[00:00] <twoj_> I do not believe I have client running on NIC B,  but how do I check?
[00:00] <Poster> ps aux | grep -e enp2s0f1 -e dhclient
[00:00] <twoj_> Just server
[00:01] <blkadder> Please send us your dhclient.conf
[00:04] <twoj_> -e dhclient dump:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/24985136/
[00:05] <nostalgiccloud> So
[00:05] <nostalgiccloud> I have no solution to my LVM problem yet
[00:06] <Poster> pid 18769 18859 have been running for 2 days
[00:06] <twoj_> dhcpd.conf  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24985156/
[00:06] <Poster> those if you kill them your problem will likely go away
[00:06] <twoj_> how do I make them stop permanently?
[00:06] <Poster> sudo kill 18769 18859
[00:07] <nostalgiccloud> Anyone know how to use macvlan with LXC on ubuntu?
[00:08] <Poster> I suspect you had a shell open and were trying something with the dhclient and unknowningly launched processes in the background that caused enp2s0f1 to try and pull an address
[00:09] <slystone> Hi guys! I have to use Whatsapp for a join interview (I suppose they want to use a chat video on pc). What would you recommend under Ubuntu please?
[00:09] <slystone> *job interview
[00:11] <slystone> I have seen web.whatsapp.com, but it does not seem practical, it asks to scan a QR code with a phone. If the person uses Windows on PC or Mac, I'm f*****.
[00:11] <twoj_> >> caused enp2s0f1 to try and pull an address ;   so any permanent solution?  Or just kill the processes?
[00:12] <blkadder> Well your interfaces config looks correct so that should do it.
[00:12] <Poster> killing the processes should do it
[00:13] <Poster> given the absence of all the other parameters specified when brought up via system scripts it's very likely you launched them manually
[00:13] <blkadder> ^
[00:13] <blkadder> Or were trying to "fix" it and got yourself in more trouble. ;-)
[00:13] <Poster> a reboot would also get it
[00:15] <twoj_> etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf dump http://paste.ubuntu.com/24985184/
[00:19] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, ?
[00:19] <nostalgiccloud> can you possibly assist in this matter
[00:20] <alethurgy> ++
[00:20] <nostalgiccloud> oh, hey blkadder
[00:20] <nostalgiccloud> since you wanted to input earlier, want to help now?
[00:21] <nostalgiccloud> macvlan is not working with LXC on ubuntu server 16.04
[00:21] <blkadder> nostalgiccloud, Not really.
[00:21] <blkadder> I've never used either. :-)
[00:21] <blkadder> I could probably figure it out.
[00:21] <nostalgiccloud> hue
[00:23] <blkadder> nostalgiccloud, Which mode are you using for macvlan?
[00:24] <nostalgiccloud> what do you mean?
[00:24] <blkadder> Which of the 4 networking modes are you using?
[00:24] <nostalgiccloud> "    nictype: macvlan
[00:24] <nostalgiccloud>     parent: eth0
[00:24] <nostalgiccloud>     type: nic
[00:24] <nostalgiccloud> "
[00:25] <blkadder> Private, VEPA, Bridge, or Passthru
[00:25] <nostalgiccloud> No idea.
[00:25] <nostalgiccloud> Nothing I could find says I have to specify anything past macvlan
[00:25] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: are you using LXC or LXD?
[00:26] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, that's where the lines get blurred.
[00:26] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: how are you invoking your container?
[00:26] <nostalgiccloud> lxc
[00:26] <nacc> *starting
[00:26] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: `lxc-start` or `lxc start` (hyphen or space)
[00:26] <nostalgiccloud> lxc start
[00:26] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: ok, that's LXD
[00:27] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: note also, there is a LXC/LXD specific channel, #lxcontainers
[00:27] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: what is the error you are getting?
[00:28] <nostalgiccloud> no error, that's the issue
[00:28] <nostalgiccloud> The container has no network access
[00:30] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: `lxc profile show default` in a pastebin
[00:31] <nostalgiccloud> http://termbin.com/8q9t
  Thanks for help!  I'll keep eye out and see how it goes.
[00:33] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, welcome to my world of pain
[00:33] <twoj_> one more question....   Anybody have a good idea how to reset a 'frozen' session?  I'm running TeamViewer to one account/desktop and that session is frozen, where I get X for cursor
[00:34] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: ok, so eth0 is your host nic, do you have a dhcp server on the network eth0 is connected to?
[00:34] <twoj_> However in second session I can log in via RSH and get console
[00:35] <twoj_> I tried to reset the TeamViewer daemon, but the unity desktop is still frozen
[00:35] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, not that I'd know of.
[00:35] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, let me guess, copy /etc/network/interfaces to the container?
[00:36] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: then i'm not sure how you expect to get an IP in the container?
[00:36] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: macvlan puts your guest on the host's network
[00:36] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: they won't magically get an IP unless something gives them one (or, as you say, /e/n/i is configured for static networking)
[00:37] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: tbh, if you are just trying to get up to speed on lxd, doing macvlan makes it more difficult. Taking the default bridge is a better (easier) way to learn and the containers will have network by default.
[00:37] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, that is the biggest brainfart I've ever had
[00:37] <nostalgiccloud> I will just use bridged.
[00:37] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: i think that should just be a matter of `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lxd` and letting it setup the bridged newtork
[00:37] <nacc> *network
[00:38] <blkadder> LOL
[00:38] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: you may have already read this, but stgraber's blog is a good resource: https://stgraber.org/2016/10/27/network-management-with-lxd-2-3/
[00:38] <nacc> that article is a bit old, but there are more current ones
[00:38] <blkadder> Docs on macvlan are thin and most appear to be very docker-centric
[00:39] <nacc> blkadder: yeah, i think that was primary driving case (density of network traffic on a single system with 100s/1000s of containers)
[00:39] <nostalgiccloud> I had very little sleep last night
[00:40] <blkadder> nacc,  I see the use case for it, just wish it had more robust docs. :-)
[00:40] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, so excuse my brainfasts
[00:40] <nostalgiccloud> farts
[00:40] <blkadder> Because all of this network fiddling gets very complicated very fast.
[00:41] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, So correct me if I am wrong, I would use two bridged networks for my goal
[00:41] <nostalgiccloud> One has internet access, the other just holds my containers that don't need direct access
[00:45] <blkadder> If you create two networks (public and private) then you need to gateway the private to the public if it needs internet access.
[00:46] <wrkrcoop> anyone know where docker stores images in ubuntu?
[00:47] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, Here is a interesting one
[00:47] <nostalgiccloud> My container has a ip, a ipv6 ip but no ipv4
[00:50] <nostalgiccloud> Fixed it
[00:50] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, ty for your time helping me
[00:57] <twoj_>  Anybody have a good idea how to reset a 'frozen' session?  I'm running TeamViewer to one account/desktop and that session is frozen, where I get X for cursor
[00:57] <twoj_> However in second session I can log in via RSH and get console
[00:59] <twoj_> No process is really pegging the CPU or memory?
[00:59] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: sorry, was looking at some code
[01:00] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: were you able to get oing?
[01:00] <nostalgiccloud> yes
[01:00] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: cool
[01:01] <anomalyfox> Hello
[01:02] <anomalyfox> What are you up to? :p
[01:02] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, So now I need to assign it a static IP internally
[01:07] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, what is an appropriate method to backup containers
[01:18] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: static ip internally? if you are using the default lxdbr0, there is a dnsmasq you can config
[01:18] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: see that blog post
[01:18] <nostalgiccloud> the one I linked?
[01:18] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: backing up containers is sort of the opposite of the point :)
[01:19] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: https://stgraber.org/2016/10/27/network-management-with-lxd-2-3/
[01:19] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, containers with LXC are like Docker and disconnect the idea of the data and the container right?
[01:21] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: do you mean like data volumes in docker? im not sure im familar enough with docker to answer
[01:21] <nacc> docker and lxd containers are only similar in that they are both containers
[01:21] <nacc> docker is a process container
[01:21] <nacc> lxd is a system container
[01:22] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: its getting late for me (eod). #lxcontainers is probably the best place to keep asking your questions
[01:23] <nostalgiccloud> Ty
[01:26] <hackvana> Hi.  I'm running 14.04 and I'm a Ubuntu newbie but and old hand with Linux.  Once upon a time, a run level of 3 in /etc/inittab would start a Linux box and give you text consoles, and a run level of 5 would start X.  In 14.04, how can I stop X starting on boot (ie, the equivalent of setting runlevel to 3)?
[01:27] <nacc> hackvana: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpstartHowto#How_do_I_change_the_runlevel.3F
[01:28] <hackvana> Is it still done with runlevels?  Isn't it some kind of service that I can disable?
[01:29] <hackvana> (I'll go read the link)
[01:29] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: yw the above is my opinion, to be clear (docker v. lxd). But basically you backup containers in lxd like you'd back up VMs in other envs, imo. But I'm not sure if that exactly answers your qquestion, or what is considered state of the art
[01:29] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: https://github.com/lxc/lxd/blob/master/doc/backup.md
[01:30] <nacc> nostalgiccloud: this may also give you some ideas: https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/1304
[01:31] <hackvana> On my system, env DEFAULT_RUNLEVEL=2 (not 5).  How is X starting?
[01:31] <hackvana> (That link seems to be about runlevels, not about how service such as X are started.  Which upstart service is responsible for starting X?)
[01:33] <nacc> hackvana: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/243195 ?
[01:34] <nacc> hackvana: or boot into text mode? https://askubuntu.com/questions/16371/how-do-i-disable-x-at-boot-time-so-that-the-system-boots-in-text-mode
[01:34] <hackvana> Thanbks
[01:34] <nacc> hackvana: well, yhour analogy for runlevels is a sysv concept. they don't really mean anyting anymore (with upstart and systemd, which ave replaced sysv-init on ubuntu)
[01:35] <hackvana> I understand that.
[01:36] <hackvana> (Hence "once upon a time" and "Is it still done with runlevels?  Isn't it some kind of service that I can disable?")
[01:36] <hackvana> Now to work out how to add "text" to the kernel cmdline.  (The device is not a PC, and doesn't use grub)
[01:37] <kubunted> Surprises never end. Why has Kubuntu's preinstalled Firefox stopped providing URL suggestions for the previously visited sites...all of a sudden?
[01:37] <kubunted> why all of a sudden I have to type in full site address whereas before it was giving suggestions ? Explain the never ending bizzaro surprises.
[01:38] <akik> hackvana: the upstart services are defined in /etc/init
[01:39] <akik> hackvana: you can disable an upstart service by creating a "service.override" with content "manual"
[01:39] <hackvana> Thanks
[01:39] <hackvana> Is there a service associated with starting X?
[01:39] <akik> hackvana: it's probably lightdm
[01:40] <akik> hackvana: something *dm
[01:41] <hackvana> There's a /etc/init/lightdm.conf.  If I do this, will it stop lightdm from running?  echo manual > /etc/init/lightdm.override
[01:42] <akik> hackvana: yes
[01:43] <hackvana> Thanks!
[01:43] <vimar_> Hiu
[01:43] <akik> hackvana: what boot loader do you have?
[01:44] <hackvana> u-boot it seems (Odroid U3).
[01:45] <hackvana> The poor device only has 2G of RAM, and I want to run Xvnc, so not starting X-using-the-gfx-chip on boot will save heaps of RAM.
[01:46]  * hackvana is mindful of "unofficial derivatives: use your distro's support channel, not here", so I'm not going to ask odroid-specific questions here
[01:47] <JungleFever> can someone help me extend a partition? the drive already has 4 and it's the 1st so how can i do this without deleting the files ? :(
[01:50] <akik> JungleFever: shrinking and enlarging partitions is pretty slow
[01:50] <JungleFever> problem is i can't do either because there are 4 partitions already
[01:51] <JungleFever> and i don't know how to edit the linux.img i downloaded
[01:51] <akik> JungleFever: what do you mean 4?
[01:51] <akik> JungleFever: the limit is 4 primary partitions but you can have more if you create an extended partition as the fourth
[01:52] <JungleFever> but i am recovering from a linux.img
[01:52] <akik> JungleFever: then you can have logical partitions under the extended partition
[01:52] <JungleFever> so it's not me creating the partitions
[01:52] <akik> JungleFever: what is linux.img?
[01:52] <JungleFever> http://i.imgur.com/R8GbnM7.png
[01:53] <JungleFever> it's the image I'm recovering from, but i need to make the primary partition bigger
[01:53] <JungleFever> but i dont know how to edit the linux.img i downloaded, and when i write the .img to usb i am left with all that lost space
[01:54] <akik> JungleFever: there's almost no data in sdb4
[01:54] <akik> JungleFever: save the data somewhere else and create an extended partition in its place
[01:56] <JungleFever> ok let me give that a try
[02:07] <singer22> how you use encryption with deja dup?
[02:07] <singer22> backup
[02:08] <cncr04s> how are bots bypassing google captcha =/
[02:13] <limbo_> where?
[02:13] <limbo_> You can buy solved captchas.
[02:13] <JungleFever> akik:  it's not letting me extend the primary partition in gparted
[02:13] <JungleFever> i deleted the fat32 partition
[02:14] <akik> JungleFever: you need to move the partitions. you can not resize partition 1 if there's no space behind it
[02:15] <JungleFever> ok let me try this
[02:15] <JungleFever> i created a copy of partitioon 1
[02:15] <JungleFever> and made it partition 4
[02:15] <akik> JungleFever: gparted is a good partitioning program
[02:15] <JungleFever> how should i proceed now into making it the partition 1
[02:15] <brimestone> hey guys, I'm running ubuntu server 16.04 LTS and I'm having a bit of an issue with GoDaddy SSL certiticate
[02:15] <brimestone> how do i check which SSL is currently loaded by Apache2?
[02:16] <akik> JungleFever: i'm not following your thinking :)
[02:16] <JungleFever> it has boot flag on the partition
[02:16] <JungleFever> so does it matter which # the partition is?
[02:16] <akik> JungleFever: if you want to resize partition 1, you need to move partitions 2 and 3 so that 1 can grow
[02:16] <bumblefuzz> so my 4k monitor will only play content at 24fps
[02:16] <JungleFever> bumblefuzz:  which monitor model #?
[02:16] <bumblefuzz> in displaysit's an LG
[02:17] <JungleFever> cant do much without a model number
[02:17] <bumblefuzz> it's OLED55c7p
[02:17] <bumblefuzz> it's a tv
[02:17] <bumblefuzz> but the only option in displays is 24 fps
[02:17] <bumblefuzz> it's very laggy onscreen
[02:18] <JungleFever> says 120hz but i believe this is interpolated? unless the panel is really nice :D
[02:18] <JungleFever> hrmm, no driver file to install?
