[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01]  * slangasek waves
[15:01] <rbalint> o/
[15:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 29 15:01:45 2017 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e doko bdmurray slangasek infinity sil2100 cyphermox tdaitx xnox mwhudson rbalint rcj philroche Odd_Bloke Tribaal fginther)
[15:02] <slangasek> fginther mwhudson Odd_Bloke doko infinity Tribaal xnox slangasek bdmurray rcj sil2100 cyphermox philroche rbalint tdaitx
[15:02] <slangasek> aaaaand go
[15:02]  * sil2100 starts running
[15:02] <fginther> nothing to speak of this week
[15:02] <fginther> done
[15:02] <slangasek> Odd_Bloke: next!
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> I was on vacation.
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> Very productive.
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> done
[15:03] <Tribaal> Highlight: Refactoring a bunch of things in the build system (\o/)
[15:03] <doko> - uploaded binutils to artful (trunk), fixing fall-out
[15:03] <doko> - updated GCC 6 again, fixing kernel build issue on arm64
[15:03] <doko> - some syncs and merges
[15:03] <doko> (done)
[15:04] <infinity> * All sorts of archive cleanup, making sure uninst stays at 0 (well, currently at 1, thanks Steve)
[15:04] <infinity> * Drive NBS almost down to 0 (2 more to go)
[15:04] <infinity> * More xenial HWE X reviews (and more to come)
[15:04] <infinity> * Back-and-forth with Andy, iterating on 4.10 linux-hwe (final iteration in flight as we speak)
[15:04] <infinity> * Debug glibc autopkgtest regression with new binutils (upload pending)
[15:04] <infinity> * Some SRU processing (these brackets left intentionally blank)
[15:04] <infinity> * A bit of archive recovery when SOMEONE broke gcc (doko, it was doko)
[15:04] <infinity> * Will be off Monday for the Canada Day long weekend (drunk on maple syrup)
[15:04] <infinity> (done)
[15:05] <doko> just syrup?
[15:05] <bdmurray> Tribaal: ?
[15:06] <Odd_Bloke> When you're snorting it, syrup is all you need.
[15:06]  * chiluk lurks 
[15:06] <xnox> bah
[15:06] <xnox> #highlight SOTA - OCaml 4.04 transition in progress
[15:06] <xnox> Publishing WSL app, should be finally in the store soon for Insiders.
[15:06] <xnox> Starting work on subiquity, poking subiquity code / probert / booting on s390x (many bugs in infra, livefs builders, cloudimages, maas images, s390x-specific)
[15:06] <xnox> Will be looking into adding vlan support into subiquity, whilst the s390x infra bugs are fixed.
[15:06] <xnox> systemd - cve fix for artful, together with fallback fix uploaded (pending adt testing)
[15:06] <xnox> intel-microcode backport done as an SRU for zesty
[15:06] <xnox> ship laptop to replace battery - not sure if i should ever use that laptop once it comes back
[15:06] <xnox> AbEnd 0C7
[15:07] <chiluk> xnox what's the plan on the SRU for everything else?
[15:08] <chiluk> that microcode issue may not be the most pressing, but it definitely has gotten a lot of press.
[15:08] <gaughen> chiluk, would you bring me some of your amazing coffee please? I hear it's great.
[15:08] <slangasek>  * discussions around team organization
[15:08] <slangasek>  * preparations/discussions for 16.04.3 and linux-hwe
[15:08] <slangasek>  * thinking deeply about proposed-migration issues
[15:08] <slangasek>  * next week: off Mon, Tue for the Independence Day holiday
[15:08] <slangasek> (done)
[15:08] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:08] <bdmurray> investigation into test_core_dump_packaged apport test failure
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded apport test fixes for x/y/z and upstream
[15:08] <bdmurray> cleanup of processes on cranberry due to high load RT
[15:08] <chiluk> gaughen:  did you c-tab again?
