=== twinsen is now known as twinsenx [09:04] morning boys and girls. [14:50] Interesting article http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/30/nhsbuntu_nhs_revolution/ [18:01] penguin42: when i raised cropping back the house phone lines the other day, here's the result! check out my war time connections :) http://imgur.com/a/O0yRr [18:02] whole thing is swinging around off the wall due to the large fixings having allowed water ingress which has crumbled it all [18:03] daftykins: Golly, technology! It's interesting the connections aren't really paired [18:03] indeedy [18:04] i'm hoping to see if they fancy redoing it since it's swinging about loosely - plus i'd ideally like to paint behind etc [18:07] so much destruction to the paint where the lines have had the little cable tacks put in all across the front too [18:07] my Dad is suggesting running mine underneath the window sills instead, not sure if that'd be better or worse [18:53] oh, barry norman died... [18:53] :-o [18:55] d'aww [18:55] must admit i had to look him up [18:57] for anyone over 40 i suspect you say his name and a piece of music and film x were x is the year the show went out springs to mind... [18:57] :> [18:58] I used to love Film X with him [18:58] pre internet it was how you found what movies to go see [18:58] they tried to reinvent it several times since but it just didn't work as well as when they had Barry doing it [18:59] jonathan ross was good but still not a patch on norman [19:33] haha the OnePlus 5's (a phone) screen is mounted upside down and causing scrolling quirks [19:43] so it's mac touchpad orientation scrolling? :-P [19:45] :D [19:49] https://man.openbsd.org/synclient ? [19:54] heh Apple reversed the direction OS wide a few versions ago, was quite mad [19:55] i had one Mac client ask 'wat' [19:56] I switch between mac and pc so often that I just randomly scroll both ways until it goes the direction I want [19:56] :D [19:59] if only apple decide to make a machine with just just pure darwin, i complain at that, :) [19:59] wouldnt* [19:59] they don't release darwin source anymore iirc [19:59] :-( [19:59] ie. bsd, ultimatly. [20:00] :( [20:00] brobostigon: i'd hope you would since all the parts would be soldered in and it'd be pure evil! [20:02] complain that is [20:06] daftykins: i use openbsd, haiku now most days, and then debian on some of my machines. my partner she is windows/iphone'ipod background, now i had to teach her when the machine starts up to eun things like startx and them mod1 + enter to get your program menu up, but after four years she has started to understand it, an understands now why having a more functional rather than an interface which or more bling than functional is more beneficial. [20:07] :> [20:07] i'm just digging at Apple's hardware decisions there [20:07] thou shalt have a disposable machine [20:07] ^ i should have put quotes around that one [20:07] yep. [20:10] i tried to explain to her once, how unix pipes work, i compared it to how you can redirect data from one program into another to try and explain it. i think she knew the geek and nerd i was, :D [20:10] :D [20:10] i found that was one of those *nix concepts that's easier to see a practical use of, then get explained [20:11] that free intro to Linux course i did for fun spoke of IO redirection but without context it was pretty bad [20:11] it's harder when you don't need to build formatting/grepping/awking pipes much [20:12] example, less /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep iphone [20:12] * penguin42 swaps brobostigon's grep and less [20:12] yeah you could just grep the file direct there :D [20:12] less /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep iphone | less [20:16] oh dear i've actually lost a few megabits since faffing with the phone cables [20:17] :-o [20:17] that was careless [20:17] i know, if only i'd swept them up as well as the paint chippings === daftykin1 is now known as daftykins [20:17] stands to reason flexing the cable around would harm my rates :) [20:18] rates have gone up again? damned taxes! [20:18] kinda tempted to just run my own replacement cable tbh whilst i have the scaffold [20:18] ooh yes, the island needs a new golden donkey statue [20:18] daftykins: It hardly looks 'balanced' [20:19] uh oh, clone problems [20:20] *ahem* [20:20] balanced you say? [20:22] yep definitely lost sync a few mins ago, ho-hum [20:22] i wonder if electrical wholesalers sell outdoor spec by the metre [20:23] daftykins: it's supposed to be tricky because when they get upset they'll drop back a bit and wont come back up for a while [20:24] ah indeedy [20:24] to be honest i'm a bit beyond the line length to even have the 60Mb down service i'm on, as when i was on the 40Mb i saw a sync speed of only 52 [20:24] bit annoying to see they put interleaving on too, probably from the time i was getting packet loss [20:25] i've an odd one at my parents place, they're on the basic 20Mb down and 1Mb up ADSL2+ service, the download is absolutely fine but the upload isn't so stable and there's crackling on the voice line if you just listen to the dial tone... i even replaced the socket for a filter built-in type [20:26] their answer is to apply a profile capping the upload to 768Kbps but i'm not fond of that approach