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ooboontoooonoobhello is this working?01:41
ooboontoooonoobI need advice if thats at all possible01:41
ooboontoooonoobcan anyone experienced in ubuntu help me please?01:42
ooboontoooonoobi'm new to linux & just installed 16.04 :LTS (64bit)01:43
ooboontoooonoobno worries - be back later. byeeee01:45
mate|GaneshHello guys, i am new to linux , and i am using mate as my first distro07:03
mate|Ganeshbut i have problem installing apps in my mate07:04
mate|Ganeshits giving "NO PUBLIC KEY FOUND ERROR" can anyone help me how to fix it?07:05
tmathieubonjour, j'ai besoin d'aide pour interpréter dmidecode -t memory11:25
tmathieuhi, I'm looking for help to answer dmidecode -t memory11:26
tmathieuj'ai une vielle carte mère limitée à 4go de ram et dmidecode donne la capacité à 16go11:27
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harvey_k13:39
LasermanAloha13:40
harvey_hi sorry hit k by mistake13:41
harvey_13:42
Lasermank13:44
harvey_tho I do have a question. If I hit F12 key it drops down a terminal. Where is that configured? I need to assign that to a different key.13:46
harvey_16.0413:46
alkisgharvey_: google for ubuntu-mate tilda13:49
alkisgThat's the name of the program13:49
harvey_thanks.. i'll just read the man page then ;-)13:50
Laserman!info tilda13:50
ubottutilda (source: tilda): GTK+ based drop down terminal for Linux and Unix. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-1build1 (zesty), package size 89 kB, installed size 401 kB13:50
Lasermanharvey_, dont you just want to remap that key ?13:51
LasermanThere are options in the System Settings/Keyboard/Layout/Options13:53
harvey_hmm tilda is F2 not F12 and seems to be different (tho very similar)13:54
harvey_F12 is not assigned anywhere that I can see, I'll look again13:55
alkisgharvey_: tidla is f12, see the comments there on how to change it: https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/tilda-in-ubuntu-mate-vivid-vervet/14:01
alkisgFirst google hit...14:01
alkisg$ grep F12 ~/.config/tilda/config_014:02
alkisgkey = "F12"14:02
harvey_I read the man page. Also I have purged tilda from the system and F2 has no tilda now. But F12 is still a thing. So I still have my problem even with tilda gone.14:02
alkisgharvey_: you purged tilda. Did you *stop* tilda?14:04
alkisgps aux|grep tidla14:04
harvey_that's probably it :)14:04
alkisgF2 doesn't run tidla, btw14:05
harvey_what is F2 then?14:08
harvey_I just did tilda --config  as per the man page to get F214:08
alkisgIf you manually changed that, then sure14:09
harvey_anyways stopping tilda ffixed my issue thanks14:09
alkisggrep F2 ~/.config/tilda/config_0 returns nothing for me, while F12 does return the assigned key14:10
alkisgnp14:10
harvey_Not I looks the the config wizars and so what is is. I did not change it since F12 was my problem14:10
harvey_when you hit F2 what do you get?14:10
harvey_There really shouldn't be a program universally grabbing the F12 key (or any key) that ISN"T configured in the system / keyboard / shortcut area where all the other system wide shortcut keys are14:13
alkisgI've removed tilda on installation, so I don't get anything with F2 or F1214:14
alkisgI always have a terminal open, so having an additional one with F12 that just takes a whole lot of RAM and breaks a key, isn't a benefit to me14:15
alkisgflexiondotorg: ^ :)14:15
harvey_right F2 vanished when I removed it too.14:15
alkisgI'm not so sure people like tilda... especially having it preactivated...14:15
harvey_tidla is required by mate core too, crazy. totally extraneous program. But still I would have been fine with it if I could program the activation shortcut key in the same place I set ALL the other keyboard shortcut keys. Seems like a no brainer. Oh well.14:18
flexiondotorgalkisg Tilda is not activated by default in Ubuntu MATE 16.10 and upwards. You can enable it via MATE Tweak instead.14:43
alkisgflexiondotorg: cool, thank you14:43
flexiondotorgnp14:43
* alkisg wishes all those nice changes were automatically backported to 16.04 :D14:43
f76An Ubuntu MATE machine that usually works with my HP scanner has just decided not to work when I turned it on this morning. I get this error https://imgur.com/a/BjCAH Is anyone available to help?14:50
f76It's just an HP usb scanner14:50
ouroumov__f76, what version of Ubuntu MATE are you using?14:53
