[00:00] <justJanne> I’m sorry, but if you don’t understand what I’m trying to say, this isn’t very helpful. I’ll simply patch the package and move on
[00:00] <nacc> justJanne: afaict, the packages do not "conflict" with each other
[00:00] <nacc> justJanne: that's why i want to see the exact error message
[00:01] <Bashing-om> justJanne: If it is a packaging error . nacc will be interested to help resolve at *that* level .
[00:01] <justJanne> https://paste.kde.org/pyanngpyy
[00:01] <justJanne> unless this is cause of the KDE guys
[00:01] <justJanne> then I’ll go yell at them
[00:02] <justJanne> well, probably not yell
[00:02] <justJanne> but still
[00:02] <justJanne> ah, sorry.
[00:02] <justJanne> but they wouldn’t package with different conflicts, would they?
[00:03] <nacc> justJanne: so a ppa?
[00:03] <justJanne> nacc: well, the KDE neon repo.
[00:03] <justJanne> It’s not exactly a ppa
[00:03] <nacc> justJanne: right, not ubuntu
[00:03] <justJanne> well, it is ubuntu as much as kubuntu
[00:03] <justJanne> would be
[00:03] <nacc> justJanne: no, it's not.
[00:03] <nacc> justJanne: the neon folks do all sorts of bad things (that i've seen so far)
[00:03] <justJanne> Okay, if that’s what you want to believe.
[00:03] <nacc> justJanne: not kubuntu either
[00:03] <nacc> kubuntu is an official flavor
[00:04] <nacc> neon is not
[00:04] <justJanne> Well, I could now say what I think about this,
[00:05] <nacc> justJanne: in ubuntu (at least what i have handy) they both install fine. I think it's a neon packaging bug (you can see it's not a conflicts at the end, it's that the versions aren't matching up)
[00:05] <justJanne> but I’ll just mention a comparison with debian old-old-stable
[00:05] <nacc> justJanne: i don't know why you are mentioning that
[00:06] <justJanne> nacc: well, I wouldn’t need the neon repos if ubuntu wasn’t doing some nasty things
[00:07] <justJanne> I wouldn’t even be on ubuntu if it weren’t for some closed source drivers that are years out of date and don’t work anywhere else, in fact.
[00:07] <justJanne> everything is completely nasty bullshit
[00:07] <justJanne> sorry.
[00:07] <justJanne> I’ll go rant at AMD instead
[00:07] <justJanne> thanks for your help
[00:08] <nacc> justJanne: right, i think you're mistaken, but i have no context for what you're talking about. as far as I can tell, your issues are with neon not ubuntu.
[00:09] <swift110> wow
[00:11] <justJanne> nacc: the long story is that I could now link to Linus’ rant about packaging on linux distros, or I could just say thank you for your help, because no one in this channel can fix it anyway
[00:15] <glitsj16> justJanne: please save us the long story, the short version and anything else that isn't Ubuntu related.. nacc has been clear, your issue is neon related and that isn't supported here.. What's so exceptional about that?
[00:15] <justJanne> glitsj16: nothing, I never said it wasn’t
[00:15] <justJanne> I was merely responding to the statement that neon was doing nasty things
[00:16] <justJanne> which is also true
[00:16] <justJanne> but, sadly, the entire packaging situation is quite nasty
[00:16] <glitsj16> justJanne: you keep saying that, without being specific this is going nowhere fast :)
[00:16] <bazhang> justJanne, lets take the chatter elsewhere
[00:17] <justJanne> ^
[00:17] <justJanne> that’s why I won’t get specific ;)
[00:18] <justJanne> I only went on here because I had only checked the apt-cache entry for libwayland-client0:i386 at first, which blamed ubuntu, and only later noticed that the :amd64 package was from neon
[00:19] <bazhang> justJanne, this long ago left topical, please stop now
[00:20] <justJanne> bazhang: sure. But if others will keep asking questions, it’d be impolite, too, to ignore them.
[00:20] <bazhang> justJanne, no it wouldn't , thats far more than enough here
[00:21] <kenrin> I keep getting this popup "System program problem detected" on boot.  Where would I look to see what is causing it
[00:22] <kenrin> Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in OsAbort()
[00:26] <kenrin> Nevermind.  It was compiz complaining because I had Compton installed
[00:31] <azizLIGHT> i had to kill -15 notify-osd because of high cpu usage. how can i restart it? there doesnt seem to be a notify-osd program for me to launch. there is /usr/share/notify-osd but it is a dir
[00:35] <kenrin> Is it not under /usr/lib/notify-osd ?
[00:35] <trism> azizLIGHT: it is started by dbus when a notification is sent if it isn't already running
[00:36] <azizLIGHT> when i did notify-send test test, i got no notification
[00:36] <azizLIGHT> hmmm
[00:38] <kenrin> I see it at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/notify-osd
[00:43] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Quote the text ? notify-send "this is a test" .
[00:44] <MobileRoey> Seveas, thanks a lot, I'm running do-dist-upgrade fine now
[00:44] <MobileRoey> :)
[01:06] <alethurgy> hello?
[01:06] <alethurgy> I have a question regarding gnome-terminal am I in the right place to ask?
[01:07] <alethurgy> should I pm a support person specifically?
[01:08] <alethurgy> more context: it's regarding gnome-terminal settings and how they are stored in dconf for Ubuntu 16.04
[01:08] <alethurgy> more context: and how one can access a gnome-terminal profile'
[01:09] <Bashing-om> alethurgy: Just ask your question :)
[01:09] <alethurgy> more context: profile's name (it seems that visible-name is a key, but doesn't have a correct value)
[01:13] <alethurgy> Does anyone know how to access a gnome-terminal profile's name via dconf/gsettings? I am able to access all given profile's keys, and there is one called "visible-name". The value of this, however, is not the same as the value of the name according to the gnome-terminal GUI. It simply says 'Unnamed', even though via the GUI it has a name 'test' or something. Is maybe there a lag until this is updated? Or am I
[01:13] <alethurgy> looking in the wrong place at org.gnome.Terminal.Legacy.Profile:/UUID/ visible-name?
[01:17] <edwinksl> alethurgy: maybe this will help https://superuser.com/q/198046/53494
[01:19] <amosbird> where should  i place my customized x11 keymap config file?
[01:19] <amosbird> hi
[01:25] <Guest25252> hey im in a live cd. i need to wipe the partition table off my ssd, because it is corrupt, and i need to do a fresh install.
[01:26] <Guest25252> can i do this from the shell?
[01:27] <akik> Guest25252: sudo sgdisk --zap-all /dev/sdx
[01:27] <Guest25252> akik, thanks, will give it a shot
[01:28] <Bashing-om> Guest25252: If ya do a fresh install do you not get a fresh partition table ? By the way one can spare of the superblock from backups that are on the drive .
[01:28] <Guest25252> Bashing-om, couldnt find any superblock spares
[01:29] <Guest25252> its reallly annoying... i have a lot of data on this ssd,
[01:29] <howdyho> hi haven't used ubuntu in several years or longer put 17.04 on this old laptop after i load the OS a message comes up to upgrade to grub and i press forward button i have no idea if it's been upgraded but i can only get ubuntu software to load by only opening firefox web browser how do i know if im using grub or grub 2?
[01:31] <Bashing-om> Guest25252: ouch .. GPT partitioning ?
[01:45] <nostalgiccloud> https://www.ubuntu.com/containers/lxd
[01:45] <nostalgiccloud> Anyone here have experience with Ubuntu LXD Containers?
[01:54] <n-iCe> Hello, any way to play 4K videos? they just stop, but audio continue, 1080 videos are ok, both recorded from my phone
[01:54] <n-iCe> Thing is I recorded lot of videos without knowing in 4K! and I need to edit them
[02:05] <Nilesh_> hi
[02:06] <nostalgiccloud> Canonical has me lapping up their services.
[02:06] <nostalgiccloud> Ubuntu Server for production is so much nicer than anything i've ever used before
[02:13] <glitsj16> n-iCe: Have you tried mpv yet (with or without hardware decoding)? Running it from terminal could give some info on what might be needed to support 4K video..
[02:14] <n-iCe> mpv?
[02:15] <glitsj16> n-iCe: yes, a very capable media player
[02:15] <n-iCe> installed
[02:15] <n-iCe> does not open
[02:16] <n-iCe> was not installed
[02:16] <n-iCe> it it console based?
[02:16] <n-iCe> glitsj16, ok, did it, runs, but very slow
[02:16] <n-iCe> audio is ok though
[02:16] <glitsj16> not really no, has what it calls a 'pseudo-gui'
[02:17] <glitsj16> did you start it from terminal? look at its output for anything video related..
[02:17] <n-iCe> no from menu
[02:18] <glitsj16> well that works, but you miss the info you might need to see what it says about 4K support
[02:18] <glitsj16> feed it the path to your video file
[02:19] <n-iCe> I run it from terminal, no outputs in terminal
[02:19] <n-iCe> mpv --player-operation-mode=pseudo-gui -- %U
[02:19] <n-iCe> is what I used
[02:19] <n-iCe> without the %U
[02:25] <glitsj16> add -vvv to pump up its verbosity perhaps.. if you want, try installing pastebinit (if you haven't got that), run your command and pipe that to pastebinit (mpv ... | pastebinit) .. so the channel can see what mpv is doing exactly.. without such info things are very difficult to debug
[02:25] <glitsj16> !pastebinit
[02:42] <alethurgy> Does anyone know how to access a gnome-terminal profile's name via dconf/gsettings? I am able to access all given profile's keys, and there is one called "visible-name". The value of this, however, is not the same as the value of the name according to the gnome-terminal GUI. It simply says 'Unnamed', even though via the GUI it has a name 'test' or something. Is maybe there a lag until this is updated? Or am I
[02:42] <alethurgy> looking in the wrong place at org.gnome.Terminal.Legacy.Profile:/UUID/ visible-name? I can't figure out where gnome-terminal GUI is actually storing this information
[02:46] <glitsj16> alethurgy: Have you tried dconf-editor yet? You can do a search hrough all those keys/values with that..
[02:49] <alethurgy> glitsj16: hey sweet that worked -- it wasn't there before though
[02:50] <alethurgy> glitsj16: i remembered seeing no children under org.gnome.terminal.legacy -- only keys
[02:51] <glitsj16> alethurgy: yes that depends entirely on gnome-terminal, when & what it writes to dconf
[02:52] <alethurgy> glitsj16: interesting ok. thanks!
[02:52] <glitsj16> alethurgy: you're welcome :)
[02:52] <alethurgy> glitsj16: also, any idea why querying via gsettings returns a large list of key-value pairs, but dconf editor only shows a sparse few
[02:53] <glitsj16> alethurgy: dconf-editor filters away what doesn't fit your query i'd guess
[02:53] <alethurgy> glitsj16: for example, when looking at the profiles, it appeared that the default 'Unnamed' profile did not contain a 'visible-name' key at all, whereas the second one which had had it's name explicitly set did contain a 'visible-name' key-pair
[02:53] <glitsj16> and via gsettings you must be case-sensitive
[02:54] <alethurgy> glitsj16: no simply exploring through dconf-editors tree structure
[02:54] <glitsj16> alethurgy: odd though, was gnome-terminal still open when you used gsettings?
[02:54] <alethurgy> glitsj16: does that not turn up everything?
[02:54] <alethurgy> glitsj16: yeah
[02:55] <glitsj16> alethurgy: i don't use gnome-terminal, but when its open it probably doesn't dump to dconf untill all running processes are done
[02:55] <alethurgy> glitsj16: makes sense. ok, thanks again!
[02:55] <glitsj16> alethurgy: no trouble
[02:58] <glitsj16> alethurgy: a tip, all those keys are files, usually installed in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas .. so if you don't know what key to look for via gsettings, you can consult those files to find out
[02:59] <alethurgy> glitsj16: hey hey theeeeere we go!
[03:04] <nostalgiccloud> Strange question
[03:04] <rehat> I copied my public ssh key to the authorized_keys file on the server and still get a "Permission denied (publickey)" error when I try to ssh into it, anyone know what could cause that?
[03:04] <nostalgiccloud> How can I manually combine /, and /home
[03:04] <nostalgiccloud> ?
[03:06] <glitsj16> rehat: Did you configure the remote sshd for public key use? It will need a restart too if you edited configs.. have you checked those things yet?
[03:07] <rehat> glitsj16: I'll double check that thanks
[03:17] <rehat> shit in vi I somehow lost the first 's' in my key when I pasted it into the authorized_keys lol
[05:06] <untoreh> hello, does anyone know how to setup zfs-fuse? I can't start the daemon, it literally does not even start the process because there is no reaping going on
[05:11] <sary> untoreh: #See : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
[05:18] <Splintter> hol
[05:20] <Splintter> edwinksl, eres Ciudad: Cambridge,
[05:22] <Splintter> ubuntu 17 de 32 bits en canaima, funciona
[05:23] <keanne> anyone played with a gsm modem to dial a phone number and play a recorded message then hang-up in ubuntu?
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> !es | Splintter
[05:25] <Splintter> 32-bit ubuntu 32-bit in canaima, works
[05:30] <oerheks> canaima is not supported here, and is based on debian, not ubuntu
[05:32] <Rjulius2388> hi
[05:35] <Rjulius2388> Does anyone know what this PATH means in sysfs : /sys/class/net/%s/device/virtfn%s/net
[05:35] <Rjulius2388> im more interested in the /net after virtfn
[05:36] <Rjulius2388> i couldnt phrase my search entry in google properly
[05:37] <Rjulius2388> gents please
[05:37] <sirru5h> Rjulius2388, give me a sec
[05:38] <Rjulius2388> thanks
[05:38] <Rjulius2388> what i have been told is if a virtfn is assigned it doesnt have the /net
[05:39] <Rjulius2388> and if it is not assigned it does have it
[05:39] <Rjulius2388> but for my ubuntu it never has it
[05:40] <sirru5h> is this a VM?
