[00:30] <dprophit> is it ok to get help with ubuntu bind9 in here?
[00:33] <Bashing-om> dprophit: Yes, statue your issue to the channel .
[00:55] <ollien> I'm trying to change my shell to zsh using chsh -s /usr/bin/zsh but I keep getting the error message "You may not change the shell for 'nick'" Is there a way to fix this? I'm not sure what the issue is
[01:06] <leftyfb> ollien: please post the full terminal with error message to pastebin
[01:07] <ollien> leftyfb: https://hastebin.com/fixudalacu.rb
[01:07] <leftyfb> ollien: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[01:08] <ollien> leftyfb: 16.04.2
[01:09] <leftyfb> it's working for me on several machines
[01:09] <leftyfb> ollien: did you lock this down somehow or is this a non-standard install?
[01:09] <ollien> leftyfb: This is a stock image from digital ocean
[01:09] <ollien> No clue what they do to lock that down
[01:09] <leftyfb> you'll need to contact them then
[01:09] <dprophit> Anyone successfully installed ispconfig and got email and dns working? I have courier + maildrop, bind9
[01:09] <ollien> aight
[01:09] <ollien> thanks
[01:10] <leftyfb> otherwise, you can just edit /etc/passwd
[01:10] <leftyfb> or sudo usermod -s <shell> <username>
[01:10] <ollien> leftyfb: I can do that, but I'm curious as to why it doesn't work with chsh
[01:10] <glitsj16> ollien: is zsh installed?
[01:10] <ollien> glitsj16: yes
[01:10] <leftyfb> ollien: I'm going to guess because of DO's image
[01:10] <leftyfb> dprophit: I would highly suggest not bothering with ispconfig
[01:10] <ollien> and it's in /etc/shells
[01:11] <dprophit> leftyfb: if you know of a better one....open source one
[01:11] <leftyfb> dprophit: vim
[01:11] <leftyfb> or nano if you don't know vim
[01:11] <dprophit> other than an editor =)
[01:12] <leftyfb> dprophit: if you're interested in learning how to build/administer a server, then a webUI like ispconfig will achieve quite the opposite results you're looking for
[01:12] <leftyfb> likewise if you're trying to run things properly
[01:13] <dprophit> leftyfb: Not trying to learn sysadmin.
[01:13] <leftyfb> dprophit: see my 2nd point
[01:14] <leftyfb> dprophit: webui's like those tend to mess with configs in ways that add confusion and complexity and can even break things. It's also a security risk. It also encourages point-and-click sysadmining
[01:15] <dprophit> I get your point. ANyone else?
[01:16] <leftyfb> dprophit: can I ask what is your reasoning behind wanting something like ispconfig?
[01:16] <dprophit> Easily manage my domain. Focus on what I do which is not being a sysadmin
[01:17] <leftyfb> dprophit: there are proper hosted services for such things
[01:17] <dprophit> I got your point already.
[02:25] <docmur> Hey, where do I find the block device or the mount point for my android phone?
[03:05] <CoderEurope> Anyone wanna join us in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[03:25] <hanasaki> anyone please know of a usb dongle bluetooth that works with linux and does full audio with a phone too?  perfer bt4.2 / 4.1 as a compromise . thanks
[04:03] <jmadero> hi all - I've added a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/ but my program isn't showing up in the applications list
[04:11] <sirru5h> jmadero, what version of ubuntu and desktop are you using with ubuntu?
[04:11] <jmadero> sirru5h: 16.04, Gnome
[04:15] <sirru5h> Give this a quick look I've had to manually add some entries for packages here and there myself https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-packagekit/stable/add-remove.html.en
[04:24] <camonz> hi, is there a way to overclock nvidia cards through a headless server?
[04:58] <kristhian> do you guys have any idea on linphone?
[04:59] <kristhian> can i contact it using a landline number?
[04:59] <lil__> hi there, is it possible to send a string from the commandline as input to a chrome window? I'd like to create a javascript workflow with a console and my native vim editor,  but I'm not sure how to do this...
[05:01] <Wa|kTh3___> kristhian: /j #linphone
[05:05] <kristhian> nobody's there actually
[05:05] <kristhian> hehehe
[05:07] <sirru5h> I'm kinda half here
[05:10] <basheba_A0P> I hate when that happens
[05:13] <thewillo> what is linphone?
[05:13] <cfhowlett> thewillo, are you asking us to google that for you?   cause ... no
[05:14] <thewillo> no, i'm asking what it is because someone was talking about it so they must know
[05:14] <thewillo> Oh I see
[05:36] <lil__> so is most of the channel bots?
[05:36] <cfhowlett> no
[05:36] <lil__> haha, it worked! mind if I re-iterate a non-liphone question?
[05:37] <cfhowlett> go ahead
[05:37] <lil__> I'd love to know if there's a way to have lines of text sent from my terminal to a javascript console in chrome.
[05:38] <lil__> is that possible? what would you suggest I read up on to help myself out?
[05:38] <cfhowlett> completely over my head so I could only supply wild guesses.  I would suggest #java might know
[05:39] <lil__> I saw online that there's a tool called xdotool that helps with emulating input, but that seemed like it was only for occasional hotkey input not lines  of text?
[05:40] <cfhowlett> never used it, nor do I do any java stuff so ...
[05:41] <cfhowlett> sounds like you are describing piping directly from terminal to java.  Gotta be a way, but again --over my head
[05:42] <lil__> thanks either way! good to know its not all computers running the chat haha
[06:01] <sirru5h> lil__,  java != javascript ... ask in #javascript
[06:02] <lil__> haha, I would never!
[06:05] <sirru5h> lil__,  I didn't want you to end up in the wrong place ;)
[06:06] <lil__> yea I have found a working solution thanks to a couple of concessions
[08:35] <dreamon> hello. since 3 days Im trying to run a nvidia driver on my optimus notebook nvidia/intel chipset on Ubuntu 16.04
[08:36] <dreamon> no luck at all. yesterday it works . but switched with prime-select intel and back to nvidia it was gone.
[08:37] <dreamon> now i cannot switch back to nvidia anymore. no way to get it back to work. I would prefere to switch over change in bios between optimus and intel
[08:43] <sary> dreamon: are you using bumblebee!
[09:05] <iopq> when I'm playing a full screen game for some reason Ctrl+5 shortcut doesn't work, could that be an Ubuntu shortcut somewhere
[09:05] <iopq> Shift+5 works just fine
[09:05] <iopq> and 5 itself works
[09:06] <iopq> Ctrl+4 works
[09:06] <iopq> so does Ctrl+6
[09:08] <sary> isn't there a shortcuts settings in System setings --> keybord .