f7616.0414:54
f76I'm just using SimpleScan, but it's worked hundreds of times before. I just turn it on and get that mess.14:55
f76I've tried upgrading and restarting, but to no success. I've tried the scanner on another Ubuntu MATE machine and even that works.14:56
ouroumov__f76, Connected through USB, so might be related to tlp: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-16-04-lts-common-problems-known-bugs-workarounds/8340 point #814:56
f76i'll try that14:58
f76nop no luck15:02
Lasermanupdate your kernel15:03
f76I did that Laserman15:03
Lasermanshould be on 4.1015:03
f76It also worked on the older kernal though Laserman15:04
LasermanI saw that.. but we dont know what changed.. so  I always start with new kernel then inxi and look at your sources and drivers15:05
ouroumov__f76, you've not made modifications of your firewall settings?15:05
f76Firewall is completely off ouroumov__15:05
f76Always has been15:05
f76I don't have a clue what to do, Ubuntu MATE has never let me down like this before.15:08
ouroumov__I don't want to sound like a Windows support crew, but have you tried rebooting?15:09
f76yes15:10
f76It seems like we're all out of ideas15:10
ouroumov__I was thinking the driver might suffer from instability15:10
f76it's a Canon LiDE 11015:10
Lasermandelete and re add it15:11
f76i see a post from 2013 that it was support from before 2011, so it's hardly exotic hardware15:11
ouroumov__Are the other Ubuntu MATE machines you've tried updated?15:11
alkisg(05:50:52 μμ) f76: It's just an HP usb scanner15:13
alkisg(06:10:27 μμ) f76: it's a Canon LiDE 11015:13
alkisgHP or Canon?!15:13
alkisgWhat's the output of `scanimage -L` ?15:13
f76yes ouroumov__15:15
f76I can't find out how to remove the scanner, it seems to be like plug and play15:15
ouroumov__f76 so it's unlikely to be a regression15:15
f76scanimage -L it tells me it's a flatbed scanner15:17
alkisgTry scanning with scanimage, for example, scanimage > /tmp/image.pnm15:22
alkisgSee if it does scan, or if it produces an error15:22
alkisgAlso, copy/pasting terminal output is better, for example we don't know yet if your scanner is HP or Canon15:24
f76it scans, but just outputs those vertical lines in an image file15:26
alkisgWhat is your scanner model?15:29
f76alkisg: Canon LiDE 11015:30
alkisgWhy are you using hplip for a canon scanner?15:30
f76I'm not, I use that for the printer15:31
alkisgThen why did you paste the "hplip error" for us to see?15:31
alkisghttps://imgur.com/a/BjCAH15:32
f76that's the error that came up when i tried to scan15:32
alkisgDid the scanner issue start when you installed hplip?15:32
f76no, just today15:32
alkisgCan you put your /var/log/apt/history.log to pastebin?15:32
f76that would be a bit tricky, gimmi a sec15:33
alkisgUsually it's just `cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999`15:34
f76yeah i gotta find a usb so i can transfur the info accross15:37
alkisgThe target computer has no net?15:38
f76yes, but this machines up a flight of stairs15:42
f76okay https://pastebin.com/f7r56aYW15:42
alkisgAs you can see, there are a lot of packages that were upgraded today15:44
alkisgFor starters, try booting with the older kernel, it should still be available in the grub menu15:44
f76yup but i upgraded after i started having problems15:44
alkisgThen let's look at history.log.1, the previous one15:45
f76ugh really?!15:45
alkisgYes, checking which packages you upgraded right before the issue happened is a good start to troubleshoot your issue15:45
alkisgChecking the packages that you upgraded after the issue doesn't help much.15:46
f76but it's worked since the last upgrade15:46
alkisgDo you also include security upgrades that happen automatically and that you don't know about them?15:46
f76I'm getting a file not found for history.115:47
alkisghistory.log.1.gz15:49
alkisgzcat /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz | nc termbin.com15:49
f76It says, "This is nc from the netcat-openbsd package. An alternative nv is available in the netcat-traditional package.15:53
f76What sucks is that owner of the scanner/computer has been let down by Linux a few times before. I'm not going to hear the end of this.15:54
alkisgNoone here maintains scanner drivers, so I'm guessing noone here will be sad that he left linux15:56
alkisgBut if we can help, sure15:56
f76I'll be sad15:56