[05:40] <Splintter> In canaima with windows 7
[05:41] <Rjulius2388> yes
[05:41] <Rjulius2388> assigning the VF to a VM
[05:41] <Rjulius2388> but looks like it is never returned
[05:41] <Rjulius2388> however i can reuse it still
[05:42] <sirru5h> hmmm
[05:45] <Rjulius2388> if i switch to ixgbevf driver
[05:45] <Rjulius2388> it all works fine
[05:45] <Rjulius2388> so i wonder if there is a bug in vfio-pci
[05:47] <sirru5h> I saw something interesting /sys/class/net/ you will see your devices
[05:47] <sirru5h> ( not currently on my VM
[05:48] <Rjulius2388> sirrus can you pm me
[05:48] <sirru5h> %s usually means string
[05:48] <Rjulius2388> i show you my difference
[05:48] <Rjulius2388> between the 2 drivers
[05:48] <sirru5h> just put it on !pastebin
[05:48] <Rjulius2388> ok
[05:49] <sirru5h> !paste
[05:50] <oerheks> that %s is adapter iirc, eth0 or br0
[05:53] <Rjulius2388> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24978275/
[05:53] <Rjulius2388> so here you can see that ixgbevf and vfio-pci behaves differently is this normal ?
[05:53] <sirru5h> so oerheks %s would be the adapter name
[05:53] <Rjulius2388> dont worry about the %s's im only interested in tha path it cna be ethX and virtfnN
[05:55] <alkisg> Hi, I'm running `apt clean` periodically, but I'm wondering, if I never run it, will the apt cache eventually fill all the disk? Or does it have an autocleaning mechanism, and if so, where?
[06:10] <sirru5h> Rjulius2388, I'm sorry I don't think I got the know how to be able to help I'm sure that others here can help
[06:51] <Lope> I'm running ubuntu trusty with inkscape 0.48. I want to try inkscape 0.91 which is available on the new version of ubuntu. However obviously if I just download that package from packages.ubuntu.com it won't install cos my dependencies on my system are all old.
[06:52] <Lope> Is there some easy way I can run new ubuntu packages from a chroot?
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> !latest | Lope
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> Lope: there is also an inkscape snap you can install
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> Lope: inkscape  0.92.1   inkscape   -      Vector Graphics Editor
[06:53] <Lope> lotuspsychje: what is a snap?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> Lope: snap packages lets you install software from outside the traditional .debs, from terminal snap find your-keyword
[06:55] <Lope> lotuspsychje: can snap packages overcome apt dependency problems?
[06:57] <oerheks> yes, that is the basic idea behind snap, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/install-snap-apps-ubuntu-14-04
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> Lope: its not meant to fix a dependecie error
[07:00] <CoderEurope> How do I lidl ?
[07:02] <oerheks> You lidl fine.
[07:03] <CoderEurope> oerheks, :D
[07:06] <Lope> Thanks lotuspsychje the PPA version of inkscape works nicely :0
[07:06] <Lope> :)
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> Lope: we dont support ppa's here and dont reccomend them
[07:07] <Lope> It didn't work at first. But then I ag --purge inkscape, then installed again and it worked.
[07:07] <Lope> lotuspsychje: alrighty then.
[07:07] <Lope> Thanks
[07:08] <zetheroo> so I have this script which mounts network shares with gvfs-mount, and it's been working just dandy in Ubuntu with Unity, but now trying it in Ubuntu Gnome it fails with "Error mounting location: volume doesn't implement mount"
[07:09] <zetheroo> this is the script: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24978815/
[07:10] <zetheroo> if I do 'gvfs-mount smb://server/share1' from the terminal the share mounts fine ...
[07:39] <thecha> how can i protect my ubuntu desktop pc from trojans and rootkits and worms and malware and keyloggers and remotecontroltools and overalll intruders?
[07:40] <thecha> second question for the specialists in this chat: is ther a way to scan my Ubuntu system for any viruses, worms, rootkits or any other malware?
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> !info rkhunter | thecha
[07:42] <thecha> what does this cover? only rootkit? or also trojans or also viruses or also malware?
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> thecha: see also clamav, snort, lynis
[07:43] <thecha> clamav and snort and lynis and rkhunter ty!!!
[07:43] <thecha> how do i know any of those isn't malware itself?
[07:43] <thecha> you can check like a sig and that will be secure enough?
[07:43] <thecha> or do you need to be very carefull which ip you get them from?
[07:44] <thecha> if i use aptitude it will be safe?
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> thecha: software from ubuntu repos doesnt contain unsafe data
[07:44] <thecha> ty
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> !security | thecha
[07:45] <thecha> so aslong as i install diretly from repos i am safe... gotcha
[07:45] <thecha> !firewall
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> thecha: security also goes beyond, only a few packages..its a way of life to think secure
[07:46] <thecha> lotuspsychje→ thank you for helping me! I already am trying to educate myself on networking
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> thecha: check this also: https://opensource.com/article/17/1/yearbook-50-ways-avoid-getting-hacked
[07:51] <zetheroo> any have any idea about this gvfs-mount issue I have on Ubuntu Gnome?
[07:51] <zetheroo> Been scouring online for a solution for the second day now ...
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: best way to get your issue solved is to re-ask your whole question with all details to channel, once in a while
[07:53] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: ok, just didn't want to spam :)
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: you wont, if leaving time in between dont forget details, ubuntu version, steps taken, kernel version etc
[07:54] <zetheroo> so I have this script which mounts network shares with gvfs-mount, and it's been working just dandy in Ubuntu with Unity, but now trying it in Ubuntu Gnome it fails with "Error mounting location: volume doesn't implement mount". This is the script: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24978815/ . If I do 'gvfs-mount smb://server/share1' from the terminal the share mounts fine ...
[07:55] <zetheroo> This is on a fresh install of Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 with PBIS setup - analog to my Ubuntu Unity 16.04 setup with PBIS.
[08:20] <summakor> Hello.
[08:22] <summakor> Anyone else get a bunch of 'Operation not permitted,' errors trying to update/install/remove linux-headers lately? Can't update anymore.
[08:23] <hateball> summakor: Can you update your system from a terminal? sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[08:23] <sary> zetheroo: if it was useful under unity shares, then maybe a gnome-specific package is required ..! is your setup to "Auto Mount Samba Shares on Boot ( GVFS Method ) "!
[08:24] <summakor> No, says broken dependencies, use --fix-broken install
[08:24] <summakor> Trying that... didn't work yesterday
[08:24] <sary> summakor: i've installed a new kernel here with no issue.
[08:26] <summakor> Bunch of operation not permitted errors unpacking packages
[08:26] <summakor> hm, /boot is 97% full...
[08:30] <SuperPulseaudio> anyone knows about debugging audio? :(
[08:31] <sary> there is an offical wiki page for that..
[08:31] <SuperPulseaudio> I know I've done lots of debugging
[08:32] <SuperPulseaudio> would you take a look https://askubuntu.com/questions/930168/no-sound-from-ca0132-creative-core3d-again
[08:32] <SuperPulseaudio> that's me today morning
[08:33] <zetheroo> sorry - Internet hickup ... did I miss anything?
[08:34] <SuperPulseaudio> do you know anything about this --> https://askubuntu.com/questions/930168/no-sound-from-ca0132-creative-core3d-again ??
[08:35] <summakor> Bah, still getting a bunch of Operation not permitted errors trying update
[08:35] <summakor> "dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-extra-4.10.0-26-generic_4.10.0-26.30_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[08:35] <summakor>  unable to open '/lib/modules/4.10.0-26-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi/pcmcia/sym53c500_cs.ko.dpkg-new': Operation not permitted"
[08:36] <summakor> similar error for 4.10.0-22, 24, 26
[08:39] <summakor> hateball, any other ideas? I can't update anything :(
[08:40] <summakor> linux-generic, linux-image-generic, linux-headers-generic, image 4.10.0-26 and headers 22 thru 26 are "not configured,"
[08:41] <summakor> because they won't finish unpacking. Can't fix, can't remove, can't update.
[08:44] <hateball> summakor: right, so if /boot is nearing full we need to clean
[08:44] <hateball> summakor: first try a simple "sudo apt autoremove"
[08:44] <hateball> hopefully it has enough space to manage that, otherwise we will need to do some manual cleaning
[08:44] <summakor> I cleaned it up, now at 60%, but I think it messed up some packages already
[08:45] <summakor> hateball: autoremove wants --fix-broken install for all these header packages with unmet dependencies
[08:47] <summakor> but --fix-broken install yields a bunch of Operation not permitted errors
[08:50] <sary> SuperPulseaudio: which ubuntu version you currently using! in your question you said it worked in ubuntu 16.04 .
[08:50] <SuperPulseaudio> sary: I'm using 16.04
[08:50] <SuperPulseaudio> sary: it worked for a 32 bit image of mate
[08:51] <SuperPulseaudio> sary: it also "works" on my ubuntu but today morning it just stopped (like it did before)
[08:51] <SuperPulseaudio> by itself. just like that.
[08:51] <SuperPulseaudio> didn't install anything, didn't do anything much
[08:52] <summakor> Can I remove linux-image-generic ? Kinda sounds important
[08:54] <summakor> linux-headers-generic depends on linux-headers-4.10.0-26-generic ? really?
[08:56] <sary>  SuperPulseaudio do you recal if it stopped after the computer has been suspended or hibernated!
[08:56] <SuperPulseaudio> sary: yes after a suspend
[08:56] <SuperPulseaudio> sary: but now I rebooted many times & nothing happens
[08:57] <SuperPulseaudio> sary: I even played around with the bios a bit
[08:59] <sary> SuperPulseaudio: I'm reading this in: # https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting " https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting "
[09:00] <sary> * in section " Getting ALSA to work after suspend / hibernate " SuperPulseaudio
[09:00] <hateball> summakor: it'd be easier if you pastebinned your stuff, so we can see what it says in detail
[09:00] <hateball> !paste | summakor
[09:01] <sary> I'm assuming you tried to follow this page before!
[09:01] <SuperPulseaudio> sary: well this is talking about the case when the sound works after rebooting, but doesn't work anymore if you suspend or hibernate, that's different
[09:04] <summakor> hateball: thanks.    http://paste.ubuntu.com/24979592/
[09:04] <rhumbot> hi all, i need to quickly install a simple lightweight local webserver on my ubuntu laptop. Are there any proposals on what solution i can use?
[09:05] <sary> SuperPulseaudio: Then i suggest you follow step 1 to 3 in: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[09:07] <sary> SuperPulseaudio: also steps 6-7 .
[09:07] <zetheroo> I have this script which mounts network shares with gvfs-mount, and it's been working just dandy in Ubuntu with Unity, but now trying it in Ubuntu Gnome it fails with "Error mounting location: volume doesn't implement mount". This is the script: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24978815/ . If I do 'gvfs-mount smb://server/share1' from the terminal the share mounts fine ...  This is on a fresh install of Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 with PBIS setup - analog to my Ubuntu Un
[09:08] <ikonia> PBIS ?
[09:08] <sary> SuperPulseaudio: also, dose dmesg | grep snd , and dmesg | grep sound .. shows errors!
[09:08] <summakor> lighter weight than apache2?
[09:09] <sary> Yes, there is lighttpd .
[09:10] <SuperPulseaudio> sary: mmm indeed I didn't try removing the config files
[09:10] <SuperPulseaudio> sary: nor did I check dmesg, I just check the output of pulseaudio itself
[09:10] <SuperPulseaudio> I'll try at those
[09:12] <hateball> rhumbot: if you want to serve any given directory you can just run "python -m SimpleHTTPServer" in that dir
[09:13] <hateball> rhumbot: dunno anything more lightweight than that. it's however not very awesome either :p
[09:13] <hateball> summakor: try "sudo apt clean"
[09:16] <summakor> hateball: apt clean runs but upgrade still suggests --fix-broken install, and that still fails to unpack the packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24979682/
[09:18] <hateball> summakor: whats the output of "df -h"
[09:19] <summakor> boot is at 60% 182M available, / has 39G available
[09:20] <summakor> I'm running 4.11 now, not sure I should care about any of these 4.10 packages necessarily
[09:22] <summakor> maybe there's an apt --destroy option or dpkg --obliterate ?
[09:22] <zetheroo> ikonia: Power Broker ... something ... it's to join a Windows domain
[09:23] <hateball> summakor: can you "sudo apt remove linux-headers-4.10.0-26-generic" ?
[09:23] <hateball> summakor: and what does your "ls /boot" look like?
[09:23] <hateball> summakor: pastebin is preferable to manual recitation
[09:25] <summakor> hateball: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24979736/
[09:26] <hateball> Hmmm.
[09:27] <sary> SuperPulseaudio: at least the card is recognized and is/was working, but something is acting up, hopefuly you'll get to know the source of the issue.
[09:27] <hateball> summakor: did you chec the apt cache, that it actually removed the files it complains about?
[09:27] <hateball> summakor: in case they were corrupted and didnt redownload
[09:27] <summakor> no, how?
[09:27] <hateball> summakor: in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:28] <zetheroo> Ikonia: whats odd is that it works via the terminal command but not with the script
[09:28] <hateball> summakor: the files it complains about in http://paste.ubuntu.com/24979682/
[09:28] <summakor> they are there as 'lock' and 'Partial'
[09:28] <hateball> summakor: rm them
[09:29] <hateball> summakor: also are you sure you were booted on a different kernel? "uname -r"
[09:29] <craigfrost> Hi, hopefully someone can help quick. I am trying to send multiple sites live from my server.
[09:29] <craigfrost> I've created a vhost file with the correct information in apache2/sites-available/ and I've enabled it using sudo a2ensite 'domain'.
[09:29] <summakor> Yeah, 4.11.0-999
[09:29] <craigfrost> I am pretty new to ubuntu, but I think I am missing something here...haha
[09:30] <summakor> ok, now --fix-broken install again?
