[03:09] <EleanorEllis> Would LXDE be a lighter weight faster environment than XFCE?
[03:19] <EleanorEllis> Would LXDE be a lighter weight faster environment than XFCE? I am running Ubuntu Studio on an old laptop with only 8GB of RAM and it slows down a lot. I am wondering if I could improve things by changing to LXDE. I do some video and audio editing and processing plus recording and photograph editing, plus desktop publishing
[03:25] <EleanorEllis> For example I have a problem when I my partner is watching video on one screen and I and looking up information in multiple browser windows.
[03:49] <OvenWerks> 8GB sounds like a lot. I rarely use more than about 4GB out of 8 on my machine. with 4 desktops two monitors wide avaerage 8 windows per workspace. Lots of tabs in Firefox (40 or so) i5 in it.
[03:51] <OvenWerks> I don't know that the DE is going to be the limit... Use top or htop and look at the memory and cpu each thing is using.
[03:58] <EleanorEllis> OvenWerks: Thanks
[06:24] <studio-user091> hello
[13:23] <L00P3X> GoodAfternoon
[13:54] <bree> anyone there?
[14:12] <L00P3X> bree, yes I ^^..
[14:14] <L00P3X> sometimes you just have to ask. someone would like to respond you.. later or soon :\
[14:30] <bree> okay :) could you tell me if it is possible to get the standard ubuntu environment on ubuntu studio working?
[14:31] <L00P3X> you mean the gnome desktop? whit sidebar?
[14:32] <bree> yup i suppose
[14:39] <L00P3X> UbuntuStidio uses xfce, this is good because it to not take a lot of memory.. install it is just easy as go back to xfce..
[14:40] <L00P3X> but i kann't assicure you that my way will fill all dependencies.. i do it before from unity or gnome to lxde to save memori
[14:40] <bree> whats unity?
[14:40] <bree> and which daw do you use? if you're using one
[14:42] <L00P3X> i'm on ubuntu studio now ^^ whit xfce.. as defoult
[14:42] <bree> and whats unity?
[14:42] <L00P3X> unity should be the ubuntu desktop.. gnome the debian one..
[14:45] <L00P3X> it's not difficoult to installa new desktop.. just lounch sudo apt-get install gnome and you are done.. exit session and at the login click on the gear, select gnome and you are done
[14:46] <L00P3X> bon ubuntu studio you have to click at the top on tge xfce icon.. and select gnome.. I personaly installed lxde along xfce.. for memory saving..
[14:48] <bree> okay sounds interesting, and how's that dock thingy called. Elementary os is based on it i figure
[14:48] <L00P3X> but you bether wait someone else respond to.. i will not make troubles to you becouse i never do it..
[14:48] <bree> okay, so you're not 100 % sure...
[14:48] <bree> well, it's freshly installed anyway
[14:49] <L00P3X> #ubuntu will help you for shure..
[14:50] <L00P3X> bree, no.. should work this way but get support over #ubuntu too :\
[15:36] <L00P3X> bree_, are you on?
[15:36] <OvenWerks> bree_: The vanilla ubuntu desktop environment (unity) has been found difficult to get working well with profesional audio. Not impossible for sure, some people have done so though.
[15:37] <bree_> okay, thanks for the information guys.
[15:37] <OvenWerks> you can install ubuntu and just add the ubuntustudio metas you require (audio, audio core , etc.
[15:38] <L00P3X> OvenWerks does it right..
[15:38] <bree_> doesn't matter
[15:38] <bree_> i got ubuntu studio installed all the way
[15:38] <bree_> it's not that i lack the hdd space or so
[15:39] <bree_> nor the hardware resources
[15:39] <L00P3X> start discovering it ^^ it's full of surprises
[15:39] <OvenWerks> you will probably need ubuntustudio-controls to fix the way ubuntu normally installs jackd...
[15:39] <OvenWerks> OK
[15:39] <OvenWerks> enjoy.
[15:43] <L00P3X> Ovenwerks, i also have some questions.. you may stay around another bit?
