[03:09] Would LXDE be a lighter weight faster environment than XFCE? [03:19] Would LXDE be a lighter weight faster environment than XFCE? I am running Ubuntu Studio on an old laptop with only 8GB of RAM and it slows down a lot. I am wondering if I could improve things by changing to LXDE. I do some video and audio editing and processing plus recording and photograph editing, plus desktop publishing [03:25] For example I have a problem when I my partner is watching video on one screen and I and looking up information in multiple browser windows. [03:49] 8GB sounds like a lot. I rarely use more than about 4GB out of 8 on my machine. with 4 desktops two monitors wide avaerage 8 windows per workspace. Lots of tabs in Firefox (40 or so) i5 in it. [03:51] I don't know that the DE is going to be the limit... Use top or htop and look at the memory and cpu each thing is using. [03:58] OvenWerks: Thanks [06:24] hello [13:23] GoodAfternoon [13:54] anyone there? [14:12] bree, yes I ^^.. [14:14] sometimes you just have to ask. someone would like to respond you.. later or soon :\ [14:30] okay :) could you tell me if it is possible to get the standard ubuntu environment on ubuntu studio working? [14:31] you mean the gnome desktop? whit sidebar? [14:32] yup i suppose [14:39] UbuntuStidio uses xfce, this is good because it to not take a lot of memory.. install it is just easy as go back to xfce.. [14:40] but i kann't assicure you that my way will fill all dependencies.. i do it before from unity or gnome to lxde to save memori [14:40] whats unity? [14:40] and which daw do you use? if you're using one [14:42] i'm on ubuntu studio now ^^ whit xfce.. as defoult [14:42] and whats unity? [14:42] unity should be the ubuntu desktop.. gnome the debian one.. [14:45] it's not difficoult to installa new desktop.. just lounch sudo apt-get install gnome and you are done.. exit session and at the login click on the gear, select gnome and you are done [14:46] bon ubuntu studio you have to click at the top on tge xfce icon.. and select gnome.. I personaly installed lxde along xfce.. for memory saving.. [14:48] okay sounds interesting, and how's that dock thingy called. Elementary os is based on it i figure [14:48] but you bether wait someone else respond to.. i will not make troubles to you becouse i never do it.. [14:48] okay, so you're not 100 % sure... [14:48] well, it's freshly installed anyway [14:49] #ubuntu will help you for shure.. [14:50] bree, no.. should work this way but get support over #ubuntu too :\ [15:36] bree_, are you on? [15:36] bree_: The vanilla ubuntu desktop environment (unity) has been found difficult to get working well with profesional audio. Not impossible for sure, some people have done so though. [15:37] okay, thanks for the information guys. [15:37] you can install ubuntu and just add the ubuntustudio metas you require (audio, audio core , etc. [15:38] OvenWerks does it right.. [15:38] doesn't matter [15:38] i got ubuntu studio installed all the way [15:38] it's not that i lack the hdd space or so [15:39] nor the hardware resources [15:39] start discovering it ^^ it's full of surprises [15:39] you will probably need ubuntustudio-controls to fix the way ubuntu normally installs jackd... [15:39] OK [15:39] enjoy. [15:43] Ovenwerks, i also have some questions.. you may stay around another bit? [15:43] Ask away.. [15:44] for shure my computer do not fulfitt a working standard.. but the magior desseas thath i go trough jet are a 46,9 latency lak over jack.. and some l2v plugins thath coredump ardour.. [15:45] also seems that pyton-uniconverter have some trouble to work over inkscape by saving some .plt .. i didn't have it could be done [15:48] inkscape questions I don't know... not a graphics person. [15:48] are you using calf lv2s? [15:48] exactly ^^.. have to rout it trough jack.. my latency actuali is 69,7 [15:49] calf lv2s use gtk as their GUI which conflicts with the version Ardour uses + crash [15:49] calf plugins have other problems as well [15:50] seen some have ladspa too.. work great.. even other midi instrument make coredump ardour.. will list it and let the channel know [15:50] they look nice but the internals have had some problems. [15:51] will work around it whit jack ^^.. and will need a new pc for a good low latency i guess [15:51] No plugin should use gtk or qt as the GUI toolkit. A plugin should be a static build and not use system libs. Many plugin builders don't understand this. [15:52] low latency requires some work sometimes. [15:53] i tried to work around buffer and fotograms.. and will not do it again whit gambling the values.. jack crashes a way i have to restar the pc [15:53] Are you using a USB interface? [15:54] i have.. [15:54] have you tryed with it plugged into all the different usb ports? [15:55] Often at least one of the USB ports shares irq with other things [15:55] have a makie 12 mixer connectet trough jack.. Never had problems whit it! only i can't use internal pc speakers as audio out.. becouse of latency.. have to use the out of tha mixer.. what could mean that when i encrease the usb volume i get like a mic near a box [15:55] USB audio interfaces should never be plugged into a USB hub with other things like mouse (very bad) or whatever [15:56] some problems.. and seen thath this way.. mixerinMixerOut, also decrease a lot the audio i record [15:56] have a laptop.. use only 2 port.. one midi and one for the mixer [15:57] my laptop had one port on the right and two on the left [15:58] 3 at one side in my case.. [15:58] I had to have my audio interface plugged into the right and everything else on the left. I could not even use both ports on the right because they were both the same hub internally [15:59] have this pc since 8 years now.. linux just saved his life [16:00] would only understand 2 thing.. how i could reduce the latency.. and how could i record, for example, whitout tha mixer, aeolus in ardour [16:00] if you just plug in your mixer and run dmesg ... you will get tons of output :) but the last few lines should tell yu which USB port you just plugged in [16:00] one second i move to my room.. had to do a work whit my dad [16:01] If you do this with each port, you can find out if they are internally hubbed or not. Also you can run cat /proc/interupts [16:01] you may be able to tell if one of those ports are sharing an IRQ with something else [16:02] i will be back soon.. have to go one moment. [16:02] no prob [16:02] 5-10 minutes, thank you [16:22] OvenWerks, i'm back ^^.. used to dmesg.. and think there is some sharing becouse i only pluged the mixer in and read about the midi controler [16:32] seems i have the midi controler registered on port 2.. and the mixer on 3.. cat /proc/interupts (no file or directory).. [16:37] i'm very grateful for your help.. is not such easy as alone.. [16:51] in /etc/default/rtirq therer is a line: RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="snd_ice snd_ens enp3s0" [16:51] The part in the quotes will be different on yours. [16:52] you probably want to change that to be "usb2 snd usb" [16:53] This puts your mixer at a higher priority than your internal audio as well as your mouse etc. [16:54] Sorry I have that backwards : ""usb2 snd usb" [16:54] Sorry I have that backwards : "usb3 snd usb" [16:55] you want to separate the port with you audio interface and make it first [16:56] should i make you a pastebin? ^^ [16:56] of what? [16:57] i don't know xD.. [16:57] i have this line.. RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="snd usb i8042" [16:57] change it to RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="usb3 snd usb" [16:58] the i8042 no longer needs to be prioritzed with later kernels and audio software [17:00] And I have found that internal audio interfaces have a minimum latency of jackd set to 64/3 but your mixer may be able to do 32/2 as others have been able to go that low on their usb IF [17:00] because desmeg says this: hid-generic 0003:08BB:29B3.0002: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.00 Device [Burr-Brown from TI USB Audio CODEC ] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2/input3 [17:01] it's right to ad it as 3 over rtirq [17:01] There should be some other lines in a group that give usb port number in an easier format to read [17:01] ? [17:01] this was imput [17:02] I am not sure from that if it is usb2 or 3 [17:02] maybe paste the last 10 or 20 lines from dmesg [17:02] (to a paste site) [17:02] shure ^^ [17:03] i turn of the mixer.. plug out the cable and make a fresh one [17:04] When I plugin a USB stick, I get a bunch of lines with usb 3-7: I think that means it is on usb3 [17:04] i found this: perf: interrupt took too long (6194 > 6171), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 32000 [17:04] The 7 means there is an internal hub and this is port 7 of the hub. [17:06] The port beside it says usb3-11... not very helpful [17:07] hope this is to much https://pastebin.com/LFBfad32 [17:07] isn't [17:08] so usb4 then [17:08] i have only 3 :\ [17:09] The chip inside that does usb has more. some of them are used internally for touchpad, camera (if you have one) etc. [17:09] Some of them are not connected at all [17:10] so I go along whit RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="usb4 snd usb" [17:10] yes [17:11] back in bit [17:11] i use lsusb command to see what's plugged where on the usb ports [17:11] me too! will give it a try later.. hope to see ya soon.. thank you a lot [17:44] Ovenwerk, edited rtirq and rebooted the system.. will come around often ^^ hope to get things done.. step by step.. from time to time [19:33] bree_, you made it? ^^ [19:33] nah, but it's alright. [19:34] do you know how to fix it, when you got like shift bound to alt & ctrl? [19:34] it's a really lightweight os.. what you could do is put the bar at the bottom like i did [19:34] i don't know what you mean :\ [19:35] like instead of having a normal ctrl key or alt key on the keyboard, it gives me shift instead of the actual key [19:35] or the function of the key [19:36] you maybe have the wrong keyboard set up.. had the same problem. i chose italian but it happened englisch [19:37] just go all settings, keyboard, map [20:16] bree_, see you later [20:53] good day mate