[09:30] <hateball> summakor: I'd do an apt update, first
[09:30] <summakor> ok
[09:30] <hateball> summakor: then try apt autoremove, again
[09:31] <summakor> apt update and autoremove both suggest --fix-broken install
[09:31] <summakor> I mean upgrade, not update
[09:31] <hateball> summakor: right, then try that I guess
[09:31] <Scoop7> https://thepasteb.in/p/lOhO4M8Yo6xCB <-- I am trying to create a systemd unit file that would give me a permanent running process. But I am not sure - should my command for running the process should go into  ExecStart  ? the command is  java -cp languagetool-server.jar org.languagetool.server.HTTPServer --port 8081  . Anyone ?
[09:32] <Scoop7> vps os is centOS, the shell is -bash
[09:32] <ikonia> Scoop7: you're in #ubuntu
[09:32] <ikonia> Scoop7: you need the centos or systemd channel
[09:32] <Scoop7> ikonia, ok thanks :)
[09:34] <summakor> hateball: same result, it gets and tries to unpack 4.10.0-26 and fails:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/24979790/
[09:35] <summakor> Note that the specific file referenced in the Operation not permitted error keeps changing, looks random
[09:35] <summakor> Sometimes DVD stuff, sometimes PCI something, arch... always different
[09:38] <hateball> summakor: I am out of ideas then I am afraid
[09:39] <summakor> Heh, ok
[09:39] <hateball> summakor: I noticed you run as root, any difference if you use a sudo user?
[09:39] <summakor> Thank you
[09:39] <hateball> in case of some env stuff
[09:39] <summakor> Will try that; just got tired of the 'not permitted' stuff
[09:40] <hateball> summakor: anyhow I must go lunch, good luck
[09:40] <SuperPulseaudio> sary: I'll let you know of any updates, the problem is I currently don't have access to the machine
[09:41] <SuperPulseaudio> should have take an ssh key with me XD
[09:44] <sary> SuperPulseaudio: np, keep those doc pages in mind for later.
[09:45] <sary> that would've been fun!
[09:46] <sary> summakor: how many kernels do have installed currently!
[09:46] <summakor> I don't know anymore...
[09:48] <summakor> sary: at least 4.11.0 and 4.10.0-994
[09:50] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[09:50] <summakor> sary: grub finds 4.12.0-994, 4.11.0-999, 4.10.0-994 and 4.10.0-26
[09:50] <summakor> Hi BluesKaj
[09:51] <BluesKaj> hi summakor
[09:53] <sary> summakor: beside the current running kernel, it's good to have at least two working previous kernels.
[09:54] <summakor> It's 4.10.0-26 that's causing issues
[10:09] <summakor> removing linux-headers-generic and linux-headers-4.10.0-26 worked
[10:23] <Bischoop> Hi czerasz
[10:25] <anddam> I noticed a missing firmware notice while updating packages so I got kbl_dmc driver for my KabyLake from 01.org, I noticed there are GUC and HUC drivers. While I'm at it should I be installing those as well?
[10:27] <ioria> ok, nouveau 's broken on  4.4.0-83-generic trusty xenial hwe ?
[10:28] <GeorgesLeYeti> Hi
[10:28] <GeorgesLeYeti> Is it possible to do a tail -f but grep only line containing specific sequence
[10:29] <fallentree> GeorgesLeYeti: tail -f /some/file | grep "specific sequence"  ?
[10:30] <GeorgesLeYeti> ty
[10:48] <YesButProbablyNo> has anyone gotten GNU mailman 3 installed on their machine?
[10:49] <BluesKaj> !crosspost | YesButProbablyNo,
[10:50] <YesButProbablyNo> oh, okay
[10:50] <BluesKaj> multiple cannels period
[10:50] <YesButProbablyNo> sorry, my bad
[10:50] <BluesKaj> you're not bad, just mistaken
[10:52] <Bischoop> Morning :-)
[10:52] <Bischoop> Hi BluesKaj how are you?
[10:53] <YesButProbablyNo> or is there a better UI available for mailman 2?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> hi Bischoop
[10:54] <chull> my husband wants to update his ubuntu 16.04, but he gets the error he always gets about the disk being full. We ran 'sudo apt autoremove' . but he is still getting:"Not enough free disk space
[10:54] <chull> The upgrade needs a total of 94.1 M free space on disk "/boot",
[10:54] <chull> Please free at least an additonal 25.7 M of disk space on
[10:54] <chull> "/boot". Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'."
[10:54] <chull> sorry that didn't stay together
[10:56] <ikonia> chull: you need to remove some old kernel packages
[10:56] <summakor> chull: there are probably old kernels in /boot
[10:57] <ikonia> chull: /boot is on a seperate partition, so removing anything other than old kernel packages won't help
[10:57] <chalcedony> i see
[10:58] <summakor> uname -r   to see the kernel you're currently using; keep that one and maybe 1-2 older ones
[10:59] <sary> chull: consider removing few previous kernels.. keep at least two kernels that are working properly! Also Take a look at the files in /var/log; it's safe to remove any of those with names ending in ".gz" since they are archives of previous activity, and this alone can save you a few megabytes of disk space.
[10:59] <ikonia> sary: /var/log won't help with /boot
[10:59] <ikonia> the error shows /boot is out of space
[11:00] <chalcedony> yes i didn't think so
[11:00] <sary> True, i mess-red that!
[11:00] <chalcedony> is there any way to set this up so it deletes old kernels automatically?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> !boot
[11:02] <ikonia> chalcedony: there used to be a flag for this
[11:02] <ikonia> chalcedony: that would do N+$ kernels, and thus auto remove/clean anything outside N+$
[11:03] <chalcedony> ikonia, ah
[11:03] <BluesKaj> hmm, I thought /boot was no longer necessary , just / and /home
[11:04] <chalcedony> heh
[11:04] <BluesKaj> if you want separate partitions
[11:04] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it's not been necessary for about 15+ years, but there can be benifits/drawbacks so it's still a valid option, ubuntu installer puts it on it's own partition with the default scheme
[11:05] <chalcedony> it certainly made it
[11:06] <chalcedony> (and updates have been a pain ever since)
[11:06] <Dwarf> Hey there folks, I'm using chromium on ubuntu 17.04 and I was wondering how I would install the widevine plugin
[11:06] <BluesKaj> ikonia, oh really? I haven't used the default partition scheme, always the manual
[11:06] <Dwarf> It does not appear to be in the repositories
[11:06] <summakor> apparently Ubuntu Tweak has an option to auto-remove old kernels
[11:06] <chalcedony> summakor, ooh!
[11:07] <summakor> hm... doesn't seem to have a version for 17.04 :(
[11:08] <oerheks> !info unity-tweak-tool
[11:08] <PMunch> Hi, I have a question. Running Ubuntu Server 16.04 I want to install the proprietary NVIDIA drivers to enable OpenCL on the card in the machine. I've tried to blacklist nouveau in modprobe and rebooted but it doesn't seem to work "lshw -c video | grep 'configuration'" still shows nouveau
[11:09] <summakor> hm
[11:11] <summakor> That's different. Unity-Tweak works, Ubuntu-Tweak is not maintained anymore :(
[11:12] <summakor> Ubuntu Cleaner? Seems to be a nice wrapper for BleachBit
[11:13] <chull> summakor, he's got Unity Tweak Tool, but we don't see anything about boot or kernels, where to look?
[11:14] <summakor> chull: No, that just tweaks the desktop. I was looking at Ubuntu-Tweak but it's an old thing not maintained anymore.
[11:15] <oerheks> just use the apt autoremove function in terminal
[11:15] <chalcedony> summakor, oh i see
[11:15] <chalcedony> oerheks, every few updates he gets all upset about it
[11:15] <chalcedony> i waa hoping we could find a way
[11:16] <oerheks> see our wiki ?
[11:16] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels#Configure_Unattended_Upgrades_to_Remove_Unneeded_Kernels_Automatically
[11:17] <chalcedony> ok looking thank you oerheks :)
[11:19] <chalcedony> oh this looks great
[11:19] <summakor> yeah, still wish there were a GUI for this
[11:21] <Dwarf> So it appears that /usr/lib/chromium-browser/libwidevinecdm.so exists, but chrome://components/ shows Widevine Content Decryption Module - Version: 0.0.0.0
[11:21] <Dwarf> Not sure what went wrong there
[11:22] <Dwarf> Even copying the libwidevinecdm.so from https://dl.google.com/linux/deb/pool/main/g/google-chrome-stable/google-chrome-stable_58.0.3029.110-1_amd64.deb had no effect
[11:22] <summakor> I guess people who manually install kernels don't need a GUI
[11:23] <oerheks> Dwarf, seems to be a known issue, chromium is not supported officially, you would need to hack your user agent https://askubuntu.com/questions/909296/chromium-widevine-doesnt-work-on-ubuntu-17-04
[11:23] <Dwarf> How very strange
[11:23] <oerheks> there is a PPA with chromium/widevine enabled https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-dev
[11:24] <oerheks> but i would not use that
[11:24]  * oerheks uses chrome
[11:26] <Dwarf> Yeah I'm not too happy about using some rando's PPA
[11:26] <Dwarf> Merely spoofing the useragent does not seem to work
[11:29] <PMunch> Got it uninstalled by doing "echo options nouveau modeset=0 | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-kms.conf" and then "sudo update-initramfs -u". But now I'm struggling to get the driver to build..
[11:29] <PMunch> Apparently my kernel is too new
[11:38] <PMunch> Aha, I was trying to install an outdated version
[11:39] <PMunch> 340.102 worked fine
[12:30] <PsycoMushroom77> noob needing help and tools .... please help me
[12:31] <BluesKaj> PsycoMushroom77, more details needed
[12:36] <PsycoMushroom77> BluesKaj,self teaching,but need help to start ,want to learn to hack,cant tell whats safe or not or if im protected etc. i need a friend
[12:36] <PsycoMushroom77> is this chat secure ???
[12:38] <oerheks> learning to hack is beyond the scope of this channel
[12:38] <oerheks> irc is not secure, as we can see your ip
[12:38] <BluesKaj> PsycoMushroom77, hacking is generally not supported here, if you want to do illegal stuff , upi're out of luck here
[12:39] <oerheks> .. and this is a public channel
[12:39] <PsycoMushroom77> not illegal no want to understand
[12:39] <oerheks> brb, reboot
[12:39] <nuked0ne> hey can somebody help me install python pyqt5 designer interface for ubuntu xfce?
[12:40] <nuked0ne> I tried installing qttools5-dev-tools package
[12:40] <ikonia> nuked0ne: and what happened....
[12:40] <nuked0ne> and then run it from /usr/bin/designer
[12:40] <nuked0ne> but I get an error
[12:40] <ikonia> ....and what is that error
[12:40] <nuked0ne> designer: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/designer': No such file or directory
[12:41] <ikonia> nuked0ne: ok - so what repo did the qttools5-dev-tools package come from ?
[12:41] <nuked0ne> sorry I don't know what do you mean I'm actually new to linux
[12:42] <ikonia> !info qttools5-dev-tools
[12:42] <ikonia> nuked0ne: interesting, so the QT5 design actually is depending on a QT4 library
[12:42] <ikonia> nuked0ne: if you get the package that provides that library, it should work (or move onto the next error)
[12:42] <ikonia> nuked0ne: normally packages provide other needed packages via dependencies
[12:43] <nuked0ne> I actually just removed qt4 lol
[12:43] <TomyWork> l
[12:43] <nuked0ne> so I have to work with qt4 designer
[12:43] <ikonia> nuked0ne: install qt4-dev-tools
[12:44] <nuked0ne> will it work? I mean I want to use qt5
[12:44] <nuked0ne> and interface designer is qt4
[12:44] <ikonia> nuked0ne: it looks like it's just a dependency, not qt4
[12:44] <nuked0ne> ok I installed it
[12:45] <nuked0ne> I think you have to install qt4 designer
[12:45] <nuked0ne> :|
[12:45] <BluesKaj> PsycoMushroom77, read about ubuntu and linux in general online , unless you have a specific question
[12:48] <catbehemoth> lxc list
[12:48] <thewillo> is there a place where I can ask questions related to making my own ubuntu variant and making it an official flavour?
[12:48] <thewillo> would I ask on the ubuntu forums or is there a place they hang out?
[12:51] <d3ll> my ubuntu 16.04 not shutting down properly. It stucks at splash screen with ubuntu logo and then it stays forever. To shut it down, I manually have to long press the power button.
[12:51] <d3ll> need help.
[12:56] <ANub> hello, can someone point out how to add cpu fan kernel modules on HP laptop? My laptop fan does not work in ubuntu
[12:57] <sary> thewillo: try asking in #ubuntu-devel .
[13:00] <thewillo> thanks sary that's exactly what I was looking for
[13:05] <sary> ANub: sudo sensors-detect
[13:06] <sobersabre> hi, I have disabled fwupd, fwupdate, fwupdate-cleanup services.
[13:06] <sobersabre> they keep crashing.
[13:06] <sary> and follow the instructions to search for a fan controller module.
[13:06] <sobersabre> is there any danger in it?
[13:06] <sary> thewillo: you're welcome.
[13:07] <sobersabre> another q. is related to 17.04 changes to resolving (systemd-resolved)
[13:07] <sobersabre> I have dnsmasq configured to my needs.
[13:08] <ANub> @sary, tried that but does not detect anything except coretemp
[13:09] <ANub> Wouldn't sensors-detect only return values if needed kernel modules are already installed ?
[13:09] <ANub> I am for sure that I dont have the module for fan
[13:09] <sobersabre> I want to keep using it, but network manager is popping dnsmask at 127.0.1.1, but it puts into /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 127.0.0.1
[13:10] <sobersabre> how do I make sure 127.0.1.1 is in my resolv.conf ?