[02:19] <bumblefuzz> I have no idea
[02:20] <brimestone> hey guys, I'm running ubuntu server 16.04 LTS and I'm having a bit of an issue with GoDaddy SSL certiticate
[02:20] <JungleFever> maybe it needs software on the website for interpolation? im not sure either, really unfamiliar with this panel :(
[02:20] <JungleFever> sorry
[02:20] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: Where did this linux.img come from?
[02:20] <JungleFever> Jordan_U:  the website I bought it from :P
[02:20] <bumblefuzz> I'd even take 60hz
[02:20] <bumblefuzz> anything but 24
[02:21] <bumblefuzz> no idea why ubuntu won't give me any other option
[02:21] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: Why did you buy an image file, and what website would that be?
[02:21] <JungleFever> getpimp.org
[02:21] <JungleFever> doesn't really matter the file, why i bought it, or the website though. my problem remains the same
[02:21] <JungleFever> gparted just crashed me on me too with a libparted error :( :((((
[02:22] <akik> JungleFever: ok so it has nothing to do with ubuntu
[02:22] <JungleFever> yeah im on ubuntu right now :D akik
[02:22] <JungleFever> im trying to do this on ubuntu
[02:22] <JungleFever> but the linux.img i am burning is not ubuntu
[02:27] <JungleFever> hrmmm akik  better question... is there way to edit the .img contents and how it formats a disk?
[02:30] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: The ".img" file just contains exactly the bytes that the disk should contain, and the tools that write the image to the disk simply copy the contents from the file to the disk.
[02:31] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: Have you tried booting from and using the resulting disk to confirm that you need to do anything at all?
[02:31] <JungleFever> I can not upgrade the kernel with the size it's partitioning to
[02:31] <JungleFever> which is why i need to expand that partition
[02:31] <JungleFever> i couldn't get all my packages installed
[02:32] <JungleFever> just 2.5gb is a hot mess and 25gb free space just sitting there
[02:32] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: OK. What happens when you use GParted to move sdb4 to the end of the drive?
[02:33] <JungleFever> well i copied part1 and made it part4, deleted part1 and tried to apply
[02:33] <JungleFever> got some libparted errors during writing and i had to stop
[02:33] <JungleFever> now i'm re-imaging the USB drive to try gparted again
[02:33] <JungleFever> :(
[02:33] <JungleFever> 12minute wait, try again, problem, boom, rinse repeat and hours go by me trying to fix small problem for noob :((((
[02:36] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: Copying part1 and making it part4 doesn't make sense . Move sdb4 to the end of the drive so that there is no (or 1 MiB or some other small value) free space after it. Then move sdb3 to be just before sdb4, again no free space following it. Then do the same for sdb2. Then resize sdb1.
[02:37] <JungleFever> ill have to look at gparted again
[02:37] <JungleFever> i couldn't really do it the way you said or i missed an option
[02:37] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: If all of that happens without GParted giving you any errors, then you've recieved as much help as we can give you here and you'll have to hope that it still boots. If it doesn't still boot, you'll have to ask pimp's support. If you do that exactly as I said and GParted gives you errors, then I would suspect that your drive is failing (hardware problem).
[02:38] <lefyqqqq> hi, quick help anyone? i'm trying to write an .img file (raspbian) to a micro SD card, and startup disk creator, unetbootin, and dd are all not working
[02:39] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: Note that there was no deleting or renumbering or copying involved in my insructions (though GParted will do some of those things in the background for you to achieve the result of moving partitions).
[02:40] <Jordan_U> lefyqqqq: What dd command did you use? What problem did you have? If there was an error message, please pastebin the exact and complete output.
[02:41] <lefyqqqq> Jordan_U: thanks! I will get that to you right now
[02:41] <lefyqqqq> Jordan_U: sudo dd bs=4M if=/home/user/Desktop/raspi/raspi0.img of=/dev/sdb1 && sync
[02:41] <nostalgiccloud> So I know ZFS is supported on Ubuntu for data storage
[02:42] <nostalgiccloud> I was wondering, is there any downside to using a file based VDEV
[02:42] <nostalgiccloud> I have LVM setup for my disks in RAID1
[02:42] <lefyqqqq> Jordan_U: two error messages usually occur, either "operation not permitted" or "read only file system"
[02:43] <emsid> my sound has disappeared on 17.04 in vm. sound settings shows volume turned to 0%, and nothing is listed in output tab, and test sound button doesnt work
[02:43] <emsid> can anyone help me? thank you
[02:45] <Jordan_U> lefyqqqq: First, make sure that no partitions on sdb are mounted currently "mount | grep sdb". If any are, unmount them before continuing. Then, use of=/dev/sdb, not of=/dev/sdb1 . You need to write the image to the whole drive, not to one partition. Also, remember that dd is nicknamed "Disk Destroyer" for a reason. Make absolutely sure that /dev/sdb is actually the drive whose contents you want to
[02:45] <Jordan_U> completely overwrite with this image, losing all existing data on the drive.
[02:47] <lefyqqqq> Jordan_U: thanks! so, I tried sdb as well and also received the "read only file system" error. i unmounted using gui but will try the command too. i don't mind messing with this micro SD, it was $8 only ^.^
[02:47] <lefyqqqq> Jordan_U: i'm thinking maybe the San Disk micro sd to USB adapter i'm using might be "write protected"????
[02:47] <qis> Can you recommend a list of settings useful for ubuntu server/development machines? Did I miss something important? https://github.com/qis/test/blob/master/ubuntu.md
[02:47] <hanasaki> how do I check out the bluetooth usb adapter ?
[02:48] <Jordan_U> lefyqqqq: I don't think that the adaptor is write protected, but the write protect switch on the SD card might be flipped.
[02:49] <Jordan_U> lefyqqqq: I'm not worried about your $8 SD card either, I'm worried that you'll accidentally wipe your internal hard drive instead.
[02:50] <lefyqqqq> Jordan_U: thank you also for thinking of my poor little HDD, but fortunately this is a clean install of lubuntu ^.^ i don't even care if it bricks it hahaha. a good problem to have
[02:50] <lefyqqqq> Jordan_U: how can I find where to turn off write protect?
[02:53] <lefyqqqq> Jordan_U: oh god is it a physical tab on with a lock painted on it on the side of my sd card adapter??
[02:56] <lefyqqqq> Jordan_U: problem solved.... the write protect switch was physically switched on
[02:56] <lefyqqqq> Jordan_U: thank you so much :)
[02:57] <Jordan_U> lefyqqqq: You're welcome :)
[03:04] <EleanorEllis> Is LXDE lighter weight than XFCE
[03:05] <xangua> Y
[03:06] <kubunted> Where is the fix for CVE-2017-9445 ? Why is it not showing in the Updates?
[03:08] <Jordan_U> kubunted: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[03:08] <kubunted> The latest
[03:08] <kubunted> In fact I've never got any updates since the install...rather weird, since there are always updates in other distros
[03:09] <Jordan_U> kubunted: Please pastebin the output of "apt policy systemd".
[03:09] <Jordan_U> kubunted: Please pastebin the output of "sudo apt update" also.
[03:10] <kubunted> Jordan_U: https://pastebin.com/Xb347wM0
[03:11] <kubunted> Jordan_U: the last output is very long...still working
[03:12] <Jordan_U> kubunted: It looks like you're running Ubuntu 16.10 rather than 17.04, which is the latest, but that's not a problem.
[03:13] <kubunted> Jordan_U: it's Kubuntu, maybe why?
[03:13] <kubunted> I forgot the number just grabbed what was the latest
[03:13] <Jordan_U> kubunted: No. Kubuntu is released at the exact same time as Ubuntu (they share the same repositories as they're just different flavors).
[03:14] <kubunted> Jordan_U: so what abot the evil dns fix? is it available?
[03:15] <Jordan_U> kubunted: It presumably will be once "sudo apt update" has completed.
[03:16] <kubunted> Jordan_U: ok, thanx
[03:16] <Jordan_U> kubunted: Though it looks like there are already updates available that haven't been installed. To check for new updates you can use "sudo apt update". To then install any new updates you can use "sudo apt upgrade".
[03:17] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: Have you been able to try my instructions yet?
[03:17] <kubunted> Jordan_U: I was clicking on that GUI thingy...Discover i think
[03:18] <kubunted> yeah now it works
[03:18] <kubunted> been in a hurry forgot to update
[03:18] <JungleFever> Jordan_U: trying as we speak
[03:18] <EleanorEllis> Would LXDE be a lighter weight faster environment than XFCE? I am running Ubuntu Studio on an old laptop with only 8GB of RAM and it slows down a lot. I am wondering if I could improve things by changing to LXDE. I do some video and audio editing and processing plus recording and photograph editing, plus desktop publishing
[03:19] <kubunted> the whole design where init is affected by DNS is bizzare...why reinvent the wheel? If it ain't broken they'll fix till it is
[03:20] <Jordan_U> EleanorEllis: With 8GB of RAM I would expect that any slowdown is related to your apps using too much RAM, not your DE. Unless a bug is causing your DE to use much more resources than it should, its usage should basically be a drop in the bucket compared to video editing.
[03:21] <JungleFever> do i ignore operation at boot warnings?
[03:21] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: If you are seeing an error message please pastebin the compelte message or post a screenshot of it.
[03:22] <kubunted> all these new inits ( systemd , upstart ) are ridiculously overcomplicated unneccessary for end user
[03:22] <Jordan_U> !ot | kubunted
[03:22] <kubunted> ok :)
[03:23] <EleanorEllis> Jordan_U: Thanks. For example I have a problem when I my partner is watching video on one screen and I and looking up information in multiple browser windows.
[03:24] <JungleFever> ok trying now
[03:24] <JungleFever> just applied operations
[04:14] <blackdalek> how do I get ieee1394 working in Xenial? Do I need to install something extra to make it work?
[04:26] <bray90820_> How would I run sudo pip install
[04:27] <blackdalek> how do I make firewire work in xenial (for purposes of capturing DV from camcorder) ?
[04:27] <cfhowlett> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FireWire  blackdalek
[04:28] <EleanorEllis> blackdalek: If your machine doesn't have an iee1394 port then you will need to buy an adapter. You can get one that converts to USB.
[04:29] <blackdalek> EleanorEllis, the machine has an ieee 1394 port built in. Just trying to make it work ;)
[04:33] <JungleFever> i think i give up
[04:33] <JungleFever> tried 3 times and i just get "Input/outpurt error during read on /dev/sdb"
[04:33] <JungleFever> "Libparted Bug Found!"
[04:33] <JungleFever> :(
[04:49] <akiva-thinkpad> hey all, trying to install 17.04 with btrfs. what should my partitions look like?
[04:51] <akiva-thinkpad> do all i need is a / mount and a swap? or do i need to make a partition for /boot?
[05:13] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: "Input/outpurt error during read on /dev/sdb" would imply a hardware failure. Check the drive's S.M.A.R.T. status. Check your cables. check dmesg.
[05:13] <Jordan_U> JungleFever: But most likely, you'll need to buy a new drive as that one is failing.
[05:18] <SchrodingersScat> consult a priest :(
[06:13] <vlt> alexas: From live CD `cryptsetup luksOpen <device> <label>`; `mount /dev/mapper/<label> /mnt/somwhere`, `cd /mnt/somewhere; `mount -o bind /dev dev`; `mount -o /proc proc`; `mount -o bind /sys sys`; `chroot .`; CRYPTSETUP=Y update-initramfs -c`. I don’t remember exactly if it’s "-c" to replace the current initramfs.
[06:22] <swensson> Is it possible to make pure-ftpd "access" the ~/ (the whole system)?
[06:22] <Ben64> ~/ isn't the whole system
[06:22] <Ben64> and you should really consider using sftp instead
[06:24] <_cc> ftpd usually has a configuration option for setting the root directory, if it's set to / you could potentially access most if not all of the system
[06:25] <_cc> however I think it's very unwise setup
[06:25] <swensson> Well I need one sysadmin account :P
[06:26] <_cc> Isn't ssh access better in every aspect?
[06:26] <Ben64> yes
[06:27] <swensson> Yeah it's true, but this user can't use ssh, only ftp. And he needs to be able to control every file
[06:27] <Ben64> so give them sftp access
[06:27] <Ben64> it's so much better than ftp
[06:27] <swensson> it's ftps
[06:27] <Ben64> still bad
[06:29] <_cc> just curious, why can't he use ssh?
[06:30] <swensson> Locked down windows machine, can't install anything, only use the existing "apps" and filezilla is installed ;P And it's virtual users so it's not possible to give the account ssh access
[06:31] <Ben64> filezilla can use sftp
[06:32] <swensson> Im using ftps
[06:32] <Ben64> again, that's not a good choice
[06:32] <swensson> It's ftp explicit TLS
[06:32] <swensson> Isn't that good? :O
[06:32] <Ben64> once more, no
[06:33] <swensson> What would be a better option for a secure ftp then? :O
[06:33] <Ben64> sftp
[06:34] <swensson> Weird, I got a requirment that it had to be FTPS :S...
[06:38] <wedgie> from whom? do they understand the difference or were they pulling words out of their hat?
[06:38] <Flannel> swensson: filezilla can do ftps
[06:39] <swensson> Flannel I know, that's what I'm doing
[06:39] <Flannel> swensson: and, as awful as it is, you /can/ configure access to the entire system via ftp
[06:40] <SchrodingersScat> filezilla can also do sftp
[06:41] <swensson> well right now Im trying to give a user specific access with setfacl -m g:Guests:wx /home/test/Uploads ... But it needs to be g:Guest:rwx and I don't want to give read access:O
[06:41] <Flannel> You want to give write access but not read access?
[06:41] <Ben64> you know what makes permissions much easier? using ssh...
[06:41] <swensson> Yeah, he should only be able to upload, not view anything
[06:41] <Flannel> Ben64: give it up.  That has nothing to do with permissions issues anyway.
[06:42] <Ben64> ftp is crap though
[06:42] <Flannel> Ben64: That's a nice opinion, but not relevant at all.
[06:42] <Ben64> kind of is
[06:42] <Flannel> Ben64: When helping, be helpful.  You're free to just stop talking.
[06:43] <Ben64> i will, thanks.
[06:45] <SchrodingersScat> Flannel: that's common, wanting a upload portal that doesn't leak other people's contributions.  Nextcloud can do this now :D
[06:48] <_cc> swensson: also you should remove "list" permission from the said user
[06:48] <_cc> he could still list the files even if he can't *read* them
[06:49] <_cc> not sure how that's administering anything, though
[06:49] <spupy> is there a DE/WM-agnostic utility that can pop up a customizable menu at the mouse cursor that contains user-specified commands? Something like openbox/fluxbox' desktop menu?
[07:13] <swensson> "setfacl -m g:guests:rwx /var/www/" flag -m: invalid parameter close to character 3 ...Im following the guide on ubuntus documentation :S
[07:13] <anddam> I noticed a missing firmware notice while updating packages so I got kbl_dmc driver for my KabyLake from 01.org, I noticed there are GUC and HUC drivers. While I'm at it should I be installing those as well?
