| twoj__ | Anybody have a good idea how to reset a 'frozen' session? I'm running TeamViewer to one account/desktop and that session is frozen, where I get X for cursor | 01:01 |
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| twoj__ | However in second session I can log in via RSH and get console | 01:02 |
| twoj__ | No process is really pegging the CPU or memory? | 01:02 |
| twoj__ | Hello.... anybody free? | 01:06 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers! | 05:48 |
| duflu | Hello oSoMoN | 05:52 |
| duflu | Hmm, curious how many Gnome Tweaks don't actually work... | 05:52 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu, good afternoon! | 05:53 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:34 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks | 07:01 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 07:01 |
| seb128 | hey duflu didrocks desktopers | 07:02 |
| didrocks | re seb128 | 07:03 |
| duflu | lo seb128 | 07:03 |
| duflu | hi seb128 | 07:03 |
| seb128 | duflu, how are you? having a good friday? ready for the w.e? | 07:04 |
| duflu | seb128: More VAAPI debugging. Not fun. And I'm not sure about being ready for the weekend :) How are you? | 07:06 |
| seb128 | I had a good 7 hours sleep, feeling good | 07:07 |
| seb128 | let's see what friday brings now | 07:07 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks, seb128 | 07:26 |
| didrocks | joyeux vendredi oSoMoN | 07:27 |
| oSoMoN | :) | 07:27 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, I’m reconsidering the move to a classic snap for LO, thinking it’s not such a good idea after all. Built a strict snap with the desktop-gtk3 launcher, and that fixes most of the known issues \o/ | 07:32 |
| oSoMoN | only bug #1665106 requires a patch, but it’s trivial, and I’ll see if I can upstream it, given how similar it is to https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/28a03248b1d1649e157b788e43dfe8326f165379 | 07:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1665106 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[Snap] Ctrl+click on a link doesn't open the link" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1665106 | 07:32 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks, bon vendredi ! | 07:33 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, oh, nice | 07:33 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, oh, right, we also have a fake xdg-open calling a dbus method, only it's under /usr/local/bin/xdg-open for us | 07:34 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: I'm opening a donation page for the launcher ;) | 07:35 |
| seb128 | lol | 07:35 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, yep, so the patch looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24987313/ | 07:36 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, looks good, the other alternative would be to tell them to call "xdg-open" rather than "/usr/bin/xdg-open" | 07:36 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, will the donations pay for all those extra hours you put into it? ;) | 07:36 |
| seb128 | so local versions take over | 07:37 |
| seb128 | including the snap one | 07:37 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: hem, "funds repartitions need to be decided and voted on" :p | 07:37 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, yes that’s another option, I’ll see what upstream prefers | 07:38 |
| didrocks | hum | 07:38 |
| didrocks | /usr/local/bin was in $PATH | 07:38 |
| didrocks | then removed by upstream | 07:38 |
| didrocks | but ogra told he would reinclude it IIRC | 07:38 |
| didrocks | (some months ago) | 07:38 |
| seb128 | that's a snap issue to be resolved yeah | 07:39 |
| seb128 | I was talking about the libreoffice side | 07:39 |
| didrocks | that was in the snap-confine related change IIRC (the move to snap run) | 07:39 |
| andyrock | good morning | 07:40 |
| oSoMoN | buon giorno andyrock | 07:41 |
| seb128 | hey andyrock, happy friday! | 07:41 |
| didrocks | hey andyrock | 07:42 |
| oSoMoN | tjaalton, when do you think llvm-toolchain-4.0 will migrate to xenial-updates? I’ve tested a build of chromium-browser (dev branch) with clang-4.0 from -proposed, and that works well | 07:43 |
| tjaalton | oSoMoN: along with the rest of the 16.04.3 hwe stack | 07:44 |
| tjaalton | next month | 07:44 |
| tjaalton | best guess | 07:44 |
| oSoMoN | good, looking forward to it | 07:44 |
| ogra_ | didrocks, it should be in the launchers afaik ... | 07:46 |
| ogra_ | also ... we moved xdg-open inside core to a sane path | 07:46 |
| didrocks | ogra_: changing PATH to a system one? | 07:46 |
