 After I get some sleep, I'll explain my blueprint modifications on Lubuntu Next.
 Apologies for the decent sized amount of emails...
 I don't have mails
 You part of the Lubuntu Packages Team?
 No .___.
 😢
[09:22] <acheronuk> neither am I, but I got a TG message to tell me about it :P
 Well, I maintain ONE package. Does it count? .__.
 (Photo, 720x1280) http://i.imgur.com/bJEVByK.jpg
 @VikingRedwolf, That.
 Jesuschrist!
 I keep getting more and more.
[10:50] <acheronuk> flag him as spam :P
[10:50]  * acheronuk hides
 Aye! XD
 lol
 @VikingRedwolf I'm almost done
 acheronuk, all his mails go to a folder called "poop"
 All done.
 For now... 😏
 lol
 Hmm... I don't trust you
 (Photo, 1024x769) http://i.imgur.com/AnZ2L9b.jpg Oh hey, look, it's Lubuntu Next under Wayland :D
 Felony!
 lol
 I want a MIR powered Lubuntu 😐
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//giphy.mp4
 .__
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_387.mp4
 lol
 @tsimonq2, Let's see you do that with LXDE
[19:01] <eco2geek> To whomever is listening: I'm running your LXQt "experimental" edition.
[19:01] <eco2geek> The Lubuntu blog says, "The LXQt ISO will most likely break your system."
[19:02] <eco2geek> With all due respect, it has not even crashed, so it seems unlikely that it will break my system.
[19:02] <wxl> :)
[19:03] <wxl> as a system in development, the long term usage of it may result in some funky issues
[19:03] <eco2geek> If any of you remember what it looked like when Kubuntu switched from KDE 3 to KDE 4, now _there_ was something "experimental.
[19:03] <eco2geek> So ship it already.
[19:03] <wxl> yeah well there's work to be done on choosing all the applications, for example
[19:04] <eco2geek> Understood. I appreciate seeing applications that are new to me, like JuffEd and NobleNote
[19:05] <eco2geek> Let's see, it has some problems switching themes, and didn't switch off my monitor, but those are the only "buggy" things I've run into
[19:06] <wxl> feel free to file bugs against lubuntu next
[19:06] <redwolf> o.o
[19:06] <eco2geek> OK - keep up the good work :-)
[19:06] <wxl> thanks
[19:06] <wxl> and feel free to hang out here and discuss further development
[19:17] <redwolf> WALTER!
[19:18] <redwolf> you have mail :|
[19:19] <redwolf> you too, tsimonq2, don't hide
[19:19] <m4sk1n> on 2015 there was (simple) lubuntu-related task in Google Code In. will there be any lubuntu/lxqt-related task in 2017?
[19:41] <wxl> m4sk1n: that was based on UBUNTU's involvement, so you need to ask them
 It's marked as experimental so some idiot doesn't mark it in production
 s/mark/run/
 So @wxl23, @julienlavergne, @VikingRedwolf: I'll send you an email in a bit, but there's still a couple of things to discuss about the ISO.
 Omg, an e-mail!
 We have to make an executive decision in respect to the web browser because that will turn into a fight quickly.
 Otherwise, there's some more things up for grabs.
[20:17] <wxl> maybe we should just make a poll and whatever it ends up is what ti is
 Every app decision seem a war
[20:17] <wxl> but all of the options are what we would be willing to support
[20:17] <wxl> unless there's only one.
 "Executive decision" :|
 @wxl, Well with some things it's just basically needing another option.
 And we need feedback on that sort of thing.
[20:18] <wxl> well what about the browser
[20:18] <wxl> is there more than one option?
 Qupzilla lgtm
[20:18] <wxl> are there other options?
[20:18] <wxl> …that we'd be willing to support?
 Honestly, no.
[20:20] <wxl> then that's it
[20:20] <wxl> done
[20:20] <wxl> and here's the logic:
[20:20] <wxl> there's no other solution we'd be willing to support
 It just needs a bit of a security audit because it uses QtWebEngine and that uses an older Chromium.
 That's the only gotcha.
