[00:14] <webpigeon> is there anyone around?
[00:15] <elky> it's easier to just wait this one out sadly
[00:15] <elky> he gets bored quick
[00:15] <webpigeon> they appear to have gone now
[00:40] <seednode> join #ubuntu-ops-team
[00:41] <seednode> ... I think my / key is broken
[01:35] <bazhang> seednode, need some assistance?
[01:36] <seednode> No, I'm just apparently not on my typing game tonight :(
[10:33] <bazhang> katoolin sounds like the mac themed ubuntu that you never come back from, or automatix
[10:33] <ikonia> it's sort of automatix to make ubuntu have kali tools
[10:33] <ikonia> it's really sloppy on the deps it pulls in
[10:33] <ikonia> and it doesn't respond to kali changes timely
[10:34] <bazhang> adds the kali 'tools'
[10:34] <bazhang> what tools does it contain the ubunt u repos do not
[10:35] <ikonia> it's some of the bleeding edge stuff around metaploit and stuff like that
[10:36] <ikonia> the problem is it also points at some of the kali repos which have some core conflicts too
[10:36] <ikonia> (against ubuntu)
[10:36] <bazhang> and suddenly huge problems
[10:36] <ikonia> and as kali make changes at a bigger impact but slower pace, and ubuntu is releasing every X months, it's not really maintained/planned properly
[10:36] <ikonia> it's broken quite a few peoples machines
[10:36] <bazhang> I see no recovery from that
[10:36] <ikonia> it's mostly around deps
[10:37] <bazhang> it's the want to be a cracker but cannot be bothered to get the so-called cracker distro
[10:40] <ikonia> most of the tools he'd want (I'd bet) are in the ubuntu repos just not the bleeding edge versions that kali ship
[10:40] <bazhang> so numbers chasing as well
[10:41] <ikonia> that seems to be the common reason to use the scripts as they want the "same as kali" rather than "the tools to do the job"
[10:41] <bazhang> he seems to very insistent on blaming ubuntu and not remaining on topic
[10:41] <ikonia> it's understanable, windows exe, install it, doesn't work / don't like it, remove it
[10:42] <ikonia> it's a totally different mind set
[10:42] <ikonia> normally a windows exe wouldn't touch the system files and doesn't pull in dependencies like a deb package does with different repos
[10:42] <ikonia> it's annoying that he won't listen that it's a different way of working
[10:43] <ikonia> but you can see how someone who is used to windows would be shocked how an ubuntu exe (from his point of view) broke his system
[10:43] <bazhang> I really have little sympathy after he has been told at least a dozen times 'not supported'
[10:44] <ikonia> no, I don't disagree
[10:44] <bazhang> he knows what needs to take place, there is no sort of 'hail mary ' last second stick save on this one
[10:45] <ikonia> he's gone from calling ubuntu, to "love ubuntu" in 90 seconds
[11:20] <bazhang> 3rd party ubuntu support overf the phone
[11:20] <bazhang> and he answers 'who knows'