[09:13] <Dave_Elec> guys how can i minimize a wine game?
[09:13] <Dave_Elec> fullscreen
[09:20] <sklv> hi, i'm trying to use https://github.com/IntegersOfK/Hoin-POS-58-80 (80mm, 64 bit system) but even though the job completes successfully nothing happens on the printer. This is my debugging log http://sprunge.us/eJZh . I know the printer is funcitonal becaues I can echo "text" > /dev/usb/lp0 and it prints
[09:22] <sary> Dave_Elec: it should be in wine config , you may wanna ask in #winehq .
[09:22] <iopq> The only shortcut that is relevant is Ctrl + Alt + 5 which is "Toggle minimization state" sary
[10:09] <rcmainak> I got a new seagate external hard disk. My ubuntu can't find it
[10:15] <the_cheetah> Hey guys .... Does anyone know how to install powerline plugin in oh-my-zsh?
[10:19] <bazhang> the_cheetah, wheres the package from
[10:20] <the_cheetah> bazhang: which package?
[10:20] <bazhang> powerline plugin
[10:20] <the_cheetah> bazhang: I just installed it using pip
[10:20] <the_cheetah> but it's not showing up in omz
[10:21] <bazhang> the_cheetah, how is this an ubuntu issue
[10:22] <the_cheetah> Well its not a ubuntu issue but i'm installing it on ubuntu :/
[10:22] <bazhang> !find powerline
[10:24] <the_cheetah> ok .. i get it ... i can install it with apt-get ... let me try
[10:24] <bazhang> the_cheetah, the docs for powerline show it very clearly
[10:25] <bazhang> the_cheetah, you got them, did you not read them yet?
[10:25] <the_cheetah> I don't know why but i'm not able to find those docs .. can you please send the link?
[10:28] <beefjoe> Why does it take forever for sites like Facebook and imgur to fully load ? it happens on FF and Chromium
[10:28] <beefjoe> while it's totally fine on my mobile and windows laptop
[10:59] <sary> rcmainak: Ubuntu should not have any issues mounting HPFS/NTFS/exFAT, FAT or EXT{1,2,3} out of the box. Sometimes, devices don't automount you may have a missing module!
[11:00] <rcmainak> sary, it's working fine with windows
[11:01] <sary> rcmainak: which ubuntu version, and to run sudo fdisk -l , ind your device in the list. It is probably something like /dev/sdb1
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:05] <sary> Hyia
[11:05] <rcmainak> sary, Ubuntu 16.04.  `sudo fdisk -l` is still running without any output.
[11:09] <egrain> i can't find the skypeforlinux package with apt-cache search. do i need some repositories added or something?
[11:10] <EriC^^> !skype | egrain
[11:10] <sary> rcmainak: That's weird!, it should take a second to show.
[11:11] <egrain> EriC^^, Important notice: All Skype for Linux clients version 4.3 and older will be retired on July 1, 2017. To keep chatting, please install the latest version of Skype for Linux.
[11:11] <egrain> does ubuntu have the "latest" one?
[11:11] <EriC^^> the one in the repos is 4.3
[11:12] <egrain> EriC^^, game over, man! game over!
[11:12] <rcmainak> sary, still processing. same happens with `sudo parted -l` & gparted
[11:12] <EriC^^> hah :D
[11:12] <egrain> calls don't work anymore with that since today.
[11:12] <egrain> but i heard there is a skypeforlinux wrapper for the web client.
[11:12] <EriC^^> https://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/
[11:12] <EriC^^> seems legit
[11:14] <egrain> well, can i expect a proper package? if i've learned anything then not to install stuff by hand.
[11:14] <rcmainak> sary, after upluging & repluging the drive fdisk says `fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdb: No such file or directory`
[11:15] <EriC^^> egrain: it's a package file
[11:15] <EriC^^> if you double click it it should install itself and maybe add a ppa if we're lucky
[11:16] <egrain> EriC^^, i'll do that then.
[11:16] <egrain> EriC^^, thanks a bunch.
[11:16] <EriC^^> egrain: no problem
[12:09] <danielhuman> does anyone know if there is a window manager for Unity that would integrate with workspaces?
[12:21] <beefjoe> Why does it take forever for sites like Facebook and imgur to fully load ? it happens on FF and Chromium
[12:21] <beefjoe> while it's totally fine on my mobile and windows laptop
[12:30] <cfhowlett>  !ping
[12:30] <cfhowlett> ping!
[12:41] <sary> beefjoe: i don't use facebook , but imgur and youtube loads fine in firefox! i use google public dns. try using that or opendns .. if that doesn't help i'd ask facebook an imgur!
[12:41] <beefjoe> I think it has to do with my ubuntu installation..I'll try to change the dns
[12:43] <sary> why would you assume that! do you have the same issu loding other websites!
[12:44] <cfhowlett> sary, easy test to see if it's ubuntu issue; install an alternate browser.  I suggest chromium-browser
[12:45] <sary> cfhowlett: true, beefjoe mentioned having the same issue with chromium.
[12:46] <beefjoe> sary exactly
[12:46] <banyantree> Hey guys. My ubuntu 16.04 lts is stuck in a login screen loop (unity-greeter). Can somebody help me to trobleshoot this?
[12:46] <beefjoe> it happens on youtube sometimes..imgur and facebook
[12:46] <banyantree> the last thing i did: i connected a new screen via hdmi
[12:47] <banyantree> i went on systemsettings -> display things and clicked on detect screens -> it stucked up and i rebooted.
[12:48] <banyantree> now i cant login =(
[12:49] <cfhowlett> sary, as beefjoe suggested, check your DNS settings
[12:50] <sary> cfhowlett: it's the other way :) it's beefjoe's issue.
[12:50] <beefjoe> lol
[12:51] <cfhowlett> I'm so confused ...
[12:51] <beefjoe> how to change to google's public dns ?
[12:51] <beefjoe> got a link for a guide ?
[13:06] <beefjoe> cfhowlett sary changed to google dns but still same issue..
[13:08] <cfhowlett> beefjoe, ONLY on FB/imgur?
[13:08] <beefjoe> youtube
[13:08] <beefjoe> sometimes other sites randomly where it hangs a bit
[13:08] <cfhowlett> flash heavy iirc.
[13:08] <beefjoe> I have to refresh in such case
[13:10] <beefjoe> http://i.imgur.com/150EFHs.png
[13:13] <sary> banyantree: seems like the GPU driver is acting up, or if your not using the Proprietary driver that might be required! for now:  get to ta virtual terminal: Ctrl+Alt+F1 , login with username and passwd, unplug the HDMI cable.. run sudo service lightdm restart , or sudo reboot .
