[07:15] <spoonless[m]1> hello, is ubuntu linux associated with the african ubuntu socialism?
[07:25] <apw> spoonless[m]1, ubuntu linux is associated with the african concept/word ubuntu
[07:40] <spoonless[m]1> I'm a bit confused about the philosophy, it seems inherently racist - "From the 1970s, the ubuntu began to be described as a specific kind of "African humanism". Based on the context of Africanisation propagated by the political thinkers in the 1960s period of decolonisation, ubuntu was used as a term for a specifically African (or Southern African) kind of socialism or humanism found in blacks, but lacking in
[07:40] <spoonless[m]1> whites, in the context of the transition to black majority rule in Zimbabwe and South Africa. "
[07:41] <spoonless[m]1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)
[07:45] <apw> spoonless[m]1, yeah but that is unrelated to the sentiment of the Ubuntu word which has no english equivalent, but "a quality that includes the essential human virtues; compassion and humanity" is how google translates it
[07:46] <apw> spoonless[m]1, it is that "togetherness" that the project is meant to espouse, and why it has that name
[07:48] <spoonless[m]1> but it is a kind of socialism/communism?
[07:48] <apw> no it is literally a word like "happy" or "sad"
[07:48] <apw> it means that kind of "having some humanity"
[07:49] <apw> we don't seem have needed that word in english, so we don't have a direct word for it
[07:49] <spoonless[m]1> the wiki article states it is to do with communitarian socialism. I would have thought that the African definition would be the definitive one
[07:50] <spoonless[m]1> have you read the wiki article?
[07:51] <apw> spoonless[m]1, yes, the first paragraph tell you the meaning of the word, and the second tells you "it has come to mean"
[07:51] <apw> spoonless[m]1, it is the first meaning that the project is related to
[07:51] <apw> not what it has come to mean
[07:51] <spoonless[m]1> so that is the current definition then
[07:52] <spoonless[m]1> yet, ubuntu linux was started after the 1970s, when the meaning had changed
[07:53] <apw> spoonless[m]1, this word has two meaning in time and space, i am telling you as a member of the project the first one is the one the project espouses
[07:54] <apw> very much the second wording of the meaning of the actual word, the bit about sharing
[07:55] <apw> and i would argue it has gained a second meaning, not the meaning "has changed"
[07:56] <apw> as the second paragraph says "has come to be used", that does not negate its original meaning
[07:56] <spoonless[m]1> so it's a bit like calling a project communist, but it has nothing to do with redistribution of wealth?
[07:56] <apw> no, it is like calling a project "be nice to people and share with them" but using a shorter zulu work for it
[07:57] <apw> like calling the free-office suite libreoffice because it sounds cool
[07:57] <apw> it does not make it french
[07:59] <spoonless[m]1> well, ubuntu doesn't seem to be working out very well in Zimbabwe under Mugabe. They redistributed the White owned farms and now they are starving
[08:00] <spoonless[m]1> and in South Africa they are singing songs about murdering the Whites. Not to mention the murder rate is shockingly high there
[08:01] <apw> spoonless[m]1, yes people a inherantly dangerous things which often do very dumb things, to each other
[08:01] <apw> spoonless[m]1, that doesn't change the meaning of the word, those things simply arn't ubuntu
[08:01] <apw> spoonless[m]1, much as they arn't nice
[08:02] <apw> spoonless[m]1, if "ubuntu" was called "nice" you wouldn't say it was a silly name because people arn't nice
[08:02] <apw> though you would have plenty of other reasons to think it was a bit daft
[08:13] <spoonless[m]1> www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=nice
[08:13] <spoonless[m]1> "late 13c., "foolish, stupid, senseless," from Old French nice (12c.) "careless, clumsy; weak; poor, needy; simple, stupid, silly, foolish," from Latin nescius "ignorant, unaware"
[08:14] <spoonless[m]1> anyway, ubuntu seems a bit anti-White to me. Especially with it being espoused by convicted terrorist Mandela
[08:17] <cking> Alice in Wonderland: "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."
[08:20] <apw> spoonless[m]1, the political movment maybe so, the project not so much
[12:40] <JPelletier> Hello everyone, I'm experiencing a random system HANG on reboot right after GRUB. I tried to print more logs with "earlyprintk=efi" and it's freezing right after "[    0.00000] bootconsole [earlyefi0] disabled"
[12:40] <JPelletier> Do you think it could be a Kernel bug?