| didrocks | I don't understand why the PATH was removed without warning btw | 07:46 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 07:46 |
| didrocks | it's a behavior change | 07:46 |
| didrocks | and core 16 was already released | 07:46 |
| didrocks | (the fact that it was independent of snapd was requested by the snap team btw when designed) | 07:47 |
| oSoMoN | ogra_, what do you mean by a sane path? it's currently /usr/local/bin/xdg-open, right? is this going to change? | 07:47 |
| ogra_ | https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/35/files | 07:47 |
| ogra_ | nothing changed PATH though ... the in-core xdg-open was just moved around so the PATH hack wouldnt be needed anymore | 07:48 |
| oSoMoN | oh! that means I can drop my LO snap patch then, that’s good \o/ | 07:48 |
| ogra_ | yeah :) | 07:48 |
| oSoMoN | ogra_, when is that landing in a snap store near me? | 07:49 |
| ogra_ | now ... thats a merge to master though | 07:49 |
| ogra_ | not sure if thats already in a relese | 07:49 |
| ogra_ | i would guess with the next stable core snap ... mvo should know when that happens | 07:49 |
| oSoMoN | good, I’ll ask mvo | 07:49 |
| oSoMoN | hrm, he doesn't appear to be around | 07:50 |
| ogra_ | he sits next to me ... one sec | 07:51 |
| oSoMoN | heh, even better :) | 07:51 |
| ogra_ | he says next week | 07:51 |
| oSoMoN | excellent, say hi for me btw | 07:51 |
| Laney | hi, happy friday! | 08:02 |
| pitti | happy Friday to you too! | 08:02 |
| didrocks | hey Laney! morning pitti | 08:03 |
| Laney | ah, pitti, a nice Friday treat! | 08:03 |
| Laney | how's it going? | 08:03 |
| Laney | hey didrocks, how are you? | 08:04 |
| didrocks | Laney: good, thanks! Yourself? | 08:04 |
| Laney | didrocks: good! | 08:07 |
| Laney | off on holiday next week ;-) | 08:08 |
| didrocks | nice! :) | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:10 |
| seb128 | oh, off next week, any nice plan ? | 08:10 |
| seb128 | going to surf? ;-) | 08:11 |
| Laney | seb128: I'm grrrrrrrrrrrrreat, what about you? | 08:16 |
| Laney | maybe, it is near a surfing place | 08:16 |
| seb128 | Laney, I'm great as well, just got a nice cappuccino :-) | 08:41 |
| seb128 | there is a new coffee place that opened just next street | 08:41 |
| seb128 | easy walk to get some coffee to go, it's nice | 08:42 |
| willcooke | morning all | 08:48 |
| willcooke | broken down train today \o/ | 08:48 |
| * willcooke also has an ethernet cable today | 08:49 | |
| flexiondotorg | tintou Hi | 08:49 |
| flexiondotorg | didrocks Morning | 08:49 |
| flexiondotorg | didrocks Have you seen any reports about desktop-gtk3 snaps not using localisation? | 08:50 |
| didrocks | good morning flexiondotorg | 08:50 |
| didrocks | flexiondotorg: I didn't, but if it's related to gettext, we know the issue and nothing that desktop-gtk3 can fix | 08:50 |
| flexiondotorg | OK. related to gettext how? Bug? | 08:51 |
| flexiondotorg | Anything an application author can work around? | 08:51 |
| didrocks | gettext doesn't let you using relocatable path | 08:51 |
| didrocks | it's based on --prefix | 08:51 |
| flexiondotorg | Oooh | 08:51 |
| didrocks | so, you can --prefix=/snap/<snap_name>/current | 08:51 |
| didrocks | we raised that multiple times on the ML | 08:51 |
| flexiondotorg | Right, I remember now. | 08:52 |
| didrocks | apparently, this path is supposed to be stay stable ^ | 08:52 |
| flexiondotorg | I've used that myself. | 08:52 |
| didrocks | stay* | 08:52 |
| flexiondotorg | I'm sat with the elementary guys. | 08:52 |
| flexiondotorg | They've bumped into this. | 08:52 |
| didrocks | I hope it's cross-distro, we were told that shouldn't change | 08:52 |
| didrocks | and don't have any other way to make it work | 08:52 |
| flexiondotorg | didrocks Well, seem to be consistent on GNOME, Unity, MATE and Pantheon so far. I'll check with the KDE guys. | 08:56 |
| robert_ancell | Laney, great blog post! | 09:21 |
| robert_ancell | Sorry for ignoring everyone in here this week, been crazy busy here | 09:21 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey | 09:23 |
| seb128 | good decisions? | 09:24 |
| seb128 | what are the news on the desktop side | 09:24 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, we have a title field from snapd, so snaps should start looking nicer | 09:30 |
| robert_ancell | We have a plan for the license field to pass through, though we need to wait for support from the store | 09:30 |
| robert_ancell | We've fixed a bunch of small issues that block us from having Snap support in Fedora. These are mostly solved so just tidying up loose ends. | 09:31 |