[13:17] <beefjoe> I might have found something
[13:17] <beefjoe> when I do a speedtest
[13:17] <beefjoe> the ping and down speed are fine, but can't retrieve the up speed for some reason
[13:19] <sary> time to ping that sucker ISP!
[13:20] <cfhowlett> http://www.speedtest.net/
[13:20] <beefjoe> sary but how come it happens only on my ubuntu laptop ? I have several other devices here that are totally fine
[13:20] <beefjoe> cfhowlett yep http://i.imgur.com/sMZ0c6F.png
[13:22] <parapan> hello ppl; need some advice with using tightvnc server under ubuntu 16.04; seems like the remote administrator is not fully functional . . .
[13:22] <sary> i prefer http://beta.speedtest.net , it's HTML5
[13:23] <sary> beefjoe: that's true, did you change anything in your system network configuration!
[13:23] <beefjoe> sary not until now where I changed to Google DNS
[13:24] <beefjoe> That's what I got on beta.speedtest http://i.imgur.com/ynwyAIh.png
[13:25] <sary> beefjoe: OK, do also test-check the other devices with ookla speedtest, see the up result.
[13:25] <oerheks> sounds more like your router is the problem, wireless perhaps?
[13:25] <beefjoe> it is wireless
[13:26] <beefjoe> I get 5 mbps upload on my windows 10 laptop
[13:26] <beefjoe> 5.14 to be exact
[13:28] <oerheks> reset your router, might help, and delete your firefox/chrome profile, nad restart browser
[13:28] <sary> do get the same speed test result with the wired cable!
[13:29] <blackdalek> In Kino, the audio device selection is pointing to "/dev/dsp" which does not exist. What is the correct address for my audio device so that Kino can use it?
[13:29] <beefjoe> sary but why would this laptop not get enough upload on wireless ?
[13:32] <sary> beefjoe: it's not clear to me for now , but at this point i'd guess that it could be the wireless driver .. so to be sure test the speed with a wired cable on the laptop.
[13:32] <beefjoe> ok will do
[13:33] <sary> beefjoe: also, what are the security settings for wifi in the router!
[13:34] <oerheks> i would try resetting router first, before doing changes to the config..
[13:35] <blackdalek> How do I find the path to my audio device? e.g. /dev/????
[13:36] <oerheks> ubuntu kino
[13:38] <oerheks> blackdalek, hmm, lots of forumposts about that issue .. what is so special about your ubuntu install??
[13:39] <beefjoe> oerheks after router reset I get 0.45 mbps upload for now..
[13:40] <blackdalek> oerheks, nothing special... jsut trying to get Kino's edit screen to work properly, but it needs to know the path for the audio device. It points to "/dev/dsp" by default. I need to change it to point to the correct path... but I can't figure out what the correct path should be.
[13:40] <beefjoe> doing a speedtest again gives 0 upload speed :(
[13:47] <sary> blackdalek: from " man dsp " /dev/dsp  is  the default audio device in the system. In Kino, Edit -> Preferences -> Audio Tab -> Audio Device /dev/dsp , Change the default open command for *.kino files to "padsp kino" .
[13:49] <blackdalek> sary, what is padsp?
[13:51] <blackdalek> I get no man page entry for dsp
[13:51] <sary> blackdalek: i think the pa stands for pulseuadio, with dsp it is acting as an OSS application that is not aware of pulseuadio, so has to be told where to find the sound device.
[13:52] <sary> blackdalek: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man7/dsp.7.html
[13:53] <blackdalek> Are you saying there is no way to simply tell Kino a new path? I have to launch Kino through padsp instead?
[13:59] <sary> blackdalek: The device files for sound devices are located at /dev/snd/
[14:03] <blackdalek> is /dev/snd/controlC0 the audio device?
[14:06] <RonWhoCares> Could someone tell me what I have to do for 'sudo' has access to pip3   https://pastebin.com/wCyDuxQ2
[14:08] <compdoc> maybe move it?
[14:26] <RonWhoCares> Ok
[14:26] <RonWhoCares> I get that one sorted out
[14:32] <dudeji> Hi i am not getting sound in my earphone but my laptop speakers are working fine and bluetooth speakers are also working fine.
[14:33] <dudeji> ubuntu 16.04 | updated with gnome shell , earlier pop-up used to come headphone or headset , that is also not coming anymore.
[14:38] <erikj> I've recently upgraded to ubuntu 17.04, and now i can't log with any of the gnome fallback sessions (I usually use gnome xmonad session). It seems to work for new accounts once, but then subsequently when it logs in it loads the panels and then segfaults and goes back to login screen. Anyone have any ideas?
[14:38] <erikj> (in syslog you can see gnome-fallback-session segfaulting)
[14:39] <sary> dudeji: run alsamixer , is the Headphon muted!
[14:39] <dudeji> headphone is not listed there
[14:40] <dudeji> sPDIF ,sPDIF 1 sPDIF 2, is there and all 00
[14:43] <dudeji> how to reset alsamixer?
[14:44] <sary> $run: alsactl restore
[14:44] <dudeji> alsactl init is cmd
[14:50] <sary> erikj: Get into a virtual terminal by Ctrl+alt+F1 , login with username and passwd then run $sudo dpkg --configure -a  ..
[14:50] <renn0xtk9> my sudo apt-get update stick on the line : 0% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1360:8001::17)] [Connecting to dl.google.com (2a00:1450:4001:81b::200e)] forever
[14:51] <sary> erikj: which login manager is use , restart with : sudo service lightdm restart , or replace it with gdm, if it's GDM manager/
[14:51] <renn0xtk9> i don't understand what is really going on there: is it trying to connect to security.ubunut.com or to dl.google.com?
[14:52] <sary> renn0xtk9: try first running : apt-get clean
[14:54] <renn0xtk9> sary same thing
[14:55] <renn0xtk9> on the right side I see "1200kbit/s " for a few secs, and then no more and it stucks on that line
[14:56] <sary> are you able to ping security.ubuntu.com
[14:59] <renn0xtk9> sary  after a ( long ) while it overcamed it saying  Ign:22 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease                . Now it stucks solely on 0% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1360:8001::17)]
[15:00] <renn0xtk9> lude$ ping 2001:67c:1560:8001
[15:00] <renn0xtk9> ping: unknown host 2001:67c:1560:8001
[15:00] <oerheks> renn0xtk9, are you behind a proxy?
[15:01] <renn0xtk9> oerheks, Nope, router only
[15:05] <renn0xtk9> 2001:67c:1562:16 < it s ther ipv6 huh?  ping 2001:67c:1562:16  should be the right way to ping no?