[13:10] <sobersabre> I did disable systemd-resolved
[13:11] <fallentree> sobersabre: you have to mask it, disabling doesn't do anything. also, check NetworkManager.conf manpage, dns= setting to switch
[13:13] <Dwarf> Why is nvidia-current nvidia-304 and not nvidia-375?
[13:14] <Dwarf> That doesn't make sense to me
[13:14] <sary> ANub: what is the machine brand!
[13:15] <ANub> @sary, HP Elitebook Folio 9480m
[13:19] <sary> ANub: Does running lsmod | grep hp , shows hp's ACPI modules!
[13:21] <ANub> @sary, No
[13:28] <Splintter> Hi, I want to download the 32-bit ubuntu iso
[13:29] <leftyfb> Splintter: ok?
[13:29] <sary> ANub: run dmesg | grep -I fan , what does it say!
[13:30] <leftyfb> Splintter: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[13:31] <Splintter> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[13:31] <ANub> @sary, it says "[    0.000000] 	Build-time adjustment of leaf fanout to 32."
[13:31] <Bischoop> Isnt 16.04 LTS 32?
[13:38] <mordof> ran out of INodes.. trying to repair. the largest item is /usr/share/man/man3 - anyone know what that folder is meant for (i know it's man page related.. but is it the main storage location or for some other purpose?) essentially can i clear that folder out?
[13:38] <leftyfb> Splintter: what about it?
[13:39] <leftyfb> mordof: running out of inodes has little to do with the size of files and more to do with the quantity of files
[13:39] <leftyfb> mordof: you probably have thousands upon thousands of files in some directory
[13:40] <leftyfb> mordof: I would check in /var/logs or /var/crash/
[13:40] <mordof> leftyfb: indeed - i did a count. the most predominant items are linux headers, and /usr/share/man/man3
[13:40] <leftyfb> mordof: number of files, not size
[13:40] <Splintter> Ubuntu desktop or ubuntu server
[13:40] <mordof> server
[13:40] <leftyfb> Splintter: what about it?
[13:41] <leftyfb> mordof: I would check in /var/logs or /var/crash/
[13:41] <Splintter> Which release
[13:41] <sary> ANub: run lsmod and look for something like hp_acpi modules , if the module is not loadded you could be missing the microcode for the CPU.
[13:42] <mordof> leftyfb: basically nothing.
[13:42] <leftyfb> mordof: then there's a large amount of files somewhere else
[13:42] <mordof> a huge portion of the list is just linux headers... i'm gonna remove a bunch of them
[13:42] <mordof> leftyfb: indeed. linux headers and man3
[13:42] <leftyfb> mordof: not necessarily big, just lots
[13:42] <leftyfb> no
[13:42] <mordof> :/
[13:42] <leftyfb> there's not "lots" of linux headers. If there's more than like 5 or 10 different headers, you're doing something obscenely wrong
[13:43] <mordof> would you like to see the output of my command that tells me that the /usr/src linux headers folders have over 8000 files for each version?
[13:43] <mordof> or what
[13:43] <leftyfb> 8000 files is not enough to run out of inodes
[13:43] <mordof> maybe that's an exaggeration
[13:44] <mordof> i realise that
[13:44] <mordof> there's 517k worth of files currently
[13:44] <ANub> @sary, i've nothing by the name of acpi in lsmod output. Couple of days back while trying to fix this problem I had installed intel-microcode and microcode-ctl but it didn't help
[13:44] <leftyfb> my /usr/src has 83k files. Which is completely normal
[13:44] <mordof> leftyfb: how would i get a total count?
[13:45] <leftyfb> mordof: if don't know, where did you come up with 517k?
[13:45] <mordof> df -i
[13:45] <mordof> but that's just for the device, not by folders
[13:46] <leftyfb> mordof: https://askubuntu.com/a/231615/687271
[13:47] <leftyfb> mordof: sudo du --inodes -d 3 / | sort -n | tail
[13:48] <mordof> find / -xdev -printf '%h\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -k 1 -n       was using this before, which wasn't as helpful
[13:49]  * mordof is running the count_em script
[13:51] <mordof> the count_em script gives a similar output to that command i pasted.. which just gives me a huge list of paths with numbers - most of the occurances in that list (and largest) belong to /usr/src
[13:52] <mordof> ....
[13:52] <mordof> i'm gonna wager this is potentially a running process issue, not a file system issue
[13:52] <mordof> inodes are used when a process holds on to a file even after it's already been deleted, correct? it's possible a running process could just be eating huge amounts of inodes...
[13:58] <leftyfb> mordof: Then a reboot would solve that
[13:59] <mordof> would rather not though..
[13:59]  * mordof will keep investigating how to identify the issue
[14:01] <acresearch> people, i am trying to use the 'convert' command to convert from a PDF to an jpeg image, the result is poor quality, how can i improve it? speed and file size do not matter
[14:01] <Scoop7> can I do a symbolic link to a command ?
[14:03] <fallentree> Scoop7: if the command is an executable file, then yes. if not, use alias. which command?
[14:05] <Scoop7> fallentree: sudo ln -s java -cp languagetool-server.jar org.languagetool.server.HTTPServer --port 8081 /etc/rc.d/init.d/languagetool-service
[14:06] <Scoop7> I am trying to create a permanent process in centOS 6.9 (so no systemd unit features....), my shell is -bash .
[14:07] <donofrio> help help....I copied a gb of photos' from cf card to notebook, then cleared the cards took more photo's and used file explorer to copy them from cam to hard drive, something came up bout exisiting files and I said skip but not I have DCIM directires without photo's in it and I wiped the card yesterday, what can I do to undelete files in ubuntu (this is a critical issue because the photo's are old people that have died...)
[14:07] <Scoop7> my next step would be sudo chkconfig --add languagetool-service
[14:07] <Scoop7> and 3./4./5.   sudo service languagetool-service stop/sudo service languagetool-service start/sudo service languagetool-service status
[14:09] <max12345> hello, I'd like to configure my swappines but I the top answer on askubuntu isn't working
[14:10] <max12345> i.e. modifying /etc/sysctl.conf
[14:10] <max12345> or I'm doing it wrong
[14:12] <jellycode> genii: Hi, i'm back today to keep troubleshooting this package finding business
[14:12] <pavlos> max12345: sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=10
[14:13] <fallentree> Scoop7: then ask in #centos
[14:14] <fallentree> meanwhile you can't create symbolic links to a call to java with params. use alias for that.
[14:15] <donofrio> what do I use to undelete files on ubuntu?
[14:15] <max12345> pavlos thank you!
[14:16] <thewillo> donofrio, how did you delete the files?
[14:16] <thewillo> form command line or a the included file manager?
[14:16] <donofrio> I didn't think I did but the files are not there just 10 DCIM directoies without files in them
[14:16] <Scoop7> fallentree: so when I would create an alias I could then use that alias for creating the symbolic link ?
[14:17] <donofrio> file manager in xfce4
[14:17] <ducasse> donofrio: extundelete, if the fs is ext2/3/4. it's not foolproof, though.
[14:17] <thewillo> if command line unplug your computer as soon as you read this and come online from another computer and hope it's still not overwritten and we'll help you
[14:18] <thewillo> there is ways to save data but you want to power down the computer without shutting it down, just flip the switch on your power supply or unplug it
[14:19] <Splintter> Download the iso of ubuntu and when the amount in the daemon tools meja pure folders
[14:19] <Splintter> The installer does not open
[14:22] <Splintter> Download the iso of ubuntu and when the amount in the daemon tools meja pure folders
[14:23] <Splintter> The installer does not open
[14:23] <leftyfb> Scoop7: this is #ubuntu, Not #centos
[14:23] <Lapotor> hello since Monday my server Starts and after round about 12h it set automaticaly to read-only what can i do to ? (ubuntu 16.04.02 LTS)
[14:24] <leftyfb> Lapotor: run a disk/filesystem check. More than likely replace your HDD
[14:24] <sobersabre> max12345: are you managing your /etc with etckeeper (git) ?
[14:24] <fallentree> Scoop7: no. you can only create a symbolic link to a filesystem path, not entire command with arguments
[14:24] <Lapotor> leftyfb: done that more than one time and it will apear again
[14:24] <leftyfb> Lapotor: with a replaced HDD?
[14:25] <Lapotor> nope (Virtual Server)
[14:25] <leftyfb> Lapotor: is this a VPS from a provider?
[14:25] <Lapotor> yep an KVM specifically
[14:25] <leftyfb> Lapotor: contact your provider
[14:26] <leftyfb> Lapotor: that's more than likely a hardware/VM issue
[14:26] <Lapotor> ok will do thanks anyway
[14:27] <thewillo> Laptor if you need a new vps provider I can recommend
[14:28] <ESpiney> thewillo, who would you recommend?
[14:28] <thewillo> digitalocean
[14:29] <ESpiney> I've heard good things about them
[14:29] <ESpiney> I'm currently with linode, and i"m having a pretty good run with them, so far
[14:29] <thewillo> if you're gonna sign up ask for my referral link, but that's not the only reason I'm recommending. I use them because I think they are the best provider that's not really expensive
[14:29] <ESpiney> but I'm not putting to much pressure on the VPS.
[14:29] <Izinucs> us.archive.ubuntu.com seems to be offline for updates.. anyone have any info on when it will be back up?
[14:30] <max12345> so this old laptop of mine
[14:30] <max12345> keeps shutting down it's own wifi
[14:30] <max12345> when it reaches it's limit
[14:30] <max12345> so I can dl like 10Mb at a time
[14:31] <Izinucs> Looks like security.ubuntu.com is also down.
[14:31] <thewillo> What I like about digital ocean, is you get a REALLY good interface for managing your VPS's and you can create and delete them any time, you start with a limit of 25 at any time, but when you delete them you don't pay for the whole month, because they charge hourly, with a maximum per VPS that gives a small discount if you are using it constantly
[14:32] <ducasse> Izinucs: try #ubuntu-mirrors
[14:33] <Izinucs> ducasse: thanks
[14:36] <acresearch> people, i am trying to use the 'convert' command to convert from a PDF to an jpeg image, the result is poor quality, how can i improve it? speed and file size do not matter
[14:41] <fallentree> acresearch: try adding -density 600   to params of convert, that sets 600 dpi resolution
[14:42] <sary> have you red the man page! convert has a -quality [value] option you can use for JPEG/MIFF/PNG compression level. You could also try using PNG instead of JPEG ; this usually works better with jagged edges (for instance, scanned text) than JPEG, since it doesn't result in compression artifacts like JPEG does. The following page shows all available options for convert. Click on an option to obtain more detail.
[14:42] <sary> There are a number of options that affect quality, and I don't know which one will improve the quality of the output JPG http://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php
[14:43] <acresearch> fallentree: i tries up to 10000 but exactly same quality
[14:45] <Izinucs> acresearch: is the original pdf a "form" or created by a program that is form based?
[14:45] <acresearch> sary: i tried PNG, but i get no background which is perfect, but my presentation has black background so it doesn't work
[14:46] <acresearch> Izinucs: i am not sure, how do i check, it is a graph that is 25MB, so it takes a while to open (i guess because it has 1,000,000 point in it)
[14:46] <Scoop7> How can you get symbolink link path from terminal ?
[14:46] <acresearch> but the text as well, is very pixilated
[14:46] <Scoop7> symbolic link*
[14:47] <fallentree> acresearch: you could also try using ghostscript (gs command)
[14:47] <ducasse> Scoop7: why not ask in #centos?
[14:47] <acresearch> fallentree: oh? how?
[14:47] <fallentree> Scoop7: "get"?
[14:47] <fallentree> acresearch: google has examples.
[14:47] <acresearch> fallentree: ok
[14:47] <Izinucs> acresearch: it might be what I call a layered PDF.. I run into them on occasion and have to flatten them.
[14:47] <acresearch> Izinucs: oh
[14:47] <Scoop7> ducasse how is that centos related ?
[14:47] <acresearch> my plot is from gnuplot
[14:48] <acresearch> my PDF plot is from gnuplot Izinucs
[14:48] <ducasse> Scoop7: that is what you're running, right?
[14:48] <oerheks> Scoop7, you already told us you are on centos
[14:48] <oerheks> Scoop7, lolz
[14:49] <Izinucs> acresearch: might be.. two things to try.. open it normally and re-print it to a differently named PDF.. the other is to use pdftk to do the reprint.
[14:49] <Scoop7> ahaha, yeah I am running centos on my vps, on my local I am running ubuntu... But how is getting symbolic path from terminal is different in this case ?
[14:50] <fallentree> Scoop7: define "getting symbolic path"
[14:50] <acresearch> Izinucs: hmmm , i tried first option previously and it did not work, but either way i need it as an image to use it in my presentation
[14:50] <Scoop7> I want to know where the symbolic link really links to
[14:51] <fallentree> Scoop7: ls -l, or stat-ing the link will tell you
[14:51] <fallentree> stat /path/to/some/link
[14:51] <Izinucs> acresearch: you could maybe open it in Libreoffice draw and see if you can export it as an image.. does gnuplot give you different export options?  .eps is pretty easy to deal with and convert to .jpg or .png
[14:52] <fallentree> acresearch: if it's only one file, import it in gimp. gimp's good at it, then export to whatever
[14:52] <acresearch> Izinucs: libra opfficd does not take PDF (i tried)
[14:52] <fallentree> if you need automation on a larger number of files, ghostscript is the way to go
[14:52] <acresearch> fallentree: hmmm gimp io have not tried
[14:52] <acresearch> fallentree: i am trying gs at the moment
[14:52] <fallentree> acresearch: just raise the DPI in the import dialog
[14:53] <acresearch> fallentree: takes a while since it is a big (kind of) file :-)
[14:53] <fallentree> 600 dpi is the print quality resolution
[14:53] <acresearch> gs works MUCH better than convert just got my image
[14:53] <acresearch> how can i rase quality even more?