[15:08] <bdmurray> merge sil2100's bugbot changes for v-done tagged bugs
[15:08] <bdmurray> bugbot: Fix sru_verification_policy_change's call to bug.newMessage
[15:08] <bdmurray> bugbot: Fix sru_verification_policy_change's comment criteria
[15:08] <bdmurray> investigation into whoopsie bug LP: #1697375
[15:08] <rcj> gaughen: Lunch tomorrow is chicken fried steak for chiluk
[15:08] <bdmurray> special SRU release of nplan for 16.04
[15:08] <bdmurray> searched for duplicates of gnome-software bug LP: #1679435
[15:08] <bdmurray> reported bug re aptdaemon's crash handler LP: #1700810
[15:08] <bdmurray> reported update-manager bug LP: #1700829 re -d switch
[15:09] <bdmurray> merged MP regarding some ubuntu-manual-tests typos
[15:09] <bdmurray> investigation into unattended-upgrades bug LP: #1690980
[15:09] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:09] <rcj> rcj:
[15:09] <rcj> * mfdiff vastly upgraded, fixed, etc now with python3 support
[15:09] <rcj>   http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/mfdiff/revision/19
[15:09] <rcj> * lots of MP reviews
[15:09] <rcj> * started refactoring cloud-image build release automation
[15:09] <rcj> ✔ done
[15:09] <Tribaal> ohh "lots of MP reviews" too :)
[15:09]  * Tribaal piggybacks
[15:09] <sil2100> - Low-productive Monday due to cold aftermath
[15:09] <sil2100> - Fixed my internal kernel SRU notification script to not spam me with e-mails on an edge case
[15:09] <sil2100> - Backporting Balint's gce-compute-image-packages to stable releases
[15:09] <slangasek> doko: hey, did you see my IRC ping some time ago about the pillow transition from experimental being stuck in -proposed?
[15:09] <sil2100> - ubuntu-image:
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Prepare and test PR for fixing classic confinement
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Work on the implementation spec for classic images
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Reviewing some patches
[15:10] <sil2100> - SRU:
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Fixed all verification-done bugs to the new standard
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Sent out an announcement and ran one-shot script to inform old SRUs of the policy change
[15:10] <sil2100>   * HIGHLIGHT (?): SRU bug verification rules changed
[15:10] <sil2100> - New kernel re-spin review and release
[15:10] <sil2100> - Building new images for plano ubuntu-core
[15:10] <sil2100> (done)
[15:10] <doko> slangasek: Not touching package due to block request by freeze (contact #ubuntu-release if update is needed)
[15:10] <doko> ?
[15:12] <infinity> That freeze should be lifted soon, I assume.
[15:12] <philroche> * Build system refactoring
[15:12] <philroche> done
[15:12] <rbalint> * short week
[15:12] <rbalint> * cloud-init/systemd changes https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/326252
[15:12] <rbalint> * image minimizing LP: #1700972
[15:12] <rbalint> * livecd-rootfs changes LP: #1700995, LP: #1701132
[15:12] <rbalint> * new upstream releases for Debian unstable with scrubbing bugs: kodi, wireshark
[15:12] <rbalint> (no highlights for now)
[15:12] <rbalint> (done)
[15:12] <tdaitx> Short week: half-day on Friday, out on Monday
[15:12] <tdaitx> +1 maintenance:
[15:12] <tdaitx> - libqmi (LP: #1699599),python-pysam (LP: #1701268), eclipse-mylyn (LP: #1652759)
[15:12] <tdaitx> Other:
[15:12] <tdaitx> - got rid of the jet lag today \o/
[15:12] <tdaitx> - curious as to why do we even carry such an old eclipse version...
[15:12] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:14] <bdmurray> I think that's everyone slangasek
[15:15] <bdmurray> chiluk: Did your question get answered?
[15:15] <chiluk> bdmurray: not really.. but I think rbasak is taking point on that one.
[15:16] <slangasek> doko: you dropped the python-imaging package, and it has revdeps
[15:16] <doko> ahh, that one. I'll have a look
[15:16] <slangasek> Any questions over status?
[15:16] <chiluk> no one is actually assigned to any of the tracks in lp 1700373
[15:17] <xnox> chiluk, would you like to prepare sru for the other series?
[15:17] <chiluk> Yeah I can do that.
[15:17] <slangasek> tdaitx: any fixes for those bugs in need of sponsorship?
[15:17] <xnox> chiluk, cool.
[15:17] <chiluk> although I feel like i've missed some of the conversation xnox.