| robert_ancell | KDE Discover is now using snapd-qt, and the MATE Software Botique is using snapd-glib GIR bindings. These shook out some bugs in snapd-glib. | 09:31 |
| seb128 | nice | 09:32 |
| robert_ancell | We are all in agreement that snapd / store should return translated fields, though no ETA for it | 09:32 |
| robert_ancell | We have a plan to get basic AppStream information through the store and snapd so G-S etc can show things better. | 09:32 |
| robert_ancell | We'll make a snapcraft plugin to pull out that data and populate the Snap YAML - so it should be easier to snap existing projects | 09:33 |
| Laney | hey robert_ancell | 09:33 |
| Laney | thanks! | 09:33 |
| Laney | a summary mail next week would be nice ;-) | 09:34 |
| robert_ancell | We have a plan to make an snap interfaces tool that will be shipped as a Snap (i.e. available for all systems) and will be linked to from G-S and/or G-C-C. It's a highly questionable UI so there will be ongoing discussions I'm sure... | 09:34 |
| robert_ancell | Laney, yep, will do | 09:34 |
| robert_ancell | We have a plan to install/remove snaps on a GUI without a store login, which is awaiting confirmation by the Snappy designer | 09:35 |
| jamesh | willcooke: do you know if xdg-desktop-portal issues have been discussed at the sprint? (allowing per-user bind mounts) | 09:40 |
| willcooke | jamesh, not yet I'm afraid. | 09:41 |
| willcooke | I'll try and grab m_vo later on and see if he's got any thoughts | 09:41 |
| jamesh | willcooke: the main things I'd want are an agreement that snapd should switch to per-user per-snap mount namespaces, and a basic sketch of how they should be managed. | 09:42 |
| jamesh | willcooke: with that, it we might be able to help with the implementation | 09:43 |
| willcooke | jamesh, ack, thanls | 09:43 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: gnome-software/zesty was just pushed to updates and got stuck in phased-updates again: https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/f4d12cec512c23a979e3ccd1f0dc94fd8b406007 | 10:52 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, yeah, I saw :( | 10:53 |
| jbicha | anyway, for next week :| | 10:53 |
| robert_ancell | oh weird. An icon issue. | 10:54 |
| robert_ancell | I wonder if that's always existed | 10:54 |
| robert_ancell | Perhaps there's an out of memory issue and I'm not checking for the buffer being NULL | 10:55 |
| jbicha | I had someone from Azerbaijan tell me the polkit message was not Azerbaijani, it was Turkish | 10:56 |
| Laney | I think the problem we saw before is that it was picking the last message from the file | 10:58 |
| Laney | that was in Fedora - in Ubuntu we had some patch somewhere (awesome level of recall) that made the translations work | 10:59 |
| robert_ancell | Laney, I've been looking through the Polkit docs and existing programs and still scratching my head how the locale is supposed to work there | 11:10 |
| robert_ancell | It either "just works" for other prompts or they aren't currently translated | 11:10 |
| Laney | arhghghaoih | 11:19 |
| Laney | rob taB TAB TAB T | 11:19 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, hi, fun fact about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1700692 -- it built on trusty ;) | 12:29 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1700692 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "FTBFS on i386: dbaccess_RowSetClones unit test segfaults" [Critical,New] | 12:29 |
| oSoMoN | ricotz, interesting, do you know what kernel was used for the build? | 13:09 |
| oSoMoN | jbicha, btw did you see my comments on bug #1700692 ? | 13:09 |
| ubot5 | bug 1700692 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "FTBFS on i386: dbaccess_RowSetClones unit test segfaults" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1700692 | 13:09 |
| Laney | bah | 13:15 |
| Laney | this gst <-> packagekit stuff is annoying | 13:15 |
| Laney | gstreamer1.0-packagekit feeds different fields into the backend compared to sessioninstaller | 13:15 |
| * Laney cries at ximion | 13:16 | |
| ximion | Laney: is that a problem? as long as packagekitd does the right thing, it shouldn't be an issue... | 13:16 |
| Laney | it ends up in that regex of doom | 13:17 |
| ximion | or is the gstreamer plugin itself also broken? | 13:17 |
| ximion | yeah, urgh... | 13:17 |
| Laney | which isn't that tolerant | 13:17 |
| Laney | although in this case it's actually nicer | 13:17 |
| Laney | because gst-packagekit gives you "64bit" so we are able to use that to filter out some results | 13:17 |
| ximion | I wonder whether using libappstream + the new components in there would make some sense | 13:20 |
