| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> After I get some sleep, I'll explain my blueprint modifications on Lubuntu Next. | 08:53 |
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| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Apologies for the decent sized amount of emails... | 08:53 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> I don't have mails | 09:16 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> You part of the Lubuntu Packages Team? | 09:17 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> No .___. | 09:21 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> 😢 | 09:22 |
| acheronuk | neither am I, but I got a TG message to tell me about it :P | 09:22 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> Well, I maintain ONE package. Does it count? .__. | 09:24 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> (Photo, 720x1280) http://i.imgur.com/bJEVByK.jpg | 10:39 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, That. | 10:39 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> Jesuschrist! | 10:40 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> I keep getting more and more. | 10:49 |
| acheronuk | flag him as spam :P | 10:50 |
| * acheronuk hides | 10:50 | |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> Aye! XD | 10:50 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> lol | 10:52 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf I'm almost done | 10:53 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> acheronuk, all his mails go to a folder called "poop" | 10:53 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> All done. | 11:04 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> For now... 😏 | 11:04 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> lol | 11:04 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> Hmm... I don't trust you | 11:14 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> (Photo, 1024x769) http://i.imgur.com/AnZ2L9b.jpg Oh hey, look, it's Lubuntu Next under Wayland :D | 11:22 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> Felony! | 11:23 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> lol | 11:23 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> I want a MIR powered Lubuntu 😐 | 11:24 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//giphy.mp4 | 11:25 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> .__ | 11:25 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_387.mp4 | 11:31 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> lol | 11:32 |
| lubot2 | <wxl23> @tsimonq2, Let's see you do that with LXDE | 14:53 |
| eco2geek | To whomever is listening: I'm running your LXQt "experimental" edition. | 19:01 |
| eco2geek | The Lubuntu blog says, "The LXQt ISO will most likely break your system." | 19:01 |
| eco2geek | With all due respect, it has not even crashed, so it seems unlikely that it will break my system. | 19:02 |
| wxl | :) | 19:02 |
| wxl | as a system in development, the long term usage of it may result in some funky issues | 19:03 |
| eco2geek | If any of you remember what it looked like when Kubuntu switched from KDE 3 to KDE 4, now _there_ was something "experimental. | 19:03 |
| eco2geek | So ship it already. | 19:03 |
| wxl | yeah well there's work to be done on choosing all the applications, for example | 19:03 |
| eco2geek | Understood. I appreciate seeing applications that are new to me, like JuffEd and NobleNote | 19:04 |
| eco2geek | Let's see, it has some problems switching themes, and didn't switch off my monitor, but those are the only "buggy" things I've run into | 19:05 |
| wxl | feel free to file bugs against lubuntu next | 19:06 |
| redwolf | o.o | 19:06 |
| eco2geek | OK - keep up the good work :-) | 19:06 |
| wxl | thanks | 19:06 |
| wxl | and feel free to hang out here and discuss further development | 19:06 |
| redwolf | WALTER! | 19:17 |
| redwolf | you have mail :| | 19:18 |
| redwolf | you too, tsimonq2, don't hide | 19:19 |
| m4sk1n | on 2015 there was (simple) lubuntu-related task in Google Code In. will there be any lubuntu/lxqt-related task in 2017? | 19:19 |
| wxl | m4sk1n: that was based on UBUNTU's involvement, so you need to ask them | 19:41 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> It's marked as experimental so some idiot doesn't mark it in production | 19:49 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> s/mark/run/ | 20:12 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> So @wxl23, @julienlavergne, @VikingRedwolf: I'll send you an email in a bit, but there's still a couple of things to discuss about the ISO. | 20:16 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> Omg, an e-mail! | 20:16 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> We have to make an executive decision in respect to the web browser because that will turn into a fight quickly. | 20:16 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Otherwise, there's some more things up for grabs. | 20:17 |
| wxl | maybe we should just make a poll and whatever it ends up is what ti is | 20:17 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> Every app decision seem a war | 20:17 |
| wxl | but all of the options are what we would be willing to support | 20:17 |
| wxl | unless there's only one. | 20:17 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> "Executive decision" :| | 20:17 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> @wxl, Well with some things it's just basically needing another option. | 20:17 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> And we need feedback on that sort of thing. | 20:17 |
| wxl | well what about the browser | 20:18 |
| wxl | is there more than one option? | 20:18 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Qupzilla lgtm | 20:18 |
| wxl | are there other options? | 20:18 |
| wxl | …that we'd be willing to support? | 20:18 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Honestly, no. | 20:20 |
| wxl | then that's it | 20:20 |