[14:53]  * Izinucs afk
[14:54] <libertas> hi, modprobe tun; lsmod | grep tun
[14:54] <libertas> returns nothing
[14:54] <libertas> how to have `tun` enabled?
[14:55] <th0r> libertas, I believe tun is an interface created when  you establish a vpn connection.
[14:56] <nemo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Network%20Bridge%20with%20a%20Tap%21
[14:56] <nemo> I haven't used tun/tap in ages.  no idea whether it is a module or kernel builtin with ubuntu
[14:57] <nemo> but you could try that man page I guess
[14:57]  * nemo pokes around in synaptic
[14:58] <ducasse> libertas: that is builtin to the kernel, not a module
[14:58] <nemo> ah. there we go ☺
[14:59] <acresearch> fallentree: how can i rase quality even more?
[15:01] <jacmortier> Hi, I have a question, how is it possible to get the error in Grub2 "error: out of disk". How can I reproduce that?
[15:01] <fallentree> acresearch: -r switch I believe. man gs for more info
[15:01] <libertas> ducasse: ok, just saw some old posts on the web then.  But /dev/net/tun doesn't show up unless I create it manually with mknod.  But there must be another way...
[15:03] <danielhuman> scottjl: thanks for the suggestion. i was on ##linux but was not here yet.
[15:05] <arup_r> I was following this https://www.phusionpassenger.com/library/install/nginx/install/oss/trusty/, but got error when ran sudo apt-get install -y nginx-extras passenger .. https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/f078a70f8b525c668f9641e55215e555
[15:05] <arup_r> can anyone help me please?
[15:08] <libertas> th0r: I'm trying to setup openvpn in a lxc container.  It /dev/net/tun is only created when starting openvpn in the host, then do I really need to create /dev/net/tun manually using mknod?
[15:10] <ducasse> libertas: openvpn client or server?
[15:10] <arup_r> nvm figured out
[15:10] <binni> I just did https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ParentalControls#Do_It_Yourself_Whitelisting and it works not at all, any ideas?
[15:12] <binni> meaning I added one site to /etc/hosts and edited /etc/nsswitch.conf to "hosts: files" from something akin to "hosts: files dns", but the internet still works just as before.
[15:13] <fallentree> binni: added how?
[15:13] <binni> fallentree, by adding this line: 91.189.90.250 ubuntu.com www.ubuntu.com
[15:15] <fallentree> binni: right, so what exactly doesn't work as expected?
[15:16] <mordof> linux headers... *sighs*
[15:16] <JPelletier> Hi, I'm trying to debug the Ubuntu Installer. I've modified the \boot\grub\grub.cfg to remove the "quiet" flag for ubuntu install but it's going too fast. Is there a way to slow down or "page" the messages? For grub debug there is a set pager=1 is there something similaire for ubuntu kernel logs ?
[15:16] <binni> fallentree, the internet is now suppose to be "whitelisted", meaning only the sites I specify will work, everything else blocked, but that's not what happened and nothing changed.
[15:16] <mordof> went from 99% inode use down to 45% inode use after putting all of my older /usr/src linux header folders into a .tar.gz
[15:17] <nemo> O_o
[15:17] <fallentree> binni: no, that only forces ubuntu.com and www.ubuntu.com to resolve to that IP
[15:17] <akik> JPelletier: you can read the kernel logs with dmesg and the other logs with journalctl
[15:17]  * mordof writes a script to do that automatically on box deploys
[15:17] <binni> fallentree, darn it, gtg
[15:18] <JPelletier> akik: But it's not installed, I'm running the USB Installer
[15:18] <akik> JPelletier: what isn't installed?
[15:18] <JPelletier> Ubuntu, it's a brand new SSD
[15:18] <akik> JPelletier: are you in the live session?
[15:19] <nemo> mordof: now I'm wondering what your inode limit is - 'cause... I have like 6 copies of kernel unpacked in /usr/src on this one machine and it has only 13% inode use
[15:19] <nemo>  /dev/sdb1      28942336 3721859 25220477   13% /
[15:19] <mordof> 520,000 roughly
[15:19] <mordof> i had 18 copies
[15:19] <akik> JPelletier: i'd suggest you start the live session, in which you can read the logs
[15:19] <mordof> 10?
[15:19]  * mordof actually counts
[15:19] <nemo> not to mention tons of other small copies like live minecraft tiled maps ☺
[15:19] <mordof> 18
[15:19] <mordof> i was right in my first random ballpark, lol
[15:19] <sobersabre> hi. how do I make /etc/resolv.conf on boot not to have "nameserver 127.0.0.1", but something else?
[15:20] <sobersabre> on ubuntu 17.04
[15:20] <nemo> mordof: well 520 is awfully low
[15:20] <mordof> nemo: it's an 8gb hard drive
[15:20] <nemo> well. this one above is 500GiB
[15:20] <JPelletier> akik: I'm experiencing a random issue where Ubuntu is not starting, like once every 30 reboots
[15:21] <nemo> hm
[15:21] <nemo> ok. n/m that's exactly same ratio
[15:21] <JPelletier> akik: And I reproduce the issue with the USB install as well, so now I try to see logs when this happen to help me
[15:21] <nemo> mordof: I guess I'm not used to drives being that small.  wow. 8GiB drive and 18 copies of linux kernel unpacked
[15:21] <JPelletier> akik: Live session may not reproduce the issue
[15:21] <mordof> nemo: so the inode limit is determined by the size of the hard drive? it just has a % or something
[15:21] <fallentree> sobersabre: is that still related to your earlier problem wanting NetworkManager to use dnsmasq instead of resolved?
[15:21] <nemo> mordof: you can adjust the defaults
[15:22] <mordof> nemo: the machine doesn't do much. it hosts a resque web instance, and our main redis server. the uptime is 540 days though
[15:22] <akik> JPelletier: and you haven't identified the issue yet?
[15:22] <sobersabre> fallentree: no, it's still open. I can agree to use systemd-resolved, if I can tweak it as greatly as dnsmasq
[15:22] <nemo> mordof: my uptime has gone down a bit due to. hm... what was the reason last time.  probably a long-put-off-kernel update
[15:22] <nemo> 433 days
[15:22] <fallentree> sobersabre: don't use systemd-resolved, it's broken and vulnerable.
[15:22] <JPelletier> akik: No, in fact pausing the logs will not help me I just reproduced it again, black screen!
[15:22] <sobersabre> fallentree: I disabled it....
[15:23] <nemo> hate having to reboot, I have to restart irssi and screen and w3m... ☹
[15:23] <fallentree> sobersabre: so you want NM to use dnsmasq?
[15:23] <fallentree> sobersabre: btw, "disabled" won't work, as disabled services are still started by dependencies. in this case, network manager starts it.
[15:23] <mordof> nemo: reboots suck. i think we rebuilt this box with ubuntu 14.04, which prompted the downtime to reset
[15:23] <sobersabre> fallentree: I am using /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf, and there I've got dns=dnsmasq
[15:23] <mordof> it was either 10.04 or 12.04 before
[15:23] <sobersabre> this only causes the dnsmasq to be up.
[15:23] <akik> JPelletier: could it be the nomodeset issue with the graphics card?
[15:23] <JPelletier> akik: Ubuntu instal doesn't start at all after all the grub stuff
[15:24] <sobersabre> fallentree: so I probably need to uninstall it. ok.
[15:24] <nemo> mordof: what I can't figure out is.  how on earth did you have 18 *unpacked* copies of kernel in /usr/src on an 8GiB disc - they must have never been built - 'cause with build files that would have sucked up like, well, 15-20 GB
[15:24] <sobersabre> fallentree: maybe this is the reason I'm having hell.
[15:24] <nemo> mordof: even without, it would have been like half the disc
[15:24] <JPelletier> akik: Tried it already, I also tried intel_idle.max_cstate=0 processor.max_cstate=1
[15:24] <fallentree> sobersabre: mask instead of disable, you don't have to uninstall (not even sure you can)
[15:24] <mordof> nemo: it was about half the disk, yeah.. lol
[15:25] <nemo> mordof: but yeah. weird. why were they unpacked but never built? or did you run make clean each time yet not remove the sources? ☺
[15:25] <JPelletier> akik: This is driving me crazy
[15:25] <akik> JPelletier: sorry i don't know how to slow down the kernel & service message
[15:25] <fallentree> sobersabre: yes, it's a mess created by ubuntu devs who have no clue how broken resolved is, they just randomly decided to default to it without any serious testing.
[15:25] <mordof> nemo: i'm not actually sure where in our deploy scripts we even acquire the linux headers.. lol
[15:25] <nemo> ah. for headers
[15:25] <mordof> yeah it's only headers
[15:26] <JPelletier> akik: Well the kernel messages doesn't start at all. I see all the grub stuff, than nothing.
[15:26] <sobersabre> fallentree: do you happen to know how I can query who needs resolved ?
[15:26] <mordof> nemo: do you know what actions trigger an acquisition of linux headers?
[15:26] <akik> JPelletier: i remove both "quiet" and "splash" from the grub config and also set "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" so i see more messages
[15:26] <mordof> i imagine we're doing something with apt
[15:26] <fallentree> sobersabre: nothing hard depends on it
[15:26] <mordof> to cause it
[15:26] <nemo> mordof: compiling anything that depends on the kernel? ☺
[15:26] <fallentree> sobersabre: you can use any resolving method you desire
[15:27] <sobersabre> I mean if systemd unit wants systemd-resolved
[15:27] <nemo> mordof: kind of a vague question there 😉
[15:27] <mordof> nemo: lol
[15:27] <mordof> ah well
[15:28] <JPelletier> akik: Yeah I do see GRUB debug informations. I enabled it with: set debug=all and everything seems to be good but at the end, sometimes the kernel is not started at all. Black screen. Totally random
[15:28] <mordof> nemo: our deploy scripts have a few packages that it marks to install if it needs to. i don't think they take action once installed though.. so i'm not sure exactly what entry in the deploy triggers that.. oh well
[15:29] <fallentree> sobersabre: systemctl list-dependencies maybe
[15:29] <sruli> ubuntu-gnome 16.04 i am having trouble with auto mounting USB drive fat32, i have no write permission, i have to manually remount with "uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137" how can i change the behaviour of auto mount to always use this option for all exfat drives?
[15:30] <fallentree> sobersabre: but that won't tell you much. anything can start disabled services through socket activation
[15:30] <oerheks> sruli, with 'no write permission' your fat32 filesystem is unmounted dirty, fix this
[15:31] <sobersabre> fallentree: by socket activation you mean syn'ing dns port ?
[15:31] <mordof> nemo: just found another machine with 31 unpacked linux headers sitting around eating all the space, haha
[15:31] <oerheks> fat32 is not posix, so no write permissions usually point at a faulty filesystem
[15:32]  * mordof is going through doing some management of servers
[15:32] <mordof> nemo: same size hard drive
[15:32] <fallentree> sobersabre: for example yes
[15:32] <sobersabre> in order to have socket activation do something, appropriate service.socket needs to be UP, no ?
[15:32] <sruli> oerheks: are you sure? if it is a dirty unmount would "uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137" give write permission?
[15:32] <oerheks> sruli, i don't understand why you need those options in the 1st place...
[15:33] <sobersabre> I mean if I have disabled all .service/.socket stuff resolved had, it won't do any good. or you're now paranoidizing me.......
[15:33] <sobersabre> fallentree: ^^^
[15:34] <sruli> oerheks: i need those options in ubuntu-gnome and ubuntu-mate .. always needed them in those flavours, regular ubuntu and lubuntu seem to be fine
[15:34] <nemo> mordof: yeaaaah you guys might want to tweak your scripts to clean up after themselves ☺
[15:34] <fallentree> sobersabre: you have to "mask" a service if you don't want it activated by any means
[15:34] <fallentree> just "disable"-ing won't help
[15:34] <sruli> oerheks: how do i change default mount options for all exfat drives?
[15:34] <sobersabre> fallentree: done.
[15:35] <sobersabre> testing reboot...
[15:37] <oerheks> sruli, i don't know where those exfat/fuse options would be
[15:37] <sruli> anyone know how to change default mount options for exfat?
[15:37] <oerheks> you would need to use them manually i guess, there is no gui with options
[15:38] <sruli> oerheks: there must be a config file somewhere
[15:39] <akik> JPelletier: there's a trick for you here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelDebuggingTricks boot_delay=N
[15:40] <newBee> I have setup various networks with 'wpa_cli', where are those saved network files located? I want to remove them.
[15:41] <oerheks> newBee, in your keyring perhaps?
[15:42] <JPelletier> akik: Like I said forget my initial question, kernel messages doesn't start at all
[15:53] <libertas> ducasse: openvpn server
[15:55] <akik> JPelletier: maybe your storage device is starting to fail? check its smart values?
[15:56] <JPelletier> akik: Tried with another brand new SSD :(
[15:59] <ducasse> libertas: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenVPN_(server)_in_Linux_containers
[16:07] <Abbott> I'm trying to boot an Ubuntu USB that I made using Universal USB Installer, but after I choose to boot Ubuntu in GRUB, my monitor goes to sleep. How do I troubleshoot this?
[16:09] <hipp> Abbott: have you tried booting with nomodeset  ?
[16:09] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[16:15] <adamdesign> How do you go about and fix that?
[16:16] <oerheks> adamdesign, fix what? i have seen no question
[16:17] <adamdesign> Abbott's question: Is there a setting to boot with nomodeset at the install options screen?
[16:17] <hipp> press 'e' at grub screen  .....  add 'nomodeset' to LINUX= line   ....  https://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[16:17] <oerheks> yes, it is all described in that url, there is a F6 option nomodeset in the gui
[16:19] <sary> That's Probably either wrong resolution or wrong frequency rate!