[15:05] <faugusztin> that is not a correct IP address tho
[15:05] <faugusztin> only a prefixc
[15:05] <faugusztin> pinging 2001:67c:1360:8001::17 gives me 36-38ms
[15:13] <renn0xtk9> okay after a huge while it seems he has done it ...
[15:13] <renn0xtk9> when you see this W: GPG error: https://repo.skype.com/deb stable InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 1F3045A5DF7587C3 what does that mean exactly? should I remove the repo?
[15:14] <oerheks> renn0xtk9, on what ubuntu version ?
[15:15] <oerheks> skype sotpped working, iirc ... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/06/skype-4-3-linux-stop-working-july-2017 so the servers are down too, i guess
[15:15] <oerheks> c/stopped
[15:15] <renn0xtk9> okasy so at best remove it
[15:23] <bipul> Hi,
[15:25] <bipul> I need to know what is the meaning of "core" here "mariadb-client-core-10.0" when i was trying to install mariadb
[15:26] <Dirkos> When i try to do telnet on my machine it cannot connect however from a machine within the same network it works fine. Where should i look?
[15:26] <Dirkos> My ubuntu device itself is having access to the internet as it can reach google for example. It fails on "telnet pro.sslusenet.com 563"
[15:28] <Dirkos> And my firwall is inactive ("ufw status")
[15:30] <Muskedunder> Hi, I have an external drive with music files, created under windows. No I'd like to move these to my Ubuntu machine. Their permissions are set to 'rwxrwxrwx'; however, when I try to copy them, I get "Permission denied". Can anyone tell me what's going on?
[15:31] <Muskedunder> In addition to that: When I try to open any one of the mp3's with Audacious, it tells me "Error reading metadata"
[15:36] <RonWhoCares> How do I resolve the conflict @ https://pastebin.com/FyLPkzDp
[15:36] <Dirkos> My problem is at the wifi adapter it seems!
[15:42] <cfhowlett> renn0xtk9, time to upgrade.  install skypeforlinux  from the repos
[15:42] <pavlos> RonWhoCares: seems you need to clean up your sources.list these are Warnings
[15:42] <RonWhoCares> pavlos: Manually?
[15:43] <oerheks> maybe that skype ppa is dead ... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/06/skype-4-3-linux-stop-working-july-2017
[15:44] <oerheks> you are not the 1st one
[15:44] <RonWhoCares> What is the package manager for Ubuntu 16.04
[15:44] <oerheks> apt
[15:45] <RonWhoCares> I mean I don't see the software manager icon in my 'system settings'
[15:46] <oerheks> it is in "sources"
[15:46] <Menzador> Oh, the graphical package management software? The default is Ubuntu Software.
[15:46] <m00n_urn> hey!
[15:46] <m00n_urn> why does ubuntu 14.04's resolv.conf empty? except for a warning to not edit the file?
[15:46] <Menzador> "Software Manager" is a Mint thing
[15:46] <RonWhoCares> I am trying to think of the one that shows all the PPA sourfces
[15:47] <oerheks> software&updates>sources
[15:47] <Menzador> m00n_urn: You're actually looking for /run/resolvconf/resolve.conf , /etc/resolve.conf points to it
[15:47] <m00n_urn> why does ubuntu 14.04's resolv.conf empty? except for a warning to not edit the file?
[15:47] <Menzador> * /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf , ** /etc/resolv.conf points to it
[15:48] <pavlos> RonWhoCares: in control settings there is a software & updates, then other software tab shows ppa's
[15:49] <Menzador> So if you're looking to add networking to a chroot you'll want to copy /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf into the chroot's /etc/resolv.conf
[15:50] <m00n_urn> Menzador: symlink? coz /etc/resolv.conf is empty but run/resolvconf/resolv.conf has nameserver 127.0.0.1
[15:50] <Menzador> Yes, it is a symlink
[15:50] <oerheks> m00n_urn, dns is handled by network-manager, that is why it is empty
[15:51] <m00n_urn> but shouldn't symlink be a mirror of the file?
[15:51] <Menzador> and symlinked elsewhere
[15:51] <m00n_urn> alright
[15:52] <sary> Muskedunder: run$ gksudo nautilus .. see if you are able to copy them!
[15:52] <RonWhoCares> how do I purge skype
[15:52] <m00n_urn> Menzador: can network-manager opened up using the command?
[15:52] <oerheks> !ppapurge
[15:53] <Menzador> m00n_urn: nm-applet
[15:53] <m00n_urn> RonWhoCares: apt-get remove skyp[tab] && apt-get purge skyp[tab] && apt-get autoremove && apt-get autoclean && updatedb
[15:54] <m00n_urn> Menzador: nm-applet gives me error
[15:54] <Menzador> The latest Skype client for Linux can be had through Flatpak, not sure if there's a PPA
[15:55] <Menzador> m00n_urn: Can you not get to it?
[15:55] <oerheks> m00n_urn, well, just use the networkmanager from your desktop, easy ..
[15:55] <oerheks> if you open an applet from commandline, you will get warnings indeed
[16:01] <m00n_urn> okay
[16:03] <Aison> what maybe the reason, that I can boot in recovery mode and then in the menu I select "resume" and everything works
[16:03] <Aison> but it is not possible to boot directly in normal mode
[16:03] <Giant81> Can anyone help me with my wifi not working on xubuntu 16.04, Lenovo laptop, intel 7260 chipset. Fresh install
[16:04] <Giant81> Sudo lshw -C network
[16:04] <Menzador> Giant81: Is your card detected?
[16:04] <Giant81> Shows wireless as DISABLED.
[16:04] <Giant81> Yes looks like driver installed
[16:04] <Menzador> [ sudo ip link ]
[16:05] <Muskedunder> @sary I have tried your suggestion, still won't work. Nautilus gives me "Error splicing file: permission denied"
[16:05] <Elish> hi, if i seek for a secure linux system to hardnen, would ubuntu be the best candidate?
[16:05] <Menzador> !pastebin
[16:05] <Menzador> !best
[16:06] <Menzador> Elish: That's for you to find out
[16:06] <Menzador> Ubuntu uses AppArmor by default, by the way.
[16:06] <Giant81> Wlp5s0 shows DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
[16:06] <oerheks> hardening a secure system, can that be done?
[16:06] <Menzador> [ sudo ip link set wlp5s0 up ]
[16:06] <Menzador> Giant81: ^
[16:07] <BluesKaj> Giant81, disconnect the ethernet connection and run lshw -C network, again.
[16:07] <Muskedunder> sary: I have tried your suggestion, still won't work. Nautilus gives me "Error splicing file: permission denied"
[16:07] <BluesKaj> Giant81, using sudo
[16:07] <fallentree> oerheks: hardly secure when systemd elevates service privileges to root if it wants to run under a username that start with a number.