[20:21] <wxl> is there anything that doesn't have that problem?
 But that's easy if we keep an eye on it.
 Uhm. Uhm. No? :)
[20:21] <wxl> well there you go
[20:21] <wxl> it's the only viable solution
[20:21] <wxl> what other qt browsers are there and what are their draw backs?
 Otter Browser is based off of Opera but I've been told it's not stable yet.
[20:22] <wxl> have you tried it?
 And then there's one other one with the Vim commands.
 @wxl, I have not personally.
[20:22] <wxl> has anyone?
[20:23] <wxl> !info otter-browser
[20:23] <wxl> !info otter
[20:23] <wxl> if it's not packaged, that's a no unless it's a real winner
 It's on the blueprint if you want more details
[20:23] <wxl> !search otter
 Exactly.
[20:23] <wxl> could you do me the favor of linking me to that blueprint?
 @wxl, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next/+spec/1710-qt-webbrowser
[20:29] <wxl> i would say we make the decision to do qupzilla now
[20:30] <wxl> it's stable, does what we want, peeople respond positively to it, and it's in the repos
[20:30] <wxl> other things require additional packaging which is going to delay lxqt
[20:30] <wxl> so it's kind of simple: qupzilla or delay lxqt
[20:30] <wxl> we can revisit this later if need be
[20:31] <wxl> UGH really http and jquerry. what is wrong with you people?
[20:35] <wxl> ooh uorigin has a new element zapper that's kind of cool
[20:35] <wxl> anyways
[20:35] <wxl> thae above is what i advise we announce to the public
[20:38] <eco2geek> if I can add my opinion - as an end user, I'm just going to install the web browsers I like anyway, so it doesn't really matter if you don't include them
[20:38] <eco2geek> I'm typing this using Google Chrome in Lubuntu LXQt. Runs fine. I'm not going to use Qupzilla.
[20:38] <wxl> exactly my sentiment
 That's my point, yeah
 I personally use Firefox.
[20:39] <eco2geek> (I use Firefox too)
[20:39] <wxl> ditto
 ditto
 Which is exactly why we have to pick one and roll with it. Because people will get pissed over this.
[20:41] <eco2geek> But it is essential to include a web browser on your live media, and Qupzilla is fine for that
 Sure, it absolutely is.
[20:41] <wxl> not doing html5 kind of sucks
 @wxl, I really thought they solved that in a later version
[20:42] <wxl> ok
 Because we are still on Qupzilla 1.8 something
 2.0 something, based on QtWebEngine, is FTBFS
[20:42] <wxl> ah you need gstreamer https://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla/wiki/FAQ#15-qupzilla-does-not-play-html5-videos-on-youtube-what-can-i-do
 2.1.2 was uploaded to unstable the other day
 So now we are more than 2 versions behind, exactly.
[20:44] <wxl> facebook is funky in it too
 Bah, who uses Facebook? XD
 Not me
[20:45] <wxl> built in user agent manager is cool
 @tsimonq2, https://packages.debian.org/sid/qupzilla
[20:46] <wxl> built in ad blocking
[20:46] <wxl> aw man it was originally py but they went c++
 seemed to build for archs where webengine built
[20:47] <wxl> tsimonq2: you should add gstreamer to the iso
[20:47] <wxl> and maybe set a default user agent that's not qupzilla? we should play with that
 @wxl, If you tell me what deps there are, I'll consider it :)
 If it pulls in all of GTK, no way in hell
[20:48] <wxl> it shouldn't
 wxl: But either way, I don't have commit access to the seed.
[20:49] <wxl> well get whoever does to do it
[20:49] <wxl> we need basically gstreamer* from what i can tell
 Julien and Core Developers have access
 So I'll probably do some local testing then if I agree, I'll propose an MP and poke someone to merge it.
