifter> yeah $SHELL is supposed to be set - $0 always works though
[21:17] <rifter> god
[21:17] <rifter> er good
[21:18] <Scoop7> so adding & to the start should be enough ?
[21:18] <Scoop7> And of course another question - how can I monitor all my running background processes  and if needed - terminate them?:)
[21:19] <rifter> actually it looks like according to t his you need to nohup it https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3886/difference-between-nohup-disown-and
[21:19] <rifter> the jobs command will show what is connected to your current shell session but what you really want is "ps -ef" (no quotes)
[21:20] <Seveas> Scoop7: this smell like you should turn it into a proper service. Easy to do with simple systemd unit files
[21:20] <genii> Scoop7: top is also useful to see what chewing up cpu
[21:22] <swift110> hey genii
[21:22] <genii> swift110: Hello
[21:23] <rifter> well maybe, but maybe he is just firing off a job. That's what nohup and disown are for
[21:23] <rifter> anyone know how I can fix this keyring password issue?
[21:24] <Seveas> rifter: I gave you the answer to that 16 minutes ago :-)
[21:24] <jellycode> i see i386, i686, x86, etc... x64 vs amd64... i don't understand the details of the convention on when to use what
[21:25] <jellycode> So here, this guy's published a "386" package and "amd64" pacakge:
[21:25] <jellycode> https://github.com/mh-cbon/go-bin-deb/releases
[21:25] <rifter> sorry seveas I di dnot see it .. let me see if I can scroll up
[21:25] <jellycode> I can only ASSUME, that the amd64 will work for any 64 bit OS, and has nothing to do with actual AMD processor type
[21:26] <jellycode> And the 386... shouldn't it just be x86?
[21:26] <genii> jellycode: x86 and i386 are 32bit. x86_64 and amd64 are 64bit
[21:26] <rifter> Seveas : you said use seahorse to change it. I guess you did not see my question
[21:27] <Seveas> rifter: I did.
[21:27] <rifter> I already installed seahorse as I said above, and when I try to change the password, it pops up the same dialog box again.
[21:27] <jellycode> genii: is there a reason you know of why someone woud publish with a specific name like amd64, if it worked on any 64 bit OS?
[21:27] <rifter> and the password is not accepted
[21:28] <rifter> I gavce more details further up. I can repeat them
[21:28] <genii> jellycode: It's just tradition to call the 64bit amd64, because AMD was the one who invented the 64 bit extensions
[21:28] <Seveas> then you need to use the correct password to unlock it. If you don't remember that password, then you need to recreate the keyring
[21:28] <jellycode> genii :  how about the 386 name, doesn't it also work for 586 and 686?
[21:28] <rifter> seveas that is the point. I only ever had one password
[21:28] <genii> jellycode: But it doesn't actually matter if the CPU is AMD or Intel
[21:29] <genii> jellycode: Yep.
[21:29] <rifter> seveas this keyring business never showed up on this box before
[21:29] <Budgie^Smore> Seveas I just confirmed it is the stupid DHCP server on the arris router that is providing a "valid FQDN"!
[21:29] <rifter> seveas but okay how do I recreate the keyring? that might work
[21:29] <Seveas> rifter: apparently that's not true :) otherwise it wouldn't prompt
[21:29] <Seveas> rifter: I believe seahorse can delete a locked keyring
[21:30] <jellycode> genii, of course i wouldn't really care, but apparently the package manager apparently is using that as a lookup characteristic
[21:30] <rifter> seveas that does seem to be an option
[21:30] <rifter> seveas then once I do taht I create a new keyring and call it login?
[21:30] <Seveas> yeah, with the green + button
[21:31] <jellycode> genii: is there a place we can look to see what ubuntu actually looks for when it's deciding if there's a matching package?  Is it x64, amd64, all of the above, etc?
[21:32] <rifter> seveas thanks. That seems to be moving forward. I'll try logging out and in and starting  that app. Thank you for your help.
[21:33] <jellycode> genii : Ok, interesting....  https://codeshare.io/G8JAxj
[21:36] <genii> jellycode: In the Ubuntu scheme if you have typical intel or AMD, the two types are i386 and amd64. You can see what kinds your system will be able to run by: apt-config dump| grep Architectures   ( with uppercase A and s at the end)
[21:37] <jellycode> ok thanks, will be back later :)
[21:37] <genii> jellycode: apt will normally grab the default arch which is the one you are running ( usually amd64). You can specify another by appending :i386
[21:38] <genii> ( to the packagename)
[21:40] <rifter> seveas : looks like deleting  that keyring and creating a new one did the trick. I no longer get that dialog box and seahorse shows that it is unlocked
[21:41] <rifter> after I logged in again
[21:41] <rifter> so thanks guys
[21:44] <Scoop7> rifter the process will need to run for eternity(it will be crucial for my application), the only reason it could stop would be If I would manually stop it( would do some maitenance) or the server would die  so nohup doesn't the right thing in this situation ?