[16:09] <Giant81> Not showing disabled anymore
[16:09] <BluesKaj> try network manager
[16:10] <fallentree> Elish: no. if you want a properly hardened system, look for things like grsecurity, selinux, no systemd, etc...
[16:10] <Giant81> Still shows down , let me see if I can see any ssids
[16:11] <Elish> fallentree,  thanks
[16:12] <Giant81> After a restart I see networks now
[16:12] <Menzador> No systemd
[16:12] <Giant81> So I can learn, what was the problem?
[16:13] <Menzador> That's an "init wars" argument
[16:13] <Menzador> Giant81: Probably had to do with the Ethernet being connected
[16:14] <fallentree> Menzador: it is not. when the developers of said init system refuse to fix a security vulnerability, then the argument is against that init system in a secure environment. plain and simple.
[16:14] <Giant81> Ethernet wasn't connected
[16:14] <Giant81> Chatting on my phone
[16:15] <Menzador> fallentree: But at this point systemd is more than just init - it's a microkernel/userspace daemon, which means security becomes complicated. Anyway, that's all I'm about to say
[16:16] <Giant81> I'll chalk it up to an anomaly since it was the first boot
[16:16] <Giant81> Maybe a reboot would have fixed it to begin with, ty very much for the help
[16:18] <fallentree> Menzador: which changes absolutely nothing about the fact that it should not be used in a secure environment.
[16:20] <oerheks> fallentree, do you have a bugreport on that?
[16:20] <Menzador> Yes, I should like to inspect
[16:20] <fallentree> oerheks: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237
[16:21] <oerheks> ty
[16:22] <Menzador> "I wonder which tool allowed you to create it in the 1st place.
[16:23] <oerheks> fallentree, so it s not a bug in systemd itself.. but ugly indeed
[16:23] <fallentree> oerheks: of course it is a bug in systemd
[16:23] <fallentree> you create a user, ask a process to be run under that user, and it runs as root.
[16:24] <oerheks> No, it is a shadow-utils issue, adduser complains, useradd doesn't.
[16:24] <sary> Muskedunder: while the drive plugged in , run$ ls /media , Make a note of the folder name (/media/name) and then run: sudo chown -R username:username /media/mount-point(drive name) , Change username:username with your own username .
[16:24] <fallentree> oerheks: no it is not. systemd is elevating to root. period.
[16:25] <fallentree> oerheks: besides, '0day' username is POSIX compliant.
[16:25] <fallentree> the tools allow it because the tools are POSIX compliant.
[16:25] <fallentree> which is beside the point! systemd runs a service configured to run as unprivileged user, as root. period.
[16:26] <Menzador> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237#issuecomment-312479534
[16:27] <fallentree> a service was asked to be run as non root. that criteria could not be met because <reasons>. the proper response is: fail to run the service until the admin corrects the problem.
[16:31] <Aison> it looks like ubuntu zesty cannot handle VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[16:31] <Aison> I have to boot with nomodeset
[16:31] <Aison> but then I get a resolution of 1024x768 only
[16:39] <Muskedunder> sary: Thanks, but when I enter that, the process is stuck... But literally all subfolders are marked "drwxrwxrwx", so I should have permission?
[16:39] <Muskedunder> ...in the first place
[16:43] <Menzador> OK, I'm back. Drive through a giant no service area
[16:44] <Menzador> TL;DR: shadow-utils fails itself. systemd detects invalid user, it logs the service and watches as units fail to load.
[16:46] <fallentree> Menzador: uh it doesn't fail to load. it starts the service as root. '0day' has a UID in the system, it is not an invalid user.
[16:47] <fallentree> the problem is in systemd parsing 0 and ignoring day. the problem is in systemd wrongly parsing the User= entry.
[16:48] <Menzador> Well there's a reason for that
[16:48] <Menzador> User= is for SYSTEM USERS ONLY
[16:48] <Menzador> Not regular ones
[16:49] <Menzador> shadow-utils ultimately is at fault here for permitting invalid usernames without complaint
[16:49] <fallentree> Menzador: that is not true, read the systemd.exec manpage
[16:49] <fallentree> User=, Group=    Set the UNIX user or group that the processes are executed as, respectively.
[16:50] <fallentree> "Takes a single user or group name, or numeric ID as argument."
[16:50] <fallentree> it fails at "numeric ID" because it doesn't parse the whole value
[16:52] <Menzador> It will run, but THE UNIT WILL FAIL
[16:52] <fallentree> it will not fail, I'm running one right now.
[16:59] <fallentree> you don't even have to have '0day' user on the system, it will still run, because it parses only the 0 part, and not the 'day' part. I'm running a test service right now. no failure, runs as root, with User=0day  (the user doesn't exist on the system)
[16:59] <sary> Muskedunder: I don't know what the nautilus error means.. could it be that there sre folders on your external hard drive that are encrypted@ ## on the mounted disk. Type mount to see if /media/yourUser/DriveName .... has somewhere the options "rw", and How are you copying the files from the external drive! which filysystem the drive formatted as?
[17:00] <fallentree> so you see, it has ZERO to do with shadow utils, doesn't matter what useradd does. you don't have to touch useradd. systemd will parse User= wrongly.
[17:04] <Menzador> I may want to run a few tests on this myself.
[17:04] <sary> Aison: You can set/add resolutions to the monitor app using "xrandr" .
[17:45] <Richard_Cavell> Sometimes when I save .jpg or .pgn files off the Internet, they have a kind of 3D effect on the right and bottom.  I don't want this.  I want to use the image as an icon.  How do I remove the shadow?
[17:45] <Richard_Cavell> I'm talking about something that Ubuntu is adding when displaying the thumbnail
[17:48] <senaps> is there any way for me to replace a website's coockie on firefox?
[17:49] <ikonia> replace ?
[17:52] <wedgie> senaps: the developer toolbar allows some modification. Not sure if there is a way to give it a whole new one... i'll have to keep reading
[17:53] <wedgie> senaps: cookie set <name> <value>
[17:54] <senaps> i have the coockie of a user(my test user) dumped, saved to a file. removed the coockies and loged in to the website again . now, i have heard that they might get a coockie of a user and use it! i guess they would place this coockie in their browser and access the website as the owner of the coockie? i have to secure my web from this type of attack. and to check if i'm okay, i have to be able to use my admin user coockie with a new private session to see
[17:54] <senaps> if i can access the admin area or not.
[17:54] <senaps> what should the name be? the name of website or part of the session?