[07:13] <anddam> Iḿ on Xenial
[07:15] <goonxalo> alguien que hable español?
[07:15] <thewillo> Man having trouble getting my complex uefi firmware to boot ubuntu
[07:15] <thewillo> I finally got to what I remember when I saw it, was the menu you get when you boot live cd in UEFI install mode
[07:15] <goonxalo> there are someone who speaks spanish?
[07:16] <thewillo> I forgot to look for that, so I just kept thinking the next settings change might work and installing over and over
[07:16] <Flannel> !es | goonxalo
[07:17] <goonxalo> muchisimas gracias!
[07:20] <Flannel> swensson: The internet seems to think that's because that group ("guests") doesn't exist
[07:23] <goonxalo> hi, first of all sorry for my english, there are someone who can help me, i'm having problems after that i come back for a suspention time in my laptop, the wifi doesn't work and also the terminal either, so what can be?
[07:24] <swensson> Flannel Yeah that was my first thought, but then I tried adding the group and still the same issue :O Gonna try with a reboot soon
[07:25] <goonxalo> and also when i try to install some software from the ubuntu software it doesn't install, so what can be?
[07:25] <swensson> reboot did the trick -.-
[07:55] <nwe> hello, I trying to connect a ubunut-machine to my openldap, I can query  users from it with ldap-search, but I cant get it to work with pam, when I running id <user> or getent passwd I cant see the ldapusers.
[07:55] <nwe> I have configure nsswtich.conf and /etc/ldap.conf
[07:56] <nwe> also added session required    pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask=0022 to common-session
[07:56] <nwe> I have restart nscd too
[07:58] <flux242> hi, why would 'sudo apt dist-upgrade' not install a newer kernel version. It says '0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded' but a newer kernel version exist?
[08:04] <Ben64> flux242: what version of ubuntu
[08:04] <Ben64> flux242: and what kernel
[08:04] <flux242> 17.10
[08:04] <flux242> 24
[08:04] <Ben64> 24?
[08:04] <flux242> there's 26th kernel
[08:04] <Ben64> oh, 17.10 isn't released yet, for support check in #ubuntu+1
[08:05] <flux242> 17.04 sory
[08:05] <Ben64> ok but what kernel are you running now
[08:05] <flux242> 4.10.0-24-generic
[08:05] <flux242> 24th see?
[08:06] <Ben64> please put the output from "apt-cache policy linux-image-generic" on http://paste.ubuntu.com and give the link here
[08:07] <flux242> https://ptpb.pw/Vgqp
[08:09] <flux242> ok, so the metapackage is missing on my system. is that the reason?
[08:09] <Ben64> installed none?? how about "dpkg -l | grep ^..linux"
[08:10] <Ben64> whoops, typo. "dpkg -l | grep ^ii..linux"
[08:10] <flux242> yeah, aint' nobody have time to install kernel
[08:13] <flux242> hope that installing metapackage will fix it for the next upgrades. Thanks Ben64
[08:14] <Ben64> ok
[08:35] <Homely_Girl> Hi can anyone assist me in getting Minecraft running on Ubuntu, please? :)
[08:38] <iHack13> hi.
[08:38] <iHack13> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:38] <iHack13> trying to sudo apt-get install
[08:38] <MustaKrakish> killall -9 apt-get
[08:39] <iHack13> thx will try.
[08:39] <iHack13> the software updater is running in background maybe thats why?
[08:39] <MustaKrakish> probably something updating
[08:39] <MustaKrakish> yeah
[08:40] <iHack13> it has no window tho. it only sits in the dock
[08:40] <iHack13> is that normal?
[08:40] <MustaKrakish> if it's checking for updates yeah
[08:43] <iHack13> man that takes long
[08:43] <iHack13> I guess the distro on the parallels server is quite old.
[08:43] <MustaKrakish> :)
[08:44] <iHack13> can I check if it is doing anything with terminal?
[08:52] <iHack13> bash: /scripts/dtc/dtc: No such file or directory
[09:11] <cornel> hello
[09:11] <cornel> what is the proper way to install rdesktop 1.8.3 on ubuntu linux v14.04 ?
[09:17] <Seveas> !info rdesktop trusty
[09:17] <Seveas> !info rdesktop xenial
[09:17] <Seveas> cornel: the proper way would be to upgrade to xenial :)
[09:18] <cornel> Seveas, thank you
[09:18] <cornel> but this can not be easily done
[09:18] <cornel> i thought maybe it's on backports or some ppa ....
[09:18] <Seveas> the slightly less proper way would be to grab the rdesktop source package from xenial and rebuild on trusty, then install the result
[09:19] <Seveas> and really, that's only slightly less proper. Perfectly acceptable, as long as you keep an eye on security updates
[09:20] <cornel> thank you Seveas
[09:24] <cornel> is there something like apt-get upgrade rdesktop --releasever=16.04 ?
[09:26] <tomreyn> cornel: no, you might find a PPA which provides the newer version. why do you need it, though?
[09:26] <cornel> to connect to w10
[09:27] <tomreyn> so 1.7.1-1ubuntu2 won't?
[09:27] <cornel> yep
[09:27] <cornel> won't
[09:31] <tomreyn> maybe freerdp will work
[09:32] <tomreyn> or you could upgrade to 16.04 if that's an option
[09:58] <Kamuela> How can I use programmatic references in environment variables I pass when I call something? e.g. `ENV_VAR="$(cat a_file)" python main.py`
[10:00] <gxy> hi, somebody here?
[10:08] <thewillo> can I do a dist upgrade to nightly?
[10:08] <thewillo> from 16.04?
[10:08] <thewillo> *17.04
[10:17] <simso> hi, can someone plz help with slot problem, need guidance with setpci
[10:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:19] <thewillo> Hi BluesKaj
[10:19] <thewillo> how are you?
[10:20] <BluesKaj> hi thewillo, fine here, and you?
[10:20] <thewillo> pretty good thanks
[10:49] <simso> hi guys, can someone help with enabling amd radeon driver ?
[11:05] <tomreyn> simso: you should provide more information, such as ubuntu version, hardware / graphics chipset.
[11:06] <tomreyn> lsb_release -sd && lspci -nn | grep VGA
[11:06] <thewillo> you can try the additonal drivers program
[11:06] <thewillo> that has proprietary drivers
[11:09] <simso> Linux Mint 18.1 Serena
[11:09] <simso> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0126] (rev 09)
[11:09] <simso> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Seymour [Radeon HD 6400M/7400M Series] [1002:6760]
[11:09] <ducasse> !mint | simso
[11:09] <simso> but mint is ubuntu minimised
[11:10] <tomreyn> read it again
[11:10] <ducasse> simso: no, it's _based on_ ubuntu, not the same
[11:10] <thewillo> simso, just use ubuntu, and install the things from mint that you like to replace what you get packed with ubuntu
[11:10] <thewillo> mint is a low quality distro in my opinion
[11:13] <Exterminador> hello guys. is it possible somehow, to retrieve via command line the last IPv6 address assigned to a machine?
[11:15] <thewillo> isn't ipv6 based on hardware coded addresses?
[11:15] <thewillo> I'm not a networking guy, but I think it is
[11:15] <simso> Linux simo-pc 4.8.0-56-generic #61~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 14 11:58:22 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:16] <thewillo> Just because it says ubuntu doesn't mean it is ubuntu
[11:16] <thewillo> it means the mint people don't know enough to change the name in their packages when they build them
[11:16] <tomreyn> Exterminador: do you mean the one currently assigned or the one before that?
[11:17] <Exterminador> I have a /64 block available to me. but I need to assign them and I have no idea how to or how to retrieve the ones that are assigned to the machine
[11:17] <Exterminador> tomreyn: I know which is the 1st one.. I just don't know which is the last one.
[11:18] <tomreyn> ip -6 a
[11:19] <tomreyn> that'll list assigned ipv6 addresses / address ranges
[11:19] <tomreyn> the one starting fe80 is the ipv6 equivalent to 127.0.0.1 (loopback address), you are probably looking for a different one.
[11:20] <Exterminador> yeah.. I have only one assigned. I need to assign more.
[11:21] <tomreyn> you could use network manager /GUI) or its CLI to do so. or do it the classic way and edit /etc/network/interfaces
[11:21] <tomreyn> or just dhcp if your router supports it.
[11:22] <Exterminador> tomreyn: it's a vps, I'm already googling to see how to add more ips to eth0
[11:24] <thewillo> On my vps provider I can add new ips as another virtual lan adapter
[11:24] <thewillo> Like, you get 1 ip free, plus you can have 1 floating ip for free(and IP you can reassign to any of your other VPS's
[11:25] <thewillo> one floating for free per vps, you have to pay for the ip if it's not attached to discourage ip hoarding
[11:26] <thewillo> I use digital ocean, I've used a lot of providers and they are the best one that isn't crazy expensive
[11:27] <Exterminador> weird
[11:27] <Exterminador> I can't edit /etc/network/interfaces
[11:29] <tomreyn> on a vps, i would expect the hosting provider to assign addresses via dhcp(6)
[11:31] <jaydemir> the command 'sensors' gives me accurate temp readings for my intel machine but NOT my AMD chip. Any suggestions/
[11:31] <jaydemir> ?
[11:31] <Exterminador> it's unmanaged
[11:31] <Exterminador> and I don't seem to be able to assign more ips
[11:32] <tomreyn> Exterminador: unless they're routed to your system it would not have any use anyways.
[11:33] <tomreyn> jaydemir: try running 'sensors-detect --auto' read the last few paragraphs.
[11:33] <thewillo> https://m.do.co/c/459bf9dea58b this is my VPS provider with my referral link, you can use the promo code DROPLET10 to get $10 free(1 month with 1gb ram 1cpu 10gb ssd, and 1tb data at gigabit speed
[11:33] <thewillo> try that one if you need a VPS, since we're on the subject
[11:33] <thewillo> you will love them
[11:33] <thewillo> like I do...
[11:33] <Exterminador> tomreyn: afaik, they are routed to my machine
[11:33] <tomreyn> thewillo: no referral links here, please
[11:34] <thewillo> tomreyn, sorry
[11:34] <thewillo> well still use the promo code
[11:34] <thewillo> I will recommend them regardless of if I get the referral
[11:34] <tomreyn> thewillo: please read the channel guidelines as discussed on this channel's topic.
[11:34] <thewillo> um... Okay
[11:35] <tomreyn> Exterminador: okay then check with your hosting provider as to how you should be adding them since you say that you are unable (I assume you tried sudo / root) to edit /etc/network/interfaces.
[11:36] <thewillo> so I can recommend them as long as I don't give my referral link tomreyn ?
[11:36] <ducasse> thewillo: promoting specific providers here is generally frowned upon
[11:36] <thewillo> oh okay
[11:36] <tomreyn> thewillo: read the guidelines, please. this channel is just about ubuntu support.
[11:36] <thewillo> well someone started talking about VPSs and I chimed in
[11:36] <thewillo> sorry
[11:37] <Exterminador> tomreyn: yes, I've logged in as root.. but still gives me permission denied
[11:37] <tomreyn> Exterminador: so talk to them.
[11:40] <ducasse> Exterminador: what exactly gives you permission denied?
[12:03] <thewillo> is there a way to share my terminal session with other terminal sessions without using screen(because it cuts off everything that scrolls off your screen and it's gone)
[12:03] <thewillo> I want something like screen except with scrollback
[12:03] <integrity> -------______--------HEIL HITLER!-------__-----__---
[12:03] <integrity> -------\----/--------------------------/-/----/-/---
[12:03] <integrity> ---_----|--|----_-----WE-CONTROL------/-/----/-/----
[12:03] <integrity> --|-\___|--|___/-|----YOUR-WORLD-----/-/___-/-/___--
[12:03] <integrity> --|--____--____--|----HEILHITLER----/___--//___--/--
[12:03] <integrity> --|_/---|--|---\_|----SIEG--HEIL-------/-/----/-/---
[12:03] <integrity> --------|--|----------WPWW88--!!------/-/----/-/----
[12:03] <integrity> -------/____\------------------------/_/----/_/-----
[12:03] <integrity> ----EISENKREUZ-----------NAZI-------SCHUTZSTAFFEL---
[12:03] <thewillo> that was mildly entertaining
[12:04] <ducasse> thewillo: tmux has scrollback, i'm sure screen does too
[12:04] <thewillo> tmux huh? I've heard of it but I know nothing about it
[12:05] <thewillo> is it a whole environment or just a simple tool?
[12:05] <ducasse> it's similar to screen
[12:14] <madmouser1> thewillo: tmux best for that or in screen : Ctrl + a + [ to enter Copy Mode, then scroll up/down using keys j or k
[12:43] <thyriaen> I would like to mount a ssd by default on startp to a mountpoint lets say /home/thyriaen/data - how do i do that ?
[12:44] <akik> thyriaen: you can do it in /etc/fstab, follow the example of the root mount
[12:45] <akik> thyriaen: use "sudo blkid /dev/sdxn" to get the uuid
[12:45] <thyriaen> akik, ah perfect thanks
[12:45] <thyriaen> that was the file i was looking for without knowing that there is a file
[12:45] <thyriaen> cause i wanted to know how i did that 4 months ago :P
[13:07] <texla> What prefix do I use after bs= in the dd command to erase a 16gb usb pen drive
[13:08] <SuperSeriousCat>  /dev/null
[13:09] <unholymachine> bs= stands for byte size
[13:09] <unholymachine> if i'm not mistaken
[13:09] <fallentree> block size
[13:09] <unholymachine> ah ok
[13:10] <unholymachine> yeah bs= just tells dd what block size to use
[13:11] <unholymachine> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M would do it
[13:11] <unholymachine> or even 4M
[13:11] <unholymachine> i usually do 4M , idk why but i do
[13:11] <unholymachine> lol
[13:12] <texla> unholymachine, Yes that is what i need i have used 512 but not complete erase
[13:13] <ryzokuken> Xubuntu or Ubuntu GNOME?
[13:13] <unholymachine> xubuntu all the way!
[13:14] <ryzokuken> xfce is def lighter than GNOME, I'll grant you that.
[13:14] <ryzokuken> has anyone ever compared Mint Xfce and Xubuntu by any chance?
[13:14] <unholymachine> yeah that's one of the reasons why i prefer it
[13:14] <ryzokuken> Mint Xfce used to run pretty fast on my machine
[13:15] <ryzokuken> but didn't like it, because obv. Mint
[13:15] <unholymachine> if you are comparing mint xfce and xubuntu you're kind of at the point of splitting hairs
[13:15] <unholymachine> maybe the performance differential is slight if any
[13:15] <ryzokuken> unholymachine: the diff must be slight
[13:15] <ryzokuken> unholymachine: +1
[13:15] <unholymachine> but as a choice, i would go for Xubuntu over mint xfce
[13:16] <ryzokuken> but it kinda matters because my machine is not the fastest
[13:16] <ryzokuken> unholymachine: I'm just doing that
[13:16] <unholymachine> cool
[13:16] <ryzokuken> but wanted to know if Xubuntu is faster.
