[09:04] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[14:50] <DJones> Interesting article http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/30/nhsbuntu_nhs_revolution/
[18:01] <daftykins> penguin42: when i raised cropping back the house phone lines the other day, here's the result! check out my war time connections :) http://imgur.com/a/O0yRr
[18:02] <daftykins> whole thing is swinging around off the wall due to the large fixings having allowed water ingress which has crumbled it all
[18:03] <penguin42> daftykins: Golly, technology! It's interesting the connections aren't really paired
[18:03] <daftykins> indeedy
[18:04] <daftykins> i'm hoping to see if they fancy redoing it since it's swinging about loosely - plus i'd ideally like to paint behind etc
[18:07] <daftykins> so much destruction to the paint where the lines have had the little cable tacks put in all across the front too
[18:07] <daftykins> my Dad is suggesting running mine underneath the window sills instead, not sure if that'd be better or worse
[18:53] <zmoylan-pi> oh, barry norman died...
[18:53] <diddledan> :-o
[18:55] <daftykins> d'aww
[18:55] <daftykins> must admit i had to look him up
[18:57] <zmoylan-pi> for anyone over 40 i suspect you say his name and a piece of music and film x were x is the year the show went out springs to mind...
[18:57] <daftykins> :>
[18:58] <diddledan> I used to love Film X with him
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> pre internet it was how you found what movies to go see
[18:58] <diddledan> they tried to reinvent it several times since but it just didn't work as well as when they had Barry doing it
[18:59] <zmoylan-pi> jonathan ross was good but still not a patch on norman
[19:33] <daftykins> haha the OnePlus 5's (a phone) screen is mounted upside down and causing scrolling quirks
[19:43] <zmoylan-pi> so it's mac touchpad orientation scrolling? :-P
[19:45] <daftykins> :D
[19:49] <brobostigon> https://man.openbsd.org/synclient ?
[19:54] <daftykins> heh Apple reversed the direction OS wide a few versions ago, was quite mad
[19:55] <daftykins> i had one Mac client ask 'wat'
[19:56] <diddledan> I switch between mac and pc so often that I just randomly scroll both ways until it goes the direction I want
[19:56] <daftykins> :D
[19:59] <brobostigon> if only apple decide to make a machine with just just pure darwin, i complain at that, :)
[19:59] <brobostigon> wouldnt*
[19:59] <diddledan> they don't release darwin source anymore iirc
[19:59] <diddledan> :-(
[19:59] <brobostigon> ie. bsd, ultimatly.
[20:00] <brobostigon> :(
[20:00] <daftykins> brobostigon: i'd hope you would since all the parts would be soldered in and it'd be pure evil!
[20:02] <daftykins> complain that is
[20:06] <brobostigon> daftykins: i use openbsd, haiku now most days, and then debian on some of my machines. my partner she is windows/iphone'ipod background, now i had to teach her when the machine starts up to eun things like startx and them mod1 + enter to get your program menu up, but after four years she has started to understand it, an understands now why having a more functional rather than an interface which or more bling than functional is more beneficial.
[20:07] <daftykins> :>
[20:07] <daftykins> i'm just digging at Apple's hardware decisions there
[20:07] <daftykins> thou shalt have a disposable machine
[20:07] <daftykins> ^ i should have put quotes around that one
[20:07] <brobostigon> yep.
[20:10] <brobostigon> i tried to explain to her once, how unix pipes work, i compared it to how you can redirect data from one program into another to try and explain it. i think she knew the geek and nerd i was, :D
[20:10] <daftykins> :D
[20:10] <daftykins> i found that was one of those *nix concepts that's easier to see a practical use of, then get explained
[20:11] <daftykins> that free intro to Linux course i did for fun spoke of IO redirection but without context it was pretty bad
[20:11] <penguin42> it's harder when you don't need to build formatting/grepping/awking pipes much
[20:12] <brobostigon> example, less /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep iphone
[20:12]  * penguin42 swaps brobostigon's grep and less
[20:12] <daftykins> yeah you could just grep the file direct there :D
[20:12] <brobostigon> less /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep iphone | less
[20:16] <daftykin1> oh dear i've actually lost a few megabits since faffing with the phone cables
[20:17] <diddledan> :-o
[20:17] <diddledan> that was careless
[20:17] <daftykin1> i know, if only i'd swept them up as well as the paint chippings
[20:17] <daftykins> stands to reason flexing the cable around would harm my rates :)
[20:18] <diddledan> rates have gone up again? damned taxes!
[20:18] <daftykins> kinda tempted to just run my own replacement cable tbh whilst i have the scaffold
[20:18] <daftykins> ooh yes, the island needs a new golden donkey statue
[20:18] <penguin42> daftykins: It hardly looks 'balanced'
[20:19] <daftykins> uh oh, clone problems
[20:20] <daftykins> *ahem*
[20:20] <daftykins> balanced you say?
[20:22] <daftykins> yep definitely lost sync a few mins ago, ho-hum
[20:22] <daftykins> i wonder if electrical wholesalers sell outdoor spec by the metre
[20:23] <penguin42> daftykins: it's supposed to be tricky because when they get upset they'll drop back a bit and wont come back up for a while
[20:24] <daftykins> ah indeedy
[20:24] <daftykins> to be honest i'm a bit beyond the line length to even have the 60Mb down service i'm on, as when i was on the 40Mb i saw a sync speed of only 52
[20:24] <daftykins> bit annoying to see they put interleaving on too, probably from the time i was getting packet loss
[20:25] <daftykins> i've an odd one at my parents place, they're on the basic 20Mb down and 1Mb up ADSL2+ service, the download is absolutely fine but the upload isn't so stable and there's crackling on the voice line if you just listen to the dial tone... i even replaced the socket for a filter built-in type
[20:26] <daftykins> their answer is to apply a profile capping the upload to 768Kbps but i'm not fond of that approach