[17:55] <wedgie> senaps: ##security might be a better place to ask. Fairly offtopic for #ubuntu
[17:56] <senaps> wedgie, thanks....and sorry
[17:56] <wedgie> but in general, if they've stolen a session cookie somehow then they will likely be able to impersonate that user
[17:59] <oerheks> firebug can edit cookies.. https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/71233/use-cookies-once-stolen
[18:28] <oerheks> 
[18:34] <senaps> hi, sudo apt upgrade, sudo apt install mysql-server and sudo apt dist-upgrade returns error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:34] <senaps> what should i do?
[19:01] <Bashing-om> senaps: Show us what you see : Terminal commands: ' sudo apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ; sudo apt upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . The result are a URL back in terminal, pass the links back here :)
[19:11] <senaps> Bashing-om, i have a very poor connection to the internet, so it might take about half hour to get the result and upload the codes to the webapp
[19:17] <gambl0re> how do i download geckodriver?
[19:17] <phos1> i need to run a command against a specific path, but the only variable I am given is always one level to deep. How can I go back up one level? I.e get myfolder/mfolder2/mydirectory and I want myfolder/mfolder2 (A compass compile command)
[19:18] <senaps> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25005997/ and i think these repos are unofficial. is it safe to remove'em?
[19:20] <Bashing-om> senaps: Look'n . Be right back .
[19:20] <gambl0re> when i do - wget https://github.com/mozilla/geckodriver/releases/download/v0.17.0/geckodriver-v0.17.0-linux64.tar.gz. where is it saving the file?
[19:22] <Bashing-om> senaps: " 30 packages can be upgraded " next ..  what is the result of the upgrade command ?
[19:23] <pavlos> gambl0re: current dir
[19:25] <senaps> Bashing-om, it's still doing the download. it should download part of the files needed and then come back with error
[19:26] <Bashing-om> senaps: K; ya doing well . we wait on the connection :)
[19:28] <gambl0re> do i run 'sudo apt-get install firefox' if i want to upgrade?
[19:30] <senaps> :( it says that i have to wait another 30 minutes for a 30 MB update to be downloaded.
[19:33] <Bashing-om> senaps: Ouch ! All I know to do is exercise our patience :)
[19:34] <Bashing-om> !onfo firefox | gambl0re
[19:34] <Bashing-om> !info firefox | gambl0re
[19:41] <Giant81> for virtualbox on Ubuntu, whats the big difference between the one installed from teh repo and the one gotten straight from oracle?
[19:42] <adriancs35> Hello!
[19:45] <Giant81> nevermind, looks like YEARS ago they did away with the separate versions
[19:46] <Richard_Cavell> Giant81: What are you running in a VM?
[19:46] <Giant81> a cisco IOS-XE programming kit I got from LIVE has a CSRv1k vbox vm
[19:47] <adriancs35> I have a problem and I was wondering if I can get some help here?
[19:48] <edwinksl> just go ahead and describe your problem
[19:49] <Giant81> if it's an ubuntu problem, probably, but you have a rash somewhere, you might need to see a DR instead :p
[19:51] <Jakethepython1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006210/
[19:51] <Jakethepython1> i get errors when i try to do a apt-get upgrade
[19:52] <adriancs35> I am trying to compile a application using GCC5, but I encounter this error at linking: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvalgrind
[19:52] <adriancs35> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[19:52] <adriancs35> "
[19:52] <Jakethepython1> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:56] <akik> adriancs35: you don't have that library installed(?)
[19:56] <adriancs35> @akik I have installed valgrind by "sudo apt-get install valgrind".
[20:01] <akik> adriancs35: it installs the pkg config file in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/valgrind.pc maybe you'll find tips there
[20:02] <unholymachine> does anyone have experience with PXE booting?
[20:02] <Jakethepython1> i want to upgrade to 16.04 but i want to clear my errors so it is clean first
[20:03] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: is your /boot partition full?
[20:04] <Jakethepython1> no
[20:05] <Jakethepython1> i/dev/md125p1    142G   45G   91G  33% /
[20:09] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: can you pastebin /boot
[20:11] <Jakethepython1> pastbin what is in boot directory?
[20:12] <Jakethepython1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006348/
[20:13] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: if all you have is 59 and 72, Idk why the upgrade tried to remove the 3.19.*
[20:14] <Jakethepython1> me either
[20:15] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: pastebin this, dpkg -l | grep linux-image (looking for the first chars to be rc
[20:16] <Jakethepython1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006376/
[20:17] <CoderEurope> Anyone know how I can get onto telegram on ubuntu podcast ?
[20:17] <CoderEurope> I have an ubuntu phone.
[20:17] <CoderEurope> and computer & phone sim-card
[20:19] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-3.16.0-30-generic and the same for the -extra and repeat for all that have rc in the beginning
[20:21] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: then, sudo apt -f install to fix deps
[20:21] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: and an update/upgrade should be clean
[20:22] <Bashing-om> Jakethepython1: pavlos might be quicker ' dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P ' But still gots to deal with " iU  linux-image-generic " . What is the booting kernel ?
[20:23] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: what does uname -r say? (as Bashing-om wrote
[20:23] <Jakethepython1> E: Unable to locate package to
[20:23] <Jakethepython1> E: Unable to locate package fix
[20:23] <Jakethepython1> E: Unable to locate package deps
[20:24] <Jakethepython1> 4.4.0-59-generic
[20:24] <CoderEurope> Its okay I fixed telegram :D
[20:26] <Jakethepython1> the unable to locate was a typo on my part
[20:26] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: dpkg -l | grep linux-image should list 5 files, 59, 72, their extra, and a linux-image-generic
[20:27] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: those match what /boot shows
[20:28] <Bashing-om> Jakethepython1: Ya been rm'n where ya shudda been dpkg'n .. and now the package manager is broke ?
[20:29] <Jakethepython1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006447/
[20:29] <Richard_Cavell> Is it possible to convert an Ubuntu MATE installation into a Cinnamon installation?  Or is it "too hard, just reinstall"?
[20:31] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: can you purge the 3.16 (with dpkg as given above
[20:31] <multifractal> Does anyone know a solution (rhythmbox, banshee, whatever) for maintaining a music library on an external hard drive? I don't have enough space on my laptop to permanently keep the music.
[20:32] <CoderEurope> nope
[20:33] <Jakethepython1> pavlos I purged all of the RC ones
[20:34] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: One can install as many DEs as there is disk space . choose what to boot at the login screen drop down . However, removing a DE is a different story .
[20:34] <Sorch> I don't if anyone has noticed but the day on motd.ubuntu.com is wrong..