alkisgls -l /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz => does that say the file is empty?15:56
alkisgYou can use ssh to access the remote computer without walking there every time15:57
f76I can but I'd honestly thought we'd have figured this out by now.15:57
alkisgYou can try joining a channel that works with scanner issues, instead of a desktop environment, if you want more specialized support15:58
alkisgUntil now, you haven't even told us what changed...15:58
f76it says there's a file. Sorry have I ommited some info?16:00
alkisgWhen something works and the next day it doesn't work, something happened between those days16:02
alkisgThe apt history search is one of the things that might have changed between those days16:02
f76Yeah, that's puzzled me too. But nothing has changed from when it work to when it didn't. Well, to  my knowledge.16:02
alkisgRight, so one thing that could have changed without you knowing about it, is apt package security updates16:03
alkisgAnd you'd find them in those logs16:03
alkisgBut sorry, I don't have the time to tell you how to look into .gz files, if zcat didn't work there..16:03
alkisgThe point of that search is to see if there was a package update that you didn't know about, and that could have caused the regression16:04
f76Could there be an upgrade I don't know about? I'm the only one with the root password.16:04
alkisgif that's not the case, then other methods of troubleshooting would be in order. E.g. try with a new user, try from a live cd etc16:04
alkisgYes, security updates happen automatically on boot16:04
alkisgWith the apt-daily task16:04
f76Hang on. So My machine;'s downloading and installing updates completly under the radar?16:10
alkisgYes16:11
f76and that can sometimes cause breakages?16:11
alkisgSecurity updates only, so that you're automatically more secure even if you've been afk for a lot of days16:11
alkisgAll code can cause regressions. Updates are no exception. They are of course checked, but bad things can always happen.16:12
f76Is there a reason the end user is not told?16:12
alkisgI'm sure it's documented in the ubuntu sites and changelogs etc16:15
alkisgPersonally I hate it that there's no user indicator for that16:15
alkisgE.g. I boot ubuntu, then I try to run `apt-get dist-upgade`, and it says it's locked by another process16:15
alkisg..and then I remember apt-daily and start to swear... :D16:16
f76I would have thought something like that would be an opt-in.16:16
alkisgI don't mind that it's opt-out. But it should have visible feedback before it was released that way.16:16
alkisgBoth for console apt-get dist-upgrade, and for a GUI indicator in the panel or somewhere16:17
f76Yeah, I agree.16:17
f76I need to put this down for another time, I'll try a fresh install later. But thank you so much for sticking with me and helping me. Sorry I was a pain, lol.16:17
alkisgNow it can get stuck for days, due to ubuntu server issues with downloading packages, and users would need to know how to manually kill background apt tasks16:17
alkisgnp16:17
harvey_right now I have to do modprobe snd-pcsp after every reboot, is there a way to get this module to load automagically?16:47
harvey_I know not really a desktop question.16:48
harvey_apparently I just gotta stick it it /etc/modules :) (hopefully that's all there is to it)16:58
deskwizardo/ howdy17:01
deskwizardouroumov: let me know if you have a sec and remember the weird icon issue I had a while back17:02
deskwizardI doubt you do but hey, worth asking :P17:02
=== harvey is now known as Guest37857
deskwizard*sigh* anyhow... also looking for a way of having finer volume steps, found a command that is supposed to work to no avail. that's the one, the page I found it on from stackoverflow mentions it working in 16.04 but not for me. cmd -> dconf write /org/mate/settings-daemon/plugins/media-keys/volume-step <NUM>17:13
deskwizardanyone have any idea or somewhere to point me to, I,d appreciate greatly17:14
deskwizardI mean, the command runs fine, it returns the value I set if I read, but the slider is still at the default of 5%17:17
deskwizardI'll be around :)17:22
harvey_seems to work on my old laptop, deskwizard17:26
harvey_i changed it to 40 and hitting it 3 times would go from full to no volume17:28
harvey_and then making it 1 changes it the other way (mine started on 6)17:29
