[01:41] <ooboontoooonoob> hello is this working?
[01:41] <ooboontoooonoob> I need advice if thats at all possible
[01:42] <ooboontoooonoob> can anyone experienced in ubuntu help me please?
[01:43] <ooboontoooonoob> i'm new to linux & just installed 16.04 :LTS (64bit)
[01:45] <ooboontoooonoob> no worries - be back later. byeeee
[07:03] <mate|Ganesh> Hello guys, i am new to linux , and i am using mate as my first distro
[07:04] <mate|Ganesh> but i have problem installing apps in my mate
[07:05] <mate|Ganesh> its giving "NO PUBLIC KEY FOUND ERROR" can anyone help me how to fix it?
[11:25] <tmathieu> bonjour, j'ai besoin d'aide pour interpréter dmidecode -t memory
[11:26] <tmathieu> hi, I'm looking for help to answer dmidecode -t memory
[11:27] <tmathieu> j'ai une vielle carte mère limitée à 4go de ram et dmidecode donne la capacité à 16go
[11:28] <alkisg> !en
[11:28] <alkisg> !fr
[13:39] <harvey_> k
[13:40] <Laserman> Aloha
[13:41] <harvey_> hi sorry hit k by mistake
[13:42] <harvey_> ☕
[13:44] <Laserman> k
[13:46] <harvey_> tho I do have a question. If I hit F12 key it drops down a terminal. Where is that configured? I need to assign that to a different key.
[13:46] <harvey_> 16.04
[13:49] <alkisg> harvey_: google for ubuntu-mate tilda
[13:49] <alkisg> That's the name of the program
[13:50] <harvey_> thanks.. i'll just read the man page then ;-)
[13:50] <Laserman> !info tilda
[13:51] <Laserman> harvey_, dont you just want to remap that key ?
[13:53] <Laserman> There are options in the System Settings/Keyboard/Layout/Options
[13:54] <harvey_> hmm tilda is F2 not F12 and seems to be different (tho very similar)
[13:55] <harvey_> F12 is not assigned anywhere that I can see, I'll look again
[14:01] <alkisg> harvey_: tidla is f12, see the comments there on how to change it: https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/tilda-in-ubuntu-mate-vivid-vervet/
[14:01] <alkisg> First google hit...
[14:02] <alkisg> $ grep F12 ~/.config/tilda/config_0
[14:02] <alkisg> key = "F12"
[14:02] <harvey_> I read the man page. Also I have purged tilda from the system and F2 has no tilda now. But F12 is still a thing. So I still have my problem even with tilda gone.
[14:04] <alkisg> harvey_: you purged tilda. Did you *stop* tilda?
[14:04] <alkisg> ps aux|grep tidla
[14:04] <harvey_> that's probably it :)
[14:05] <alkisg> F2 doesn't run tidla, btw
[14:08] <harvey_> what is F2 then?
[14:08] <harvey_> I just did tilda --config  as per the man page to get F2
[14:09] <alkisg> If you manually changed that, then sure
[14:09] <harvey_> anyways stopping tilda ffixed my issue thanks
[14:10] <alkisg> grep F2 ~/.config/tilda/config_0 returns nothing for me, while F12 does return the assigned key
[14:10] <alkisg> np
[14:10] <harvey_> Not I looks the the config wizars and so what is is. I did not change it since F12 was my problem
[14:10] <harvey_> when you hit F2 what do you get?
[14:13] <harvey_> There really shouldn't be a program universally grabbing the F12 key (or any key) that ISN"T configured in the system / keyboard / shortcut area where all the other system wide shortcut keys are
[14:14] <alkisg> I've removed tilda on installation, so I don't get anything with F2 or F12
[14:15] <alkisg> I always have a terminal open, so having an additional one with F12 that just takes a whole lot of RAM and breaks a key, isn't a benefit to me
[14:15] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: ^ :)
[14:15] <harvey_> right F2 vanished when I removed it too.