[20:34] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: the 3.16 seems to be held back so try, sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-3.16.0-77-generic and then the extra as well
[20:35] <Sorch> Its a Thursday not a Wednesday
[20:36] <Jakethepython1> It errors
[20:36] <Jakethepython1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006478/
[20:36] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: purging the 3.16?
[20:37] <Jakethepython1> yes
[20:37] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: complains about a disk now
[20:39] <Bashing-om> Jakethepython1: ^^ " error: disk `mduuid/847f15bca3cfe7dcdcbccf0478d5cc64,1' not found. " what's up with the array ?
[20:40] <Jakethepython1> thats what i am trying to figure out
[20:41] <Jakethepython1> there should be 2 drives and 3 partitions 2 drives are raided adn then i have a system disk
[20:43] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: pastebin this, sudo mdadm -D /dev/md1
[20:43] <Jakethepython1> mdadm: cannot open /dev/md1: No such file or directory
[20:45] <Jakethepython1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006514/
[20:52] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: could it be /dev/md0
[20:52] <Jakethepython1> yes
[20:53] <Jakethepython1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006564/
[20:56] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: sudo grub-probe -v -d /dev/md0
[20:58] <Jakethepython1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006590/
[20:58] <Jakethepython1> looks ugly
[21:00] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: yes, and hope someone else has experience with this to help you out ...
[21:01] <Jakethepython1> so this is the root of the problem?
[21:05] <pavlos> Jakethepython1: so, sudo apt install -f does not fix things, right?
[21:12] <L00P3X> i would understand if it's even possible for me to lower the latency over qjackctl.. have 69.7 latency whit 1024 frames/period and 3 buffer periods.. as i try to lower the frames jack stops working.. not that i have a good pc.. it's a dualcore laptop whit 2gb ram
[21:46] <noraatepernos> I’m trying to upgrade a package salt-master.  I did sudo add-apt-repository ppa:saltstack/salt but when I upgrade the version is stuck at 2015.5.3.  How do I force apt-get to use the saltstack ppa when I upgrade?
[21:46] <noraatepernos> When I list available versions I only show 2015.5.3.  I need to update salt-master to 2015.8.8.
[21:47] <Joshua^Dunamis> noraatepernos: did you sudo apt-get update?
[21:47] <noraatepernos> Joshua^Dunamis: Yes.
[21:48] <Joshua^Dunamis> noraatepernos: Strange! Are you sure it is the right (official) repository?
[21:49] <noraatepernos> https://launchpad.net/~saltstack/+archive/ubuntu/salt
[21:51] <Joshua^Dunamis> noraatepernos: I can't read any salt 2015.8.8
[21:59] <oerheks> noraatepernos, old ppa, 100 weeks ago .. https://launchpad.net/~saltstack/+archive/ubuntu/salt
[22:02] <oerheks> zesty 17.04 gives 2016.11.2 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/salt
[22:14] <blackadder1337> hey, if I double-click a python script which has +x, it opens as .txt file. the script is in a folder on Desktop. The directory has spaces, but I tried no spaces and it's the same - the script opens as txt file. But if I move the script to desktop, it runs...any solutions when it comes to running it from inside of the directory?
[22:20] <JessicaRN> hey folks,  I pulled a bonehead move and I'm hoping one of you kind people might help me pull my ass out of the fire.  I have a win7 x64 machine w/ 2 ntfs partitions.  the data is intact but the pos wont boot.  I tried using the ubunto util "boot-disk-repair" with no luck.  right now I'm just copying the data to my server incase I cant fix it, but afterward what tool would you suggest to help me get this &^@(*&^$! machine booting? 
[22:20] <JessicaRN> is not an option
[22:20] <JessicaRN> I'm downloading the newest ubuntu now to make a live USB
[22:27] <sebsebseb>  
[22:56] <gringolo> hey can someone please help me? I tried to install openproj and i think i crushed my "apt-get". I tried to install with the help of this webpage: https://ballo.wordpress.com/2014/11/27/how-to-install-openproject-on-ubuntu-14-04/. I copied those first lines with "wget -qO ..." and the second one. After that when i try to do something with "sudo apt-get update" for example. there is this error showing up: E: Typ »“deb« in Zeile 1
[22:57] <gringolo> E: Typ »“deb« in Zeile 1 der Quellliste /etc/apt/sources.list.d/openproject.list ist unbekannt. E: Die Liste der Quellen konnte nicht gelesen werden.
[22:57] <sebsebseb> gringolo: oh your German
[22:57] <sebsebseb> whats that in English
[22:57] <sebsebseb> the error message
[22:58] <gringolo> Type >"deb< in first line of the list /etc/... is unknown
[22:59] <gringolo> the list of the source could not be read
[22:59] <sebsebseb> gringolo: who is ballo ?
[22:59] <gringolo> i dont know
[22:59] <sebsebseb> gringolo: don't use the install insturctions for anything from some random webpage, that's good advice for a start
[22:59] <sebsebseb> gringolo: you could probably trust something like omgubuntu  even though that's unoffical, but otherwise its best to stick to more offical sources such as askubuntu
[22:59] <sebsebseb> !support
[23:00] <gringolo> ok
[23:00] <sebsebseb> gringolo: too me it looks like you tried to run some random commands off some random webpage going by the link
[23:00] <edwinksl> lol i see the url for askubuntu is still using http instead of https :P
[23:00] <sebsebseb> now if those commands are meant to work or not,  that's not the point
[23:00] <sebsebseb> it was a random webpage really, that's the point
[23:00] <sebsebseb> gringolo: with that said though, what is openproject really ?
[23:00] <gringolo> openproj is a project management software
[23:00] <sebsebseb> yep repos, offical pages, offical sites, not random webpages
[23:01] <sebsebseb> !find openproj
[23:01] <sebsebseb> !find openproject
[23:01] <sebsebseb> hmm
[23:01] <sebsebseb> not sure if its in the ubuntu repos, but if it is, thats where to get from really
[23:02] <gringolo> i think it is an old programme
[23:02] <sebsebseb> gringolo: also 14.04 for now still supported, but why not running 16.04 ?
[23:02] <gringolo> they stopped making updates and so on in 2012?
[23:02] <edwinksl> there are official installation instructions here https://www.openproject.org/download-and-installation/
[23:02] <gringolo> i think im using a pretty new ubuntu
[23:03] <edwinksl> what version?
[23:03] <edwinksl> there are instructions for 14.04 and 16.04 at the url i posted
[23:03] <sebsebseb> gringolo: 14.04 is the previous lts so not new really
[23:03] <sebsebseb> !lts
[23:03] <gringolo> damn i could not find that page :D
[23:03] <gringolo> where can i look up my version? :D
[23:04] <edwinksl> lsb_release -a
[23:04] <sebsebseb> edwinksl: should he/she/they be concerend about trying to do the random page instructins you reckeon?
