[07:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:51]  * SuperEngineer won't be around for a wee while. He diappears tomorrow morning for a trip to British Royal Infirmary.  If op survived, will be back soonish.  If mot, see y'all on the other side. soon. if not
[11:53] <SuperEngineer> [I told my own planets leaders that forcing one of us into an Earth body wasn't going to work. Did they believe me? Nah!
[11:56] <brobostigon> good luck, :), may the penguin gods be with you,
[12:00] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[12:00] <brobostigon> :)
[12:33] <diddledan> these corporeal vessels are too fragile
[12:33] <diddledan> SuperEngineer: you need an upgrade
[12:34] <diddledan> http://pa1.narvii.com/6395/c93ce5526bc3dd020b363cd6a259a5052546165b_hq.gif
[12:40] <brobostigon> :)
[13:02] <Duncan_> edge
[13:03] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: upgrade was already tried.... failed, even after reboot
[13:03] <diddledan> dang
[13:48] <brobostigon> anyone recognise the following error, please, https://pastebin.com/P8hdiaBF
[16:05] <diddledan> norks :-( https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/04/world/asia/north-korea-missile-test-icbm.html
[16:06] <daftykins> amazing Team America haven't stepped up yet
[16:06]  * diddledan sings the themetune
[16:06] <diddledan> UH MERRICA. DUCK YEAH!
[16:07] <daftykins> \o/
[16:07] <daftykins> pretty blown away by this, i called up the telco about fixing the mounting of that ancient box of phone lines on the front of my house
[16:08] <daftykins> couple of guys came out the same day, and now want to dig up the road and lay fresh copper entirely
[16:08] <diddledan> wat
[16:08] <diddledan> that's a bit of overkill for a box dangling off the wall. although new copper will probably mean better speed of broadband sync
[16:09] <daftykins> yeah might be, doubt i'll see too much more - think i'm already 700m away they say so my line stats are about 55/25
[16:09] <daftykins> 60/10 is the service i pay for though
[16:09] <diddledan> aah
[16:09] <diddledan> fairly close to spec then
[16:10] <daftykins> what's weird is when i was on 40/5, i could use the upnpc package to query the old router that was using ATM, which showed me sync of 52 and 25
[16:10] <daftykins> yet when i moved to the 60/10 service it kept creeping up and eventually claimed 58Mb
[16:11] <arsenip> hoe hum, looks like openvz (in proxmox 3.x) doesn't support modern systemd = time to queue up a vmhost rebuild.
[16:11] <daftykins> you could tell it couldn't handle it though, downloads would mostly try to ramp up TCP sliding window style to ~5.7MB/sec then drop back off again repeatedly
[16:11] <arsenip> thus arsen can't have any modern centos7/ubuntu containers :(
[16:11] <daftykins> aww
[16:11] <daftykins> but arsensen likes new things!
[16:12] <diddledan> see, I can't read arsenip as arsen ip. I always see it as arse nip
[16:12] <arsenip> to be fair - on my personal box i want UBER_LTS stability, so i dont have to rebuild stuff very often.
[16:12] <arsenip> it's arsen, which was transformed to parsenip for jokes, then dropped the -p
[16:13] <arsenip> and someone owns 'arsen' on freenode :)
[16:13]  * diddledan nips arsenip 's arse
[16:13] <daftykins> d'aww
[16:16] <arsenip> anyway. cue 3 hours rebuilding VMs pointlessly, giving up and reverting to centos6 (final)
[16:16] <daftykins> anyone struggle with clients that needlessly keep a billion browser tabs open? :)
[16:16] <arsenip> maybe i should just rent another VPS and build in parallel, and flip DNS, like i would with any real production system.
[16:16] <diddledan> esxi
[16:17] <arsenip> yeah i was considering it, diddledan
[16:17] <arsenip> proxmox is like... crap.
[16:17] <daftykins> that's what i do with my domestic VMs too, only swap DNS for port forwards to IPs :>
[16:17] <diddledan> I'm running an esxi here in my living room - means I keep my toes toasty :-0p
[16:17] <diddledan> :-p
[16:18] <arsenip> ive got an initscript for natting my vz containers
[16:18] <diddledan> I really should move it into my back room
[16:18] <daftykins> diddledan: did y'see the super cheap 10GigE cards that've appeared?
[16:18] <diddledan> daftykins: no?
[16:18] <arsenip> oddly i have no server at home at all anymore - probably the closest thing is my crappy raspberry pi.
[16:18] <diddledan> show me!
[16:18] <daftykins> if it weren't for the switch element still, it's becoming more sane
[16:18] <arsenip> if you want a 10gig card just let me know :p
[16:18] <daftykins> or more feasible i should say
[16:18] <daftykins> arsenip: o rly
[16:19] <daftykins> would it be some crazy power hungry thing though? :P
[16:19] <arsenip> yes likely.
[16:19] <arsenip> :D
[16:19] <daftykins> XD
[16:19] <arsenip> and SFP too
[16:19] <daftykins> http://www.anandtech.com/show/11598/asus-launches-xgc100c-10-gbe-adapter-aquantia-aqc107-99
[16:19] <arsenip> but im sure  i could find spares.
[16:20] <diddledan> I got an intel X520 for ~£50
[16:20] <diddledan> ebay ftw
[16:20] <daftykins> be interesting to see how power consumption compares
[16:20] <arsenip> *apparently* virgin have 'gifted' me 300mb at home
[16:20] <arsenip> so i may now get 100mb, i guess.
[16:21] <daftykins> o0 not getting what they claim, huh?