[14:15] <alkisg> I'm not so sure people like tilda... especially having it preactivated...
[14:18] <harvey_> tidla is required by mate core too, crazy. totally extraneous program. But still I would have been fine with it if I could program the activation shortcut key in the same place I set ALL the other keyboard shortcut keys. Seems like a no brainer. Oh well.
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> alkisg Tilda is not activated by default in Ubuntu MATE 16.10 and upwards. You can enable it via MATE Tweak instead.
[14:43] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: cool, thank you
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> np
[14:43]  * alkisg wishes all those nice changes were automatically backported to 16.04 :D
[14:50] <f76> An Ubuntu MATE machine that usually works with my HP scanner has just decided not to work when I turned it on this morning. I get this error https://imgur.com/a/BjCAH Is anyone available to help?
[14:50] <f76> It's just an HP usb scanner
[14:53] <ouroumov__> f76, what version of Ubuntu MATE are you using?
[14:54] <f76> 16.04
[14:55] <f76> I'm just using SimpleScan, but it's worked hundreds of times before. I just turn it on and get that mess.
[14:56] <f76> I've tried upgrading and restarting, but to no success. I've tried the scanner on another Ubuntu MATE machine and even that works.
[14:56] <ouroumov__> f76, Connected through USB, so might be related to tlp: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-16-04-lts-common-problems-known-bugs-workarounds/8340 point #8
[14:58] <f76> i'll try that
[15:02] <f76> nop no luck
[15:03] <Laserman> update your kernel
[15:03] <f76> I did that Laserman
[15:03] <Laserman> should be on 4.10
[15:04] <f76> It also worked on the older kernal though Laserman
[15:05] <Laserman> I saw that.. but we dont know what changed.. so  I always start with new kernel then inxi and look at your sources and drivers
[15:05] <ouroumov__> f76, you've not made modifications of your firewall settings?
[15:05] <f76> Firewall is completely off ouroumov__
[15:05] <f76> Always has been
[15:08] <f76> I don't have a clue what to do, Ubuntu MATE has never let me down like this before.
[15:09] <ouroumov__> I don't want to sound like a Windows support crew, but have you tried rebooting?
[15:10] <f76> yes
[15:10] <f76> It seems like we're all out of ideas
[15:10] <ouroumov__> I was thinking the driver might suffer from instability
[15:10] <f76> it's a Canon LiDE 110
[15:11] <Laserman> delete and re add it
[15:11] <f76> i see a post from 2013 that it was support from before 2011, so it's hardly exotic hardware
[15:11] <ouroumov__> Are the other Ubuntu MATE machines you've tried updated?
[15:13] <alkisg> (05:50:52 μμ) f76: It's just an HP usb scanner
[15:13] <alkisg> (06:10:27 μμ) f76: it's a Canon LiDE 110
[15:13] <alkisg> HP or Canon?!
[15:13] <alkisg> What's the output of `scanimage -L` ?
[15:15] <f76> yes ouroumov__
[15:15] <f76> I can't find out how to remove the scanner, it seems to be like plug and play
[15:15] <ouroumov__> f76 so it's unlikely to be a regression
[15:17] <f76> scanimage -L it tells me it's a flatbed scanner
[15:22] <alkisg> Try scanning with scanimage, for example, scanimage > /tmp/image.pnm
[15:22] <alkisg> See if it does scan, or if it produces an error
[15:24] <alkisg> Also, copy/pasting terminal output is better, for example we don't know yet if your scanner is HP or Canon
[15:26] <f76> it scans, but just outputs those vertical lines in an image file
[15:29] <alkisg> What is your scanner model?
[15:30] <f76> alkisg: Canon LiDE 110
[15:30] <alkisg> Why are you using hplip for a canon scanner?
[15:31] <f76> I'm not, I use that for the printer
[15:31] <alkisg> Then why did you paste the "hplip error" for us to see?