| ximion | (bypassing PKs own detection) | 13:20 |
| ximion | alternatively, making the regex more tolerant or using string operations instead might make sense | 13:20 |
| Laney | we need to specify AS so that type=codec is good enough to do this | 13:22 |
| Laney | have a look at apt show gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad - those caps are the things it searches on | 13:23 |
| jbicha | oSoMoN: could you ask someone that can update the LP builders about that then? | 13:24 |
| jbicha | oh, that's the stack clash regression | 13:25 |
| jbicha | maybe next week then | 13:25 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, of course 4.4.0-81 like all builders ;) | 13:30 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, maybe there is even another factor like glibc, but I guess the kernel is still the culprit after all | 13:30 |
| jbicha | ricotz: yes, there's a known regression affecting java | 13:31 |
| ricotz | jbicha, I know, surprisingly a build on trusty/i386 succeeded | 13:32 |
| flexiondotorg | seb128 didrocks Can you point me at the yaml for the current GNOME platform snap? | 15:55 |
| flexiondotorg | ANd an example application snapcraft.yaml that uses it please? | 15:55 |
| seb128 | flexiondotorg, ken has been working on that but | 15:56 |
| seb128 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/snap-gnome-3-24/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml | 15:56 |
| seb128 | and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/gedit/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml | 15:57 |
| didrocks | and using it is like any other traditional app using the launcher: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/ghex-snap-gnome-3-24/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml | 15:57 |
| didrocks | hum, ken is adding another path for gsettings: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/gedit/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml#L44 | 15:59 |
| oSoMoN | chrisccoulson, hey, have you had a chance to test chromium-browser 59.0.3071.109 in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages ? | 15:59 |
| * didrocks looks at the launcher, we should probably factor that in | 15:59 | |
| didrocks | GS_SCHEMA_DIR=$XDG_DATA_HOME/glib-2.0/schemas | 15:59 |
| didrocks | I bet the additional export doesn't work ^ | 16:00 |
| didrocks | kenvandine[m][m]: FYI ^ | 16:00 |
| flexiondotorg | seb128 didrocks Thanks! Sat here with elementary. | 16:00 |
| seb128 | are they snapping things? | 16:00 |
| flexiondotorg | seb128 Yes. | 16:09 |
| flexiondotorg | ANd we are now looking at using a content snap for their SDK. | 16:09 |
| kenvandine | seb128, problems with the gedit snap? | 16:33 |
| * oSoMoN ⒺⓄⓌ | 16:39 | |
| oSoMoN | have a great week-end everyone! | 16:39 |
| andyrock | have a nice we :D | 17:10 |
| seb128 | have a nice w.e everyone | 17:16 |
| seb128 | & good holidays Laney | 17:16 |
| Laney | laters seb128! | 17:16 |
| Laney | happy week to you | 17:16 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, not that I know, flexiondotorg was asking for an example for snap using the platform | 17:16 |
| kenvandine | seb128, ok | 17:16 |
| seb128 | Didier was pointing something, maybe ask him on monday if you don't understand what he meant | 17:17 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure what was the issue | 17:17 |
| kenvandine | it was working fine | 17:17 |
| kenvandine | yeah, saw that but didn't understand | 17:17 |
| seb128 | I think he just pointed out that your env hack was unrequired/probably not doing anythin | 17:17 |
| kenvandine | it was needed :) | 17:17 |
| seb128 | like the desktop helper set that | 17:17 |
| seb128 | or should set | 17:17 |
| seb128 | or override your def | 17:17 |
| seb128 | well then the launcher should be fixe | 17:17 |
| seb128 | d | 17:17 |
| kenvandine | desktop helper probably would be better | 17:17 |
| seb128 | yes | 17:17 |
| seb128 | that's probably what he meant | 17:18 |
| seb128 | that's supposed to work without the hack | 17:18 |
| seb128 | so if that's needed there is a bug in the helper we should look at | 17:18 |
| Laney | night! see you in a week! | 17:23 |
| Laney | break all the things | 17:23 |
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| kenvandine | sarnold, any updates on the gdm3 security review? | 20:04 |
| twoj__ | Hello, I have a unity desktop question... any takers? | 22:38 |
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| sarnold | hey kenvandine, still in progress. I gotta say I wish we were sticking with lightdm. | 23:46 |
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