[13:16] <unholymachine> it's fast ALL the old machines i've installed it on
[13:16] <ryzokuken> 16.04 is old. Is 17.04 buggy?
[13:16] <unholymachine> idk if it can get any faster
[13:17] <unholymachine> 16.04 is LTS and is better
[13:17] <ryzokuken> but the software is older
[13:17] <unholymachine> not older, but mature
[13:17] <unholymachine> ie. less bugs
[13:17] <ryzokuken> some of the same problems I get with Mint (because it uses LTS base)
[13:18] <ryzokuken> unholymachine: there's a diff b/w a few bugs and being "buggy" all the way.
[13:18] <unholymachine> i have not run into ANY bugs if we're talking about 16.04
[13:19] <unholymachine> ymmv
[13:21]  * adas0496 ...
[13:21] <fallentree> unholymachine: lucky you. 16.04 hasn't really been bug free. but being LTS, it has less bugs caused by introduction of major new components every 6 months.
[13:23] <fallentree> (it has less bugs today, is what I mean. at the time of release it was quite buggy)
[13:28] <ryzokuken> unholymachine: sorry for afk
[13:28] <ryzokuken> obv you didn't run into any bugs, its an LTS
[13:28] <ryzokuken> i was asking about 17.04
[13:28] <ryzokuken> newer kernel, newer software etc
[13:28] <ryzokuken> if its not buggy, i'll prefer 17.04
[13:30] <ryzokuken> fallentree: what's your verdict?
[13:30] <ryzokuken> LTS or normal realease?
[13:31] <fallentree> ryzokuken: LTS
[13:33] <ryzokuken> fallentree: what about old software and kernel?
[13:33] <fallentree> ryzokuken: I'm pretty sure you don't need any of the features of newer kernels. and if you did, you could always install HWE
[13:33] <fallentree> which is newer kernels for LTS
[13:34] <fallentree> as for "old software"... same thing. if you really need something from a newer version, chances are it's in backports
[13:34] <ryzokuken> fallentree: what about newer DE?
[13:34] <ryzokuken> oh, backports?
[13:34] <ryzokuken> so backports allows me to use non LTS repo inside LTS?
[13:35] <ryzokuken> but won't that install non LTS software on my machine (what's the point of LTS then)
[13:35] <azizLIGHT> how do i restart the sound
[13:35] <azizLIGHT> something weird happens to my audio input device after some time
[13:35] <fallentree> if you prioritize new over stable, then by all means go with 17.04, just keep in mind that newer = less tested and if you're willing to help yourself fixing them, then by all means go for it.
[13:35] <azizLIGHT> it disappears from settings -> sound -> input devices list
[13:36] <azizLIGHT> i can hear the sound but i cant control volume
[13:36] <fallentree> ryzokuken: personally I run 17.04. but I know how to fix stuff.
[13:36] <ryzokuken> fallentree: I'm not a complete newb myself :P
[13:36] <ryzokuken> that's what I asked him, wait I'll quote.
[13:37] <fallentree> ryzokuken: I was thinking if you had to ask, then LTS is probably better for you. But if you're not afraid of a little breakage, then 17.04 is just fine.
[13:37] <ryzokuken> > unholymachine: there's a diff b/w a few bugs and being "buggy" all the way.
[13:37] <ryzokuken> I can handle a few bugs
[13:37] <ryzokuken> cannot handle a buggy distro
[13:38] <ryzokuken> there's a diff b/w the two and I wanted to know where 17.04 lied in that spectrum
[13:38] <ryzokuken> specifically, Xubuntu (if possible)
[13:39] <fallentree> ryzokuken: replace systemd-resolved  with anythign else, and you should be fine :)   There was also a rather serious kernel bug crashing the system, but it's now resolved.
[13:39] <leftyfb> ryzokuken: LTS's are generally more stable than the non-LTS releases.
[13:39] <fallentree> it's now fixed, I mean.
[13:39] <fallentree> the nvidia suspend/resume bug with visual glitches is also fixed.
[13:39] <ryzokuken> fallentree: really?
[13:39] <fallentree> so right now, 17.04 is okay.
[13:39] <ryzokuken> I had that one for ages
[13:40] <ryzokuken> leftyfb: you don't say.
[13:40] <fallentree> ryzokuken: which one, nvidia?
[13:40] <ryzokuken> I used to use Debian testing, and it was tolerable.
[13:40] <ryzokuken> fallentree: yes.
[13:40] <fallentree> ryzokuken: well, if ages means "slightly after 16.10 got out" then yeah :)
[13:40] <ryzokuken> fallentree: all images going bad on resume?
[13:41] <ryzokuken> including wallpaper sometimes?
[13:41] <fallentree> no, visual artifacts surrounding windows
[13:41] <ryzokuken> oh
[13:41] <ryzokuken> didn't have that one, I think.
[13:41] <ryzokuken> fallentree: https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/xfce4
[13:41] <ryzokuken> this though
[13:41] <ryzokuken> xfce version 4.12.2 in LTS 4.12.3 in 17.04
[13:42] <ryzokuken> not much of a diff
[13:42] <fallentree> the problem was most obvious with unity, and I saw some minor artifacts after rsume even on debian testing, but not as serious as unity.
[13:42] <ryzokuken> oh, okay.
[13:42] <ryzokuken> I never really liked Unity.
[13:43] <fallentree> I use Ubuntu precisely because of Unity :)
[13:43] <ryzokuken> :)
[13:44] <ryzokuken> I'm sad for you then.
[13:44] <fallentree> ryzokuken: yeah. it's sad.
[13:45] <glitsj16> azizLIGHT: Are you using PulseAudio? If so, try 'systemctl --user restart pulseaudio' .. although that doesn't explain why your audio device drops out of sight in the first place.. what ubuntu version are you seeing this on?
[13:47] <ryzokuken> https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/libgtk-3-0
[13:47] <ryzokuken> gtk 3.18 vs 3.22
[13:47] <azizLIGHT> glitsj16: im having this issue on ubuntu 17.04 inside vmware workstation
[13:47] <azizLIGHT> 11
[13:48] <ryzokuken> adapta does not support 3.18 but pop-gtk does.
[13:49] <azizLIGHT> ive been having to restart to get teh volume control notification toasts back
[13:49] <simso> hi again, isntalled ubuntu, can now someone help me enable amd radeon driiver plz ?
[13:49] <ducasse> simso: you shouldn't need to, it should be loaded automagically
[13:49] <simso> ducasse not its not loaded
[13:50] <SimonNL> huh
[13:50] <ducasse> simso: is any other driver loaded for that gpu?
[13:50] <simso> in driver manager i dont have no options for amd drivers, hp dual graphics
[13:51] <ryzokuken> fallentree: firefox 54 is in xenial too
[13:51] <ducasse> simso: because there is only radeon for your gpu, i'd imagine
[13:51] <ryzokuken> the diff in packages is next to none.
[13:51] <ryzokuken> how stable-er is LTS in comparison? very?
[13:52] <simso> ducasse , i ask for patience plz, can we check which driver is loaded now ? i suppose is intel, but i need the radeon one
[13:52] <simso> i forgot the commands
[13:52] <ducasse> simso: see what 'lspci -k' says
[13:53] <simso> ducasse can i post here the output ?
[13:53] <ducasse> simso: pastebin it
[13:54] <simso> ducasse https://pastebin.com/awUDwjh5
[13:55] <fallentree> ryzokuken: frankly, once the non-LTS stabilizes, they're pretty much the same. the problem is with non-lts releases bringing new major software versions which means breakage for a period of time before it's stabilized.
[13:55] <fallentree> but by the time that happens, the new non-lts is out and the old deprecated :)
[13:56] <ducasse> simso: radeon is loaded for the amd gpu, i915 for the intel
[13:56] <glitsj16> azizLIGHT: so this is happening frequently? It might be vmware related, that ships audio to your host OS no?
[13:56] <simso> ducasse, can u remember me of the command to see of which card is loaded, initggx ?
[13:57] <azizLIGHT> glitsj16: its possible. perhaps ubuntu 17.04 isnt supported by vmware workstation 11. im running it on a ubuntu 14.04 x64 host
[13:59] <glitsj16> azizLIGHT: can't confirm that, never really used a lot of VM's .. but it does come back after restarting pulseaudio? or haven't you tried that yet?
[14:00] <ducasse> simso: no clue how dual amd graphics are handled, i'd guess it's a bios setting
[14:01] <simso> ducasse simo@simo-laptop:~$ inxi
[14:01] <simso> CPU~Dual core Intel Core i5-2450M (-HT-MCP-) speed/max~846/3100 MHz Kernel~4.8.0-58-generic x86_64 Up~25 min Mem~1464.4/7930.2MB HDD~500.1GB(4.2% used) Procs~221 Client~Shell inxi~2.2.35
[14:01] <ryzokuken> fallentree: eg: 17.04 has started feeling better but 17.10 will be out soon
[14:02] <simso> ducasse            GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile , intel is used as default vga driver
[14:03] <curlyears> how does one obtain an invite to #linux?
[14:03] <curlyears> heigh hough
[14:03] <ducasse> !register | curlyears
[14:05] <curlyears> my nnick *IS* registered
[14:05] <ducasse> curlyears: it's ##linux, btw
[14:05] <curlyears> OK, thanks, ducasse
[14:06] <simso> so
[14:06] <curlyears> by the by, does anyone know of a way, in a default installation of Ubuntu LTA 16.05.4 how to get a  larger cursor pointer?  The default is too small, I keep losing it on my 27: widescreeen monitor display
[14:07] <curlyears> `6.04.4, sorry
[14:07] <danielhuman> why is my history not being saved? it seems like my ~/.profile is not being loaded (I'm on trusty 14.04)
[14:08] <danielhuman> i'm trying to run these commands https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xYRd8eSA/.profile
[14:10] <danielhuman> i've restarted, i've echo'd for $HISTSIZE and it still shows 1000 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aSQN3Qtt/
[14:11] <curlyears> danielhuman:  your system doesn't like you   :)
[14:11] <danielhuman> haha. sorry. i think i've figured out that .profile is the wrong file?
[14:11] <curlyears> by the by, does anyone know of a way, in a default installation of Ubuntu LTA 16.05.4 how to get a  larger cursor pointer?  The default is too small, I keep losing it on my 27: widescreeen monitor display
[14:11] <curlyears> 16.04.4, sorry
[14:11] <ducasse> danielhuman: try putting them in ~/.bashrc instead
[14:12] <danielhuman> curlyears: i've struggled with the same. i was able to get it bigger on a retina display
[14:12] <curlyears> well, I don't have access to retina displays
[14:12] <simso> curly install unity tools
[14:12] <curlyears> unity tools?
[14:12] <simso> yes
[14:13] <curlyears> thanks, simso
[14:13] <simso> unity tweak tools
[14:14] <simso> after u wil find in apprearance curosrs an option for larger curosrs
[14:14] <simso> cursors
[14:14] <danielhuman> does no one care about the warnings inside. oooh. it then runs bashrc. wow. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/IDEa40YN/
[14:14] <leftyfb> curlyears: btw, there's also no 16.04.4
[14:15] <curlyears> 16.4.04, maybe?
[14:15] <leftyfb> curlyears: cat /etc/issue will tell you the version you're running
[14:16] <simso> curly    sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool
[14:17] <curlyears> \thanks, simso.   Also, thanks, leftyfb.  O was just working from memory, and I installed this version about a year ago, so my memory was a bit weak
[14:17] <leftyfb> curlyears: so what version are you running?
[14:18] <curlyears> correction:   16.94.2
[14:18] <leftyfb> try again :)
[14:18] <simso> fixed it ?
[14:20] <danielhuman> curlyears: uname -v
[14:20] <leftyfb> danielhuman: that will not tell you anything useful
[14:20] <simso> appareance > cursors
[14:20] <leftyfb> othat than the datetime
[14:20] <leftyfb> other*
[14:21] <simso> how can i see the room members list in xchat
[14:21] <danielhuman> leftyfb: it appears to show my version -->  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/970vYaxe/
[14:21] <danielhuman> as you can see, 14.04.1
[14:21] <simso> like if im sitting in a blach room
[14:22] <leftyfb> danielhuman: sort of, but it's also not correct
[14:22] <leftyfb> danielhuman: compare that to `cat /etc/issue`
[14:22] <curlyears> well, that allows me some discretion over the shape and color of my cursor, but doesn't give me a size control   :(   Surely I can't be the only user in the world who needs a larger cursor?
[14:22] <danielhuman> leftyfb: wow.
[14:22] <danielhuman> leftyfb: you're fucking right.
[14:22] <simso> curly did you instaled untiy tweak tools ?
[14:23] <leftyfb> danielhuman: please watch the language
[14:23] <danielhuman> leftyfb: thank you. sorry.
[14:23] <leftyfb> danielhuman: uname -v ptobably tells you what release the kernel you're running was released for
[14:23] <danielhuman> leftyfb: good to know. thanks.
[14:23] <curlyears> simso: I did, and it gives me several choices for cursor, but none of them very large, and no sioze control option I saw
[14:24] <ducasse> curlyears: then find a cursor theme with a larger size
[14:24] <simso> curly there must be an option for use a larger curosr
[14:25] <curlyears> whenever my system shows an upgrade or bugfix, I install it
[14:25] <danielhuman> curlyears: you don't need to install a theme. there is a setting. i remember i had to do something dangerous.
[14:25] <danielhuman> curlyears: it's definitely working on mine with the default theme.
[14:25] <simso> curly https://askubuntu.com/questions/126491/how-do-i-change-the-cursor-and-its-size
[14:26] <curlyears> I can't find such a setting.  I don't know what a "cursor theme" is, though from context I can glean an approximation of what it means
[14:26] <danielhuman> curlyears: from my understanding (because i never did it myself) , a cursor theme is just something you install
[14:27] <ducasse> curlyears: certain cursor themes contain a selection of pixmaps in various sizes, but not all
[14:27] <danielhuman> curlyears: what keywords are you searching for
[14:28] <glitsj16> curlyears: what's the output from 'gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface cursor-size'?
[14:28] <curlyears> danielhuman: "keywords?"
[14:28] <danielhuman> curlyears: yes, what keywords are you searching for on google
[14:29] <curlyears> glitsj16
[14:29] <curlyears> 24
[14:29] <curlyears> you mean for sucrsize issues?
[14:29] <curlyears> curso size
[14:30] <glitsj16> curlyears: try 'gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface cursor-size 48'
[14:30] <danielhuman> yes
[14:30] <danielhuman> i think that's what i did. at some point i had cursors being different sizes. that can also be fixed.
