| EleanorEllis | Would LXDE be a lighter weight faster environment than XFCE? | 03:09 |
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| EleanorEllis | Would LXDE be a lighter weight faster environment than XFCE? I am running Ubuntu Studio on an old laptop with only 8GB of RAM and it slows down a lot. I am wondering if I could improve things by changing to LXDE. I do some video and audio editing and processing plus recording and photograph editing, plus desktop publishing | 03:19 |
| EleanorEllis | For example I have a problem when I my partner is watching video on one screen and I and looking up information in multiple browser windows. | 03:25 |
| OvenWerks | 8GB sounds like a lot. I rarely use more than about 4GB out of 8 on my machine. with 4 desktops two monitors wide avaerage 8 windows per workspace. Lots of tabs in Firefox (40 or so) i5 in it. | 03:49 |
| OvenWerks | I don't know that the DE is going to be the limit... Use top or htop and look at the memory and cpu each thing is using. | 03:51 |
| EleanorEllis | OvenWerks: Thanks | 03:58 |
| studio-user091 | hello | 06:24 |
| L00P3X | GoodAfternoon | 13:23 |
| bree | anyone there? | 13:54 |
| L00P3X | bree, yes I ^^.. | 14:12 |
| L00P3X | sometimes you just have to ask. someone would like to respond you.. later or soon :\ | 14:14 |
| bree | okay :) could you tell me if it is possible to get the standard ubuntu environment on ubuntu studio working? | 14:30 |
| L00P3X | you mean the gnome desktop? whit sidebar? | 14:31 |
| bree | yup i suppose | 14:32 |
| L00P3X | UbuntuStidio uses xfce, this is good because it to not take a lot of memory.. install it is just easy as go back to xfce.. | 14:39 |
| L00P3X | but i kann't assicure you that my way will fill all dependencies.. i do it before from unity or gnome to lxde to save memori | 14:40 |
| bree | whats unity? | 14:40 |
| bree | and which daw do you use? if you're using one | 14:40 |
| L00P3X | i'm on ubuntu studio now ^^ whit xfce.. as defoult | 14:42 |
| bree | and whats unity? | 14:42 |
| L00P3X | unity should be the ubuntu desktop.. gnome the debian one.. | 14:42 |
| L00P3X | it's not difficoult to installa new desktop.. just lounch sudo apt-get install gnome and you are done.. exit session and at the login click on the gear, select gnome and you are done | 14:45 |
| L00P3X | bon ubuntu studio you have to click at the top on tge xfce icon.. and select gnome.. I personaly installed lxde along xfce.. for memory saving.. | 14:46 |
| bree | okay sounds interesting, and how's that dock thingy called. Elementary os is based on it i figure | 14:48 |
| L00P3X | but you bether wait someone else respond to.. i will not make troubles to you becouse i never do it.. | 14:48 |
| bree | okay, so you're not 100 % sure... | 14:48 |
| bree | well, it's freshly installed anyway | 14:48 |
| L00P3X | #ubuntu will help you for shure.. | 14:49 |
| L00P3X | bree, no.. should work this way but get support over #ubuntu too :\ | 14:50 |
| L00P3X | bree_, are you on? | 15:36 |
| OvenWerks | bree_: The vanilla ubuntu desktop environment (unity) has been found difficult to get working well with profesional audio. Not impossible for sure, some people have done so though. | 15:36 |
| bree_ | okay, thanks for the information guys. | 15:37 |
| OvenWerks | you can install ubuntu and just add the ubuntustudio metas you require (audio, audio core , etc. | 15:37 |
| L00P3X | OvenWerks does it right.. | 15:38 |
| bree_ | doesn't matter | 15:38 |
| bree_ | i got ubuntu studio installed all the way | 15:38 |
| bree_ | it's not that i lack the hdd space or so | 15:38 |
| bree_ | nor the hardware resources | 15:39 |
| L00P3X | start discovering it ^^ it's full of surprises | 15:39 |
| OvenWerks | you will probably need ubuntustudio-controls to fix the way ubuntu normally installs jackd... | 15:39 |
| OvenWerks | OK | 15:39 |
| OvenWerks | enjoy. | 15:39 |
| L00P3X | Ovenwerks, i also have some questions.. you may stay around another bit? | 15:43 |
| OvenWerks | Ask away.. | 15:43 |