| wxl | done | 20:20 |
| wxl | and here's the logic: | 20:20 |
| wxl | there's no other solution we'd be willing to support | 20:20 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> It just needs a bit of a security audit because it uses QtWebEngine and that uses an older Chromium. | 20:20 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> That's the only gotcha. | 20:21 |
| wxl | is there anything that doesn't have that problem? | 20:21 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> But that's easy if we keep an eye on it. | 20:21 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Uhm. Uhm. No? :) | 20:21 |
| wxl | well there you go | 20:21 |
| wxl | it's the only viable solution | 20:21 |
| wxl | what other qt browsers are there and what are their draw backs? | 20:21 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Otter Browser is based off of Opera but I've been told it's not stable yet. | 20:22 |
| wxl | have you tried it? | 20:22 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> And then there's one other one with the Vim commands. | 20:22 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> @wxl, I have not personally. | 20:22 |
| wxl | has anyone? | 20:22 |
| wxl | !info otter-browser | 20:23 |
| ubot93 | Package otter-browser does not exist in artful | 20:23 |
| wxl | !info otter | 20:23 |
| ubot93 | Package otter does not exist in artful | 20:23 |
| wxl | if it's not packaged, that's a no unless it's a real winner | 20:23 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> It's on the blueprint if you want more details | 20:23 |
| wxl | !search otter | 20:23 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Exactly. | 20:23 |
| ubot93 | None found | 20:23 |
| wxl | could you do me the favor of linking me to that blueprint? | 20:23 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> @wxl, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next/+spec/1710-qt-webbrowser | 20:25 |
| wxl | i would say we make the decision to do qupzilla now | 20:29 |
| wxl | it's stable, does what we want, peeople respond positively to it, and it's in the repos | 20:30 |
| wxl | other things require additional packaging which is going to delay lxqt | 20:30 |
| wxl | so it's kind of simple: qupzilla or delay lxqt | 20:30 |
| wxl | we can revisit this later if need be | 20:30 |
| wxl | UGH really http and jquerry. what is wrong with you people? | 20:31 |
| wxl | ooh uorigin has a new element zapper that's kind of cool | 20:35 |
| wxl | anyways | 20:35 |
| wxl | thae above is what i advise we announce to the public | 20:35 |
| eco2geek | if I can add my opinion - as an end user, I'm just going to install the web browsers I like anyway, so it doesn't really matter if you don't include them | 20:38 |
| eco2geek | I'm typing this using Google Chrome in Lubuntu LXQt. Runs fine. I'm not going to use Qupzilla. | 20:38 |
| wxl | exactly my sentiment | 20:38 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> That's my point, yeah | 20:39 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> I personally use Firefox. | 20:39 |
| eco2geek | (I use Firefox too) | 20:39 |
| wxl | ditto | 20:39 |
| lubot2 | <acheronuk> ditto | 20:40 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Which is exactly why we have to pick one and roll with it. Because people will get pissed over this. | 20:40 |
| eco2geek | But it is essential to include a web browser on your live media, and Qupzilla is fine for that | 20:41 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Sure, it absolutely is. | 20:41 |
| wxl | not doing html5 kind of sucks | 20:41 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> @wxl, I really thought they solved that in a later version | 20:41 |
| wxl | ok | 20:42 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Because we are still on Qupzilla 1.8 something | 20:42 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> 2.0 something, based on QtWebEngine, is FTBFS | 20:42 |
| wxl | ah you need gstreamer https://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla/wiki/FAQ#15-qupzilla-does-not-play-html5-videos-on-youtube-what-can-i-do | 20:42 |
| lubot2 | <acheronuk> 2.1.2 was uploaded to unstable the other day | 20:43 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> So now we are more than 2 versions behind, exactly. | 20:43 |
| wxl | facebook is funky in it too | 20:44 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Bah, who uses Facebook? XD | 20:45 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> Not me | 20:45 |
| wxl | built in user agent manager is cool | 20:45 |
| lubot2 | <acheronuk> @tsimonq2, https://packages.debian.org/sid/qupzilla | 20:45 |
| wxl | built in ad blocking | 20:46 |
| wxl | aw man it was originally py but they went c++ | 20:46 |
| lubot2 | <acheronuk> seemed to build for archs where webengine built | 20:46 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: you should add gstreamer to the iso | 20:47 |
| wxl | and maybe set a default user agent that's not qupzilla? we should play with that | 20:47 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> @wxl, If you tell me what deps there are, I'll consider it :) | 20:48 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> If it pulls in all of GTK, no way in hell | 20:48 |
| wxl | it shouldn't | 20:48 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> wxl: But either way, I don't have commit access to the seed. | 20:49 |
| wxl | well get whoever does to do it | 20:49 |
| wxl | we need basically gstreamer* from what i can tell | 20:49 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Julien and Core Developers have access | 20:49 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> So I'll probably do some local testing then if I agree, I'll propose an MP and poke someone to merge it. | 20:50 |
| wxl | so unravel the depends, test it out against youtube.com/html5 and then tell julien what to do | 20:50 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Ok | 20:50 |