[16:21] <arsenip> indeed. super high usage in my area
[16:21] <daftykins> arsenip: wealthy client fella has just bought a place in Brompton Park Crescent, where Hyperoptic appear to be installing :D
[16:21] <arsenip> massively oversubscribed - i *think* the 300meg upgrades mean they upgraded the backhaul so should be better overall  (and faster)
[16:21] <daftykins> not far from that fancy pad he had last time
[16:22] <arsenip> ah i know where that is
[16:22] <arsenip> just behind farm lane, nice restaurant there
[16:22] <arsenip> or was, when i went there last
[16:22] <arsenip> 5 years ago :D
[16:22] <daftykins> we shall have to have a fine meal when i make it over next, then
[16:22] <daftykins> although he's gonna gut it as usual from October afaik
[16:22] <daftykins> seems to hate walls when he buys places ;)
[16:23] <arsenip> i wonder if a modern raspberry pi with two USB 2.5" hdds would make a nice backup solution.
[16:23] <daftykins> no.
[16:24] <daftykins> they suck for IO :)
[16:24] <arsenip> nightly remote backups tho - nps
[16:24] <daftykins> although after an initial copy i suppose not too bad
[16:24] <daftykins> but if you rsync'd, haha
[16:24] <arsenip> wana somehow mirror them, but probably not raid
[16:24] <arsenip> basically generate two @home copies of my remote server data
[16:24] <daftykins> think you'd be better off buying a Synology DS216j
[16:25] <arsenip> i like the idea of unplugging a usb drive and whacking it in my bag - then having all of my data
[16:25] <daftykins> they double as VPN endpoints for office shared resource access for some of my clients \o/
[16:29] <arsenip> tbh with a couple of massive drives i could be much lazier about backups - just do entire disk rsyncs :D
[17:10] <Azelphur> well this is fun
[17:12] <daftykins> what've you broken today? :)
[17:12] <Azelphur> I had a good credit rating, I applied for a joint bank account with my gf, and an account for my to receive my (USD) salary, turns out I get charged high exchange fees, so I tried to apply for barclays
[17:12] <Azelphur> and that was the end of my credit rating, apparently, because I applied for 3 banks in a row.
[17:13] <daftykins> mmm can imagine how that would be a red flag
[17:14] <Azelphur> yea, but to have that put me from "Perfectly good, no missed payments on anything ever, and no debt" to "Nope you can't even open a bank account"... wow -_-
[17:14] <daftykins> how've you gotten paid in the past to avoid fees etc?
[17:15] <Azelphur> Paypal, boss paid all fees
[17:15] <Azelphur> boss wants to switch to bank transfer for obvious reasons
[17:17] <daftykins> i get burnt doing some jobs for some guys in Austria sometimes, ask for a reall small payment and see half of it go on the bank fees - ugh
[17:21] <daftykins> *really
[17:21] <Azelphur> indeed, I'm loosing about £150/mo to this :(
[17:22] <daftykins> suuuuurely it worked out better before :<
[17:37] <arsenip> sadly that's how it works Azelphur - has it actually affected you though?
[17:38] <arsenip> most institutions dont actually rely solely on the rating - they'll look at individual cases iwth their own metrics (if your numbers all say you're a good candidate and the only downside according to <arbitary number generated by a company who sells said number as their main profit stream> then you'll probs be fine)
[20:44] <awilkins> Have updated to 17.04 from 16.04
[20:45] <awilkins> Nautilus has no "Create Folder" option any more.
[20:45] <awilkins> ARRRRRGH
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> ctrl-shift-n?
[20:46] <awilkins> Yes, that works.... it's just impossible to find in a folder in list view mode with more files than a scrollbar's worth
[20:46] <awilkins> On the context menu, I mena
[20:46] <awilkins> It's not in the "File" menu either
[20:47] <daftykins> cool kids stay on LTS (:
[20:47] <awilkins> You have to click in empty space with no files in to get the context menu item.
[20:47] <zmoylan-pi> menus are so last decade... you're supposed to discover the features now in hidden hotspots that you click...
[20:48] <awilkins> Which is annoying in a camera upload filder with 1,079 photos in it
[20:48] <awilkins> Arrgh
[20:48] <awilkins> And now your phone doesn't count as a Nautilus window even though it is one
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> go to software installer search for midnight commander...
[20:49] <awilkins> Which means you can't alt-` to it from the window you want to copy your photos to
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[20:49] <zmoylan-pi> i have found myself installing alternative file managers on more distros recently...
[20:57] <daftykins> i'll be taking a young lady over to Sark in a little over a week, here's it from near my place - http://i.imgur.com/kstqRKQ.jpg
[20:58] <daftykins> just found an amusing old program on it :D https://youtu.be/0yCccWcFbXw
[21:02] <zmoylan-pi> i remember reading of a tourist who got a bit lost in germany using a 60+ year old tourist guide
[21:03] <diddledan> should have asked the tourist guide whether they knew their way around
[21:03] <diddledan> mind you at 60+ they might have had alzeimers
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> it was a printed guide...
[21:13] <brobostigon> maybe they should have used hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, which douglas adams started to write hitchiking in germany. :)
[21:17] <zmoylan-pi> the original version which listed earth as 'harmless' or the updated version which said 'mostly harmless'?
[21:19] <brobostigon> well, as far as the whole universe is concerned, we the earth, are 'mostly harmless' to the rest of the universe, which is very very big, mind'boggingly big'
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> it did take me over an hour to walk back from the chemist...
[21:24] <daftykins> cor
[21:24] <daftykins> what's that distance measured in Guernseys?
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> no idea but definitely one full metals...