[23:04] <sebsebseb> edwinksl: and that something maybe got installed from it or nearly
[23:04] <edwinksl> let me compare the instructions
[23:04] <sebsebseb> gringolo: 17.04 is the current non lts  latest release as well, so yep your on a old thing with 14.4
[23:04] <sebsebseb> 14.4
[23:04] <gringolo> i am using 16.04
[23:05] <sebsebseb> ok well you put 14.04 earlier
[23:05] <gringolo> yes, on this webpage i think they were using 14.04 or something. but my pc is running 16.04. :)
[23:05] <jmadero> hi all, still having an issue with a self made .desktop file I've put in my /usr/share/applications folder that isn't appearing in my applications
[23:06] <gringolo> i only copied the first 3, 4 lines
[23:06] <gringolo> well, i think the third line: "sudo apt-get update" did not work anymore
[23:07] <edwinksl> gringolo: use the instructions for 16.04 using the website i gave
[23:07] <edwinksl> you were using instructions for 14.04
[23:08] <edwinksl> also the wordpress blog used – in their sudo apt-key add command but you need to use - instead. – vs - (there is a difference)
[23:09] <gringolo> but still my "sudo apt-get update" does not work anymore. :/
[23:10] <Ben64> gringolo: you probably have some weird characters in the file you created from the first place
[23:11] <Ben64> gringolo: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/openproject.list
[23:11] <gringolo> YES! This worked! :D
[23:12] <gringolo> thank you Ben64 !!
[23:12] <gringolo> and also thanks to sebsebseb and edwinksl !
[23:13] <edwinksl> yeah do what Ben64 suggested and try installing again
[23:13] <edwinksl> should work this time
[23:13] <gringolo> well one last thing... my terminal says that there does not exist a command like "deb" :D
[23:14] <gringolo> i should use debc, dab, dub, .... instead?!
[23:14] <gringolo> or xdeb?
[23:15] <singer22> what you trying to do?
[23:15] <singer22> install a deb file?
[23:15] <sebsebseb> gringolo: your welcome
[23:15] <gringolo> yes.
[23:15] <gringolo> no wait
[23:15] <singer22> i like gdebi...if you dont have it you can install gdebi with synaptic
[23:16] <gringolo> i try to run this command: deb https://deb.packager.io/gh/opf/openproject-ce xenial stable/7
[23:16] <gringolo> see here: https://www.openproject.org/download-and-installation/
[23:16] <gringolo> installation for ubuntu 16.04
[23:16] <Phanes> is stacked filesystem encryption recommended over block device encryption models for externals on ubuntu systems?
[23:17] <singer22> where does it say use deb https?
[23:18] <singer22> sorry i see it
[23:18] <gringolo> 2. Add the OpenProject package source
[23:18] <edwinksl> gringolo: you are not supposed to run that command as is
[23:19] <edwinksl> you are supposed to add it to a file named `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/openproject.list`
[23:19] <gringolo> oh ok
[23:19] <edwinksl> read the instructions carefully
[23:19] <edwinksl> you don't want to do bad things accidentally :P
[23:20] <gringolo> :D
[23:20] <gringolo> i will give it a try with "touch ...."
[23:20] <gringolo> and insert this line
[23:20] <singer22> those instructions are a little weird
[23:21] <singer22> i wonder they just have it added to the regular sources list?
[23:22] <edwinksl> nope they are adding a .list file to the sources.list.d directory
[23:23] <gringolo> okay. something is installing :D
[23:23] <singer22> rofl
[23:23] <edwinksl> i would have preferred to use echo with sudo tee in the instructions as opposed to asking users to create a file in a directory owned by root
[23:24] <edwinksl> gringolo: nice, good luck
[23:27] <Giant81> here is one for you, installed groogle-chrome-stable from the google repo
[23:27] <Giant81> open it up, go to a local page tha tneeds flash
[23:27] <Giant81> says it's getting flash, then asks to restart the browser so it can activate it
[23:27] <Giant81> I do
[23:27] <Giant81> now I go to that page, I get an error it needs flash 10.0 or higher
[23:28] <Giant81> wouldn't it have gotten a later version of flash?
[23:31] <Giant81> wait, I'm installing restricted-etras now, lets see if this help
[23:33] <Giant81> nope, no luck, same error
[23:34] <Giant81> on both FF and chrome, any ideas what I can try next?
[23:36] <edwinksl> maybe something like this https://askubuntu.com/a/576569/15003
[23:38] <tomreyn> Giant81: flash is dead, put it to the grave it belongs to.
[23:38] <Giant81> I would, but the page i'm trying to use (made by someone else) is using it
[23:38] <Giant81> I'd prefer they built it in HTML5
[23:40] <tomreyn> IIRC chromium /chrome still supports flash via its pepperflash plugin API
[23:40] <Phanes> Giant81, if all conversations like the one you're currently having ended with "well i just wont support it because its flash" then people will stop building things in flash.
[23:40] <tomreyn> firefox's NPAPI has it entirely disable dnow except on the ESR release channel
[23:41]  * Phanes wonders why this kind of effort isn't put into supporting java browser applets anymore
[23:41] <tomreyn> if web site / application developers failed to adapt on time (this has been announced since mid last year), that's entirely their fault, not yours.
[23:41] <Giant81> Phanes: I agree, but I can't really go back and yell at cisco to fix their promo IOS XE programming  lab thumb drive
[23:42] <Phanes> right.  so what you do is drop the vendor for another product or dont take the contract.
[23:42] <Giant81> lol
[23:42] <tomreyn> ideally after yelling at them ;)
[23:42] <Phanes> yep
[23:43] <Giant81> I know in a perfect world that wold be great, but here in the real world, that doesn't happen as often as it should
[23:44] <Phanes> as someone who turns down contracts when he sees technical debt in actively sold products i can assure you that it happens in the real world quite often.  the problem is conversations like there where people throw around excuse-words like "dont boil the ocean" or "in a perfect world".
[23:44] <tomreyn> also in the real world, any vendor which matters (or thinks they should matter in the futre) has taken steps enabling you to use their products without flash
[23:45] <Phanes> bingo
[23:45] <Phanes> talk to your procurement guy and tell him its unsupportable
[23:46] <gringolo> bye. :)
[23:48] <mrzl> Hello
[23:48] <mrzl> How are you guys doing?
[23:52] <Giant81> well to be honest as I think about it, it's not cisco, it's whoever built the YANGexplorer that cisco packaged into this lab
[23:53] <Giant81> https://github.com/CiscoDevNet/yang-explorer  nevermind it is cisco's