| L00P3X | for shure my computer do not fulfitt a working standard.. but the magior desseas thath i go trough jet are a 46,9 latency lak over jack.. and some l2v plugins thath coredump ardour.. | 15:44 |
| L00P3X | also seems that pyton-uniconverter have some trouble to work over inkscape by saving some .plt .. i didn't have it could be done | 15:45 |
| OvenWerks | inkscape questions I don't know... not a graphics person. | 15:48 |
| OvenWerks | are you using calf lv2s? | 15:48 |
| L00P3X | exactly ^^.. have to rout it trough jack.. my latency actuali is 69,7 | 15:48 |
| OvenWerks | calf lv2s use gtk as their GUI which conflicts with the version Ardour uses + crash | 15:49 |
| OvenWerks | calf plugins have other problems as well | 15:49 |
| L00P3X | seen some have ladspa too.. work great.. even other midi instrument make coredump ardour.. will list it and let the channel know | 15:50 |
| OvenWerks | they look nice but the internals have had some problems. | 15:50 |
| L00P3X | will work around it whit jack ^^.. and will need a new pc for a good low latency i guess | 15:51 |
| OvenWerks | No plugin should use gtk or qt as the GUI toolkit. A plugin should be a static build and not use system libs. Many plugin builders don't understand this. | 15:51 |
| OvenWerks | low latency requires some work sometimes. | 15:52 |
| L00P3X | i tried to work around buffer and fotograms.. and will not do it again whit gambling the values.. jack crashes a way i have to restar the pc | 15:53 |
| OvenWerks | Are you using a USB interface? | 15:53 |
| L00P3X | i have.. | 15:54 |
| OvenWerks | have you tryed with it plugged into all the different usb ports? | 15:54 |
| OvenWerks | Often at least one of the USB ports shares irq with other things | 15:55 |
| L00P3X | have a makie 12 mixer connectet trough jack.. Never had problems whit it! only i can't use internal pc speakers as audio out.. becouse of latency.. have to use the out of tha mixer.. what could mean that when i encrease the usb volume i get like a mic near a box | 15:55 |
| OvenWerks | USB audio interfaces should never be plugged into a USB hub with other things like mouse (very bad) or whatever | 15:55 |
| L00P3X | some problems.. and seen thath this way.. mixerinMixerOut, also decrease a lot the audio i record | 15:56 |
| L00P3X | have a laptop.. use only 2 port.. one midi and one for the mixer | 15:56 |
| OvenWerks | my laptop had one port on the right and two on the left | 15:57 |
| L00P3X | 3 at one side in my case.. | 15:58 |
| OvenWerks | I had to have my audio interface plugged into the right and everything else on the left. I could not even use both ports on the right because they were both the same hub internally | 15:58 |
| L00P3X | have this pc since 8 years now.. linux just saved his life | 15:59 |
| L00P3X | would only understand 2 thing.. how i could reduce the latency.. and how could i record, for example, whitout tha mixer, aeolus in ardour | 16:00 |
| OvenWerks | if you just plug in your mixer and run dmesg ... you will get tons of output :) but the last few lines should tell yu which USB port you just plugged in | 16:00 |
| L00P3X | one second i move to my room.. had to do a work whit my dad | 16:00 |
| OvenWerks | If you do this with each port, you can find out if they are internally hubbed or not. Also you can run cat /proc/interupts | 16:01 |
| OvenWerks | you may be able to tell if one of those ports are sharing an IRQ with something else | 16:01 |
| L00P3X | i will be back soon.. have to go one moment. | 16:02 |
| OvenWerks | no prob | 16:02 |
| L00P3X | 5-10 minutes, thank you | 16:02 |
| L00P3X | OvenWerks, i'm back ^^.. used to dmesg.. and think there is some sharing becouse i only pluged the mixer in and read about the midi controler | 16:22 |
| L00P3X | seems i have the midi controler registered on port 2.. and the mixer on 3.. cat /proc/interupts (no file or directory).. | 16:32 |
| L00P3X | i'm very grateful for your help.. is not such easy as alone.. | 16:37 |
| OvenWerks | in /etc/default/rtirq therer is a line: RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="snd_ice snd_ens enp3s0" | 16:51 |