[14:30] <danielhuman> though i remember it took a lot of trial and error
[14:32] <simso> anyone with good knowledge of setpci ? need help to manage pci lots
[14:33] <TheGecko> anyone in here who recently succeeded in compiling mplayer from sources? I tried every tutorial I could find and most fail on "ar: libavcodec/x86/aacencdsp.o: No such file or directory" :/
[14:33] <waterCreature> hi, i am on kali-linux, anyways,but since both are debian based, i thought i would try my luck here. I am trying to remap the keys and disable touchpad at system start
[14:33] <glitsj16> curlyears: if that doesn't change your cursor size, better set it back to 24, which is the default.. and disregard, I was just wondering if that might work..
[14:33] <waterCreature> i tried /etc/init.d/keyboard.sh then chmd.
[14:34] <ducasse> !kali | waterCreature
[14:34] <simso> TheGecko install vlc, the best ever
[14:34] <waterCreature> systemd/system/keyboard-mouse.service and making it executable
[14:34] <TheGecko> I need mencoder
[14:34] <waterCreature> none worked ;(
[14:34] <TheGecko> ie I'm talking about server side here, dont need the gui
[14:35] <simso> TheGecko streaming ?
[14:35] <TheGecko> no converting
[14:36] <simso> TheGecko you can convert without mplayer, google : covert files under linux
[14:37] <TheGecko> could be so, sadly enough I 'need' mplayer as it is the requirement of another piece of software that I'm using (whole platform for video conversion etc)
[14:37] <TheGecko> so it has to be mencoder or an 'interface compatible' alternative (that I doubt exists)
[14:38] <TheGecko> I tried this : http://www.andrews-corner.org/linux/mplayer.html
[14:38] <TheGecko> (and many others but thats the last one I tried)
[14:39] <glitsj16> TheGecko: mencoder is in the repo's .. not working for you?
[14:39] <TheGecko> I need faac (I think it was faac)
[14:40] <ducasse> TheGecko: i _think_ there's a ppa for that
[14:40] <curlyears> dukasse:   don't ppas screw up your update database tables?
[14:41] <curlyears> er, archive data tables
[14:41] <ducasse> curlyears: they can screw up dependencies.
[14:41] <curlyears> hmmm. . .
[14:42] <curlyears> *wow*   now I have a big, ugly red arrow as cursor, and it stands out so much I can't lose it on the screen....*YAY*
[14:43] <curlyears> and when it is over a link or text, it switches to what's referred to as a "glass" of the same size and color
[14:43] <curlyears> thanks, guys, especially simso
[14:44] <curlyears> another nice thing is if part of the cursor image is over some text, it is trnaslucent, so the text is still legible
[14:48] <laceylaney> having some trouble with unmet dependencies when trying to install lxqt desktop. See my post here >> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2364947&p=13660958#post13660958
[14:49] <rory> laceylaney: I think the PPA is broken
[14:49] <rory> laceylaney: various reports saying it works on 16.04 only
[14:50] <laceylaney> Ok so how can I find a working ppa ??
[14:50] <rory> laceylaney: various others saying it works on 17.04 only
[14:50] <rory> laceylaney: you may just be out of luck and need to build it
[14:50] <laceylaney> I'm running 16.04 with full updates.
[14:50] <laceylaney> Ahhh right ok not a problem.
[14:50] <rory> laceylaney: where did you get that packagte name from?
[14:50] <rory> laceylaney: try removing the ppa, running apt-get update; and installing lubuntu-qt-desktop
[14:52] <laceylaney> I literally cannot remember. It was a while back when I was originally going to install it...
[14:57] <laceylaney> I dont appear to have a ppa set up for lxqt ...
[14:57] <laceylaney> Not that I can see anyway...
[15:09] <nostalgiccloud> nacc, you still here bud?
[15:16] <Exterminador> i got this with: ls -l /etc/network/interfaces -> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 256 Jun  5 19:56 /etc/network/interfaces
[15:17] <Exterminador> but i cannot change anything.. is there missing something?
[15:19] <pavlos> Exterminador: you could using sudo
[15:19] <ducasse> Exterminador: what does lsattr say?
[15:20] <Exterminador> ducasse: ----i----------- /etc/network/interfaces
[15:20] <ducasse> Exterminador: i = immutable
[15:21] <Exterminador> so, no deal?
[15:21] <ducasse> Exterminador: chattr -i /etc/network/interfaces
[15:22] <Exterminador> ducasse: tks a lot!!! you saved  my day!
[15:22] <ducasse> Exterminador: yw :)
[15:23] <martina1> Hello. How can I execute an .sh file on Kubuntu(!) bei doubleclicking it in Dolphin? The .sh file is made excutable, if that is important, but it seems Dolphin is set as the app to open the .sh-file, which doesn't work.
[15:23] <adamdesign> Can you use the terminal? sh filename.sh
[15:26] <martina1> adamdesign: Yes, but I want the user to have some way of doubleclicking the file instead of using the terminal.
[15:26] <Exterminador> now, to add more ips to my machine, is this tutorial correct? https://askubuntu.com/questions/616856/how-do-i-add-an-additional-ipv6-address-to-etc-network-interfaces
[15:27] <adamdesign> martinal: Maybe this would work: https://askubuntu.com/questions/138908/how-to-execute-a-script-just-by-double-clicking-like-exe-files-in-windows
[15:32] <Jonuz> How can I install php-gmagick in ubuntu 16.04? Im getting this error when I try to install it with apt https://paste.debian.net/974106/
[15:34] <ducasse> !info php-gmagick xenial
[15:34] <ducasse> Jonuz: ^^
[15:35] <deww> seems like that's the imagick fork
[15:35] <deww> or imagemagick or whatever
[15:36] <L00P3X> someone would help me install, whit the right way, the ubuntu desktop on other ubuntu flavours?
[15:36] <L00P3X> good evening everyone..
[15:37] <Exterminador> is there anyway to assign a block of ips at once to the eth0?
[15:38] <glitsj16> Jonuz: on 16.04 you'll need a PPA to get php-gmagick, try https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[15:38] <Jonuz> glitsj16: thanks
[15:38] <Ieuan> How do you reenable ctrl+alt+backspace?
[15:39] <raub> L00P3X: help depends on knowing where you are coming from and what do you have.
[15:39] <raub> Also "right way" is clear as mud
[15:39] <bree_> ehm he does that because of me i figure
[15:39] <bree_> but nevermind
[15:40] <bree_> i got used to the actual xfce
[15:40] <bree_> i guess im gonna purchase bitwig or so
[15:40] <L00P3X> raub, a friend have ubuntu studio and wanna get the ubuntudesktop on it.. i'm asking for he..
[15:41] <ducasse> Ieuan: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
[15:41] <raub> I thought ubuntu studio had the ubuntudesktop on it. Is he trying to do a wipe/reinstall or what?
[15:42] <bree_> i just wanted to know if it was possible to have the dash of ubuntu on your ubuntu studio distro
[15:42] <bree_> but nevermind
[15:44] <workisfun> hi guys, if i define a function in my .bashrc `startproject() { cd ~/project/ startshell compile }, the first 2 commands work, but the compile doesn't make it into the shell, is there a way to have compile get called within the newly started shell?
[15:44] <adamdesign> bree_: You want the Unity desktop on Ubuntu Studio? Try: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[15:45] <adamdesign> bree_: but back up files first, just in case
[15:45] <bree_> okay, ehm one question, if i just take an linux of my installation partition, am i gonna be able to run it on other machines, with different hardware and stuff?
[15:45] <bree_> *an image
[15:46] <wedgie> workisfun: have a link to startshell docs? i'm not familiar
[15:46] <wedgie> workisfun: but you probably need to find a way to tell startshell to run a command
[15:48] <adamdesign> bree_: To back up your files for safety, or are you migrating to a new computer?
[15:50] <acresearch> people, is there a way to keep the desktop always organised, instead of always right clicking back choosing organise desktop? i am in ubuntu gnome 17.04
[15:50] <raub> adamdesign: That is what I thought
[15:51] <raub> adamdesign: I assume he means dd'ing it
[15:51] <adamdesign> raub: Is "dd" deja-dup?
[15:52] <raub> adamdesign: only dd I know is as in dd if=/dev/hey of=/dev/there bs=biggie
[15:56] <adamdesign> raub: Oh...
[15:57] <adamdesign> raub: Can he run an image on different hardware? My guess is that he could, but I don't know dd
[15:58] <raub> Another good program/package IMHO to deploy images is clonezilla
[16:00] <raub> adamdesign: dd is how I usually create bootable usbs from isos. I think the bottom line is ensuring it boots. Linux is not windows; you should not need to do something like sysprep.
[16:00] <raub> And ubuntu knows a lot of different hardware by default
[16:01] <adamdesign> raub: That's why love my Linux :0)
[16:02] <raub> adamdesign: If I could run SCCM and gpo editor and the ad editor in Linux, I would have no reason tohave a windows vm at work
[16:04] <adamdesign> raub: VMs are good. For me, it's Visual Studio, but MonoDev does pretty well
[16:10] <Speed_> Help I can't boot into ubuntu I only get to a bash like grub prompt
[16:10] <Speed_> Idk what to do
[16:14] <raub> Speed_: do you have a bootable ubuntu usb? If so, run it and go to recovery mode.
[16:14] <raub> Speed_: what is the sequence of events that lead to this?
[16:18] <Speed_> I was playing some honeworld yesterday turned off my pc then booted it this morning
[16:21] <Speed_> Error loading sector 0xfc error loading sector 0xe0 error loading sector 0x00
[16:21] <Speed_> What does this mean?
[16:22] <arup_r> How can I undo this action sudo ln -sf /home/deploy/.nvm/versions/node/v6.10.1/bin/node /usr/local/bin/node ?
[16:22] <arup_r> I did it for some reason, but now I want to undo.. :)
[16:24] <Speed_> Let me see if I can find my ubuntu usb
[16:26] <Ben64> arup_r: sudo rm /usr/local/bin/node maybe
[16:26] <Ben64> arup_r: although if you had a file there before it's been erased
[16:26] <acresearch> people, is there a way to keep the desktop always organised, instead of always right clicking back choosing organise desktop? i am in ubuntu gnome 17.04
[16:26] <arup_r> Ben64: I didn't have anything
[16:26] <Speed_> Found it
[16:27] <arup_r> Ben64: thanks it worked
[16:27] <Ben64> cool
[16:27] <jhutchins> Speed_: It suggests that there's been a failure on the hard drive.
[16:28] <Speed_> How do I fix it?
[16:28] <jhutchins> Speed_: The fact that you get an error message and the grub shell says it's not completely gone though.
[16:28] <jhutchins> Speed_: Did you do a normal shutdown, or did you power off while it was running?
[16:28] <Speed_> I clicked shutdown
[16:28] <jhutchins> Speed_: Ok, just making sure.
[16:28] <Speed_> Then loged off
[16:29] <jhutchins> You will need something like the install image to boot from, then go to rescue mode.
[16:29] <Speed_> I locked the screen right after I shutdown
[16:30] <Speed_> I have no ides what my ubuntu USB is doing
[16:30] <jhutchins> Speed_: You shouldn't have been able to do either if it was shutting down.
[16:31] <Speed_> ATA1: comreset failed (errno=-16)
[16:31] <Speed_> Oh now I see the ubuntu splash screen
[16:31] <Speed_> Ok it worked. Now what should I look for on the usb?
[16:32] <jhutchins> Speed_: I'm going to step back and hope someone more familiar with the Ubuntu tools can help you.  If nobody volunteers, I'll be back.
[16:35] <Speed_> I can see my files and things on the other drive so I know it's not conoleatly failed
[16:35] <jhutchins> Speed_: Generally you want to get into rescue mode with a shell and run fsck on /dev/sda1 (or whatever your boot partition is).
[16:35] <jhutchins> Speed_: Probably fsck -a
[16:36] <Speed_> Rescue mode? Do I do this from terminal?
[16:39] <CoderEurope> http://ubuntupodcast.org/2017/06/30/s10e17-live-mycroft-biscuits/
[16:40] <Ermin> I have dual boot of Ubuntu with windows7 .I want to uninstall Ubuntu .I opened the disk manager and confused with which portion is actually belongs to Ubuntu.How can I find the exact Ubuntu portion and uninstall
[16:40] <Ermin> #windows
[16:46] <jhutchins> Speed_: Yes, any console
[16:47] <jhutchins> Speed_: fsck = filesystem check.
[16:50] <Richard_Cavell> Is there any discussion on whether putting Ubuntu in a VM is the *preferred* method of installing it?
[16:52] <mguy> find /directory_path -mtime -1 -ls
[16:55] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: i assume you mean Ubuntu Server, and if so, then that discussion probably belongs in #ubuntu-server.
[16:55] <Richard_Cavell> Nope.
[16:55] <Richard_Cavell> I'm talking about hardware compatibility
[16:56] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: then I don't understand. "the preferred way" of installing Ubuntu desktop is on a desktop system.
[16:56] <ducasse> Richard_Cavell: that depends entirely on what you want
[16:56] <Richard_Cavell> I am running Ubuntu on the metal, and the compatibility is less than perfect, and obviously a lot less than Windows
[16:56] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: did you do much research ahead of time
[16:56] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: and what do you mean, specifically, by compatibility?
[16:58] <Richard_Cavell> nacc: Well, here's what I'm thinking: There can be little doubt that Ubuntu developers will make sure that Ubuntu works perfectly with the virtual hardware presented to it by all the major virtualization software.  So I can guarantee compatibility, as long as I run it in a VM.
[16:59] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: ... what would be the host for the VM?
[16:59] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: "all the major virtualization software" is such a broad strokes generalization that it means nothing
[16:59] <Richard_Cavell> Whatever my computer came with.  Probably Windows, or maybe MacOS
[16:59] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: they don't all present the 'same' hardware
[16:59] <thewillo> I just manually installed ubuntu with chroot, and the package manager
[16:59] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: so then you would need Ubuntu to be able to be compatible with Windows software or MacOS software
[17:00] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: which is arguably even less likely than being compatible with actual hardware
[17:00] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: you still haven't said what specific issues you are hitting
[17:00] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: so right now I'm filing this under FUD
[17:01] <Richard_Cavell> Well so far I have this strange bug where, while running Ubuntu, my screen turns black and the entire computer becomes unresponsive, but it produces a lot of heat as though the CPU is working hard
[17:02] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: what graphics card?
[17:03] <adamdesign> Richard_Cavell: Does this happen when performing any specific task, or on startup? When does it happen?
[17:03] <Richard_Cavell> nacc: I have an Imac5,1 with a Radeon Mobility X1600
[17:04] <Richard_Cavell> adamdesign: Usually it's when I've been idle for ages.  I leave HexChat running and probably Chrome/Terminal as well.
[17:05] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: mac hardware is notoriously fickle. It's meant to only run MacOS (ime), so everything else requires some amount of rev. engineering by somoene and its easy to get wrong.