[16:25] <Abbott> hipp: there's no LINUX= line for me, but there is a kernel line that ends with ... quiet -- that I changed to quiet nomodeset --
[16:25] <Abbott> does that seem right?
[16:27] <hipp> yes
[16:27] <sgen> How can I check how much space is left on a drive?
[16:28] <oerheks> df -h # gives you a number and a percentage
[16:28] <sgen> Is there any way df could be wrong?
[16:29] <hipp> sgen: or the graphical utility disks
[16:29] <sruli> ubuntu-gnome 16.04 i am having trouble with auto mounting USB drive fat32, i have no write permission, i have to manually remount with "uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137" how can i change the behaviour of auto mount to always use this option for all exfat drives?
[16:30] <oerheks> df and du give different output, "df - report file system disk space usage" and "du - estimate file space usage"
[16:30] <sgen> IS there any way to find out how many inotify watchers are in use?
[16:31] <sary> sruli: #See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[16:33] <sruli> sary: thanks but both of those do not specify how to change automount options for all usb exfat drives
[16:33] <haymi> I have ubuntu 16.04 wifi suddenly stoped before it was stoped after 5 minute  but righ now i cant access any wifi any help?
[16:33] <oerheks> fat32<>exfat
[16:34] <sruli> oerheks: i'm aware of that, i still cannot find a way to apply mount options to all, in fstab i need to specify the UUID...
[16:38] <Seveas> oerheks: instead of exfat, they should have called it slim :-)
[16:38] <sruli> lol
[16:38] <sary> sruli: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[16:40] <sruli> sary: same thing, need to provide UUID or /dev/ path
[16:41] <nacc> sruli: find the disk's UUID with `blkid` or /dev/disk/by-uui/
[16:41] <nacc> */dev/disk/by-uuid
[16:41] <sruli> nacc: i need to set it for all drives, not specific ones
[16:41] <nacc> sruli: you only have exfat drives on your system?
[16:42] <sruli> nacc: no, i need to set it for all exfat drives
[16:42] <sruli> i found the problem why i dont have mount write permissions, automount mounts it in /media/usb instead of /media/USER/usb how do i change this behavior
[16:42] <nacc> sruli: fstab doesn't allow you to express that
[16:42] <Abbott> hipp: that worked, thanks :)
[16:42] <nacc> sruli: you might be able to do it with a udev rule (the per-fstype part of things)
[16:44] <nacc> sruli: i think that's controlled by udisks (the per-user mount point)
[16:45] <ghost12345> Hello. Can someone help me with MAAS on ubuntu 16.04 ? I have created question https://askubuntu.com/questions/930023/how-to-add-custom-power-type-to-maas-2-1-x-to-use-pc-power-control-using-raspber
[16:45] <nacc> ghost12345: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[16:45] <ghost12345> thanks
[16:51] <pclark36> anyone ever had an issue with Sky minimizing chat windows every time it's notification shade fades out?
[16:52] <nemo> what is Sky?
[16:53] <nacc> pclark36: did you mean Skype?
[17:00] <kuriozalny> hello
[17:09] <dlam> is there a command to 'restart' the touchpad?  (mine sometimes dosent work on boot)
[17:10] <EriC^^> dlam: remose the driver and reload it might work
[17:10] <irwiss> is there some neat way to get systemd unit trigger ufw or iptables to open up a port or close it when a service unit starts/stops?
[17:10] <EriC^^> *remove
[17:10] <irwiss> err i mean open when unit starts and close it when it stops
[17:11] <EriC^^> dlam: sudo rmmod <module> then sudo insmod <module>   get the module name from "dmesg"
[17:11] <dlam> :O  ohh i thought you meant  'sudo apt-get reinstall xserver-xorg-input-synaptics'
[17:13] <EriC^^> dlam: no, try sudo rmmod psmouse && sudo insmod psmouse
[17:17] <zach> So RE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-files/+bug/1701068 -- Can anyone explain this? https://twitter.com/timrchavez/status/880470170812260353
[17:17] <zach> nacc: ^^ Since you helped yesterday
[17:18] <zach> kirkland: ^^ since you're assigned that bug
[17:20] <pclark36> nacc: no, I meant sky by tel.red.  It's a microsoft Lync port/replacement
[17:20] <oerheks> zach, explain what exactly?
[17:20] <oerheks> it is your own bugreport, you found a phone-home leak
[17:21] <s77> Hi
[17:21] <sgen> How can I find out the maximum amount of inotify watches I my system allows?
[17:22] <zach> oerheks: The tweet -- the call home is leaking potentially sensitive information about the system via a UserAgent setting with curl.
[17:24] <blkadder> https://github.com/guard/listen/wiki/Increasing-the-amount-of-inotify-watchers
[17:27] <s77> What is a decent laptop brand for using ubuntu and programming stuff?
[17:27] <zach> Anything you want that fits within your budget
[17:27] <s77> Are all brands fullt compatible?
[17:27] <s77> Fully
[17:27] <oerheks> You ask for it: Apple
[17:27] <s77> :p
[17:28] <nacc> zach: no, I can't
[17:28] <nacc> pclark36: is that an ubuntu package?
[17:30] <Muimi> So i did sudo chown $USER/USER ~/.Xauthority and it said "muimi user not recognized"
[17:31] <nacc> zach: whether it's an abuse or not, the comments above that line do say why each variable is passed back
[17:31] <Muimi> $USER/$USER
[17:31] <Muimi> I'm still having the inability to log in
[17:31] <nacc> Muimi: $USER:$USER
[17:31] <Muimi> I wish I could roll back all the changes that happened when I tried to install wechat
[17:31] <Muimi> oh $USER:$USER .  DUH.  Probably that's why I got an error.
[17:33] <pclark36> nacc: yes it is
[17:33] <nacc> pclark36: what is the package name?
[17:33] <pclark36> I guess it's not truly ubuntu being you have to install the tel.red repo
[17:34] <nacc> pclark36: right, so not an ubuntu package but a tel.red package. Contact tel.red for support, I think.
[17:34] <pclark36> yeah, nm
[17:34] <Muimi> Is there a way to reverse changes to a cerain date such as is done in Windows?
[17:34] <nacc> Muimi: not by default, no.
[17:34] <Muimi> I could probably just YADATA and yudatudatu and uninstall the os and re-install it and then turn it on
[17:35] <Muimi> Dang, dude.  I wish it at least asked by default in the desktop system.
[17:35] <nacc> Muimi: it's a different philosophy in *nix than in windows
[17:36] <Muimi> Yeah, okay, whatever.  But no matter where you go data security is like the most valuable thing these days
[17:36] <sgen> Is there any way to find out which processes are using inotify inodes? Im running out (again) and my max is already fs.inotify.max_user_watches=1048576
[17:37] <sgen> I think something is eating or leaking them
[17:37] <nacc> Muimi: i'm not sure what data security has to do with taking desktop snapshots.
[17:38] <Muimi> As I've tried and tried to get into ubuntu over the years, basically every time it's just endlessly trying to administrate without being able to accomplish simple things.  But everyone keeps telling me: 'you should just use ubuntu'
[17:38] <Muimi> well, if you don't take a snapshot and you end up with an administration problem like this, then you can't access your files
[17:38] <Muimi> it's like having a corrupted harddrive
[17:39] <Muimi> you try to install something, and it screws up your computer.  whatever philosophy you subscribe to, that will mess you up
[17:41] <nacc> Muimi: you, as root, did something to your system.
[17:42] <nacc> Muimi: and you're blaming Ubuntu for not taking a backup of your system before you did that?
[17:42] <nemo> nacc: well he kinda has a point. sorta.
[17:42] <nacc> nemo: I'm just asking for clarification
[17:42] <nemo> nacc: Windows is more obsessive about snapshotting the system.  Not that I've ever found it at all in the least bit useful
[17:42] <nacc> Muimi: what is "something" in this case? is it an ubuntu package?
[17:42] <nemo> nacc: since it just bloats up the system to the point of tens of gigabytes.  and. any attempt to roll back breaks my stuff anyway
[17:43] <nemo> nacc: I usually just turn it off
[17:43] <nacc> nemo: i don't use windows, so I don't know
[17:44] <nemo> nacc: debian ubuntu *should* make it easier to roll back to earlier versions of packages - I've always found this way more painful in debian/ubuntu than in, say, gentoo
[17:44] <nemo> nacc: it's possible just tedious
[17:44] <nacc> nemo: to earlier version of packages?
[17:44] <nacc> nemo: i'm not sure what you're referring to relative to what Muimi is referring to
[17:44] <nemo> nacc: Muimi installed stuff that screwed up his system.  most of that is packages
[17:44] <nemo> nacc: it should be possible to roll those back
[17:45] <nemo> nacc: it's doable but not at all convenient. you can't just select older version of package and have it autoresolve and reinstall the old dependencies
[17:45] <nemo> unlike on other linuxes
[17:45] <nemo> nacc: the rest is just configuration versioning which is indeed not default on ubuntu, but usually as simple as just adding versioning to /etc
[17:45] <nacc> nemo: what stuff did Muimi install? that's all I was asking
[17:46] <nacc> nemo: in general, Ubuntu does as-installed testing of packages.
[17:46] <nemo> nacc: I have no idea. I was focusing on his general problem "reverse changes to a certain date"
[17:46] <nemo> nacc: there's no particular reason to do it date-based snapshotting - although you could of course install backup management
[17:46] <nemo> nacc: personally the vast majority of time I find it better to do that per-package rather than per-date
[17:46] <DJones> Muimi: What package did you install that caused these issues
[17:46] <nacc> nemo: i'm not particularly interested in this particular line of disucssion
[17:47] <nemo> alrighty
[17:47] <nacc> nemo: i'm just trying to resolve Muimi's issue
[17:48] <nacc> DJones: i see some mention of wechat, but i'm not sure if that is weechat or something else. Not sure why that would have messed with ~/.Xauthority if so.
[17:48] <nacc> (if so == if weechat)
[17:48] <DJones> nemo: /lastlog Muimi
[17:49] <nemo> DJones: oh neat. I had no idea /lastlog took a user param. thanks.  I was just scrolling back and hunting for name
[17:49] <DJones> nacc: If it is weechat, sounds like a bug report is needed
[17:49] <nacc> DJones: agreed, no confirmation yet
[17:50] <nacc> DJones: it would appear 'wechat' is also a thing (a chinese messaging service)
[17:50] <DJones> nacc: Ouch....
[17:50] <nacc> DJones: so I'm really not sure :)
[17:50] <DJones> nacc: Bet thats not in the repo's
[17:51] <nacc> DJones: right :)
[17:55] <nacc> sgen: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/15509/whos-consuming-my-inotify-resources
[17:57] <sgen> nacc: Thanks
[17:57] <nacc> sgen: yw
[17:59] <martinrame> hi, in one disk I have some directories with permissions drwxr-xr-x owned by me. I can write, but "root" cannot, how can I check why root cannot write there?
[18:00] <martinrame> btw: I'm using ubuntu 16.04 server
[18:00] <martinrame> more: the directory is an nfs mounted.
[18:01] <ducasse> martinrame: is it exported with no_root_squash?
[18:02] <martinrame> ducasse: hehe, I was just reading that from stackoverflow, I'm checking
[18:05] <martinrame> ducasse: yea!, added that parameter, exportfs -ra, and it started workin, thank you!
[18:36] <lavinho> good night
[18:36] <lavinho> how to install tp-link ue300 ?
[18:38] <nostalgiccloud> Hey!
[18:38] <nostalgiccloud> Quick question about LXD
[18:39] <nostalgiccloud> when I stop a container, it's storage is retained right?
[18:39] <nostalgiccloud> so I can restart containers without data loss
[18:39] <lavinho> help me pleae
[18:40] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: yes, stopping a container does not delete the container
[18:41] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: unless it's ephemeral
[19:02] <marshwallow> Hi there!
[19:02] <marshwallow> I'm trying to use an Epson Stylus DX4050 printer on Ubuntu Zesty.
[19:03] <marshwallow> Scanning, to be precise.
[19:03] <marshwallow> I've tried to follow the instructions a French guy posted, but Simple Scan is still failing.
[19:04] <marshwallow> This: http://www.cedynamix.fr/installer-une-epson-stylus-color-dx4050-sous-ubuntu/.
[19:04] <marshwallow> I'll check once again that I didn't fail at writing something, but I believe something else's wrong.
[19:05] <marshwallow> If there's a specialized IRC channel for such problems, please let me know.
[19:05] <marshwallow> Or if it's a thing more applicable for AskUbuntu or Ubuntu forums.
[19:05] <oerheks> that was a tutor from 2006....
[19:06] <marshwallow> I know, but it's still not working out of the box...
[19:07] <oerheks> indeed, this recent italian post says download the .deb packages from epson, it should work https://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?p=4850072
[19:08] <marshwallow> Thanks! Will try it out.
[19:09] <CoderEurope> Does anyone know how to get the password screen off my chrome browser - everytime I have to "log-in" ??
[19:09] <CoderEurope> its like a key-ring question - but it just asks for a password (?)
[19:27] <leftyfb> CoderEurope: it's a bug that is getting ignored for some reason: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/1689825
[19:30] <s_spiff> hey folks, I'm trying to run a dumpall command from the postgres account with the output file located on a mounted partition.. i keep getting the error permission denied
[19:30] <s_spiff> How do I add postgres to the users that can read/write to that external drive?
[19:31] <leftyfb> s_spiff: why do you need to do this as the postgres system user?
[19:32] <s_spiff> leftyfb: i haven't created any other super user
[19:32] <leftyfb> s_spiff: use sudo
[19:32] <leftyfb> or if you're going to put this into a cron job, then put it in root's crontab
[19:33] <s_spiff> so in the cron job definition, I don't state the user as "postgres"?
[19:33] <leftyfb> why would you?
[19:33] <s_spiff> leftyfb: https://www.saltycrane.com/blog/2008/12/postgres-backup-cron/
[19:33] <jhutchins_wk> s_spiff: You can also fix the mount so the postgress user can write to it.