[20:50] <wxl> so unravel the depends, test it out against youtube.com/html5 and then tell julien what to do
 Ok
[20:51] <wxl> i'm not finding any gtk crap right off
[20:52] <wxl> hold on
[20:52] <wxl> gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad includes libgtk-3-0
[20:52] <wxl> so we'll have to see if we can do without
[20:52] <wxl> there's a LOT of other stuff in there tho
[20:54] <wxl> gstreamer-qapt may be a way to get plugins without having to grab the sets
[20:55] <wxl> someone will have to check it out
[20:55] <wxl> is kf5 stuff going to pull in additional kde bits?
[20:56] <wxl> acheronuk: ^^
[20:57] <acheronuk> if by kf5 you mean actual frameworks, then might not be too much
[20:58] <wxl> yeah ok
 there's a few distro (chakra maybe?) that use qupzilla by default, so may be worth looking what (if any) gsteamer stuff they put with it
[21:02] <wxl> ^^ @tsimonq2
 Ok
[21:13] <acheronuk> hmmmm. a bit confusing to me whether that gstreamer requirement is for qupzilla before or after they switched to qtwebwngine, or both
 https://betanews.com/2017/06/30/ubuntu-linux-artful-aardvark/ - I like how he refers to me as an Ubuntu Membership Board Member when that's not even relevant :P
[21:16] <acheronuk> they like to pad things out, and sound knowledgable about people as well as the software/OS
[21:48] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[21:48] <tsimonq2> o/
[21:48]  * tsimonq2 is on computer finally
 @VikingRedwolf ALBERTO! Responded to your email.
 :)
 nice, you both voted for a different one LOL
[21:55] <wxl> i replied all this time
 @VikingRedwolf Who voted for the other one?
 let's see what the boss says, but I'm inclined to use Bloggerz. remember, wxl, that we're using our own content. so the result won't look exactly as that template. actually, I think it won't change much
[21:56] <wxl> harumph
 but the custom CSS code will be empty
 :)
[21:56] <wxl> that would be a benefit
[21:56] <wxl> and responsive would be nice too
 a lot
 yes, Fruitful has a limited responsiveness
[21:57] <wxl> respoinsiveness is a boon to our seo
 aye
[21:59] <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf: Make sure to make it beautiful with all of the Lubuntu colouuuaouuurs
[21:59] <meetingology> tsimonq2: Error: "VikingRedwolf:" is not a valid command.
[21:59]  * tsimonq2 kicks meetingology 
 you mean red? :$
[21:59] <tsimonq2> (British people and inserting random vowels in their words :P)
[22:00] <tsimonq2> Uhm, no, blue. .___.
 let's change! PINK!!
[22:00] <wxl> YESSSSSSSSSSSS
 O.O
 gaaaaaaaaaaaayyy!
[22:01] <wxl> come on
[22:01] <wxl> let's just come out and say it
 :)
 say what?
[22:01] <wxl> we're the most gay friendly distro
[22:01] <wxl> LET"S DO RAINBOWS
 damn right!
 well, they're celebrating the world gay pride in Madrid now (last day)
 we could've put some rainbows somewhere
 but we're still on time :)
[22:03] <tsimonq2> wxl: Hey, I need those lubuntu-users and lubuntu-devel passwords :P
[22:03] <wxl> no
 no
 the password is "cucumber"
[22:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: So you'll go through and sort through the 200 messgaes stuck in there?
[22:07] <wxl> UGH
[22:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: I lost my password to my password manager that only held those passwords and I didn't back it up somewhere
[22:07] <wxl> WHY CAN"T YOU GET A DAMN PASSWORD MANAGER
[22:07] <wxl> oh
[22:07] <wxl> my
[22:07] <wxl> god
 I have one now .___.
 but we like to pretend we forgot them just to get your attention ^^
[22:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: Next time I meet with my new boss, he's going to set me up with one
[22:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: I've been meaning to do it
[22:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: That's in 1 week or 2
[22:08] <wxl> i'll send you an encrypted email with all of them
[22:08] <wxl> you will not remove them
[22:08] <tsimonq2> Bueno
 O.O
[22:08] <wxl> you WILL NOT ask for them again
[22:08] <wxl> do you understand?
[22:08] <tsimonq2> Yes.
 he will
[22:08] <wxl> i'll probably have to do this later