[17:05] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: have you seen if others experience the same issue with your same chipset(s)?
[17:06] <Richard_Cavell> nacc: It's very difficult to get Ubuntu to run at all on this computer, so there aren't many people out there
[17:06] <Richard_Cavell> nacc: See here https://mattgadient.com/2016/07/11/linux-dvd-images-and-how-to-for-32-bit-efi-macs-late-2006-models/
[17:06] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: i mean, it's sort of a corner case. You are trying to get something not-of-the-brand to run on *branded* hardware
[17:07] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: i don't think that's entirely ubuntu's fault.
[17:07] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: apple doesn't want you to run anything else on it either (imo)
[17:07] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: have you verified graphics accel is actually working?
[17:07] <nemo> but hm. just hexchat, chrome and a terminal. that seems odd
[17:07] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: for your specific case, it might be easier to keep macos as the host and run ubuntu in a VM, sure
[17:07] <Richard_Cavell> nemo: Yes, I think it is.  But can you clarify how I'd know?
[17:07] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: well. check glxinfo
[17:08] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: and verify glxgears is running at a nice blazing fast rate
[17:08] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: if you're not using graphics acceleration and it is doing CPU emulation that could be bad
[17:08] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: The default Ubuntu window manager is almost unusable in my VMs for that reason which drives me bonkers - esp the like 10 minutes it takes me to slooowly open a terminal window to install MATE
[17:08] <Richard_Cavell> I get 60 frames per second but there's an error http://ideone.com/4ayj01
[17:09] <nemo> woah. interesting
[17:09] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: oh. I almost forgot
[17:09] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 vblank_mode=0 glxgears
[17:09] <nemo> add those flags ☺
[17:09] <nemo> 2nd one is probably the one that matters most
[17:10] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: also.. glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[17:11] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: hm https://askubuntu.com/questions/260618/ati-radeon-mobility-x1600-drivers-installation  says FOSS only - not too suprising. fglrx has become increasingly unusable
[17:11] <Richard_Cavell> nemo glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" gives me "yes"
[17:11] <nemo> good good
[17:11] <nemo> glxgears doing a decent frame rate w/o vsync?
[17:12] <Richard_Cavell> Could you clarify what the command line should be to get those flags in?
[17:12] <nemo> __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 vblank_mode=0 glxgears
[17:12] <nemo> just run that
[17:12] <nemo> paste it into terminal
[17:13] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: also would be interesting to see what your X log looks like
[17:13] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: Xorg log and dmesg would be good places to look for clues
[17:13] <Richard_Cavell> nemo: Oh wow with that new command line I get 960 fps
[17:14] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: 960 is... usable 😝
[17:14] <nemo> I have an old 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK104 [GeForce GTX 760] (rev a1)
[17:14] <Richard_Cavell> Should I worry about the error message that I'm getting?
[17:15] <xangua> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/okFVDjLp
[17:15] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: dunno. looking into it. it does seem worrying
[17:15] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: was why I wanted the X log
[17:16] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: anyway. w/ my old GeForce above, I get 1000fps with the FOSS driver and 2000fps with the closed source - so about in line with you
[17:16] <xangua> So I was trying this external HD, but it won't mount or even show (Ubuntu 16.04)
[17:16] <nemo> xangua: check dmesg
[17:16] <nemo> xangua: bet it isn't formatted
[17:16] <nemo> xangua: or formatted for a mac or something
[17:16] <Speed_> i think my phone disconnecte
[17:16] <Speed_> d
[17:17] <nemo> xangua: might want to fire up gnome-disks or gparted to set up the drive
[17:17] <Speed_> i am booted on my ubuntu USB how do i get into recovry mode so i can know why my ubuntu wont boot?
[17:17] <xangua> nemo: doesn't show up there either
[17:18] <nemo> xangua: doesn't show up in dmesg or gnome-disks?
[17:18] <nemo> Speed_: so... you're currently booted from USB and you want to know how to access recovery mode from your main grub menu?
[17:18] <xangua> nemo: gnome disk, it's showed in dmesg, it mentions an error
[17:18] <nemo> ok
[17:19] <Speed_> yes
[17:19] <nemo> Speed_: IMO you'd be better off doing recovery from the USB - that is, reinstalling grub and/or running fsck
[17:19] <nemo> Speed_: it's much friendlier a recovery env
[17:19] <Speed_> i think my grub broke again
[17:20] <Speed_> how do i do that?
[17:20] <nemo> Speed_: ok. there should be instructions on the ubuntu wiki for mounting your drive and setting up grub again
[17:20] <nemo> Speed_: lemme dig 'em up
[17:20] <adamdesign> I think nemo deserves the gold star for managing to help three people at the same time.
[17:20] <xangua> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4FCXL64L
[17:20] <nemo> Speed_: it's pretty straightforward stuff and things linux folks are all too familiar w/
[17:20] <Richard_Cavell> nemo: Okay, well I think I'll leave it as "possibly slightly borked"
[17:20] <nemo> Speed_: ubuntu has a friendlier smart grub detection tho
[17:20] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: I'd keep an eye on what is using the CPU
[17:20] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: my inclination is to blame chrome 😉
[17:21] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: a CPU monitoring tool could tell you more.  you might want to try an unaccelerated desktop like XFCE4 or MATE too
[17:21] <Richard_Cavell> I'm using MATE!
[17:21] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: I don't know much about chrome, but Firefox about:support tells you whether it is using the GPU or not
[17:21] <thewillo> MATH!!!!
[17:21] <thewillo> You heathen
[17:21] <thewillo> *MATE
[17:21] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: you are! ok. well that's good 'cause you can try accelerated vs non
[17:21] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: see if accelerated works better than unaccelerated
[17:21] <nemo> or vice versa
[17:22] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: if you think your CPU is working too hard would bce nice to find the culprit - would still like to see your Xorg and dmesg logs
[17:22] <nemo> xangua: what's the error in dmesg?
[17:23] <nemo> Speed_: hm... I was unfamiliar with this one.  it looks even friendlier than the procedure I follow normally.
[17:23] <nemo> Speed_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[17:23] <Richard_Cavell> nemo: What do I type at the command line to give them to you?
[17:23] <nemo> Speed_: maybe try that on the USB first - it has a pretty gui
[17:23] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: dmesg > dmesg.txt
[17:23] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: then upload to the place of your choce
[17:23] <nemo> *choice
[17:23] <xangua> nemo: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4FCXL64L asking cache data failed, it's an adata
[17:24] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: the Xorg log is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log  - there might be an old one from the crash too - that would be even nicer to have
[17:24] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: that is /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[17:24] <nemo> xangua: oh wow
[17:24] <nemo> that's not good :/
[17:25] <nemo> xangua: if it's flat out some driver/disc controller problem there's not much I can think of to do
[17:25] <xangua> :-\
[17:25] <nemo> xangua: explains why it isn't showing up in gnome-disks
[17:25] <xangua> It's working on Windows tho
[17:25] <nemo> xangua: that implies driver then
[17:25] <xangua> Maybe, I'll check what format is
[17:25] <nemo> xangua: we could google for the manufacturer to check for status of linux support
[17:26] <nemo> xangua: I mean the low level driver talking to the disc, not the format - if it was format we would see it in gnome-disks / gparted
[17:26] <xangua> Ooh
[17:27] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: BTW. when the screen goes black, can you still ssh into it, or at least ctrl-alt-f1?
[17:27] <xangua> nemo: I just open it in another Linux distro
[17:27] <xangua> Live session
[17:28] <nemo> xangua: odd http://www.adata.com/us/specification/168
[17:28] <nemo> xangua: says linux support
[17:28] <nemo> interesting.
[17:28] <Richard_Cavell> nemo: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xmml2a0clivyx7p/AABgW70bAlS2-6qUTeGr4DJka?dl=0
[17:28] <nemo> xangua: so. exact same port, exact same machine, different linux distro/kernel works fine...
[17:28] <nemo> xangua: file a bug I guess ☺
[17:29] <Richard_Cavell> nemo: I don't have any way of ssh'ing, but I'll try the Ctrl-Alt-F1 next time
[17:29] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: and definitely keep an eye out for suspicious CPU usage. that can kill laptops for sure. even ones w/ awesome aluminium heat dissipating frames
[17:29] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: Minecraft used to do that to my tower until I added water cooling
[17:32] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: your dmesg looks pretty boring.  Can I see one of the old ones from /var/log/dmesg* ?
[17:32] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: one from about time of your last hang
[17:32] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: your Xorg doesn't look interesting either ☹
[17:33] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: it's using radeon, so you're definitely accelerated - could check to see if there are any recent bugs reported against radeon for your card..
[17:33] <Richard_Cavell> nemo: There is one file called /var/log/dmesg that reads: (Nothing has been logged yet.)
[17:34] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: there should be dmesg.0 then some gzipped ones
[17:34] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: like dmesg.1.gz
[17:34] <Richard_Cavell> No.  There's syslog
[17:34] <nemo> huh...
[17:34] <nemo> weird
[17:34] <nemo> due to unclean shutdown?
[17:34] <nemo> Richard_Cavell: there's not even a dmesg.0 ?
[17:34] <Richard_Cavell> http://ideone.com/qsVk6L
[17:35] <nemo> weird.
[17:35] <Speed_> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[17:35] <Speed_> should i follow this^
[17:36] <nemo> Speed_: so... that's the traditional way to do it. should work fine.  I just thought this grub-repair gui I linked you to might be friendlier
[17:36] <nemo> but I've never used it while I *have* done the commandline version ☺
[17:36] <nemo> so up to you 😉
[17:40] <untoreh> hello how do I enable ttys with systemd?
[17:40] <Speed_> i got to the grub-install /dev/sdb and it said grub-install error: canot find EFI directory
[17:41] <untoreh> I am running this ubuntu container and was trying to boot it up, but it hangs after the utmp systemd service
[17:41] <nemo> oh fun
[17:41] <nemo> Speed_: EFI ☹
[17:41] <Speed_> ?
[17:41] <nemo> Speed_: so. this is kinda important. are you using EFI or not?
[17:42] <Speed_> yes, i think
[17:42] <nemo> Speed_: if so, that's not a good error - the hope is you're just in legacy
[17:42] <untoreh> I imagine it only needs to load the ttys after that, but I remember I decimated the agetty services when I configured it as a container
[17:42] <nemo> in which case you can just specify a new target
[17:43] <ryzokuken> hey all!
[17:43] <Speed_> ?
[17:43] <ryzokuken> Could I somehow install software for zapus on xenial?
[17:43] <ryzokuken> I had this PPA which had a software for zapus but not for xenial
[17:43] <DarkPsydeLord> yes
[17:43] <nemo> Speed_: the disc mounted fine right? no errors? hm. maybe should have run an fsck first
[17:43] <ryzokuken> just installed LTS, have no plans to reinstall or upgrade
[17:43] <ryzokuken> DarkPsydeLord, how?
[17:44] <DarkPsydeLord> SOURCE!
[17:44] <nemo> Speed_: here's some legacy instructions https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Master_Boot_Record_.28MBR.29_specific_instructions  arch folks are good at getting into the weeds
[17:44] <ryzokuken> DarkPsydeLord, sounds like too much work :P
[17:44] <nemo> Speed_: just above it is the GPT stuff
[17:44] <oerheks> !uefi
[17:45] <nemo> Speed_: oooh that looks like a good link. yeah. maybe look into that first
[17:45] <nemo> Speed_: how'd you screw up your grub anyway? running disc repair in windows dual boot or something?
[17:45] <DarkPsydeLord> ryzokuken, then modify the ppa link changing the name at the file
[17:45] <Speed_> i dont know what i did, i was running steam and playing some games then i rebooted
[17:46] <Speed_> \i was also using wine
[17:46] <ryzokuken> DarkPsydeLord, is that safe?
[17:46] <nemo> Speed_: huh. none of that sounds in the least bit suspicious :/
[17:46] <DarkPsydeLord> ryzokuken, NO! thats why i suggested source
[17:46] <DarkPsydeLord> ryzokuken, but it works
[17:47] <oerheks> ryzokuken, don't mix versions
[17:47] <ryzokuken> DarkPsydeLord, okay, I will try building from source.
[17:48] <DarkPsydeLord> ryzokuken, just remember to use checkinstall instead of make install
[17:48] <DarkPsydeLord> so you create a package
[17:48] <ryzokuken> DarkPsydeLord, what if one of the dependencies is not available on xenial?
[17:48] <ryzokuken> sassc, for instance.
[17:48] <DarkPsydeLord> ryzokuken, you compile it also :)
[17:49] <ryzokuken> :)
[17:53] <gronke> hey guys, how do I run a find command on a CentOS system that will exclude the "Permission Denied" errors?
[17:54] <DarkPsydeLord> regex!
[17:54] <DJones> gronke: You probably need to ask the centos support channel
[17:55] <gronke> You dont think the command would probably work similiary in either? I'm thinking something like find / "myfile" 2> "Permissiond Denied" or something
[17:55] <ducasse> gronke: ask in #centos, this is #ubuntu
[17:56] <gronke> how would the command work in ubuntu
[17:56] <DJones> gronke: This channel only supports the official flavours of Ubuntu, we don't know what changes the centos devs have made
[17:56] <ducasse> gronke: they are there to help you, we are here to help ubuntu users
[17:56] <DJones> gronke: The same command on Ubuntu could trash your system, so you need toask the centos channel
[17:57] <gronke> I'll take that as you don't know the command. Thanks!
[18:03] <Speed_> i ran boot repair to generate a report
[18:03] <Speed_> http://paste2.org/
[18:03] <Speed_> i really thought that would be the paste url, sorry
[18:05] <Speed_> its only givving me that url for some reason
[18:07] <Speed_> https://paste2.org/9EA0zE3c
[18:07] <Speed_> there
[18:08] <Speed_> nemo: ^
[18:14] <nemo> 'k
[18:14] <nemo> Speed_: one moment. helping someone w/ a graphics problem on another network 😉
[18:14] <nemo> or maybe someone else here will step in 😝
[18:16] <Meerkat> I installed ubuntu gnome 17.04 and after install it boots up to a black screen with some lines of text and "OK" in green. It's a virtual machine.
[18:17] <Meerkat> known bug?
[18:19] <nemo> Speed_: it looks to me like boot repair is stuck 'cause you already mounted the disc follow the other instructions. maybe unmount it then rerun it
[18:19] <nemo> Speed_: there's also some mildly worrying stuff in there about start of sectors, but...
[18:20] <nemo> could start with that at least
[18:20] <jaydemir> what's the difference between sudo apt install and sudo apt-get install?
[18:20] <jaydemir> aside from maybe one being more yellow than the other in font color
[18:21] <nemo> O_o
[18:21] <nemo> the first one is a thing??