[19:34] <s_spiff> jhutchins_ how do I do that.. right now I'm the owner of the mount.
[19:34] <leftyfb> as long as you're using credentials to login to postgres from root or whatever user, then you should not be using the postrgres user to do anything
[19:34] <leftyfb> using a system user to do anything is bad
[19:34] <s_spiff> leftyfb: ouu..
[19:34] <leftyfb> other than run it's appropriate services
[19:34] <s_spiff> leftyfb: i see..
[19:34] <jhutchins_wk> s_spiff: I'm guessing you're letting a GUI filemanager mount it through fuse.
[19:35] <leftyfb> s_spiff: if you changed it, please put the shell for the postgres user back to /dev/null or whatever it was before
[19:35] <s_spiff> okay. will try it out
[19:36] <leftyfb> jhutchins_wk: please don't encourage insecure behavior/habits
[19:39] <marshwallow> oerheks, tried following the whole thread. The scanner is now easily visible in Simple Scan, but it still won't start scanning.
[19:40] <marshwallow> Is there anything else I could try, or should I go back and scan in Windows?
[19:41] <jhutchins_wk> leftyfb: I don't intend to.  You're making a lot of assumptions.
[19:42] <leftyfb> jhutchins_wk: suggesting someone run a backup script using a system account is bad practice
[19:42] <jhutchins_wk> leftyfb: I do agree that the dump should either be done by root (sudo) or a regular user, not a system account.
[19:42] <jhutchins_wk> leftyfb: I did not suggest that.
[19:43] <jhutchins_wk> leftyfb: I was pursuing fixing the mount permissions.
[19:43] <marshwallow> I really like the Simple Scan workflow (there is nothing like that in Windows), but there's no use of it if SANE can't talk with my printer.
[19:44] <marshwallow> Heck, it's stuck while closing.
[19:44] <marshwallow> I don't speak Italian, but I think I've done everything done in the thread, and it won't work.
[19:49] <wutr> Hi all, is there a way to use LVM to dynamically resize a partition automatically by taking some of another partition that has plenty of free space?
[19:50] <jhutchins_wk> wutr: You can shrink the partition to create free space, then add that space to the target partition.
[19:50] <nostalgiccloud> SO
[19:51] <marshwallow> Dynamically? Why not GParted?
[19:51] <nostalgiccloud> With LXD how is storage handled?
[19:51] <jhutchins_wk> wutr: Since you need to make a backup if you're messing with partitions, you can also just back up, repartition, and restore.  That's usually faster.
[19:53] <wutr> jhutchins_wk: I may be overthinking this. What I'm trying to do is have the benefits of having one partition (there's only one drive) with everything on it, combined with the benefits of having a separate partition for /home
[19:53] <wutr> marshwallow: (lol your name) Without user interference I mean
[19:54] <nostalgiccloud> Googleing LXD longterm storage brings up guides on storing LSD longterm...
[19:54] <nostalgiccloud> heh
[19:55] <marshwallow> wutr, do you mean that I'm interrupting your discussion? Sorry then.
[19:55] <shadow98> anybody have any experience using clonezilla on harddisk to boot using grub
[19:55] <akik> nostalgiccloud: it uses your root file system by default
[19:55] <wutr> marshwallow: no not at all I was just saying that I'm looking to find out if resizing can be done automatically, not by the user
[19:56] <marshwallow> O, oh, okay :D.
[19:56] <akik> nostalgiccloud: /var/lib/lxd/containers
[19:56] <marshwallow> Glad you like it :).
[19:56] <nostalgiccloud> akik, ok!
[19:56] <nostalgiccloud> akik, I want to setup two LXD containers for HA loadbalancing apache2
[19:57] <marshwallow> wutr: isn't "intervention" the word you're looking for?
[19:57] <wutr> marshwallow: yes it is xD
[19:57] <wutr> marshwallow: although interference will probably end up being what's actually happening ;)
[19:57] <marshwallow> Yeah...
[19:58] <marshwallow> BTW, I'm not a Linux pro, but I'd say you're shaking grounds by shifting files during runtime, no?
[19:58] <nostalgiccloud> So akik with the performance penalty of the directory backend, what is the hit on? Running or just setup
[19:58] <marshwallow> Unless it's a separate storage space.
[19:58] <marshwallow> With files frozen, or locks released while moving.
[19:58] <akik> nostalgiccloud: those containers are light weight and start in seconds
[19:59] <nostalgiccloud> akik, I'm going to put a full ubuntu image as my base
[19:59] <wutr> I suppose partitioning was a thing of HDDs, SSDs don't care where the data is..
[20:00] <akik> nostalgiccloud: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/28/getting-started-with-lxd-the-container-lightervisor/
[20:00] <nostalgiccloud> I've read that
[20:00] <marshwallow> I don't have an SSD, so I don't really know how things work over there.
[20:01] <akik> wutr: you partition your ssd as you did your hdd
[20:01] <akik> wutr: (well i don't know about you specifically :)
[20:02] <wutr> akik: indeed and I think that's why my wish for dynamically resizing a "partition" won't work. If there was a more modern way of doing things, not based on spinning disks and physical sectors it would probably be possible
[20:02] <marshwallow> Guess I'll have to go back to Windows.
[20:03] <wutr> marshwallow: ha!
[20:03] <akik> wutr: you can use lvm if you have lots of space, then use it to allocate new slices. lvm is not anything new though
[20:04] <marshwallow> wutr, I'm trying to use my DX4050 AIO printer/scanner to scan in Linux, but it's not going to happen. Tried following every guide thrown at me. It works in Windows, but Windows doesn't have Simple Scan or anything similar.
[20:04] <wutr> akik: I've never used LVM and the laptop this will be on only has one drive so not sure how to use that to that effect
[20:04] <eoh293> Since a few days, when I try to `apt-get update`, I always receive `Could not execute 'apt-key' to verify signature (is gnupg installed?)`. Is there any way to debug this? Yes, gnupg and GPG are installed …
[20:04] <akik> wutr: actually you can use resize2fs to resize a root file system if you just first can resize the underlying partition
[20:05] <akik> wutr: (a mounted root file system)
[20:06] <akik> wutr: for example, you allocate 500 gigs of a 2 terabyte disk, then later use that 1.5 teras that is unallocated to create new lvm physical volumes to add to the existing lvm volume group
[20:06] <wutr> akik:  I see but you'd do that in small slices? so say add 50GB at a time
[20:07] <akik> wutr: it's all in your hands to decide how
[20:07] <marshwallow> I'll just bump my SANE problem, just in case someone knows this stuff.
[20:07] <wutr> marshwallow: sorry no good with scanners, I was glad when I got my HP AIO going
[20:07] <marshwallow> It's fine, I just wanted to explain why I'm mentioning Windows at all.
[20:08] <akik> marshwallow: sane lists dx-4050 as a supported usb connected device
[20:09] <akik> marshwallow: try installing xsane and gimp and then use gimp to access the file/create menu
[20:09] <marshwallow> Tried using xsane, it says my scanner is busy.
[20:10] <marshwallow> Gonna try GIMP, but I doubt it.
[20:10] <akik> marshwallow: you need xsane too
[20:10] <oerheks> maybe you need to add yourself to a scanner group ?
[20:10] <marshwallow> I am in the scanner, saned and lp groups.
[20:10] <marshwallow> xsane is installed.
[20:11] <oerheks> did you try to unplug/plug the printer/scanner ??
[20:11] <marshwallow> Gonna try.
[20:12] <marshwallow> Printer replugged and power cycled. Let's see now.
[20:12] <oerheks> If this does not fix, i have no other clues
[20:13] <marshwallow> Okay, okay, got into xsane's window. That's good stuff, I guess.
[20:14] <marshwallow> And... device I/O error.
[20:14] <marshwallow> epson2 driver.
[20:14] <marshwallow> Trying epkowa.
[20:18] <marshwallow> epson, not epson2. It was suggested on ubuntu-it.org to disable epson2.
[20:19] <hehehe> hi
[20:19] <hehehe> evolution gets stuck
[20:19] <hehehe> mail client
[20:19] <hehehe> i wonder how i can debug it somehow
[20:20] <marshwallow> Nah, no luck.
[20:21] <marshwallow> hehehe, I'm just a newbie here, but gdb and valgrind come to mind.
[20:22] <marshwallow> Perhaps debugging Evolution in some decent GTK+ IDE?
[20:24] <s_spiff> clear
[20:25] <hehehe> ok its working
[20:26] <UNIcodeX> does anyone here use timeshift? does it work properly on a machine with a separate /boot and an encrypted LUKS /root?
[20:28] <eoh293> Is AppArmor supposed to block / prevent anything in “complain” mode?
[20:29] <eoh293> Funny thing, if I set “sshd” to complain, I can’t `apt-get update` anymore. If I `aa-disable` it, it works again.
[20:30] <eoh293> I thought complain, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor should allow the app to “function normally”, as the Wiki puts it
[20:31] <nostalgiccloud> So
[20:31] <nostalgiccloud> I am setting up LXD
[20:31] <nostalgiccloud> I want to use Ubuntu in my container
[20:32] <nostalgiccloud> how would I choose ubuntu server?
[20:32] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: not sure i follow
[20:32] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: you have LXD alrady setup?
[20:32] <leftyfb> nostalgiccloud: the default ubuntu template will give you what you're looking for
[20:32] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: `lxc launch ubuntu:<release name>`
[20:33] <nostalgiccloud> leftyfb, Ty
[20:33] <nostalgiccloud> leftyfb, you think I should use Ubuntu Core for just hosting a webserver
[20:33] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: the ubuntu: images are the cloud images
[20:33] <leftyfb> nostalgiccloud: I don't really see a benefit
[20:34] <nostalgiccloud> Automated updates
[20:34] <leftyfb> nostalgiccloud: depends on your needs. Ubuntu core only uses snaps for packaging
[20:40] <nostalgiccloud> So at this point I am lost with containers.
[20:41] <nostalgiccloud> They seem more and more like enviroments than actual operating systems
[20:41] <shadow98> Hey guys I am dual booting Windows and Ubuntu and I want to add clonezilla to the menu for grub.  I have to take into account im using UEFI.  Any ideas how i add the clonezilla partition to the grub menu and where its located i tried to find the menu im used to in /etc/grub.d and i can't find the menu that comes up.  I am assuming that it has something to do with EFI system
[20:42] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: they are not operating systems
[20:42] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: a container is just a process
[20:43] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: with some special magic that makes it so the process thinks it is on its own system (in the case of LXD)
[20:43] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: it is not a VM
[20:43] <nostalgiccloud> w-why
[20:43] <nostalgiccloud> Containers are just glorified sandboxes
[20:43] <blkadder> It's a fancy isolation mechanism (on a good day, except when you are running things as root, which never mind...)
[20:43] <blkadder> nostalgiccloud, Yes.
[20:43] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: because you don't need VMs for most things
[20:44] <blkadder> Less resources.
[20:44] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: and containers are way cheaper to start and use
[20:44] <nostalgiccloud> heh
[20:44] <blkadder> And they add complexity.
[20:44] <blkadder> For free.
[20:44] <nacc> blkadder: :)
[20:45] <nostalgiccloud> So in theory I could do what I want using snaps?
[20:45] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: i don't know what you want to do
[20:45] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: and why you're switching from containers to snaps a topic? they aren't really related
[20:45] <nostalgiccloud> Run webservers in isolated enviroments
[20:45] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: multiple webservers?
[20:46] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: snaps are an application packaging format
[20:46] <nostalgiccloud> snaps are run in sandboxes.
[20:46] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: yes, but you can't have two of the same snap run if they are both webservers on the same port
[20:46] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: ports are still a top-level mechanism
[20:46] <nacc> (iirc)
[20:47] <nostalgiccloud> I know that
[20:47] <nostalgiccloud> i"m not new to linux but I am new to containers
[20:47] <blkadder> So why do you think you need a container vs say using VMs?
[20:48] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: ok, so explain your problem in more detail. Are you trying to run multiple isolated webservers on the same system?
[20:48] <nostalgiccloud> VM's are overkill for my task
[20:48] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: i'm 99% sure you should can just use lxd containers for your purposes (based upon what you've described so far)
[20:48] <blkadder> As nacc says, please explain your task in detail. :-)
[20:48] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: i don't think snaps match what you want
[20:50] <nostalgiccloud> I want to run multiple webservers in a isolated environment for HA / FO
[20:50] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: on the same machine?
[20:50] <nostalgiccloud> yes
[20:50] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: then snaps won't help you
[20:50] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: use VMs and port redirection as needed
[20:51] <nostalgiccloud> VM's are way overkill.
[20:51] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: or have them live on their own IPs
[20:51] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: or do the same with containers, then
[20:51] <xdevnull> hello, i've inserted my external hard drive into usb port. i see the hard disc button on the menu bar with correct name. when i click it it keeps loading but not opening. how do i log errors? if any present
[20:51] <blkadder> Sorry you want to run multiple servers on the same physical hardware for HA?
[20:51] <blkadder> Does not compute.
[20:52] <nacc> blkadder: yeah, I am glossing that :)
[20:52] <nostalgiccloud> High Availability doesn't have to protect against hardware failure
[20:52]  * nacc imagines just reliability, multipath-y webserving
[20:52] <blkadder> It's generally a good idea.
[20:52] <nostalgiccloud> I want to be able to take a webserver offline, tweak it and bring it back
[20:53] <blkadder> Ok more like blue green deploy.
[20:53] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: so maybe I missed it, but why can't you do what you want with containers?
[20:53] <blkadder> or red black or whatever other combination of colors suits your fancy
[20:53] <jhutchins_wk> nostalgiccloud: Generally, HA -DOES- have to account for hardware failure, but you are specifying a special case.