[12:40] <JPelletier> I don't have a lot of experience with linux
[15:01] <JPelletier> Anyone can help me with my reboot HANG issue? I have no more ideas and I am a little desperate
[15:19] <tomreyn> JPelletier: i'd try getting support in #ubuntu first of all
[15:24] <tomreyn> oh you did. well try serial console or netconsole
[15:52] <JPelletier> tomreyn: Will try that next week, never did it before
[16:24] <magiclin-> Hi, i have some strange problems with the kernel/module ata_piix and the intel ICH9R controller (since i'm updatet to 16.04 - kernel 4.8)
[16:25] <magiclin-> https://pastebin.com/zMyH467S
[16:27] <magiclin-> https://pastebin.com/L7rC6A7a
[16:31] <magiclin-> can someone help?
[17:00] <tomreyn> magiclin-: if disabling IOMMU as a temporary workaround is an option for you, then give that a try. is it reproducible? does it only happen after suspend?
[17:01] <tomreyn> the klernel you are using is not the default 16.04 kernel version. is it the HWE one?
[17:01] <magiclin-> Linux sparks 4.8.0-58-generic #63~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 26 18:08:51 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:01] <magiclin-> not modified 
[17:02] <magiclin-> it's not direct reproduciable , the error occurs  after some hours 6-24h of runetime 
[17:03] <magiclin-> sometimes with the damage of the filesystem 
[17:07] <tomreyn> so this is the HWE kernel, ok https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-image-4.8.0-58-generic
[17:09] <magiclin-> yout mean, i should rebould the kernel with the config entry CONFIG_INTEL_IOMMU=n ?
[17:09] <magiclin-> rebuild
[17:11] <tomreyn> no, i was suggesting to disable it at kernel boot. but a better option is probably to just increase swiotlb as discussed here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1256281
[17:12] <tomreyn> if it leaks memory, however, you'll have the same effect - it will run full later for you, too.
[17:12] <tomreyn> at this point it's unclear whether it leaks or it just needs more addressable memory, though.
[17:13] <tomreyn> also, i know very little about this stuff, you'd be better talking to someone who is actually into this.
[17:16] <magiclin-> ok thank you, i will try it with the kernel command line to 
[17:25] <tomreyn> magiclin-: see the IOMMU (and thus swiotlb) documentation at https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt - I am assuming this is x86_64 here, not i686.
[17:26] <tomreyn> so iommu=off was my initial suggestion, but i'm not actually sure this would improve things more than it would break.
[17:33] <magiclin-> i compared the working and the not working kernel configuration 
[17:33] <magiclin-> https://pastebin.com/h1V6NDQY
[17:34] <magiclin-> there is only a difference in CONFIG_INTEL_IOMMU_SVM=y ?
[17:35] <tomreyn> the options i discussed are to be passed to linux during boot, on the kernel command line
[17:36] <tomreyn> i.e. edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[17:36] <tomreyn> you are comparing two entirely different kernel versions there
[17:37] <tomreyn> 3.13.0 -> 4.8.0 is a HUGE diff
[17:38] <magiclin-> thats clear , you mean i should increase the swiotlb size ? and i'm asking if the problem eventually relatet to the iommu shared memory option too
[17:39] <jack__> hey guys, I'm running out of ideas and I'm wondering if you can help me, someone on #lubuntu reckoned this would be the place. I need kernel 4.12 or newer for the audio chip in my laptop, does anyone have a recommendation for an ubuntu/debian-based distro with that kernel?
[17:46] <magiclin-> ok initial you suggested to disable die IOMMU , after that to increase the loadbalancer size - sorry that's not my native language
[17:50] <magiclin-> @tomreyn https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/INTEL_IOMMU_SVM.html
[18:06] <tomreyn> magiclin-: yes, that's what i suggested. swiotlb, however, is not a load balancer, but the 'SoftWare Input Output Translation Lookaside Buffer '
[18:07] <tomreyn> magicline: i understand that you are considering to rebuild your kjernel with IOMMU disbaled, I don't understand why you're considering a rebuild if you can just disable it using an oiption, however,
[18:08] <magicline> " ok thank you, i will try it with the kernel command line too"
[18:10] <tomreyn> okay ;)
[18:10] <magicline> :-)
[18:11] <tomreyn> i didnt spell this out but... AFAICT IOMMU without shared memory is of not much use, so disabling that is effictively as rigorous a measure as disabling iommu entirely.
[18:12] <tomreyn> (but i may be wrong there)
[18:23] <magicline> however , i will try the options - otherwhise i need a other HBA or mainboard :-/
[22:32] <spoonless[m]1> African Communism