[15:32] <alkisg> https://imgur.com/a/BjCAH
[15:32] <f76> that's the error that came up when i tried to scan
[15:32] <alkisg> Did the scanner issue start when you installed hplip?
[15:32] <f76> no, just today
[15:32] <alkisg> Can you put your /var/log/apt/history.log to pastebin?
[15:33] <f76> that would be a bit tricky, gimmi a sec
[15:34] <alkisg> Usually it's just `cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999`
[15:37] <f76> yeah i gotta find a usb so i can transfur the info accross
[15:38] <alkisg> The target computer has no net?
[15:42] <f76> yes, but this machines up a flight of stairs
[15:42] <f76> okay https://pastebin.com/f7r56aYW
[15:44] <alkisg> As you can see, there are a lot of packages that were upgraded today
[15:44] <alkisg> For starters, try booting with the older kernel, it should still be available in the grub menu
[15:44] <f76> yup but i upgraded after i started having problems
[15:45] <alkisg> Then let's look at history.log.1, the previous one
[15:45] <f76> ugh really?!
[15:45] <alkisg> Yes, checking which packages you upgraded right before the issue happened is a good start to troubleshoot your issue
[15:46] <alkisg> Checking the packages that you upgraded after the issue doesn't help much.
[15:46] <f76> but it's worked since the last upgrade
[15:46] <alkisg> Do you also include security upgrades that happen automatically and that you don't know about them?
[15:47] <f76> I'm getting a file not found for history.1
[15:49] <alkisg> history.log.1.gz
[15:49] <alkisg> zcat /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz | nc termbin.com
[15:53] <f76> It says, "This is nc from the netcat-openbsd package. An alternative nv is available in the netcat-traditional package.
[15:54] <f76> What sucks is that owner of the scanner/computer has been let down by Linux a few times before. I'm not going to hear the end of this.
[15:56] <alkisg> Noone here maintains scanner drivers, so I'm guessing noone here will be sad that he left linux
[15:56] <alkisg> But if we can help, sure
[15:56] <f76> I'll be sad
[15:56] <alkisg> ls -l /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz => does that say the file is empty?
[15:57] <alkisg> You can use ssh to access the remote computer without walking there every time
[15:57] <f76> I can but I'd honestly thought we'd have figured this out by now.
[15:58] <alkisg> You can try joining a channel that works with scanner issues, instead of a desktop environment, if you want more specialized support
[15:58] <alkisg> Until now, you haven't even told us what changed...
[16:00] <f76> it says there's a file. Sorry have I ommited some info?
[16:02] <alkisg> When something works and the next day it doesn't work, something happened between those days
[16:02] <alkisg> The apt history search is one of the things that might have changed between those days
[16:02] <f76> Yeah, that's puzzled me too. But nothing has changed from when it work to when it didn't. Well, to  my knowledge.
[16:03] <alkisg> Right, so one thing that could have changed without you knowing about it, is apt package security updates
[16:03] <alkisg> And you'd find them in those logs
[16:03] <alkisg> But sorry, I don't have the time to tell you how to look into .gz files, if zcat didn't work there..
[16:04] <alkisg> The point of that search is to see if there was a package update that you didn't know about, and that could have caused the regression
[16:04] <f76> Could there be an upgrade I don't know about? I'm the only one with the root password.
[16:04] <alkisg> if that's not the case, then other methods of troubleshooting would be in order. E.g. try with a new user, try from a live cd etc
[16:04] <alkisg> Yes, security updates happen automatically on boot
[16:04] <alkisg> With the apt-daily task
[16:10] <f76> Hang on. So My machine;'s downloading and installing updates completly under the radar?
[16:11] <alkisg> Yes
[16:11] <f76> and that can sometimes cause breakages?
[16:11] <alkisg> Security updates only, so that you're automatically more secure even if you've been afk for a lot of days
[16:12] <alkisg> All code can cause regressions. Updates are no exception. They are of course checked, but bad things can always happen.