[15:43] <OvenWerks> Ask away..
[15:44] <L00P3X> for shure my computer do not fulfitt a working standard.. but the magior desseas thath i go trough jet are a 46,9 latency lak over jack.. and some l2v plugins thath coredump ardour..
[15:45] <L00P3X> also seems that pyton-uniconverter have some trouble to work over inkscape by saving some .plt .. i didn't have it could be done
[15:48] <OvenWerks> inkscape questions I don't know... not a graphics person.
[15:48] <OvenWerks> are you using calf lv2s?
[15:48] <L00P3X> exactly ^^.. have to rout it trough jack.. my latency actuali is 69,7
[15:49] <OvenWerks> calf lv2s use gtk as their GUI which conflicts with the version Ardour uses + crash
[15:49] <OvenWerks> calf plugins have other problems as well
[15:50] <L00P3X> seen some have ladspa too.. work great.. even other midi instrument make coredump ardour.. will list it and let the channel know
[15:50] <OvenWerks> they look nice but the internals have had some problems.
[15:51] <L00P3X> will work around it whit jack ^^.. and will need a new pc for a good low latency i guess
[15:51] <OvenWerks> No plugin should use gtk or qt as the GUI toolkit. A plugin should be a static build and not use system libs. Many plugin builders don't understand this.
[15:52] <OvenWerks> low latency requires some work sometimes.
[15:53] <L00P3X> i tried to work around buffer and fotograms.. and will not do it again whit gambling the values.. jack crashes a way i have to restar the pc
[15:53] <OvenWerks> Are you using a USB interface?
[15:54] <L00P3X> i have..
[15:54] <OvenWerks> have you tryed with it plugged into all the different usb ports?
[15:55] <OvenWerks> Often at least one of the USB ports shares irq with other things
[15:55] <L00P3X> have a makie 12 mixer connectet trough jack.. Never had problems whit it! only i can't use internal pc speakers as audio out.. becouse of latency.. have to use the out of tha mixer.. what could mean that when i encrease the usb volume i get like a mic near a box
[15:55] <OvenWerks> USB audio interfaces should never be plugged into a USB hub with other things like mouse (very bad) or whatever
[15:56] <L00P3X> some problems.. and seen thath this way.. mixerinMixerOut, also decrease a lot the audio i record
[15:56] <L00P3X> have a laptop.. use only 2 port.. one midi and one for the mixer
[15:57] <OvenWerks> my laptop had one port on the right and two on the left
[15:58] <L00P3X> 3 at one side in my case..
[15:58] <OvenWerks> I had to have my audio interface plugged into the right and everything else on the left. I could not even use both ports on the right because they were both the same hub internally
[15:59] <L00P3X> have this pc since 8 years now.. linux just saved his life
[16:00] <L00P3X> would only understand 2 thing.. how i could reduce the latency.. and how could i record, for example, whitout tha mixer, aeolus in ardour
[16:00] <OvenWerks> if you just plug in your mixer and run dmesg ... you will get tons of output :) but the last few lines should tell yu which USB port you just plugged in
[16:00] <L00P3X> one second i move to my room.. had to do a work whit my dad
[16:01] <OvenWerks> If you do this with each port, you can find out if they are internally hubbed or not. Also you can run cat /proc/interupts
[16:01] <OvenWerks> you may be able to tell if one of those ports are sharing an IRQ with something else
[16:02] <L00P3X> i will be back soon.. have to go one moment.
[16:02] <OvenWerks> no prob
[16:02] <L00P3X> 5-10 minutes, thank you
[16:22] <L00P3X> OvenWerks, i'm back ^^.. used to dmesg.. and think there is some sharing becouse i only pluged the mixer in and read about the midi controler
[16:32] <L00P3X> seems i have the midi controler registered on port 2.. and the mixer on 3.. cat /proc/interupts (no file or directory)..
[16:37] <L00P3X> i'm very grateful for your help.. is not such easy as alone..
[16:51] <OvenWerks> in /etc/default/rtirq therer is a line: RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="snd_ice snd_ens enp3s0"
[16:51] <OvenWerks> The part in the quotes will be different on yours.