| wxl | i'm not finding any gtk crap right off | 20:51 |
| wxl | hold on | 20:52 |
| wxl | gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad includes libgtk-3-0 | 20:52 |
| wxl | so we'll have to see if we can do without | 20:52 |
| wxl | there's a LOT of other stuff in there tho | 20:52 |
| wxl | gstreamer-qapt may be a way to get plugins without having to grab the sets | 20:54 |
| wxl | someone will have to check it out | 20:55 |
| wxl | is kf5 stuff going to pull in additional kde bits? | 20:55 |
| wxl | acheronuk: ^^ | 20:56 |
| acheronuk | if by kf5 you mean actual frameworks, then might not be too much | 20:57 |
| wxl | yeah ok | 20:58 |
| lubot2 | <acheronuk> there's a few distro (chakra maybe?) that use qupzilla by default, so may be worth looking what (if any) gsteamer stuff they put with it | 21:01 |
| wxl | ^^ @tsimonq2 | 21:02 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> Ok | 21:03 |
| acheronuk | hmmmm. a bit confusing to me whether that gstreamer requirement is for qupzilla before or after they switched to qtwebwngine, or both | 21:13 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> https://betanews.com/2017/06/30/ubuntu-linux-artful-aardvark/ - I like how he refers to me as an Ubuntu Membership Board Member when that's not even relevant :P | 21:14 |
| acheronuk | they like to pad things out, and sound knowledgable about people as well as the software/OS | 21:16 |
| tsimonq2 | Yeah | 21:48 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ | 21:48 |
| * tsimonq2 is on computer finally | 21:48 | |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf ALBERTO! Responded to your email. | 21:51 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> :) | 21:53 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> nice, you both voted for a different one LOL | 21:55 |
| wxl | i replied all this time | 21:55 |
| lubot2 | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf Who voted for the other one? | 21:55 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> let's see what the boss says, but I'm inclined to use Bloggerz. remember, wxl, that we're using our own content. so the result won't look exactly as that template. actually, I think it won't change much | 21:56 |
| wxl | harumph | 21:56 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> but the custom CSS code will be empty | 21:56 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> :) | 21:56 |
| wxl | that would be a benefit | 21:56 |
| wxl | and responsive would be nice too | 21:56 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> a lot | 21:56 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> yes, Fruitful has a limited responsiveness | 21:57 |
| wxl | respoinsiveness is a boon to our seo | 21:57 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> aye | 21:58 |
| tsimonq2 | @VikingRedwolf: Make sure to make it beautiful with all of the Lubuntu colouuuaouuurs | 21:59 |
| meetingology | tsimonq2: Error: "VikingRedwolf:" is not a valid command. | 21:59 |
| * tsimonq2 kicks meetingology | 21:59 | |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> you mean red? :$ | 21:59 |
| tsimonq2 | (British people and inserting random vowels in their words :P) | 21:59 |
| tsimonq2 | Uhm, no, blue. .___. | 22:00 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> let's change! PINK!! | 22:00 |
| wxl | YESSSSSSSSSSSS | 22:00 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> O.O | 22:00 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> gaaaaaaaaaaaayyy! | 22:00 |
| wxl | come on | 22:01 |
| wxl | let's just come out and say it | 22:01 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> :) | 22:01 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> say what? | 22:01 |
| wxl | we're the most gay friendly distro | 22:01 |
| wxl | LET"S DO RAINBOWS | 22:01 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> damn right! | 22:02 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> well, they're celebrating the world gay pride in Madrid now (last day) | 22:02 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> we could've put some rainbows somewhere | 22:02 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> but we're still on time :) | 22:02 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Hey, I need those lubuntu-users and lubuntu-devel passwords :P | 22:03 |
| wxl | no | 22:03 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> no | 22:03 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> the password is "cucumber" | 22:04 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: So you'll go through and sort through the 200 messgaes stuck in there? | 22:06 |
| wxl | UGH | 22:07 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I lost my password to my password manager that only held those passwords and I didn't back it up somewhere | 22:07 |
| wxl | WHY CAN"T YOU GET A DAMN PASSWORD MANAGER | 22:07 |
| wxl | oh | 22:07 |
| wxl | my | 22:07 |
| wxl | god | 22:07 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> I have one now .___. | 22:07 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> but we like to pretend we forgot them just to get your attention ^^ | 22:07 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Next time I meet with my new boss, he's going to set me up with one | 22:08 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I've been meaning to do it | 22:08 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: That's in 1 week or 2 | 22:08 |
| wxl | i'll send you an encrypted email with all of them | 22:08 |
| wxl | you will not remove them | 22:08 |
| tsimonq2 | Bueno | 22:08 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> O.O | 22:08 |
| wxl | you WILL NOT ask for them again | 22:08 |
| wxl | do you understand? | 22:08 |
| tsimonq2 | Yes. | 22:08 |
| lubot2 | <VikingRedwolf> he will | 22:08 |
| wxl | i'll probably have to do this later | 22:08 |
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