[16:12] <f76> Is there a reason the end user is not told?
[16:15] <alkisg> I'm sure it's documented in the ubuntu sites and changelogs etc
[16:15] <alkisg> Personally I hate it that there's no user indicator for that
[16:15] <alkisg> E.g. I boot ubuntu, then I try to run `apt-get dist-upgade`, and it says it's locked by another process
[16:16] <alkisg> ..and then I remember apt-daily and start to swear... :D
[16:16] <f76> I would have thought something like that would be an opt-in.
[16:16] <alkisg> I don't mind that it's opt-out. But it should have visible feedback before it was released that way.
[16:17] <alkisg> Both for console apt-get dist-upgrade, and for a GUI indicator in the panel or somewhere
[16:17] <f76> Yeah, I agree.
[16:17] <f76> I need to put this down for another time, I'll try a fresh install later. But thank you so much for sticking with me and helping me. Sorry I was a pain, lol.
[16:17] <alkisg> Now it can get stuck for days, due to ubuntu server issues with downloading packages, and users would need to know how to manually kill background apt tasks
[16:17] <alkisg> np
[16:47] <harvey_> right now I have to do modprobe snd-pcsp after every reboot, is there a way to get this module to load automagically?
[16:48] <harvey_> I know not really a desktop question.
[16:58] <harvey_> apparently I just gotta stick it it /etc/modules :) (hopefully that's all there is to it)
[17:01] <deskwizard> o/ howdy
[17:02] <deskwizard> ouroumov: let me know if you have a sec and remember the weird icon issue I had a while back
[17:02] <deskwizard> I doubt you do but hey, worth asking :P
[17:13] <deskwizard> *sigh* anyhow... also looking for a way of having finer volume steps, found a command that is supposed to work to no avail. that's the one, the page I found it on from stackoverflow mentions it working in 16.04 but not for me. cmd -> dconf write /org/mate/settings-daemon/plugins/media-keys/volume-step <NUM>
[17:14] <deskwizard> anyone have any idea or somewhere to point me to, I,d appreciate greatly
[17:17] <deskwizard> I mean, the command runs fine, it returns the value I set if I read, but the slider is still at the default of 5%
[17:22] <deskwizard> I'll be around :)
[17:26] <harvey_> seems to work on my old laptop, deskwizard
[17:28] <harvey_> i changed it to 40 and hitting it 3 times would go from full to no volume
[17:29] <harvey_> and then making it 1 changes it the other way (mine started on 6)
[17:36] <deskwizard> yep, it indeed works, I'm just an idiot that was using my mouse on the slider... the media-keys should have been a clue there hehehe
[17:36] <deskwizard> thanks for trying it out, I appreciate it
[17:37] <deskwizard> which I consider good enough :) *checks box*
[17:38] <deskwizard> aight, on to the next thing, I'll bbl when I'm stuck hehehe
[18:15] <harvey_> np :)
[19:06] <ubuntu-mate_> Anyone else have to change the DNS settings for their connection to work? (curious if it's my side)
[19:06] <ubuntu-mate_> (running live right now)
[19:06] <ubuntu-mate_> Changing DNS settings on the local, live system.
[19:07] <ubuntu-mate_> So far I'm enjoying the layout. I've been missing it.
[19:40] <geniek> lol
[19:40] <harvey_> I think my dns has worked out of the box
[19:40] <geniek> I clicked Install Ubuntu Mate
[19:40] <geniek> and started Firefox
[19:57] <ubuntu-mate_> Word. Probably on my side.
[20:35] <DarkPsydeLord> once i clicked on install mate
[20:35] <DarkPsydeLord> it was a good day
[20:36] <deskwizard> yep, that's usually how it goes
[20:36] <deskwizard> ;)
[20:36] <DarkPsydeLord> :D
[20:36] <deskwizard> once I fixed my ACPI issues, it'll be all dandy
[20:37] <DarkPsydeLord> whats wrong with your acpi
[20:37] <DarkPsydeLord> ?