[15:18] <tdaitx> slangasek, no, might need for libcommons-lang-java soon (as soon as the reverse dependencies are all re-build)
[15:18] <chiluk> xnox... we need to get it fixed at least in Xenial imho.... Trusty is a different beast altogether, but probably should get it as well.
[15:19] <slangasek> tdaitx: ok
[15:20] <slangasek> no other questions?
[15:22] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bug triage
[15:22] <chiluk> I'm good...
[15:22] <slangasek> [LINK] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:22] <bdmurray> doko: Do you have any plans to SRU the fix for bug 1682934?
[15:23] <xnox> chiluk, yeah, so zesty microcode is in proposed. yakkety well, it may go eol soon enough, no?! but xenial is good.
[15:23] <doko> bdmurray: hmm, I didn't. do you want to see it there?
[15:23] <chiluk> xnox by xenial is good.. you mean that we should put it in xenial correct?
[15:23] <xnox> chiluk, trusty - microcode was in multiverse, not restricted. and it's very out of date, i do not think we should be updating it.
[15:24] <xnox> chiluk, as e.g. that microcode will break e.g. running .0 xenial containers / chroots
[15:24] <bdmurray> doko: I think so since it is causing upgrade failures.
[15:24] <chiluk> I'm in agreement with you about trusty... I think..
[15:24] <xnox> due to lock ellision bug.
[15:25] <chiluk> xnox.. i'm not privy to that bug.
[15:26] <chiluk> So let me make sure I understand this... a trusty host running xenial containers or chroots could potentially load the new microcode from the container due to a lock ellision bug?
[15:26] <bdmurray> With bug 1646739 it looks to me like it might be the issue where the debconf prompt is never presented.
[15:27] <bdmurray> I feel like there are a lot of duplicates of gnome-software not supporting debconf dialogs buried in LP.
[15:27] <slangasek> well, update-manager vs. gnome-software so different package
[15:27] <slangasek> update-manager should add the Depends on libfoo-perl
[15:28] <xnox> chiluk, no
[15:28] <xnox> chiluk, false
[15:28] <bdmurray> Unfortunately, afaict there isn't a great way to figure out if it is update-manager or gnome-software calling aptdaemon.
[15:28] <slangasek> I think there is a bug open about that, bdmurray ?
[15:28] <bdmurray> slangasek: Did you see chttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.0/+bug/1646739/comments/21
[15:30] <slangasek> bdmurray: right, but previously both update-manager and gnome-software had the bug, so we should make sure it's fixed in the packaging for both and then maybe mark all the rest of the existing bugs as duplicates of one or the other (at random)?
[15:30] <slangasek> and then if we get new bugs, that tells us something else
[15:32] <bdmurray> slangasek: Part of the issue is that we don't know which version of u-m or g-s was in use with the given logs.
[15:32] <slangasek> right
[15:33] <slangasek> bdmurray: if we fix the update-manager deps, can we track error rates to see if it tapers off as people upgrade to the SRU?
[15:34] <bdmurray> track the rate of errors of package install failures where $reply is uninitialized?
[15:34] <slangasek> bdmurray: also, should we log a bug that aptdaemon should have something in its protocol that asks the client to identify itself, so it can be logged? :/
[15:34] <slangasek> bdmurray: yeah
[15:35] <bdmurray> slangasek: yes something with aptdaemon needs to change and maybe RelatedPackageVersions should include g-s and u-m
[15:35] <slangasek> bdmurray: there's also the other bug, where if you close the frontend GUI and aptdaemon is still running, the other end of the debconf socket is disconnected and things will break
[15:35] <slangasek> bdmurray: right
[15:36] <bdmurray> slangasek: What is the update-manager dep you are referring to?
[15:37] <slangasek> bdmurray: update-manager should depend on libgtk2-perl, independently of gnome-software and software-properties-gtk depending on it
[15:37] <bdmurray> ack
[15:39] <slangasek> bdmurray: anything else on incoming bugs?
[15:40] <bdmurray> slangasek: Not on incoming, but I could use some assistance with bug 1690980.
[15:44] <slangasek> bdmurray: assigned!
[15:44] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:44] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:45] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 29 15:45:07 2017 UTC.
[15:45] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-06-29-15.01.moin.txt
[15:45] <slangasek> thanks, all!