[18:22] <nemo> TIL
[18:22]  * nemo tries it
[18:22] <thewillo> jaydemir, apt offers different options, and apt-get is more useful but apt is quicker to type and has progress bars
[18:22] <nemo> huh. neat.
[18:23] <thewillo> I rarely use apt
[18:23] <thewillo> can apt get sources and download debs and run simulated installs to tell you what would change?
[18:23] <jaydemir> I do like the progress bar
[18:24] <thewillo> yeah, I like being about to get source with 1 command, all dependencies with another, download the package to install manually with another
[18:24] <thewillo> apt vs apt-get... we could make this a huge issue but lets not
[18:24] <Speed_> boot repair says my hdd is nearly full and that could be why its not booting
[18:24] <Speed_> nemo: ^
[18:25] <nemo> ok. so that's never good
[18:25] <Speed_> its telling me to delete files or move them
[18:25] <nemo> Speed_: and stuff like that is why once upon a time boot had dedicated partition for easier isolation/recovery - hell gpt does
[18:25] <nemo> Speed_: maybe clean out your apt cache folder for starters
[18:25] <Speed_> where is that?
[18:26] <nemo> still mildly surprised it totally failed to boot tho unless you are like totally full
[18:26] <nemo> Speed_: /var/cache/apt/archives
[18:26] <Speed_> i have 19 gb free space
[18:26] <nemo> WTF
[18:26]  * nemo looks at that boot-repair log again
[18:26] <Speed_> ?
[18:27] <nemo> aww. doesn't give space used ☹
[18:28] <sadtaco> I'm getting some error when I try to log into ubuntu before it goes back to the login screen. It flashes by too quick for me to read it.
[18:28] <^7heo> hey guise
[18:28] <Speed_> delete everything int he archiove foilder?
[18:28] <nemo> Speed_: oh. I wonder if it is looking at /dev/sda
[18:28] <^7heo> Is there a way on launchpad.net to access a source tarball for a given project/version (release)?
[18:28] <^7heo> s/release/& or tag/
[18:28] <Speed_> my boot drive is sdb
[18:28] <jaydemir> one more quick question. Trying to play an internet radio station and Clementine is saying I'm missing a gstreamer plugin
[18:28] <jaydemir> anyone know which in particular theyd be talking about?
[18:28] <Speed_> the one im trying to fix
[18:29] <nemo> Speed_: yeah. just wondering where boot-repair is getting that WTFism from
[18:29] <nemo> Speed_: obv the CD would be 100% ☺
[18:29] <nemo>   /dev/sdb2 ext4 221G 204G 6.6G 97% /media/ubuntu/079445a2-4dc5-49b9-a4dc-d0904503f641  well... that's kinda full
[18:29] <nemo> but shouldn't stop booting
[18:30] <adamdesign> nemo: Ignorant question, but: Would a filled up /boot folder also be a problem? I had a problem like that.
[18:30] <^7heo> nevermind, found it.
[18:30] <nemo> adamdesign: yeah, that has happened to me before too ☺
[18:30] <nemo> adamdesign: I'm reading the log he pastebinned - you could look it over too - seems he doesn't have a separate boot partition?
[18:30] <nemo> but maybe I'm misreading
[18:31] <nemo> adamdesign: sdb only has EFI, linux, swap - and efi has tons of room
[18:31] <nemo> adamdesign: linux doesn't have much, but still gigabytes left for boot
[18:31] <adamdesign> nemo: I could try, but I'm no expert
[18:31] <nemo> adamdesign: here's first log he posted https://paste2.org/9EA0zE3c
[18:31] <jaydemir> nevermind, this is a better question: is there a downside to just installing ALL the gstreamer plugins?
[18:31] <nemo> adamdesign: line 1160 has the recommended repair which sounds good. not sure why it didn't work - maybe he neglected sudo ☺
[18:33] <Speed_> i removed a coupple videos and treid the repair this is the report it generated after
[18:33] <Speed_> https://paste2.org/fhftDGKB
[18:35] <DJones> Speed_: Don't know if this is relevant but line 66 /dev/sda1 overlaps with /dev/sda2
[18:38] <Speed_> it says i can reboot so im going to try that, ill be back if im still having troubble
[18:39] <adamdesign> DJones: Would these instructions help? http://gparted.org/h2-fix-msdos-pt.php#overlapping-partitions
[18:40] <DJones> adamdesign: No idea, just noticed the error showing up in the pastebin
[18:40] <DJones> adamdesign: I've never had partion errors, so wouldn't even like to suggest a repair method
[18:42] <adamdesign> Speed_: Maybe overlapping partitions has something to do with it. GParted Live might be able to fix that: http://gparted.org/livecd.php
[18:42] <adamdesign> Speed_: http://gparted.org/h2-fix-msdos-pt.php#overlapping-partitions
[18:43] <DJones> adamdesign: They've quit the channel, won't get your messages
[18:48] <akik> the overlapping partitions comes from the ubuntu iso when you write it on an usb stick
[18:59] <leptone__> I'm trying to configure my EC2 fro email by following this tutorial https://elprespufferfish.net/blog/aws,mail/2015/09/03/mail-server-ec2.html
[18:59] <leptone__> But I'm getting this error "/etc/sysconfig/network" E212: Can't open file for writing
[18:59] <leptone__> when trying to write my HOSTNAME with VIM
[19:00] <leptone__> im on Ubuntu 14LTS
[19:00] <leptone__> i tried running vim with sudo
[19:01] <leptone__> or if i do
[19:01] <sadtaco> So how do I make it so I can read this error it's giving me when I attempt to log in to ubuntu 17.04 desktop?
[19:01] <leptone__> echo HOSTNAME=mail.revelworks.io > /etc/sysconfig/network
[19:01] <leptone__> i get
[19:01] <leptone__> -bash: /etc/sysconfig/network: No such file or directory
[19:01] <sadtaco> It flashes the errror then back to login prompt
[19:02] <leptone__> oh i see
[19:02] <leptone__> nvm :)
[19:04] <kenrin> Use hostnamectl
[19:05] <akik> leptone__: /etc/sysconfig/network is a rhel/centos thing
[19:05] <leptone__> akik: huh?
[19:05] <akik> leptone__: yes
[19:06] <akik> leptone__: lsb_release -a
[19:06] <leptone__> akik: Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS
[19:06] <Richard_Cavell> Is there a command-line program that prints a histogram of word length frequencies?  (like the K&R exercises)?
[19:07] <akik> leptone__: ok check that you follow ubuntu documentation then
[19:07] <leptone__> akik: issue was the path didn't exist
[19:07] <leptone__> i needed to create dir before i could write the file
[19:07] <akik> leptone__: /etc/sysconfig/network is a rhel/centos thing
[19:07] <kenrin> Did writing into sysconfig dir work on ubuntu?  lol
[19:07] <leptone__> akik: yeah i saw u said that
[19:08] <leptone__> so are you saying I dont need that?
[19:08] <akik> leptone__: it does nothing on ubuntu
[19:08] <sadtaco> Anyone? When I enter my password to log into ubuntu desktop, it flashes an error then goes back to the login prompt. I can't see what the error is.
[19:08] <leptone__> akik: how about /etc/hosts ?
[19:08] <kenrin> Drop to a shell and check logs sadtaco
[19:08] <akik> leptone__: that's on ubuntu too
[19:08] <sadtaco> which logs?
[19:08] <leptone__> akik: ok thx
[19:08] <sadtaco> I check uh xsession-errors but didn't see anything there
[19:09] <kenrin> For logins it should be..  secure?
[19:09] <leptone__> when I run sudo yum install postfix
[19:09] <leptone__> it tells me:There are no enabled repos.
[19:10] <leptone__> Does anyone know how I add this repo for Yum
[19:10] <sadtaco> I don't think it's an actual login error
[19:10] <sadtaco> I think it's probably a graphics error
[19:10] <sadtaco> I can log into a tty fine
[19:10] <leptone__> I can seem to find anything, all the articles I see just start with sudo yum install postfix
[19:11] <kenrin> Stop looking at RHEL articles when you are on ubuntu
[19:11] <akik> leptone__: don't follow rhel/centos guide :)
[19:11] <leptone__> akik: is that what im doing?
[19:11] <akik> leptone__: yes
[19:12] <dopiwan> Anyone seen stability issues running Ubuntu 16.04 Desktop on ESXi 6.5?   Things seem to go south once I install VMware tools no matter which i use (e.g. install from host, apt install open-vm-tools or open-vm-tools-desktop)  VMware support are not helping ><
[19:13] <leptone__> akik: why is yum specific to centos?
[19:14] <Pici> !yum
[19:14] <Exterminador> because apt is specific for debian bases distros?
[19:15] <kenrin> Because a guy at redhat created yum for rhel|centos ?
[19:15] <Exterminador> like Debian, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, etc
[19:15] <Exterminador> ^
[19:15] <Exterminador> that also
[19:15] <leptone__> Does anyone know a resource for setting up a webserver on an EC2 with ubuntu 14?
[19:16] <kenrin> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/httpd.html
[19:18] <sadtaco> well
[19:18] <sadtaco> dmesg is showing segfaults for apport-gtk and compiz
[19:18] <sadtaco> maybe that's it?
[19:18] <kenrin> Maybe,  or that could be faults just because pam wouldn't allow you to log in
[19:18] <DarkPsydeLord> whaaaat
[19:19] <DarkPsydeLord> theres nothing like sad tacos! every taco is happy, tacos makes everyone happy.
[19:19] <sadtaco> kenrin, true.
[19:19] <sadtaco> Well I'm not really seeing anything in syslog either
[19:19] <kenrin> And the xsession-errors nothing?   Not even a .profile typo or something ?
[19:20] <sadtaco> ill double check
[19:20] <kenrin> The only decent thing coming up in a google search is somehow the .Xauthority got modified in the home dir and needs to be deleted
[19:20] <kenrin> Either way creating a new user and migrating your files|settings will fix
[19:21] <kenrin> s/will/should
[19:21] <sadtaco> "couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig"
[19:22] <sadtaco> looks like i should remove xorg.conf
[19:22] <sadtaco> and reboot
[19:53] <rek> hi can i ask you a question about openvpn?
[19:53] <leftyfb> !ask | rek
[20:23] <pylearner1> I need advice on upgrading ruby to the latest for ubuntu 14.04
[20:24] <pylearner1> the ruby that is there is version 1.9 in the default repo
[20:24] <tharkun> Good $DAY I need to install ubuntu server software on an old laptop I was looking for "A "network install" or "netinst" CD is a single CD which enables you to install the entire operating system. This single CD contains just the minimal amount of software to start the installation and fetch the remaining packages over the Internet." but I am unable to find it.
[20:24] <tharkun> That was taken from the Debian website.
[20:27] <tomreyn> pylearner1: you could upgrade ubuntu or look for a PPA which provides the version you desire.
[20:28] <pylearner1> found a howto on stackoverflow maybe this will work
[20:28] <tomreyn> maybe it will, and maybe you'll break your system.
[20:28] <tharkun> And also If I can be indulged maybe how to get the iso into a usb since the CD drive is busted. And the wifi card is a tplink one.
[20:29] <tomreyn> !mini | tharkun
[20:31] <tharkun> tomreyn: Is that different from the netboot install image?
[20:32] <tomreyn> tharkun: debian's? yes, it differs. it's ubuntu.
[20:37] <arifuzzaman> can anyone help me about enabling drag-and-drop in Ubuntu 16.04? It's not working for most of the application.
[20:45] <BrokenSD> Hey Everybody. As my nick indicate I have a bad SD card, I have tried everything in my power to access it, but without any luck. The results of what I already have tried can be found here https://paste.ubuntu.com/24991593/ and now I'm wondering if anyone in here might have any idears to save any of the data on the card
[20:50] <tharkun> When is 14.04 eol?
[20:52] <akik> tharkun: 2019
[20:55] <tharkun> akik: Thanks
[20:56] <tharkun> What is the ubuntu method to make an usb "bootable" with the 14.04 image on it?
[21:00] <akik> tharkun: just write the iso to the stick with dd
[21:00] <tharkun> akik: Thanks
[21:01] <akik> tharkun: that is, the ubuntu iso
[21:01] <tharkun> Yes I figured that part out :)
[21:01] <tharkun> As for the TP-Link network wifi card Should I expect trouble?
[21:02] <tharkun> Wifi cards are usually a pita on other distros. Should I expect ubuntu to have that figured out?
[21:02] <akik> tharkun: if you know the wifi chip model you can make a web search for it
[21:02] <akik> tharkun: yes it's sometimes hit and miss
[21:03] <akik> especially with wifi
[21:03] <tharkun> The machine is currently on Windows and I'm slowly downloading the iso so I get the relevant data out. If someone tells me how to extract it.
[21:03] <akik> tharkun: you can find the device in windows' device manager
[21:04] <tharkun> Dell Wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-Card
[21:05] <akik> tharkun: you can also get more detailed model if you go into the details in another tab
[21:05] <akik> tharkun: i forgot what the menu was but it'll say something about hardward ids
[21:06] <CoderEurope> Does anyone know how to get the password dialogue box off my chrome-browser ? really annoyin' !
[21:08] <akik> tharkun: some web search result suggests it's a broadcom card
[21:10] <tharkun> akik: Out of experience I suspected it. But the Windows GUI doesn't display any useful information.
[21:10] <akik> tharkun: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[21:11] <mwsd> Done! =)
[21:13] <tharkun> akik DEV_4315 I believe that is bad luck :(
[21:13] <mwsd> So, I want to ask something... I'm having issue with linkedin site using firefox with ubuntu 16.04; someone is having it too?
[21:13] <mwsd> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1205110
[21:13] <akik> tharkun: what do you mean?
[21:14] <Bashing-om> CoderEurope: Keyring? Then : Close Chrome. Open the file manager, press ctrl+H or show hidden files from menu, go to .local/share/keyrings, move the content to some backup place. Then logout and log back in. Open Chrome, there will be a pop up asking you to set a keyring password, leave it blank, confirm, then it shouldn't bother you anymore. If everything works, you can delete the backup you saved
[21:14] <Bashing-om> earlier.
[21:15] <akik> tharkun: oh i see 4315 is not listed. you could still try ndis-wrapper
[21:15] <akik> tharkun: that will try to use the windows driver in linux
[21:16] <tharkun> akik: Lets not get to that point yet. It will be depressing ndiswrapper is not the best of options.
[21:16] <akik> tharkun: yes
[21:23] <tharkun> Is the ubuntu-14.04.5-server-amd64.iso meant for a headless server?
[21:24] <oerheks> basicly yes.
[21:24] <antilogic> hi is there a way to call bash script from one directory as if i were from another?
[21:25] <m4dh4tt4> ~/scripts/script_name.sh
[21:25] <m4dh4tt4>  /home/user/scripts/script_name.sh
[21:25] <oerheks> antilogic, use the full path
[21:25] <sandshaman> you need to use absolute full path
[21:26] <m4dh4tt4> should or need?