[20:38] <mate|79773> Hp Drucker installieren
[20:38] <deskwizard> DarkPsydeLord: doesn't sleep by itself, investigating atm
[20:41] <DarkPsydeLord> are you sure that isnt bios relevant?
[20:41] <deskwizard> first thing I went throught
[20:42] <deskwizard> I'll probably clear just in case
[20:42] <DarkPsydeLord> did you boot using acpi=on parameter?
[20:45] <DarkPsydeLord> not sure if someone can confirm but im pretty sure theres a parameter used by xorg.conf to manage the sleep time
[20:47] <deskwizard> give me a moment, damn noob here :P
[20:47] <DarkPsydeLord> OH!
[20:48] <DarkPsydeLord> then you should give some of the issues your are running into and if i know how to fix it will help in other case any other member will
[20:49] <deskwizard> I will, I just want to see if I can solve it or at least have some relevant imformation
[20:49] <deskwizard> I'm a second level noob :P
[20:51] <DarkPsydeLord> awesome :D thats how i learned back to the glorious days of ubuntu 4.10
[20:51] <DarkPsydeLord> i think i still have my warty warthog cd around
[20:51] <deskwizard> hehehehe
[20:51] <Laserman> Update your kernel
[20:52] <Laserman> get latest version of 4.10
[20:53] <DarkPsydeLord> stable version of the kernel is at 4.12 isnt it?
[20:54] <Laserman> Use Update Manager (shield icon lower right),  View in menu bar, Linux kernels, Select 4.10 in left window then latest revision in right window and install it, then reboot  If you have a problem booting up, return to old from grub menu using left shift on boot/power up
[20:54] <Laserman> also do other updates that are in there
[20:58] <Laserman> !xfburn
[21:00] <deskwizard> well 4.10 and I can see ACPI errors on boot
[21:00] <deskwizard> which log file would those be in ?
[21:01] <deskwizard> Laserman: sorry, but I dont have a clue what you're talking about with the shield and all
[21:04] <deskwizard> latest is 4.12.1, installing.
[21:05] <deskwizard> maybe noob was an understatement here... :P
[21:06] <deskwizard> love the long list of missing modules for nouveau lol
[21:06] <deskwizard> lets see if it bites me in the ass
[21:08] <deskwizard> still same (or similar) ACPI error message on boot, didn't have time to read
[21:13] <deskwizard> errors: https://pastebin.com/212LVqhU
[21:14] <deskwizard> also, I never thought updating the kernel could be so easy lol
[21:15] <deskwizard> I'll be back in 10-15min see if it works
[21:15] <Laserman> k
[22:08] <Tombie75> hello everyone
[22:09] <Tombie75> any new ideas for fresh mate installation ?
[22:09] <Tombie75> just installing dual boot with windows 7
[22:09] <Tombie75> i am gonna try aptik software restore
[22:11] <Tombie75> can i get dvb-c driver for " Avermedia H323" ?
[22:13] <Tombie75> ok, i go now
[22:53] <alanb> Hi, on my Raspberry Pi 3 B I would like to disable graphical but the graphical command was not found.  Is it available to download from somewhere?  Thanks!
[23:15] <deskwizard> (I'm not dead, doing fresh install, life happened in the meantime)
[23:15] <deskwizard> tbh at some point i'll just grow tired of hunting and I'll just rig something up like I usually do in my life lol
[23:18] <deskwizard> mkay, fresh install, all updates + kernel 4.12.1 lets see what happens (lets be honest here, we all know what'll happen... fuckall. lol)
[23:58] <deskwizard> .... guess what... hehehe
[23:58] <deskwizard> yeah, still no sleep, that poor thing is going to get tired getting no sleep like that