[20:53] <nostalgiccloud> jhutchins_wk, I never said HA against hardware failure
[20:53] <blkadder> LOL
[20:53] <nacc> i think FO is a better description here
[20:53] <blkadder> Yes
[20:53] <nacc> as in FailOver
[20:53] <blkadder> Seems so.
[20:54] <jhutchins_wk> nostalgiccloud: The problem is you can't run multiple servers on the same hardware listening to the same port.
[20:54] <nostalgiccloud> When I think HA I think of being able to pull out a instance and not have downtime
[20:54] <blkadder> You need to front-end with a lb
[20:54] <blkadder> That can map ports
[20:54] <nostalgiccloud> when I think of FO I think of another server physically ready and waiting
[20:54] <jhutchins_wk> nostalgiccloud: You have to have a front-end that listens to the standard port and redirects to either different hardware or different local instances on different ports.
[20:54] <nacc> right, you would need to port redirection
[20:54] <nostalgiccloud> jhutchins_wk, yes I am not new to Linux, I understand this
[20:54] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: well, you are using HA and FO in non-standard ways then :)
[20:55] <blkadder> ^
[20:55] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: and we're just trying to undrestand what you mean w/o jargon
[20:55] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, fair
[20:55] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: in any case, with something like haproxy or traefik at the host, you can do what you're suggesting with containers, i think, all on one system
[20:56] <nostalgiccloud> I'm pretty sure I've said it already but just incase, apache2 will be behind nginx
[20:56] <jhutchins_wk> xdevnull: dmessg, /car/log/syslog
[20:56] <nacc> (at that point, that the instnaces are containers or VMs becomes transparent)
[20:56] <jhutchins_wk> xdevnull: dmessg, /var/log/syslog
[20:56] <nacc> s/transparent/irrelevant/
[20:56] <blkadder> Huh?
[20:56] <jhutchins_wk> nacc: You can run multiple instances of nginx or apache on the same server.
[20:56] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: so nginx is your load balancer
[20:57] <nacc> jhutchins_wk: true, with specifying the port for each?
[20:57] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, bingo
[20:57] <jhutchins_wk> nacc: Right.
[20:57] <nacc> jhutchins_wk: it is equivalent to having them all ont he same port, but on containers (and nostalgiccloud specifically asked for isolation)
[20:57] <blkadder> Well that's an interesting choice.
[20:57] <nacc> jhutchins_wk: equiv. in this case, i mean
[20:58] <jhutchins_wk> In the real world, we do VMs, that way there's a broader range of changes we can make without taking a site down.
[20:58] <jhutchins_wk> We can add ram, add disk, add CPUs.
[20:59] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: so nginx on the host, and load-balancing to multiple apache containers (or processes as jhutchins_wk suggested or VMs)
[20:59] <nacc> jhutchins_wk: true, different use cases demand different solutions
[20:59] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, yea
[20:59] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: yep, so that's doable in any of the three methods, afaict
[21:00] <jhutchins_wk> If you REALLY want to get HA, you run in multiple datacenters.
[21:00] <nostalgiccloud> jhutchins_wk, true
[21:00] <blkadder> In different geographic locations. On different power grids.
[21:00] <blkadder> etc. etc.
[21:01] <blkadder> Pro-tip: Putting everything in US-EAST1 in AWS != HA
[21:01] <nacc> heh
[21:01] <blkadder> I can't count the number of times I have talked to companies that do this.
[21:01] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: in any case, I think you have enough info now to make a decision?
[21:01] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, I feel like I do
[21:01] <jhutchins_wk> Microsoft had their primary DNS servers on the same subnet ... for a while.
[21:02] <blkadder> nostalgiccloud, Don't know if it suits your use case but I have heard really positive things about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDWgs2cnga0
[21:02] <blkadder> Wrong link
[21:02] <blkadder> Sorry. :-)
[21:02] <blkadder> https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-ve
[21:02] <nostalgiccloud> I was very confused.
[21:02] <blkadder> That's the correct one. :-)
[21:02] <nostalgiccloud> lol
[21:02] <jhutchins_wk> We worked at a datacenter that had two distinct 14KV feeds coming in from geographically different grids in different directions.
[21:03] <nostalgiccloud> blkadder, I fucking LOVE proxmox
[21:03] <jhutchins_wk> Plus we had generators.
[21:03] <nostalgiccloud> My hosting provider actually gives me 16 IP's and offers me Proxmox as a install option
[21:03] <blkadder> Good deal.
[21:03] <nostalgiccloud> I think they're ipv6
[21:03] <blkadder> I haven't used it myself but have heard good things about it. Plan on playing with it at some point.
[21:03] <nostalgiccloud> use it.
[21:04] <blkadder> I usually don't need to put a bunch of stuff on the same boxes. :-)
[21:04] <nostalgiccloud> The reason I didn't go with it is that it's built on Debian instead of Ubuntu so AFAIK: No kernel live patching
[21:05] <blkadder> Ack
[21:05] <nostalgiccloud> The reason I stick to Canonical is how polished it is, and the enterprise features
[21:05] <nostalgiccloud> Livepatching the kernel is a nice one
[21:07] <blkadder> Cattle not pets... :-)
[21:12] <ikonia> livepatching the kernel is pointless
[21:21] <budric> hi does anyone know if it's possible to start xorg server without a tty device?  An lxd container I'm trying to run it under doesn't have any.
[21:21] <ikonia> you can use virtual ttys
[21:22] <ikonia> or you can map through tty's into the container
[21:22] <budric> ikonia: how can I create a virtual one?
[21:23] <ikonia> budric: look up ptys
[21:24] <budric> ikonia: i tried mapping one into the container /dev/tty0, but i got an even more weird error xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 2 (No such file or directory).
[21:24] <budric> I'll look up ptys
[21:24] <ikonia> budric: how did you map it ?
[21:24] <ikonia> there is a really good document that I can't find annoyingly about tty pass through to containers
[21:25] <budric> lxc config device add my-container-name tty0 unix-char path=/dev/tty0
[21:25] <budric> I got it from this discussion: https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/1129
[21:25] <budric> although that adds it to the profile
[21:25] <ikonia> budric: I'm not sure that works, I think you can only do that with block devices, I remember having this with video card pass through for a video encoding farm
[21:26] <ikonia> (or certain types of devices)
[21:26] <ikonia> you need to do it different for ttys
[21:26] <ikonia> (working from memory)
[21:26] <budric> in general though, why does xorg need tty?  you can start without a monitor, you can start with dummy video card, but can't do it without console?
[21:26] <ikonia> tty is basically just a virtual terminal to bind it to
[21:27] <ikonia> it needs "something" to display on
[21:34] <budric> ikonia: so i'm a little confused about your suggestions using pseudo terminal.  I logged into the container via ssh and it shows me on /dev/pts/0.  xinit still throws an error that it wants to start on tty0, and looking at xinit/xserver arguments I can't seem to specify pty (vtXX is a possibility however you create those)
[21:44] <MWM> Im looking for an alternative to "metamorphose2" when I try to install from .deb or PPA I get a list of dependencies that cannot be satisfies soo... what else is there? :)
[21:45] <MWM> well kiss my grits.  Never mnind.  apt --fix-broken install worked finally
[21:46] <hipp> MWM: have you tried 'apt-get install -f' after install
[21:46] <hipp> nm
[21:52] <dlam> is there a thing to view GIS data on ubuntu?  like i got this shapefile and wanna look at it
[21:55] <blkadder> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS
[21:57] <dlam> oooo thanks!  me go add that repo
[21:59] <rek> sudo vi /etc/openvpn/up.sh what is this script doing for me? can you explain it in every line? it's here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN
[22:15] <Seveas> rek: that tutorial wants you to use a bridge interface for some reason. Do you really need that?
[22:16] <Seveas> those scripts maintain the bridge interface
[22:17] <Seveas> I usually use tun interfaces instead of tap, and either proper routing or nat'ing of the vpn traffic. Much easier to maintain
[22:50] <alexas> hello i have a problem with encrypted drive on which Ubuntu is installed
[22:50] <alexas> it is while loading sends me to initramfs
[22:50] <alexas> without password prompt
[22:51] <alexas> I am able to access the drive from live usb with error 'file system not found' but I can browse through content
[22:51] <alexas> I also get an error of misssing superblock, I would like to know how can I restore it from live usb
[22:53] <vlt> alexas: Is the command `cryptsetup` available in initramfs?
[22:53] <alexas> vlt: I am not aware of that now, as I worked all day through live usb, but apparently no I think it was not
[22:54] <alexas> vlt: to find out I have to disconnect and try it out, which is unlikely in my situation right now, as I have some preference to set up to run system again, so it would be time consuming
[22:56] <alexas> vlt: btw it is Ubuntu 17 and I have succesfully fixed some issues with an encrypted swap (freezing system) and I didn't not finalize the operation apparently, then I haven't reboot the system for a long time and apparently after the crash there was different kernel that was the issue. The drive on the system is SSD so I did not think it is bad block or anything related
[22:57] <alexas> Sorry for a confusing lot of information!
[22:58] <alexas> https://askubuntu.com/questions/922319/ubuntu-17-04-freezing-issue# - here is what the freezing issue was, and the thing i haven't done is I did not checked /etc/fstab parameters - I suspect this is the reason for current problems
[22:58] <alexas> https://askubuntu.com/questions/922319/ubuntu-17-04-freezing-issue# - from that post
[23:00] <vlt> alexas: If it's not a bad blocks problem you could try `CRYPTSETUP=Y update-initramfs ...`
[23:01] <alexas> vlt: can I execute that from live usb?
[23:02] <vlt> alexas: Yes. Might need to bind-mount /dev (and /sys and /proc -- I always forge which is needed) and chroot.
[23:02] <vlt> *forget
[23:13] <alexas> vlt: any step by step instructions you have in mind as a reference?
[23:16] <alexas> vlt: found that rather long question and I am confused: https://askubuntu.com/questions/653408/mounting-encrypted-luks-partition-from-live-cd
[23:36] <nostalgiccloud> So, I got LXC setup with containers
[23:36] <nostalgiccloud> I can't get macvlan to work though
[23:36] <nostalgiccloud> This is on 16.04, they don't get an IP
[23:42] <twoj_> DHCP question, any takers?
[23:42] <blkadder> Depends on the question.
[23:43] <twoj_> lol!
[23:43] <twoj_> I have a static IP assigned to my private subnet, and it has been working for a while
[23:44] <twoj_> How all of a sudden 2nd day in a row, the DHCP is assigning it a dynamic IP as well!
[23:44] <blkadder> So your framing doesn't make a lot of sense.
[23:44] <Poster> is wireless involved?
[23:44] <twoj_> So the private subnet nic has to 2 addresses
[23:44] <twoj_> No wireless
[23:44] <twoj_> All hard wired
[23:45] <twoj_> the dynamic IP comes in as primary, and knocks off every PC from my subnet
[23:45] <Poster> if you turn off your dhcp service and release, do you still get a dynamic address?
[23:45] <blkadder> Why are you running dhcp if you have a static address?
[23:45] <twoj_> Running DHCP for other PCs on the subnet
[23:46] <blkadder> Please describe your network topology.
[23:47] <Poster> there may be something else handing out addresses that you are unaware of.  Try stopping the DHCP daemon on the known system and release/renew to see if you still get an address assigned.
[23:47] <twoj_> I did ip addr flush dev enp2s0f1  to knock the dynamic IP out, then ifdown, ifup
[23:47] <kenrin> Sounds like you need to remove the auto dhcp line from the networking file
[23:47] <blkadder> Yes, you shouldn't be running dhcp on the machine you don't want dhcp addresses assigned to.
[23:48] <Poster> I think he's referring to a DHCP reservation
[23:48] <blkadder> That's what is unclear...
[23:48] <blkadder> I am not certain what is assigning what to where. :-)
[23:49] <blkadder> "The dynamic IP comes in as primary..." - where?
[23:49] <twoj_> This clears it up, but it comes back.   I even added 	hardware ethernet a0:36:9f:bc:XXXXX; 	deny booting; block  to dhcpd.conf   and it still comes back
[23:49] <blkadder> Comes back where?
[23:49] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: LXC or LXD?
[23:50] <blkadder> You stated that this dynamic address is being assigned and knocking off all of your PCs?
[23:50] <twoj_> dynamic ip comes back assigned to the nic.  I'll explain.....
[23:50] <blkadder> k
[23:50] <kenrin> That doesn't make sense,  but give us a paste of /etc/network/interfaces
[23:50] <twoj_> OK,  lets call my ubuntu with DHCP machine XX.
[23:51] <twoj_> XX has DHCP running on it with 2 nics,   NIC A public with connection to internet,  NIC B private subnet.   Both NICs are configured with static IPs
[23:52] <twoj_> NIC B is the one exposed to the private subnet,  and through this NIC DHCP serves up addresses to PC connected to this subnet.
[23:53] <twoj_> NIC B even though is set to be static, all of a sudden is getting assigned a dynamic IP like other PCs on the subnet.   I can not have  it to happen, since it is also DNS/Gateway nic/IP
[23:53] <Poster> when you say NIC B is configured with static IPs, are you defining all IP information in /etc/network/interfaces or is it a reserved address in a DHCP reservation?
[23:54] <blkadder> So what changed?
[23:55] <blkadder> This was all working until when?
[23:55] <twoj_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24985097/
[23:55] <twoj_> yesterday
[23:55] <Poster> is there a dhclient process running on NIC B?
[23:58] <twoj_> here is the ip address dump:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/24985108/
[23:58] <twoj_> Yes, there is DHCP on NIC B
[23:58] <twoj_> NIC B - subnet
[23:59] <twoj_> in IP Address dump, look at entry #5 enp2s0f1
[23:59] <blkadder> Server and client are different
[23:59] <twoj_> >>Server and client are different ?????
[23:59] <blkadder> You should have a DHCP server running for NIC B, but not client if I am understanding your issue.