[16:52] <OvenWerks> you probably want to change that to be "usb2 snd usb"
[16:53] <OvenWerks> This puts your mixer at a higher priority than your internal audio as well as your mouse etc.
[16:54] <OvenWerks> Sorry I have that backwards : ""usb2 snd usb"
[16:54] <OvenWerks> Sorry I have that backwards : "usb3 snd usb"
[16:55] <OvenWerks> you want to separate the port with you audio interface and make it first
[16:56] <L00P3X> should i make you a pastebin? ^^
[16:56] <OvenWerks> of what?
[16:57] <L00P3X> i don't know xD..
[16:57] <L00P3X> i have this line.. RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="snd usb i8042"
[16:57] <OvenWerks> change it to RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="usb3 snd usb"
[16:58] <OvenWerks> the i8042 no longer needs to be prioritzed with later kernels and audio software
[17:00] <OvenWerks> And I have found that internal audio interfaces have a minimum latency of jackd set to 64/3 but your mixer may be able to do 32/2 as others have been able to go that low on their usb IF
[17:00] <L00P3X> because desmeg says this:  hid-generic 0003:08BB:29B3.0002: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.00 Device [Burr-Brown from TI               USB Audio CODEC ] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2/input3
[17:01] <L00P3X> it's right to ad it as 3 over rtirq
[17:01] <OvenWerks> There should be some other lines in a group that give usb port number in an easier format to read
[17:01] <L00P3X> ?
[17:01] <L00P3X> this was imput
[17:02] <OvenWerks> I am not sure from that if it is usb2 or 3
[17:02] <OvenWerks> maybe paste the last 10 or 20 lines from dmesg
[17:02] <OvenWerks> (to a paste site)
[17:02] <L00P3X> shure ^^
[17:03] <L00P3X> i turn of the mixer.. plug out the cable and make a fresh one
[17:04] <OvenWerks> When I plugin a USB stick, I get a bunch of lines with usb 3-7: I think that means it is on usb3
[17:04] <L00P3X> i found this:      perf: interrupt took too long (6194 > 6171), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 32000
[17:04] <OvenWerks> The 7 means there is an internal hub and this is port 7 of the hub.
[17:06] <OvenWerks> The port beside it says usb3-11... not very helpful
[17:07] <L00P3X> hope this is to much https://pastebin.com/LFBfad32
[17:07] <L00P3X> isn't
[17:08] <OvenWerks> so usb4 then
[17:08] <L00P3X> i have only 3 :\
[17:09] <OvenWerks> The chip inside that does usb has more. some of them are used internally for touchpad, camera (if you have one) etc.
[17:09] <OvenWerks> Some of them are not connected at all
[17:10] <L00P3X> so I go along whit RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="usb4 snd usb"
[17:10] <OvenWerks> yes
[17:11] <OvenWerks> back in  bit
[17:11] <jmeteor> i use lsusb command to see what's plugged where on the usb ports
[17:11] <L00P3X> me too! will give it a try later.. hope to see ya soon.. thank you a lot
[17:44] <L00P3X> Ovenwerk, edited rtirq and rebooted the system.. will come around often ^^ hope to get things done.. step by step.. from time to time
[19:33] <L00P3X> bree_, you made it? ^^
[19:33] <bree_> nah, but it's alright.
[19:34] <bree_> do you know how to fix it, when you got like shift bound to alt & ctrl?
[19:34] <L00P3X> it's a really lightweight os.. what you could do is put the bar at the bottom like i did
[19:34] <L00P3X> i don't know what you mean :\
[19:35] <bree_> like instead of having a normal ctrl key or alt key on the keyboard, it gives me shift instead of the actual key
[19:35] <bree_> or the function of the key
[19:36] <L00P3X> you maybe have the wrong keyboard set up.. had the same problem. i chose italian but it happened englisch
[19:37] <L00P3X> just go all settings, keyboard, map
[20:16] <L00P3X> bree_, see you later
[20:53] <bree_> good day mate