[21:26] <bree_> i suppose it's not because of the browser nor the os, tho
[21:26] <bree_> lol. nevermind
[21:26] <antilogic> i mean i want the script to think its called from its own directory
[21:27] <antilogic> even tho i call it from anywhere
[21:27] <m4dh4tt4> in script : cd /where/you/want/
[21:27] <oerheks> if the folder is in your path, the script could be called without path, i guess
[21:29] <m4dh4tt4> also if youre in  /home/user and you script is in /home/user/scripts/ you can $: ./scripts/1.sh
[21:30] <m4dh4tt4> sounds like u just need trial and error, may i recommend commands pwd and ls within script :P
[21:31] <antilogic> i just have a build.sh that builds my files, it takes files from ../src relative to it
[21:31] <antilogic> and i want to be able to call it form anywher
[21:31] <antilogic> e
[21:33] <antilogic> i tried cd path in script and it worked
[21:33] <antilogic> thank
[21:33] <antilogic> s
[21:33] <tharkun> antilogic: pwd is your present working directory and you might as well use relative paths and check for the file if it exists or not. Be sure to check that you are using bash or whatever shell you might want to use.
[21:42] <CoderEurope> #How do I get out of a QeMu virtual window - I cannot get back into Ubuntu behind it. ?
[21:43] <tharkun> IIRC ctrl-c will let you call the undelying OS but google can give you a better answer.
[21:50] <CoderEurope> tried google - still cant exit qemu !!?!
[21:51] <adamdesign> CoderEurope: Is it in full screen or something? Maybe you could try right-ctrl + f (from VirtualBox)
[21:52] <akik> CoderEurope: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/107633/how-do-i-get-my-mouse-back-from-qemu-kvm
[21:52] <CoderEurope> Not full screen (yet) - just cannot exit it.
[21:52] <CoderEurope> akik, thankyou
[21:54] <CoderEurope> Ctrl + Alt + G doesnot work thou. :(
[21:54] <tharkun> CoderEurope: Enter the host machine using ssh and kill the kvm process. Done you are out.
[21:54] <tharkun> That is radical 6 on a 1..10 scale the ultimate is pull the plug on the host.
[21:55] <CoderEurope> tharkun, what do I type ?#
[21:56] <tharkun> CoderEurope: Pull the plug.
[21:56] <CoderEurope> what just turn the machine off ?
[21:56] <adamdesign> CoderEurope: I think that's what he means :0)
[21:56] <CoderEurope> really ?
[21:57] <CoderEurope> surely theres a shortcut I missed ?#
[21:57] <fishcooker> # killall qemu CoderEurope
[21:57] <tharkun> For the time beeing yes. Then do your homework and research kvm/qemu nicely
[21:57] <CoderEurope> he doesn't know, then.
[21:57] <tharkun> fishcooker: Supposing he has host acces.
[21:57] <tharkun> Which he doesn't
[21:57] <fishcooker> noted tharkun
[21:58] <tharkun> Ctr-Alt should make the pointer appear or some combination of keys
[21:58] <CoderEurope> i killed it.
[21:58] <fishcooker> anyone use alarm... for desktop notification or even cli?
[21:59] <tharkun> CoderEurope: Congrats now get you nose into the qemu/kvm manual and draft your way out of it. I recomend you ssh into your vm machine and work there.
[21:59] <tharkun> It is usually safer and faster.
[21:59] <minimec> CoderEurope: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/107634
[22:00] <tharkun> CoderEurope: And never, ever trust an IRC one liner. Do your research and be certain of what the command people are proposing you does.
[22:03] <tharkun> akik: for /dev/sdb1 I need root or regular user should suffice ( dd command)
[22:05] <rek> in ubuntu 14.04 i don't have systemctl how can i run $sudo systemctl start openvpn@server ?
 sudo /etc/init.d/openvpn restart but i can't specify the config file @server does
[22:08] <Frickelpit> rek: service openvpn@server start
[22:08] <rek> let me try
[22:08] <tharkun> rek: openvpn will look into a subdir for config files if it finds them it will set the proper tunnels
[22:08] <tharkun> rek: /etc/init.d/openvpn start should work
[22:08] <tharkun> man openvpn for further details.
[22:09] <rek> unrecognized service
[22:09] <rek> tharkun, already did it
[22:09] <rek> but it didn't create the tun device
[22:10] <rek> i don't have any up and down script in /etc/openvpn now
[22:17] <pavlos> rek: you should have /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf
[22:18] <pavlos> rek: this may help ... https://github.com/masterkorp/openvpn-update-resolv-conf
[22:20] <sadtaco> So my motherboard BIOS sees 7 GPUs fine plugged in fine, but Ubuntu is only seeing 4.
[22:23] <pavlos> sadtaco: ubuntu probably lists 4x2 ... take a look at /proc/cpuinfo
[22:23] <crazycoder> hello
[22:23] <sadtaco> Nope. That's not it
[22:23] <crazycoder> could anyone explain me why it does not remove the files ?
[22:23] <sadtaco> Nvidia driver and programs see 4
[22:23] <crazycoder> * * * * * /bin/rm -rf /tmp/tika* > /dev/null 2>&1
[22:23] <crazycoder> ?
[22:25] <BrokenSD> Hey Everybody. As my nick indicate I have a bad SD card, I have tried everything in my power to access it, but without any luck. The results of what I already have tried can be found here https://paste.ubuntu.com/24991593/ and now I'm wondering if anyone in here might have any idears to save any of the data on the card
[22:25] <sadtaco> And /proc/cpuinfo is the cpu..
[22:26] <pavlos> sadtaco: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor gives me 0 up to 7 for my 8 core cpu
 So my motherboard BIOS sees 7 GPUs fine plugged in fine, but Ubuntu is only seeing 4.
[22:28] <adamdesign> BrokenSD: It may need to be formatted.  Do you have GParted? Does it show up in there?
[22:30] <Seveas> sadtaco: seeing how?
[22:30] <adamdesign> BrokenSD: Happened to my flash drive recently. Usually, nothing works but formatting and using "photorec" to get data back
[22:32] <sadtaco> Seveas, applications that can you more than 4 GPUs don't see them, nvidia-smi doesn't see them, nvidia x server config tool doesnt see them
[22:35] <Seveas> sadtaco: does lspci see them?
[22:36] <sadtaco> Seveas, yes :)
[22:37] <BrokenSD> adamdesign: But wouldn't some of the data be overritten if i format the card? And then be harder to recover? :/
[22:38] <Seveas> sadtaco: anything from dmesg about them?
[22:39] <Seveas> maybe your powersupply doesn't have enough oomph to power them all?
[22:39] <Bizzeh> BrokenSD: quick format just recreates the MBR/partition table, which is the first 512bytes, which is reserved for the partition table
[22:40] <adamdesign> BrokenSD: It's possible, but the most common thing that overwrites data is the user himself. Before he realizes he deleted a file, he creates new ones and those overwrite the space where the old file was.
[22:40] <Bizzeh> file recovery tools are pretty good these days if you point them to the drive straight away
[22:40] <adamdesign> BrokenSD: photorec has always worked well for me, after deleting things.
[22:41] <adamdesign> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download
[22:41] <Seveas> instead of formatting, just use dd to take an image of the drive and run photorec on that.
[22:41] <BrokenSD> Thanks alot Bizzeh and adamdesign I'll try quick formatting it :)
[22:41] <Seveas> Once satisfied with the results, then you can do potentially destructive things on the sd crad
[22:41] <Bizzeh> adamdesign: do what Seveas said
[22:42] <Bizzeh> that is actually how a phorensic analyst would do it to avoid accidentally destroying the disc
[22:42] <Seveas> s/ph/f/
[22:42] <edwinksl> ^
[22:42] <Bizzeh> yeah, i was unsure, so i went ph
[22:42]  * Bizzeh is somewhat drunk
[22:43] <Seveas> Don't need to be drunk to make selling mistakes, but it helps :)
[22:43] <adamdesign> Seveas: Neat idea. I'll remember that next time...
[22:43] <Seveas> see, can't even spell spelling properly... (nope. No alcohol involved)
[22:44] <BrokenSD> uhh I'll look at the dd first thanks Seveas
[22:44] <sadtaco> Seveas, it definitely has enough juice for them
[22:44] <sadtaco> especially at idle
[22:45] <sadtaco> well how can I actually search dmesg for something relevant?
[22:45] <tomreyn> BrokenSD: i did not follow the conversation - but if there's a chance that the physical media is (partially) defective then you want to use gddrescue instead of just dd.
[22:49] <h0par> hi
[22:50] <BrokenSD> thanks tomreyn I'll also take a look at gddrescue also :D
[22:50] <h0par> how can I write to file atomic way?
[22:51] <h0par> in my example I need to write from stdin
[22:56] <Seveas> h0par: define 'atomic way'. A single write(2) is atomic, in that simultaneous readers won't ever see that bit of content half written in most filesystems, but that may not be what you're after...
[22:57] <Seveas> sadtaco: not sure. But if there's something wrong with them, generally it'll be detected at boot, so in the first couple of minutes after boot (use dmesg -T for easy reading)
[22:58] <sadtaco> I tried like dmesg | grep 'Nvidia' and such
[22:58] <h0par> Seveas: I generate images on the fly and then compile a video with ffmpeg. If ffmpeg reads while writing there are errors
[22:58] <sadtaco> same for gpu, graphics. Got nothing
[22:58] <Seveas> sadtaco: grep -i? And have you rebooted recently? the kernel ring buffer is limited in size
[22:59] <Seveas> h0par: so don't start ffmpeg until you generated all images?
[22:59] <Seveas> once you close()d all image files, ffmpeg should read them just fine.
[23:00] <h0par> Seveas: that would be straightforward but not the case, streaming live here
[23:00] <sadtaco> yes i just booted after putting the cards in
[23:02] <h0par> right now I write to tmp file then mv it to actual file and it works fine, but I'd like to use it all in piping
[23:03] <h0par> like `gen /dev/stdout | echo-atomic file.png`
[23:04] <tomreyn> sounds like https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/25372/turn-off-buffering-in-pipe is what you're actually looking for.
[23:06] <tomreyn> though you should probably prefer a network stream over piping.
[23:08] <h0par> tomreyn: could you tell more about network stream?
[23:13] <sadtaco-remote> okay
[23:13] <tomreyn> h0par: think of vlc, it can take input form a network stream, that's a lot more efficient than storing single images to disk and loading them one by one, and still much more efficient than ingesting data through a pipe.
[23:13] <sadtaco-remote> The dmesg -T is too long to pastebin
[23:13] <sadtaco-remote> I see it initializing things for 4 of the GPUs but nothing about the others, though
[23:13] <sadtaco-remote> wait maybe i do see some error
[23:14] <h0par> tomreyn: If I understand you right, then I use network stream at some point
[23:14] <tomreyn> h0par: i have not checked but would assume that ffmpeg / avcons can do similar.
[23:15] <h0par> yes, that's exactly how/why I use ffmpeg here, but first I need to supply images to generate stream
[23:15] <tomreyn> h0par: basically i don't know your architecture, i am just suggesting to consider changing it since it sounds inefficient. but this is really way beyond the prupose of this channel.
[23:15] <sadtaco-remote> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9026124 seems to show the issues
[23:16] <sadtaco-remote> [Fri Jun 30 19:08:40 2017] NVRM: This PCI I/O region assigned to your NVIDIA device is invalid: ... and... [Fri Jun 30 19:08:40 2017] nvidia: probe of 0000:08:00.0 failed with error -1 for example.
[23:16] <h0par> tomreyn: can you direct me to proper channel for pipes/streams etc.?
[23:17] <h0par> I understand it's not ubuntu specific, what's right one for unix tooling questions?
[23:17] <tomreyn> h0par: i don't know what would be the proper place, i'm not really into A/V processing, but that's where i'd expect you could find some better suggestions than i could provide.
[23:18] <sadtaco-remote> and this is with proprietary drivers...
[23:18] <tomreyn> h0par: i dont thnk it's a matter of unix tooling but of application architecture design.
[23:19] <tomreyn> h0par: you are, of course, welcome to discuss the use of pipes and in- and output redirection here.
[23:19] <h0par> tomreyn: I'll rephrase my question then, thanks
[23:20] <sadtaco-remote> wait.. this might be a better clue: "NVRM: This PCI I/O region assigned to your NVIDIA device is invalid: NVRM: BAR1 is 0M @ 0x0 (PCI:0000:08:00.0) NVRM: The system BIOS may have misconfigured your GPU."
[23:24] <h0par> I have a program which writes (image) buffer to file or stdout, but during write file appears invalid
[23:24] <h0par> currently I write to another file then move it to desired location, which is momentary
[23:25] <sadtaco-remote> Anyway it seems I have something configured wrong in the BIOS that prevents more than 4 GPUs from being recognized by the OS, but I'm not sure what. I disabled onboard audio, dropped PCIe down to gen2.  The BIOS has an output for GPUs and I see them all in there so the BIOS sees them but an OS doesn't.
[23:25] <h0par> but I want to avoid using write; mv sequence using pipes or whatever is better to make it one command
[23:26] <h0par> for personal reasons
[23:27] <dprophit> The #courier channel remains dead. Anyone in here who can give advice about maildrop books or resource? The man pages are confusing.
[23:33] <kristhian> hello guys, anyone of you here knows a good voip server for ubuntu that can work in business like BPO's?
[23:33] <kristhian> or any suggestion about that?
[23:36] <vlt> kristhian: I use asterisk on Ubuntu for more than 10 years now.
[23:37] <kristhian> ill check that one out later
[23:38] <kristhian> does voip allows connection from an outside phone call?
[23:38] <kristhian> can it do that?
[23:38] <dprophit> I think astericks has their own IRC channel
[23:38] <dprophit> You can also get books from the library
[23:39] <vlt> kristhian: Of course.
[23:39] <kristhian> vlt, thanks
[23:39] <kristhian> dprophit, thanks
[23:40] <kristhian> ill be back later
[23:40] <Seveas> h0par: it's impossible to write an entire file in one atomic syscall. The only way to do it is tempfiles and mv, as you are already doing
[23:40] <vlt> kristhian: Just checked my log files: ~1,240,000 calls in the last 4 years.
[23:41] <Seveas> h0par: open(...) creates an empty file. write(...) writes to it, but only an fsync(...) or close(...) guarantees that other processes will see the content
[23:41] <Seveas> and images are more than likely too large for a single write() anyway, so more atomicity lost.
[23:46] <sadtaco> alright
[23:46] <sadtaco> I want to install 16.0.4 when I already have 17 installed.  What's the easy way to keep my user directory and carry it over into the new install?
[23:47] <Seveas> make a backup on a usb drive, reinstall, put the backup back
[23:52] <h0par> Seveas: thanks, now I can move on
[23:57] <sadtaco> Hmmm lol.  I have limited USB