[21:45] <Scoop7> or should I go with systemd unit files  ?
[21:46] <bray90820> When did the latest LTS of ubntu come out
[21:46] <genii> bray90820: Thursday April 21 2016
[21:46] <bray90820> 2016 thanks
[21:47] <genii> bray90820: April every 2 years on the even years.
[21:47] <bray90820> Thanks
[21:47] <genii> :)
[21:50] <Scoop7> seveas can you comment my question, please ?
[21:50] <rifter> scoop7 what seveas suggested is the best solution
[21:51] <rifter> scoop7 I thought you were asking about a general situation. If you need something long running, you should indeed set it up in the init files
[21:52] <rifter> unfortunately I don't know systemd or I would try and help you
[21:58] <rifter> scoop7 it is, though, unit files you need to create as he said .. I'm trying to find some info
[21:58] <Scoop7> rifter: thank you - I am also looking up for that info
[22:01] <rifter> scoop7 my initial googling si finding info that may be old, but looks on the right track. This page talks about the locations on Ubuntu https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/368100/where-to-place-user-created-systemd-unit-files
[22:01] <rifter> scoop7 this one
[22:02] <rifter> scoop7 this one says it is geared for upstart users, but may have the info you need https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[22:02] <rifter> according to wikipedia systemd was written by redhat folks, and I did find some docs on their site as well. But I would focus on stuff that is geared to ubuntu
[22:03] <Scoop7> the remote vps os that I need the process to run is centOS, but I guess there are a lot of similiarities between the two, Also my vps is fully managed so I could ask the sysadmins to set it up I guess.
[22:03] <rifter> oh well then scoop7 the redhat docs will probably help you. Since CentOs is based on Fedora
[22:06] <rifter> scoop7 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sect-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Unit_Files.html
[22:06] <rifter> scoop7 that is the section on maintaining unit files on RHEL - they should be identical in CentOS
[22:06] <Scoop7> atm reading this very page. Thanks anyways rifter :)
[22:06] <rifter> cool
[22:06] <rifter> good luck
[22:48] <backnforth> Can someone help me get openvpn installed on ubuntu.. I currently get an error when I try to add a vpn on the dropdown menu
[22:58] <vlt> backnforth: There’s a solution.
[23:20] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hey my laptop ran out of juice during some write command, and now ext4 is saying I have a corrupted superblock, and I can not boot into my os. on livecd right now. What do/
[23:20] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ?
[23:20] <ulkesh> Quick question, when installing Ubuntu and it says "Erase disk and install Ubuntu"...will it then let me pick the disk?  I have 4 disks (not partitions, real disks) and I don't want some accidentally getting formatted.  I just want Ubuntu solely installed on one.
[23:21] <Bashing-om> Akiva-Thinkpad: spare off the super block : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2177756 .
[23:22] <vlt> Akiva-Thinkpad: I’d try `sudo fsck <device>`.
[23:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> vlt, okay will try. Bashing-om will check that out.
[23:24] <ulkesh> Nevermind, I'll just manually partition and try my hand at doing it right with UEFI boot partition/etc.
[23:32] <Bashing-om> akaWolf: The instructions for fsck - to be done 1st - is also in that thread .
[23:33] <Bashing-om> ulkesh: http://www.rodsbooks.com/linux-uefi/#oops <- Linux on UEFI:A Quick Installation Guide .
[23:50] <justJanne> Hey, I’ve got an issue: libwayland-client0:i386 conflicts with libwayland-client0:amd64. But I need libwayland-client0:i386 and :amd64 at the same time (due to a package with both of them as dependency)
[23:50] <justJanne> is there something broken with my package, with libwayland-client, or just my general config?
[23:50] <justJanne> multiarch-support is installed, dpkg knows about that arch,
[23:50] <justJanne> and I’m on ubuntu 16:04
[23:58] <nacc> justJanne: when you say conflicts, do you mean they both ship the same file(s)?
[23:59] <justJanne> nacc: I mean, dpkg reports them as conflicting,
[23:59] <justJanne> and refuses to install both
[23:59] <nacc> justJanne: pastebin?
[23:59] <justJanne> just the normal dpkg conflict output?
[23:59] <nacc> justJanne: pastebin whatever error you are getting