[08:53] After I get some sleep, I'll explain my blueprint modifications on Lubuntu Next. [08:53] Apologies for the decent sized amount of emails... [09:16] I don't have mails [09:17] You part of the Lubuntu Packages Team? [09:21] No .___. [09:22] 😢 [09:22] neither am I, but I got a TG message to tell me about it :P [09:24] Well, I maintain ONE package. Does it count? .__. [10:39] (Photo, 720x1280) http://i.imgur.com/bJEVByK.jpg [10:39] @VikingRedwolf, That. [10:40] Jesuschrist! [10:49] I keep getting more and more. [10:50] flag him as spam :P [10:50] * acheronuk hides [10:50] Aye! XD [10:52] lol [10:53] @VikingRedwolf I'm almost done [10:53] acheronuk, all his mails go to a folder called "poop" [11:04] All done. [11:04] For now... 😏 [11:04] lol [11:14] Hmm... I don't trust you [11:22] (Photo, 1024x769) http://i.imgur.com/AnZ2L9b.jpg Oh hey, look, it's Lubuntu Next under Wayland :D [11:23] Felony! [11:23] lol [11:24] I want a MIR powered Lubuntu 😐 [11:25] (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//giphy.mp4 [11:25] .__ [11:31] (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_387.mp4 [11:32] lol [14:53] @tsimonq2, Let's see you do that with LXDE [19:01] To whomever is listening: I'm running your LXQt "experimental" edition. [19:01] The Lubuntu blog says, "The LXQt ISO will most likely break your system." [19:02] With all due respect, it has not even crashed, so it seems unlikely that it will break my system. [19:02] :) [19:03] as a system in development, the long term usage of it may result in some funky issues [19:03] If any of you remember what it looked like when Kubuntu switched from KDE 3 to KDE 4, now _there_ was something "experimental. [19:03] So ship it already. [19:03] yeah well there's work to be done on choosing all the applications, for example [19:04] Understood. I appreciate seeing applications that are new to me, like JuffEd and NobleNote [19:05] Let's see, it has some problems switching themes, and didn't switch off my monitor, but those are the only "buggy" things I've run into [19:06] feel free to file bugs against lubuntu next [19:06] o.o [19:06] OK - keep up the good work :-) [19:06] thanks [19:06] and feel free to hang out here and discuss further development [19:17] WALTER! [19:18] you have mail :| [19:19] you too, tsimonq2, don't hide [19:19] on 2015 there was (simple) lubuntu-related task in Google Code In. will there be any lubuntu/lxqt-related task in 2017? [19:41] m4sk1n: that was based on UBUNTU's involvement, so you need to ask them [19:49] It's marked as experimental so some idiot doesn't mark it in production [20:12] s/mark/run/ [20:16] So @wxl23, @julienlavergne, @VikingRedwolf: I'll send you an email in a bit, but there's still a couple of things to discuss about the ISO. [20:16] Omg, an e-mail! [20:16] We have to make an executive decision in respect to the web browser because that will turn into a fight quickly. [20:17] Otherwise, there's some more things up for grabs. [20:17] maybe we should just make a poll and whatever it ends up is what ti is [20:17] Every app decision seem a war [20:17] but all of the options are what we would be willing to support [20:17] unless there's only one. [20:17] "Executive decision" :| [20:17] @wxl, Well with some things it's just basically needing another option. [20:17] And we need feedback on that sort of thing. [20:18] well what about the browser [20:18] is there more than one option? [20:18] Qupzilla lgtm [20:18] are there other options? [20:18] …that we'd be willing to support? [20:20] Honestly, no. [20:20] then that's it [20:20] done [20:20] and here's the logic: [20:20] there's no other solution we'd be willing to support [20:20] It just needs a bit of a security audit because it uses QtWebEngine and that uses an older Chromium. [20:21] That's the only gotcha. [20:21] is there anything that doesn't have that problem? [20:21] But that's easy if we keep an eye on it. [20:21] Uhm. Uhm. No? :) [20:21] well there you go [20:21] it's the only viable solution [20:21] what other qt browsers are there and what are their draw backs? [20:22] Otter Browser is based off of Opera but I've been told it's not stable yet. [20:22] have you tried it? [20:22] And then there's one other one with the Vim commands. [20:22] @wxl, I have not personally. [20:22] has anyone? [20:23] !info otter-browser [20:23] Package otter-browser does not exist in artful [20:23] !info otter [20:23] Package otter does not exist in artful [20:23] if it's not packaged, that's a no unless it's a real winner [20:23] It's on the blueprint if you want more details [20:23] !search otter [20:23] Exactly. [20:23] None found [20:23] could you do me the favor of linking me to that blueprint? [20:25] @wxl, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next/+spec/1710-qt-webbrowser [20:29] i would say we make the decision to do qupzilla now [20:30] it's stable, does what we want, peeople respond positively to it, and it's in the repos [20:30] other things require additional packaging which is going to delay lxqt [20:30] so it's kind of simple: qupzilla or delay lxqt [20:30] we can revisit this later if need be [20:31] UGH really http and jquerry. what is wrong with you people? [20:35] ooh uorigin has a new element zapper that's kind of cool [20:35] anyways [20:35] thae above is what i advise we announce to the public [20:38] if I can add my opinion - as an end user, I'm just going to install the web browsers I like anyway, so it doesn't really matter if you don't include them [20:38] I'm typing this using Google Chrome in Lubuntu