deskwizardyep, it indeed works, I'm just an idiot that was using my mouse on the slider... the media-keys should have been a clue there hehehe17:36
deskwizardthanks for trying it out, I appreciate it17:36
deskwizardwhich I consider good enough :) *checks box*17:37
deskwizardaight, on to the next thing, I'll bbl when I'm stuck hehehe17:38
harvey_np :)18:15
ubuntu-mate_Anyone else have to change the DNS settings for their connection to work? (curious if it's my side)19:06
ubuntu-mate_(running live right now)19:06
ubuntu-mate_Changing DNS settings on the local, live system.19:06
ubuntu-mate_So far I'm enjoying the layout. I've been missing it.19:07
genieklol19:40
harvey_I think my dns has worked out of the box19:40
geniekI clicked Install Ubuntu Mate19:40
geniekand started Firefox19:40
ubuntu-mate_Word. Probably on my side.19:57
DarkPsydeLordonce i clicked on install mate20:35
DarkPsydeLordit was a good day20:35
deskwizardyep, that's usually how it goes20:36
deskwizard;)20:36
DarkPsydeLord:D20:36
deskwizardonce I fixed my ACPI issues, it'll be all dandy20:36
DarkPsydeLordwhats wrong with your acpi20:37
DarkPsydeLord?20:37
mate|79773Hp Drucker installieren20:38
deskwizardDarkPsydeLord: doesn't sleep by itself, investigating atm20:38
DarkPsydeLordare you sure that isnt bios relevant?20:41
deskwizardfirst thing I went throught20:41
deskwizardI'll probably clear just in case20:42
DarkPsydeLorddid you boot using acpi=on parameter?20:42
DarkPsydeLordnot sure if someone can confirm but im pretty sure theres a parameter used by xorg.conf to manage the sleep time20:45
deskwizardgive me a moment, damn noob here :P20:47
DarkPsydeLordOH!20:47
DarkPsydeLordthen you should give some of the issues your are running into and if i know how to fix it will help in other case any other member will20:48
deskwizardI will, I just want to see if I can solve it or at least have some relevant imformation20:49
deskwizardI'm a second level noob :P20:49
DarkPsydeLordawesome :D thats how i learned back to the glorious days of ubuntu 4.1020:51
DarkPsydeLordi think i still have my warty warthog cd around20:51
deskwizardhehehehe20:51
LasermanUpdate your kernel20:51
Lasermanget latest version of 4.1020:52
DarkPsydeLordstable version of the kernel is at 4.12 isnt it?20:53
LasermanUse Update Manager (shield icon lower right),  View in menu bar, Linux kernels, Select 4.10 in left window then latest revision in right window and install it, then reboot  If you have a problem booting up, return to old from grub menu using left shift on boot/power up20:54
Lasermanalso do other updates that are in there20:54
Laserman!xfburn20:58
deskwizardwell 4.10 and I can see ACPI errors on boot21:00
deskwizardwhich log file would those be in ?21:00
deskwizardLaserman: sorry, but I dont have a clue what you're talking about with the shield and all21:01
deskwizardlatest is 4.12.1, installing.21:04
deskwizardmaybe noob was an understatement here... :P21:05
deskwizardlove the long list of missing modules for nouveau lol21:06
deskwizardlets see if it bites me in the ass21:06
deskwizardstill same (or similar) ACPI error message on boot, didn't have time to read21:08
deskwizarderrors: https://pastebin.com/212LVqhU21:13
deskwizardalso, I never thought updating the kernel could be so easy lol21:14
deskwizardI'll be back in 10-15min see if it works21:15
Lasermank21:15
Tombie75hello everyone22:08
Tombie75any new ideas for fresh mate installation ?22:09
Tombie75just installing dual boot with windows 722:09
Tombie75i am gonna try aptik software restore22:09
Tombie75can i get dvb-c driver for " Avermedia H323" ?22:11
Tombie75ok, i go now22:13
alanbHi, on my Raspberry Pi 3 B I would like to disable graphical but the graphical command was not found.  Is it available to download from somewhere?  Thanks!22:53
deskwizard(I'm not dead, doing fresh install, life happened in the meantime)23:15
deskwizardtbh at some point i'll just grow tired of hunting and I'll just rig something up like I usually do in my life lol23:15
deskwizardmkay, fresh install, all updates + kernel 4.12.1 lets see what happens (lets be honest here, we all know what'll happen... fuckall. lol)23:18
deskwizard.... guess what... hehehe23:58
deskwizardyeah, still no sleep, that poor thing is going to get tired getting no sleep like that23:58

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