| OvenWerks | The part in the quotes will be different on yours. | 16:51 |
| OvenWerks | you probably want to change that to be "usb2 snd usb" | 16:52 |
| OvenWerks | This puts your mixer at a higher priority than your internal audio as well as your mouse etc. | 16:53 |
| OvenWerks | Sorry I have that backwards : ""usb2 snd usb" | 16:54 |
| OvenWerks | Sorry I have that backwards : "usb3 snd usb" | 16:54 |
| OvenWerks | you want to separate the port with you audio interface and make it first | 16:55 |
| L00P3X | should i make you a pastebin? ^^ | 16:56 |
| OvenWerks | of what? | 16:56 |
| L00P3X | i don't know xD.. | 16:57 |
| L00P3X | i have this line.. RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="snd usb i8042" | 16:57 |
| OvenWerks | change it to RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="usb3 snd usb" | 16:57 |
| OvenWerks | the i8042 no longer needs to be prioritzed with later kernels and audio software | 16:58 |
| OvenWerks | And I have found that internal audio interfaces have a minimum latency of jackd set to 64/3 but your mixer may be able to do 32/2 as others have been able to go that low on their usb IF | 17:00 |
| L00P3X | because desmeg says this: hid-generic 0003:08BB:29B3.0002: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.00 Device [Burr-Brown from TI USB Audio CODEC ] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2/input3 | 17:00 |
| L00P3X | it's right to ad it as 3 over rtirq | 17:01 |
| OvenWerks | There should be some other lines in a group that give usb port number in an easier format to read | 17:01 |
| L00P3X | ? | 17:01 |
| L00P3X | this was imput | 17:01 |
| OvenWerks | I am not sure from that if it is usb2 or 3 | 17:02 |
| OvenWerks | maybe paste the last 10 or 20 lines from dmesg | 17:02 |
| OvenWerks | (to a paste site) | 17:02 |
| L00P3X | shure ^^ | 17:02 |
| L00P3X | i turn of the mixer.. plug out the cable and make a fresh one | 17:03 |
| OvenWerks | When I plugin a USB stick, I get a bunch of lines with usb 3-7: I think that means it is on usb3 | 17:04 |
| L00P3X | i found this: perf: interrupt took too long (6194 > 6171), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 32000 | 17:04 |
| OvenWerks | The 7 means there is an internal hub and this is port 7 of the hub. | 17:04 |
| OvenWerks | The port beside it says usb3-11... not very helpful | 17:06 |
| L00P3X | hope this is to much https://pastebin.com/LFBfad32 | 17:07 |
| L00P3X | isn't | 17:07 |
| OvenWerks | so usb4 then | 17:08 |
| L00P3X | i have only 3 :\ | 17:08 |
| OvenWerks | The chip inside that does usb has more. some of them are used internally for touchpad, camera (if you have one) etc. | 17:09 |
| OvenWerks | Some of them are not connected at all | 17:09 |
| L00P3X | so I go along whit RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="usb4 snd usb" | 17:10 |
| OvenWerks | yes | 17:10 |
| OvenWerks | back in bit | 17:11 |
| jmeteor | i use lsusb command to see what's plugged where on the usb ports | 17:11 |
| L00P3X | me too! will give it a try later.. hope to see ya soon.. thank you a lot | 17:11 |
| L00P3X | Ovenwerk, edited rtirq and rebooted the system.. will come around often ^^ hope to get things done.. step by step.. from time to time | 17:44 |
| L00P3X | bree_, you made it? ^^ | 19:33 |
| bree_ | nah, but it's alright. | 19:33 |
| bree_ | do you know how to fix it, when you got like shift bound to alt & ctrl? | 19:34 |
| L00P3X | it's a really lightweight os.. what you could do is put the bar at the bottom like i did | 19:34 |
| L00P3X | i don't know what you mean :\ | 19:34 |
| bree_ | like instead of having a normal ctrl key or alt key on the keyboard, it gives me shift instead of the actual key | 19:35 |
| bree_ | or the function of the key | 19:35 |
| L00P3X | you maybe have the wrong keyboard set up.. had the same problem. i chose italian but it happened englisch | 19:36 |
| L00P3X | just go all settings, keyboard, map | 19:37 |
| L00P3X | bree_, see you later | 20:16 |
| bree_ | good day mate | 20:53 |
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