LXQt. Runs fine. I'm not going to use Qupzilla. [20:38] exactly my sentiment [20:39] That's my point, yeah [20:39] I personally use Firefox. [20:39] (I use Firefox too) [20:39] ditto [20:40] ditto [20:40] Which is exactly why we have to pick one and roll with it. Because people will get pissed over this. [20:41] But it is essential to include a web browser on your live media, and Qupzilla is fine for that [20:41] Sure, it absolutely is. [20:41] not doing html5 kind of sucks [20:41] @wxl, I really thought they solved that in a later version [20:42] ok [20:42] Because we are still on Qupzilla 1.8 something [20:42] 2.0 something, based on QtWebEngine, is FTBFS [20:42] ah you need gstreamer https://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla/wiki/FAQ#15-qupzilla-does-not-play-html5-videos-on-youtube-what-can-i-do [20:43] 2.1.2 was uploaded to unstable the other day [20:43] So now we are more than 2 versions behind, exactly. [20:44] facebook is funky in it too [20:45] Bah, who uses Facebook? XD [20:45] Not me [20:45] built in user agent manager is cool [20:45] @tsimonq2, https://packages.debian.org/sid/qupzilla [20:46] built in ad blocking [20:46] aw man it was originally py but they went c++ [20:46] seemed to build for archs where webengine built [20:47] tsimonq2: you should add gstreamer to the iso [20:47] and maybe set a default user agent that's not qupzilla? we should play with that [20:48] @wxl, If you tell me what deps there are, I'll consider it :) [20:48] If it pulls in all of GTK, no way in hell [20:48] it shouldn't [20:49] wxl: But either way, I don't have commit access to the seed. [20:49] well get whoever does to do it [20:49] we need basically gstreamer* from what i can tell [20:49] Julien and Core Developers have access [20:50] So I'll probably do some local testing then if I agree, I'll propose an MP and poke someone to merge it. [20:50] so unravel the depends, test it out against youtube.com/html5 and then tell julien what to do [20:50] Ok [20:51] i'm not finding any gtk crap right off [20:52] hold on [20:52] gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad includes libgtk-3-0 [20:52] so we'll have to see if we can do without [20:52] there's a LOT of other stuff in there tho [20:54] gstreamer-qapt may be a way to get plugins without having to grab the sets [20:55] someone will have to check it out [20:55] is kf5 stuff going to pull in additional kde bits? [20:56] acheronuk: ^^ [20:57] if by kf5 you mean actual frameworks, then might not be too much [20:58] yeah ok [21:01] there's a few distro (chakra maybe?) that use qupzilla by default, so may be worth looking what (if any) gsteamer stuff they put with it [21:02] ^^ @tsimonq2 [21:03] Ok [21:13] hmmmm. a bit confusing to me whether that gstreamer requirement is for qupzilla before or after they switched to qtwebwngine, or both [21:14] https://betanews.com/2017/06/30/ubuntu-linux-artful-aardvark/ - I like how he refers to me as an Ubuntu Membership Board Member when that's not even relevant :P [21:16] they like to pad things out, and sound knowledgable about people as well as the software/OS [21:48] Yeah [21:48] o/ [21:48] * tsimonq2 is on computer finally [21:51] @VikingRedwolf ALBERTO! Responded to your email. [21:53] :) [21:55] nice, you both voted for a different one LOL [21:55] i replied all this time [21:55] @VikingRedwolf Who voted for the other one? [21:56] let's see what the boss says, but I'm inclined to use Bloggerz. remember, wxl, that we're using our own content. so the result won't look exactly as that template. actually, I think it won't change much [21:56] harumph [21:56] but the custom CSS code will be empty [21:56] :) [21:56] that would be a benefit [21:56] and responsive would be nice too [21:56] a lot [21:57] yes, Fruitful has a limited responsiveness [21:57] respoinsiveness is a boon to our seo [21:58] aye [21:59] @VikingRedwolf: Make sure to make it beautiful with all of the Lubuntu colouuuaouuurs [21:59] tsimonq2: Error: "VikingRedwolf:" is not a valid command. [21:59] * tsimonq2 kicks meetingology [21:59] you mean red? :$ [21:59] (British people and inserting random vowels in their words :P) [22:00] Uhm, no, blue. .___. [22:00] let's change! PINK!! [22:00] YESSSSSSSSSSSS [22:00] O.O [22:00] gaaaaaaaaaaaayyy! [22:01] come on [22:01] let's just come out and say it [22:01] :) [22:01] say what? [22:01] we're the most gay friendly distro [22:01] LET"S DO RAINBOWS [22:02] damn right! [22:02] well, they're celebrating the world gay pride in Madrid now (last day) [22:02] we could've put some rainbows somewhere [22:02] but we're still on time :) [22:03] wxl: Hey, I need those lubuntu-users and lubuntu-devel passwords :P [22:03] no [22:03] no [22:04] the password is "cucumber" [22:06] wxl: So you'll go through and sort through the 200 messgaes stuck in there? [22:07] UGH [22:07] wxl: I lost my password to my password manager that only held those passwords and I didn't back it up somewhere [22:07] WHY CAN"T YOU GET A DAMN PASSWORD MANAGER [22:07] oh [22:07] my [22:07] god [22:07] I have one now .___. [22:07] but we like to pretend we forgot them just to get your attention ^^ [22:08] wxl: Next time I meet with my new boss, he's going to set me up with one [22:08] wxl: I've been meaning to do it [22:08] wxl: That's in 1 week or 2 [22:08] i'll send you an encrypted email with all of them [22:08] you will not remove them [22:08] Bueno [22:08] O.O [22:08] you WILL NOT ask for them again [22:08] do you understand? [22:08] Yes. [22:08] he will [22:08] i'll probably have to do this later